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>For me Christianity has not yet arrived, and I am like the early Christians, awaiting Christ's return.
What did he mean by this?

>> No.19374819

>>19373984
Shut the fuck up, obsessive Wagnerite.

>> No.19375049

>>19373984
I think the more interesting and encapsulating Wagner quote on religion is "I do not believe in God but in godliness"

>> No.19376001

>>19373984
Loyal to Christ and Wagner knows Christ will return

>> No.19376011

>>19373984
I wouldn‘t worry about it. His descent into Christianity is a pretty clear mark of his mind and body failing him in his last years.

>> No.19376357

Hey Wagnerfag, how should I watch Der Nibelungen?

Is there a good version on youtube or a torrent I can get that has english subtitles? Should I watch one whole opera at a time or just watch for an hour or two like a tv miniseries?

>> No.19376545

>>19376357
Only good filmed version is the Jahrhundertring, but it wont make any sense without knowing the original setting/stage directions because it's reggietheatre.

Watching a whole opera will be 'the next thing to suicide' for the first time, unless you're a mature Wagnerian. So break it into acts over three nights (excluding Rheingold and Hollander which are one act).

>> No.19376554

>>19376357
The 1990 Levine Met production is the best and most traditional on film.

>> No.19376563

>>19376554
It claims to be traditional but the outfits and sets are tacky.

>> No.19376572

>>19376563
I agree. Still, it's the best there is.

>> No.19376594

>>19376572
It can't really compare with the conducting, singing or visual direction of the Boulez Ring, even if it isn't traditional.

It's a tragedy none of Wieland's productions were filmed with the same standards.

>> No.19377053

>>19373984
It means he declines the Catholic or Protestant interpretation and tradition and simply accepts Christ at face value in a simple way awaits his imminent arrival and doesn’t feel the need for the ceremony or other stuff of the current religious institutions.

He’s just a dude who believes in Christ simple as

>> No.19377173

>>19376011
Wrong, it was just a joke.

>> No.19377221
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19377221

>>19376545
I watched the centenary ring over the course of a week - one full part every other evening. It was my first time watching anything Wagner and I can only recommend it.

>> No.19377237

>>19376594
Donald McIntyre and Gwyneth Jones' Wotan and Brünnhilde were a fantastic match. I challenge anyone to find a production of the Ring Cycle in which Wotan is able to physically carry his Brünnhilde around on stage.

>> No.19377251

>>19377237
McIntyre was great, Jones sucked.

>> No.19377279

>>19377251
Being physically fit for the role of Wotan's daughter is an achievement in itself for a soprano. Imagine McIntyre trying to lift Birgit Nilsson.

>> No.19377344

>>19377279
Kirsten Flagstad was perfect.