Orthodoxy Thread

[Anonymous No.19360670]

A question for the Orthodox anons on this board — do you know any good books that introduce one to the Divine Liturgy? This morning I attended my first Divine Liturgy as a inquirer and found it to be very beautiful and different from anything I was familiar with, but at times I think the greater significance or order of things was lost on me. Luckily it was all in English though. Any suggestions would be most welcome.

General Orthodoxy thread too

[Anonymous No.19360786]

>Divine Liturgy
Based

[Anonymous No.19360887]

>>19360670
>tfw gotten into orthodoxy and was looking for a church to attend
>only ortho church near me is Syrian
I don't feel kindship to browns, too large ancestral and cultural differences for me to bother integrate into. Wouldn't mind a slavic one (I'm nordic)

[Anonymous No.19360952]

>>19360887
The main issue is that the culture is so different and that the language difference ruins it for me. It was great to attend this this morning and to be able to understand what was being said and all that, plus they were very welcoming and I had old ladies giving me advice and some younger men walking up to greet me. Sadly I have heard many of the more ethnic ones are far more insular. Hopefully you are able to find a good church before long. Right after leaving I wasn’t sure what to think but I think it was a really good experience, it felt very reverent and different from my Protestant experiences as a child

[Anonymous No.19360978]

I'm aware that Orthodoxy extends far beyond observed aesthetics but as a culture it has real beauty - I've been obsessing over Orthodox choral works and octavism - this channel's remarkable
https://youtube.com/c/TheOktavismChannel

[Anonymous No.19361111]

>>19360978
This channel is great

[Anonymous No.19361197]

>>19360670
Hopko’s stuff is probably the best overview. All of these pages are relevant.
https://www.oca.org/orthodoxy/the-orthodox-faith/worship/the-divine-liturgy

[Anonymous No.19361717]

>>19360887
surely there's a romanian one near you?

[Anonymous No.19361734]

>>19360887
So you admit that your faith isn't genuine.

[Anonymous No.19361735]

The only churches near me are Antiochan, is there a practical difference between them and OCA or ROCOR? Everything else is a two hour drive at least.

[Anonymous No.19361781]

>>19360887
We don’t want /pol/ fags shitting up the One Holy Apostolic Church anyway

[Anonymous No.19361822]

>>19360887
>I don't feel kindship to browns
Christ was Syrian.

[Anonymous No.19361855]

Thoughts of Fr. Seraph Rose? Spec. his aerial tollhouses

[Anonymous No.19361926]

>>19361855
Aren't aerial tollhouses and purgatory close to the same thing anyway?

[Anonymous No.19361953]

>>19360887
White trashionalists don't belong anywhere near an Orthodox church, or any church for that matter. Racial idolatry is a sin.

[Anonymous No.19361955]

>>19361855
Aerial toll-houses are completely Patristic from what I have read and seen in the Desert Fathers, and St. Athanasius’ biography of St. Anthony, where he sees something remarkably similar. There are numerous other cases that people typically point to as well regarding the toll-house teaching.

Regarding Fr. Seraphim Rose in particular, I pray that he shall get glorification into sainthood in good time. He was instrumental in me coming to Orthodoxy, and his works on nihilism, evolution and similar topics are great and pertinent reads.

[Anonymous No.19361966]

>>19361953
Wignats aren’t ‘traditionalist’ in any sense, let’s be real. Their ideology is a product of the 19th century and is founded on crass materialism and Satanic ideas like eugenics, Social Darwinism, etc.

[Anonymous No.19362120]

>>19361855
I was surprised to see Rose quoted in one of the pamphlets I got at the Divine Liturgy today. It was actually from his book on the soul at death, which is the controversial book from my understanding of matters.

[Anonymous No.19362125]

>>19360887
if you are so worried about muh ancestors and cultural history then why are you looking at orthodoxy?

[Anonymous No.19362134]

>>19361926
Yes and no. In as much as they're a whacky pseudo-heresy that has absolutely nothing to do with the Bible and is a figment of the church, yes. The key difference being that Purgatory is something that Yahweh (or Jesus, or the Holy Spirit, or any of a number of Angels, or Mary, or the Green Man, or Fairies, or Jack Frost, or... Really anything that is supra-human) throws you into after death to work off your sins. Aerial Tollhouses are something that the church sets up that you have to pay the church to let you through. Whereas Purgatory is ultimately beyond man, the Aerial Tollhouses are absolutely human.

It's the sort of zany and whacky orientalism that Rose was really into, that made (and still makes, because LARPers are still in love with them) actual Russians cringe. It's so parochial, so folksy!

[Anonymous No.19362137]

>>19360670
>Orthodox
Run far far away. You have no idea what you are getting yourself into.

[Anonymous No.19362162]

>>19362137
Oh? Humor me

[Anonymous No.19362164]

>>19361855
The unofficial patron saint of orthoprots but a pretty good gateway to orthodoxy even if the people who obsess over him are unbearable . >>19361855

[Anonymous No.19362176]

>>19362137
Why? I have been attending a Russian Orthodox Church for 2 months as a cathecumen and it's great so far, I love talking to the old russian ladies, made some cool friends and I am very slowly learning russian bit by bit. Genuinely curious why you think this might be a bad idea.

[Anonymous No.19362180]

>>19362176
It’s going to be some Prot sperging about icons, Mary or ‘paganism’

[Anonymous No.19362271]

>>19360670
The 1962 Missal c;

May our Lord guide us by the grace of the Spirit that we might again become one as the Father and the Son and Holy Spirit are.

[Anonymous No.19362283]

>>19362162
>>19362176
I thought is was all good, hell I was even a Russian Orthodox inquirer a week from being a catechumen before leaving. They ask you to do so much shit like fasting, praying, reading, vespers, etc, I literally went insane. I thought I was a saint in the making and it was the best feeling of my life. I left a couple months later after losing all my faith and my life has been complete hell ever since. You don't want to risk this happening to you, I wouldn't wish this on my worse enemy, a fate far worse than death.

[Anonymous No.19362304]

>>19362283
I dunno man, sounds more like there's some personal issues you aren't telling us about rather than a problem with the Church.

[Anonymous No.19362313]

>>19362283
Huh, you went all the way from the catechumen path for months if not years on end, why it took you so much time to discover this? That's religion for you, I don't know what you were looking for, and the thing is, nobody is forcing you to do these things, I am starting to pray and read the bible bit by bit, my priest adviced me to wait until I developed my faith
a lot more before starting to fast in order to not do it hypocritically in a mechanical fashion. I know I will have to put a lot of work and it is much better than laying in my room doing fuck all and masturbating.

[Anonymous No.19362318]

>>19362283
>They ask you to do so much shit like fasting, praying, reading, vespers, etc
Well, yeah, what did you expect though?

[Anonymous No.19362356]

>>19362304
Yeah but the Church helped to trigger my psychotic mania episode.

>>19362313
>>19362318
I thought that going all the way would help me have more faith but I never was really able to. It seems like a beautiful religion that makes life worth living and much less painful if you believe it, too bad I can't have that.

[Anonymous No.19362506]

>>19362356
It sounds like it might have been good to pace yourself a bit more rather than trying to be a perfected saint from the get-go

[Anonymous No.19362809]

>>19362506
The priest hated that I wasn't pious enough he kept saying calling out my sins at the sermons, especially when I talked to him within the week.

[Anonymous No.19363078]

>>19360670
>idolatry is a sin
>fills ceiling with depictions of biblical figures
>makes statues of jesus and mary
>literally looks like a hindu temple

[Anonymous No.19363173]

Satanic pagans. The "liturgical calendar" even begins and ends with Mary despite Christ being the Alpha and Omega. We know that Christ is the Alpha and Omega from the book of Revelation. Guess what the one and only book of the New Testament that doesn't get read aloud in "church" is? Guess what that book even outright states within itself? I'll give you a hint...it blesses those who read it aloud and those who hear it being read...

Satanic pagans.

"we swear the Apostles told us that Mary was born without sin and never had sex after Jesus was born and ascended into heaven just like Jesus, but none of that made it into the Bible, they just told us and we remembered".

Satanic pagans.

[Anonymous No.19364597]

>>19363078
>>19363173
Daily reminder that you are not part of a real church

[Anonymous No.19364619]

>>19361966
Based. Tradtardism is just that.

[Anonymous No.19365277]

>>19363173
>and ascended into heaven just like Jesus
That’s a cucktholic belief

[Anonymous No.19365537]

>>19365277
https://orthodoxwiki.org/Dormition

>The Feast of the Dormition, which is also sometimes called the Assumption, commemorates the death, resurrection and glorification of Christ's mother. It proclaims that Mary has been "assumed" by God into the heavenly kingdom of Christ in the fullness of her spiritual and bodily existence.

[Anonymous No.19365722]

>>19365537
That’s still different from the Cucktholic belief, like I said.

[Anonymous No.19366249]

>>19360887
>>19361717
I'm in a similar situation but my problem isn't xenophobia as much as the fact they speak the respective languages. The only things I can say in Russian are "mid", "cyka", and "support pls"

[Anonymous No.19366539]

>>19365722
I said that in "Orthodoxy" she was born without sin, didn't have sex, and was ascended into heaven just like Jesus, and >>19365537 says exactly that.
>>19366249
Blasphemous idolatry in one language is as good as blasphemous idolatry in any other.

[Anonymous No.19366846]

>>19366539
I sincerelly hope whatever denomination you might be in has nothing to do with the divisive rhetoric you are presenting because speaking to fellow christians in this way will only make matters worse. Consider talking to your priest about how to handle these conversations.

[Anonymous No.19366870]

>>19366846
>priest
We have no Levites among us, temple sacrifice of animals ended with Christ. We are now each temples and when we obey the Lord the Holy Ghost indwells us without need for others to make offerings on our behalf. Try to keep up.

[Anonymous No.19366913]

>>19366870
I don't know anything about all that, I just want to live a christian life, participating in Gods love through Christ. I guess I think orthodoxy has the most fully christian experience available, they pay close attention to so many details, you can feel the love for Christ in everything. I don't care much about being "up to date" with religion, but if it's working for you that's cool I guess

[Anonymous No.19367803]

Bumperino

[Anonymous No.19368627]

Serious question: if the gates of Hell won't prevail against Christ's church, how are we meant to take historical events like the fall of Constantinople or the way the USSR infiltrated the ROC?

[Anonymous No.19368671]

>>19368627
Christ's church isn't an earthly institution with a registered trademark.

[Anonymous No.19369582]

>>19362283
>They ask you to do so much shit like fasting, praying, reading, vespers, etc,
Man this is exactly the kind of thing I want. I cannot tolerate that the majority of Christians are only Christian in Church.

[Anonymous No.19369911]

>>19368627
Christ said that those who followed him would have to face suffering and hardship. He never said it would be easy to take up a cross and follow him. Despite all of the martyrs, historical events and hardship, the Church continues to be strong.

[Anonymous No.19370186]

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[Anonymous No.19370195]

>>19370186
>Come to our occult/spiritual server to discuss Orthodox
Keep your occult nonsense far away from Orthodoxy

[Anonymous No.19370497]

>>19362283
>I thought I was a saint in the making
You got proud.
>I left a couple months later after losing all my faith and my life has been complete hell ever since.
And then you fell.

The demons made a plaything out of you. That's what they do.

[Anonymous No.19370661]

>>19362283
Textbook prelest.

[Anonymous No.19371377]

>>19365722
>being antagonistic with catholicism
That's how they get you. We should pray for our brothers.

[Anonymous No.19371437]

I was raised Roman Catholic but haven't practiced in about 4 years, I find myself interested in Eastern Orthodox. can anyone help me or give me a few pointers to becoming apart of the Orthodox?

[Anonymous No.19371634]

>>19371437
As someone who has been inquiring myself, I first looked up Orthodox churches near me. And then I decided on one after perusing their websites and finding one that wasn’t predominantly ethnic-based in any way (mostly for my own benefit), and then I emailed the priest with some questions about guidance. He just told me to come to Divine Liturgy, Vespers and similar events when I was able to, so that is what I did. I’m still in the early stages of the process but I plan to keep showing up and then asking the priest more questions to see how I can procede further and possibly become a catechumen. Basically just start attending a good place and go from there it seems like. Check out some books by people like Father Kallistos Ware too. His book “The Orthodox Way” is great

[Anonymous No.19372178]

>>19362809
Dude that was a delusion the priest wasn't addressing you specifically. You can always go back at your own pace and change your mind, they would welcome you back. I would get help with your mental issues first.

[Anonymous No.19372915]

Where can I get a print copy of Seraphim Rose’s book on evolution and not go broke?

[Anonymous No.19372929]

I went to church today and got my +5 stamina bonus from venerating the toes of st John, but I wasn't able to get my +10 daily luck bonus from getting a blessing from my priest because this friggin babushka was talking to him after liturgy, friggin frick

[Anonymous No.19373580]

>>19372929
You actually wound up with a total of -25 due to not thinking how fortunate the babushka was to be getting some blessing that she probably needed far worse than (You). Had you properly responded you would have been a net +10 (counting the +5 John's toes) which isn't "as good" as the +15 in the short term, but all humble gratitudes for others getting blessings build up into a separate pool and when they reach the secret quota of Cup Runneth Over they exponentially expand with a sum total x 1000 Lord's Leaven.