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Does absolute truth exist?

>> No.19382435

The question doesn’t even make sense, but the answer is no.

>> No.19382440

>>19382427
Shitty question.

>> No.19382447

1+1=2

>> No.19382448

>>19382427
Facts exist.

>> No.19382453

>>19382427
The fact that absolute truth doesn't exist is an absolute truth, so yes

>> No.19382477

>>19382427
Perhaps. Our ability to access it or be certain we have obtained it is another question.

>> No.19382536

>>19382435
>>19382440
>>19382453
Why does it not exist?

>> No.19382548

>>19382427
consciousness is the only think that we know for sure exists, the material world around us, including butterfag's 'facts' are just interpretation, perspective or linguistic contrivances.

>> No.19382554

>>19382477
Then let me ask you this is absolute certainty necessary for existence

>> No.19382561

>>19382427
>Does absolute truth exist?
u mean the existence of everlasting patterns my nigga?

>> No.19382567

>>19382548
And can this truth lead us to absolute truth

>> No.19382569
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>>19382453
> Absolute truth doesn't exist
> *chad snickering* heh, sounds like a claim of absolute truth to me, are you sure about that kiddo?
Holy based, absolute truth deniers BTFO how do we keep winning like this truth-chads?

>> No.19382594

>>19382567
Yes through metaphysics. There are many different religions, and they can all lead to this enlightenment. The problem is; structurally, they are limited by there cultural integration, obvious examples such as: Islam, christianity, Hinduism etc. Now, materialism has subsumed this entire dialectic, the goal is one technological machine, there is no room for metaphysics and by its nature it must be destroyed or subverted.

>> No.19382607

>>19382427
Yes. God is an absolute necessity. His beingness has to be true and absolute, i.e., independent of human cognition and physical reality. These transient "facts" buttertranny believes exist are neither absolute nor true relative to the endless beingness of God.

>> No.19382620

>>19382607
>are neither absolute nor true relative to the endless beingness of God.
the speed of light in vacuum?the meta truth of godel's theorems?

>> No.19382661

>>19382620
Contingent on the existence of physical reality, and hence not absolute. Again, absolute-ness is a quality that exists outside your cognizance of it, not something that is perceived as absolute by you. Physical reality can simply not constitute a truth absolute other than its creation.

>> No.19382790

>>19382661
So how would you describe god then?

>> No.19382801

>>19382620
What do you mean by
>the meta truth of godel's theorems?

>> No.19382814

>>19382801
the constant need to create new systems so as to make up for the inconsistencies in a given system.

>> No.19382819

>>19382594
Seeing as religions are but systems of guidance towards the truth. How do you know which of these are actually true. How would one need to judge these systems to know they are the way towards the truth

>> No.19382831

>>19382814
So any and al systems we humans create is incomplete

>> No.19382835

>>19382831
ha,for now yes i guess.

>> No.19382959

>>19382835
But we ourselves exist in a system whatever it looks like is this system complete or not?

>> No.19382972

>>19382427
Yes. Everyone who thinks otherwise is completely useless.

>> No.19382993

>>19382548
Why does something being interpretative entail that that theres no truth? On what do you base the idea that interpretations are all equally valid? Is that an absolute truth?

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>>19382427
No. It absolutely does not exist!

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>>19382594
>and they can all lead to this enlightenment

>> No.19383028

>>19383001
How do you know which one leads to the truth?

>> No.19383057

the only universal truth i can think of is "theres an exception to every rule"

>> No.19383066

>>19382448
I see someone hasn't read Poincare.

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>>19383028
The one which doesn't lead you to worship creation (essentially demons) and gives you personal communion with the Lord, namely Orthodoxy.

>> No.19383092

Yes, and anyone who says otherwise is a jew.

>> No.19383093

Not if you want reliable knowledge. In that case you have to assume that you could always be wrong, and actively seek out cases in which you're completely wrong. If you can't fibd any of those, there's probably something to what you believe to be true, but this will never be absolutely true

>> No.19383098

>>19383078
Why is it orthodoxy because it gives personal communion with the lord but don't the other religions do that to

>> No.19383113

>>19383098
No, they give communion with demons, the non-Christian religions very explicitly so. Even sects of Orthodoxy end up doing this since they try to import their false understanding of God into the faith, which clouds and blackens their hearts, making them very susceptible to demon worship. Read Fr. Seraphim's book.

>> No.19383125

>>19382790
An ontological, logical, and metaphysical necessity.

>> No.19383139

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as truth, is in fact, projected truth, which is not operating onto itself, but is rather another component of a fully functionating Platonic system made useful by utilities and components derived from Platonic world projected onto our world.

>> No.19383144

>>19382790
The Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

>> No.19383148

>>19383113
Who is god according to orthodoxy

>> No.19383164

>>19383139
I have not read plato. But based on your answer absolute truth does or does not exist or do you mean to say that it is arbitrary. Nothing but a creation of my intellect.

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>>19383148
See >>19383144.
He is the Living God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

>> No.19383172

>>19383144
Why is it relevant to describe them in such a way does it serve to explain a function?

>> No.19383178

>>19383125
Why is it neccesary what is it about god that makes him neccesary

>> No.19383193

>>19383172
Yes, it's the function that deism and monism is false, that God is personal. If you do not pray to the Father, Son and Holy Spirit you are already in falsehood. We can describe also attributes of them if we wish, it is done in Holy Scripture and the church fathers.

>> No.19383202

>>19383139
Got any good book recommendation for plato?

>> No.19383209

>>19383193
But why say father, son and holy spirit rather than Just god?

>> No.19383222

>>19383209
You can say God too. It is just that the term "God" can refer to multiple things, like the divine essence, like attributes (God is love) or to any of the three persons of the Holy Trinity. You can't pray to the former as essence or attribute does not act, so we do pray and glorify the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, since there is no true God outside of the Holy Trinity.

>> No.19383230

>>19383164
the idea in brief is that there exists a world with its own rules indepentent of your will, intelect, existance, whatever. This world is hidden for if you obtained all its rules you would be able to play in "Gods mode".
What you're getting instead is , shadows on a wall of Platos cave. You are condemned never to reveal truth however if you are shrewd, you might see quite a lot and thus improve your life.

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>>19383230
>if you obtained all its rules you would be able to play in "Gods mode".
So was he the ultimate platonist?

>> No.19383406

>>19383222
>no true god outside of the holy trinity

What does this mean? Is god 3 separate things

>> No.19383417

>>19383230
Do you mean to say that we are incapable of grasping the absolute truth? But only know it exists

>> No.19383440

>>19383406
Distinct, but not separated and all with the same divine glory and power. They aren't physical/material so separation isn't applicable. All indwell each other, Jesus says the Father is in Him.
>Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves.

>> No.19383452

>>19383230
>>19383417
So we are only capable of grasping it's attributes not it's essence

>> No.19383455

>>19383417
>>19383452
The platonist believe creation is divine, so you are already "god".

>> No.19383809

The only absolute truth is that other absolute truths do not exist. Just like the only thing that never changes is that things are always going to change.