Guénon refuting modern work and sports

[Anonymous No.19358749]

For that is what is taking place: the modern West cannot tolerate that men should prefer to work less and be content to live on little; as it is only quantity that counts, and as everything that escapes the senses is held to be non existent, it is taken for granted that anyone who is not in a state of agitation and who does not produce much in a material way must be “lazy”. In evidence of this and without speaking of the opinions commonly expressed about Eastern peoples, it is enough to note how the contemplative orders are viewed, even in circles that con sider themselves religious. In such a world, there is no longer any place for intelligence, or anything else that is purely inward, for these are things that can neither be seen nor touched, that can nei ther be counted nor weighed; there is a place only for outward action in all its forms, even those that are the most completely meaningless. For this reason it should not be a matter for surprise that the Anglo-Saxon mania for sport gains ground day by day: the ideal of the modern world is the “human animal” who has developed his muscular strength to the highest pitch; its heroes are athletes, even though they be mere brutes; it is they who awaken popular enthusiasm, and it is their exploits that command the passionate interest of the crowd. A world in which such things are seen has indeed sunk low and seems near its end.

[Anonymous No.19358754]

Neet cope

[Anonymous No.19358755]

>>19358749
who are you working for ?

[Anonymous No.19358777]

>>19358755
The king of the world.

[Anonymous No.19358819]

>>19358749
where is this from?

[Anonymous No.19358848]

>>19358777
checked

[Anonymous No.19358849]

Basado

[Anonymous No.19358860]

>>19358749
Oh hi you're back. You know you can just not lift and get on with it don't you? You don't need an entire narrative from an authority figure to justify your decision to do or not do something that isn't that important or urgent.

[Anonymous No.19358862]

I can't take this retard seriously since I read the passage about him mystifying finance and talking about how money was totally changing in his day because it was now marks on a ledger and not material coins. Sounded like basic goldbug shit covered in a veneer of mysticism.

If he actually knew anything about finance, he'd know it's been mostly ledgers on a page since at least ancient Greece.

The problem with being a mystic is that you then end up pretending to specialist knowledge on all fields and end up sounding like a retard.

BTW, this also sounds like beta cope. Sports were as big a deal in ancient society too and if anything the physical was even more elevated under chivalry. India fucking loves sportsball too. Did this dude not know about cricket?

[Anonymous No.19358877]

>>19358862
Where is it about finance?
And where is the book about Greek ledgers?

[Anonymous No.19358883]

>>19358749

[Anonymous No.19358888]

Guenon is right. Simulacrums of real physical work are the thrashings of a feeble mind.

[Anonymous No.19358892]

>>19358862
Guenon is for neets coping with the fact that they have no value for society, which leads them to pretend like they are the one rejecting it, not the other way around. What did you expect.

[Anonymous No.19358983]

>>19358862
Pseud

[Anonymous No.19358988]

OP here. I could respond to all of the hostile replies and refute them, because unlike you, I've fully read almost all of his books and payed attention to what I was reading. I will not do it because is a wasting of time sine none of you will actually take the effort to seriously study his work. Why am I still posting? Maybe this quotes will open someone's eyes.

[Anonymous No.19358991]

>>19358749
Based, fucking angl*ids ruined modern world.

[Anonymous No.19359031]

>>19358991
Don't think Anglos were first. Based Israel refutes weak theorycels.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscular_Judaism

[Anonymous No.19359066]

>>19358862
his point is that sports have no higher purpose anymore, unlike the Olympics in Greek times. its only purpose now is for entertainment, vanity...or distraction

i disagree though since I think athletes are the most virtuous subgroup of people in our time, they are the most physically and mentally healthy by far.

[Anonymous No.19359076]

>sclerotic cult of the body
Wow just like the Greeks before being militarily refuted by the Romans. Makes me think.

[Anonymous No.19359276]

>>19359066
There's not reason to not lift. You're just lazy.
Try to dl 2 plates and you will feel like a god.

[Anonymous No.19359301]

>>19358877
IDK, only saw it here. Someone posted it as an example of Guenon's genius in predicting crypto, a sad example of people trying to read to events of today into the writings of the past that they hold in mystical esteem. But in fact, the passage actually showed a deep lack of knowledge of how the finance of his time actually worked.

>>19358983
>Everyone who doesn't agree with me is a pseud.
What is it about Guenon and Evola that evoke this endless parade of no true Scotsman fallacies? "If you don't agree and praise it, you simply could not have understood it." Reminds me of evangelicals.

[Anonymous No.19359312]

>>19359066
>Old thing good, new thing bad!
In Greece, athletics became the purview of full time, professional athletes whose vocation was to entertain, same as today.

[Anonymous No.19359317]

>>19358749
Another day, another guenon shill thread

[Anonymous No.19359333]

>>19358777
BASED! WHERE IS HE!?!?!?

[Anonymous No.19359419]

>>19358754
Neet nationalism

[Anonymous No.19359456]

>>19358892
>society good and worth defending

>>19359066
>being physically healthy =/= a body designed for sports (athletes in certain sports have much lower life expectancy, assuming long life expectancy is good)

.t western degenerate minds.
We would all benefit from scaling down production severely and living with less luxurious and plastic crap from China. His main thesis is correct but I do disagree with his critique of sports mania being bad. Hylics need distractions in order to be content with their slavish mentality to materialism, and sporting events is much better than mass consumerism of products

[Anonymous No.19359481]

Reminder

So far we have /fit/
>BAP
>Taleb

Vs.

/antifit/
>Plato
>Socrates
>Xenophon
>Homer
>Christ
>Julius Caesar
>Seneca
>Archimedes
>Herder
>Hegel
>Jünger
>Ted
>Baudrilard
>Ellul
>Heidegger
>Nietzsche

[Anonymous No.19359507]

>>19359312
You know nothing about ancient Hellas. The Olympic Games were a sacred ceremony at which all the Greek city-states affirmed their belonging to the same nation and civilisation. Ritual and religion were the most major components. To reduce that to "entertainment" it to demonstrate not only your illiteracy, but also your crude character.

[Anonymous No.19359513]

>>19359481
/fit/bros... we got too cocky

[Anonymous No.19359517]

>>19359481
False dichotomy. Pretty sure Socrates was a hoplite. The real redpill is that strength and athleticism has relatively little to do with "bodybuilding". If you can stand your own in a fight and pull off a good loaded march, you've got peak physique.

[Anonymous No.19359545]

>who has developed his muscular strength to the highest pitch; its heroes are athletes
I wish, if only he knew how bad things would get and the monstrous manifestation of bioleninism

[Anonymous No.19359553]

>>19359517
cope. Socrates retroactively outed you as fags.

[Anonymous No.19359555]

>>19359517
Why would any normal human being in current year need to pull off a "loaded march" lmao. What is this larp

[Anonymous No.19359569]

>>19358860
guenonfag is fit. he posted his body multiple times.

[Anonymous No.19359593]

>>19359553
Who is "you"? What group am I a part of, according to you?
>>19359555
We are talking about functional strength and athleticism, right? No one needs to do anything at all, strictly speaking - even breathing is optional. My point is that there are more effective criteria for measuring athleticism than "bodybuilding".

[Anonymous No.19359602]

>>19359481
>/antifit/
>>Plato
>>Socrates
Did you miss the part in The Republic where Plato's Socrates says physical training is a must for the Guardians?

[Anonymous No.19359642]

>>19359602
Did you miss the part where he called it a surrogate activity?

[Anonymous No.19359651]

Chad worship is of the deepest form of nihilism

"One must address the opinion that nihilism is a disease with caution. With a bit of observation, one will find that physical health is connected with it—above all, where it is vigorously at work. With passive nihilism it is different. The dialectical play of increasing sensitivity and increasingly powerful actions that move our age is based upon it. Primarily, one cannot maintain that nihilism is based upon disease, nor even upon decadence, although both are certainly found there in abundance.

If one considers the immense efforts of work and of will that the active nihilist demands of himself, his disdain for pity and pain, the fluctuations from high to low temperatures to which he exposes himself, and the cult of the body and its worldly powers that one ordinarily finds in him, one must admit that he has received the gift of good health. And in fact one can discover that he has established a level of performance that he demands of himself and others absolutely. In this, he is not unlike the Jacobin who can be considered one of his precursors.

Nevertheless, it is peculiar that such Cyclopes and Titans emerge in a world in which caution is increasing in the extreme, and where one wants to avoid even the slightest draft. Meanwhile, in the welfare state, with its entitlements, health insurance, safety nets and narcotics, one sees types emerging, whose skin is tanned like leather and whose skeleton seems to be of iron. It may be that these are complementary figures, in the sense of color theory; the general weakening of nerve requires it. One inquires about their schools, about what has shaped them. They are surely diverse.

In the first place, one can recognize the school of civil war—the life of the political nihilists and social revolutionaries, the camps and prisons, Siberia. With them also belong, like a mirror image, the dispossessed, the degraded, the disgraced, escapees from the waves of terror, purges and liquidations. One sees here the one and there the other triumphant, or even, as in Spain, at a stalemate. What is common in all these encounters is their complete mercilessness. The adversary is no longer seen as a man; he stands outside the law."

[Anonymous No.19359654]

>>19358749
did guenon actually look like that? he looks like a bug and definitely not a european

[Anonymous No.19359658]

>>19359651
"The material battles of the First World War form the other source. It brought forth a man of iron and with him a new style of action and a series of frontist movements, which the failed policy confronted helplessly. One can foresee that the Second World War, in particular in Germany and Russia, will produce persons similarly formed. In the experience, the knowledge of those years spent in the East, including the fate of prisoners, there lies a still uninvestigated chapter of pain, the authentic currency of our age.

Finally, important in this connection is that special type of work called sport. It manifests the aspiration not just to normalize a higher degree of physical health, but to enter the record books at the limits of the possible, even to exceed them. In alpine skiing, flying, ski jumping, there are demands that surpass the human and an automatism preceded by deadening. Such records raise the bar over and over again. This process even translates to the workplace; it produces those worker-heroes who master twenty times over the work quota of a single exploited worker of 1913.

Considered from this point of view, one cannot blame illness, decadence or morbidezza for this development. Instead, one sees men appear who go their way like iron machines, indifferent even when the catastrophe breaks them. Admittedly, the spectacle remains rather strange, in which currents of activity and passivity touch, while the plankton sinks to the bottom and sharks rise up—on the one hand, the most tender impressionism, on the other, explosive action; on the one hand, subtle and pained understanding, on the other, will and excessive development of power."

[Anonymous No.19359661]

>>19358819
i'm fairly sure it's in the crisis of the modern world because i remember reading it but i could be wrong.

[Anonymous No.19359662]

>>19359569
Okay okay.
But what are you going to do about it? Lament endlessly? Or attempt to effect the changes you want, no matter how small, in the ways you can?

[Anonymous No.19359670]

>>19359481
That guy in the image is genuinely a gigachad IRL

[Anonymous No.19359673]

>>19359642
I don't recall any such thing in The Republic (or anywhere else). Do tell where Plato/Socrates say that.

[Anonymous No.19359677]

>>19359593
Functional strength implies a purpose or goal which is reflected in the outside world, you might train a specific muscle group to be better at lifting bags of grain for instance- but very few humans will ever need to train a "loaded march" for any reason, it shouldn't even be a consideration when defining what is and isn't athletic. My point is talking about fighting and marching as if that's what even a sizeable minority of people will ever need to do in their lives seems quite larpy.

[Anonymous No.19359682]

>>19359481
We have Mishima. He could carry the world on his shoulders. Just look at that deadlift.

[Anonymous No.19359693]

>>19359670
>gigachad
Define gigachad.

[Anonymous No.19359710]

>>19359654
He converted to Islam, took a Arabic name and moved to Egypt. I don't think he cared about being European.

[Anonymous No.19359725]

>>19359693
Can't remember exactly, basically he was a high level financial analyst for some huge company and had a doctorate in some obscure field of physics that seemed like he did it just out of his own interest. Basically rich as fuck with incredible intelligence and /fit/ to top it off. Lookism incels on fit use that image to compare it to young ottermode models to say that lifting doesn't matter but the guy is like 50 and in other pictures looks far more attractive in the face while also being jacked, smart and rich

[Anonymous No.19359730]

>>19359301
>What is it about Guenon and Evola that evoke this endless parade of no true Scotsman fallacies? "If you don't agree and praise it, you simply could not have understood it." Reminds me of evangelicals
OP has made this thread about 5 times already. Many agreed with some specific things he said. Many argued against him and established some more things that falsify what he said.
Almost everyone concurred that commercialized sports mania is bad. Almost everyone agreed that playing sports with your and/or lifting with your friends as part of your regular day without obsessing about it is good. Whatever insight we could gather from this argument has already been exhausted.
But OP tried (and continues to try) and make the argument "oh you wouldn't understand these esoteric traditional principles, you're materialist/bourgeois/etc, back in (my day) greece sports was super sacred blah blah blah, you wouldn't get the aesthetics of ancient greek physiques when compared with roided bodybuilders blah blah blah", without once not taking the arguments personally and without insulting other posters.
You used the correct word: evangelism. Deflect, ignore and repeat the same talking point.
Warning to all other posters: don't waste your time.

[Anonymous No.19359741]

>>19359730
What level of seethe is this?

[Anonymous No.19359753]

>>19359725
What's he going to buy with all that money? The full OnlyFans package and a subscription to Lgbtq++ flags on amazon?

[Anonymous No.19359756]

>>19359651
>>19359658
tl;dr

[Anonymous No.19359795]

>>19359753
Probably uses some significant part of it to study more at prestigious universities for fun.

But if you're implying the pursuit of wealth in a fundamentally broken society is pointless I would agree with you.

[Anonymous No.19359804]

>>19358862
There is a difference between a citizen of ancient Greece going to the olympics for entertainment every so often and some britbong degenerate watching soccer every weekend and obsessing over it. Look at the fans of these sports now, look at the raiders fanbase and how degenerate and obsessed they are with sports.
People get tattoos, wear apparel, and make their favorite sports team an integral part of their lives.

[Anonymous No.19359807]

>>19359677
Bro are you retarded? If you're taking that as your reference point - which is idiotic - then being a stiff, obese boomer in a mobility scooter is also peak physique because "you don't need to do anything more than that". My point is that the ancient ideal of a peak physique is equally distant both from being a stiff nerd and from "bodybuilding", can't see what's so challenging about that concept so that you don't understand.

[Anonymous No.19359816]

>>19359507
holy btfo

[Anonymous No.19359829]

>>19359730
>samefag
This faggot again

[Anonymous No.19359916]

>>19359756
Just read it.

[Anonymous No.19359988]

>>19359807
I literally provided you a real world example of why you should train (a farmer or laborer who needs to lift bags of grain for his job) but your reading comprehension seems to have clouded your judgement. You weren't talking about people in the past, hence:
>The real redpill is that strength and athleticism has relatively little to do with "bodybuilding". If you can stand your own in a fight and pull off a good loaded march, you've got peak physique.
Both examples you provided are larp. Bodybuilding unironically makes more sense for the overwhelming majority of people's needs than walking 10km with a ruck or doing jiu jitsu. Functional strength is about what individuals need to do in order to maintain their health in the real world. In other words, touch grass

[Anonymous No.19360084]

By reading the replies, I see that this mania for gym is a serious problem in the contemporary world. You only need to say something against it and everyone will start seething.

[Anonymous No.19360172]

>>19359916
No.
>>19359988
>I literally provided you a real world example of why you should train (a farmer or laborer who needs to lift bags of grain for his job) but your reading comprehension seems to have clouded your judgement.
Okay and since we live in a post-industrial society where we don't need to spend more than 10 minutes a day walking, if that, then being stiff obese bastards on mobility scooters is peak physique and we don't need to train our bodies because our bodies are perfectly suitable for the work we do. Sounds good to you right?
>Both examples you provided are larp.
The Ancient Hellenes got all of their exercise from combat related activities, hence my suggestions. Absolutely nothing about what I said is "larp", unless you consider Greek hoplites to have been larpers.
>Bodybuilding unironically makes more sense for the overwhelming majority of people's needs than walking 10km with a ruck or doing jiu jitsu.
I am not addressing the overwhelming majority of people because the overwhelming majority of people are lazy slob NPCs with zero agency or discipline that wouldn't be able to do any of the things you or I have mentioned. I am addressing, naturally, young men only. For young men, being capable of fighting and handling loaded marches is a good litmus test of having a balanced physique that mixes strength, coordination, mastery and endurance. Bodybuilding on the other hand, more often than not, is the result of an aesthetic obsession. Weight training is a great boon to strength development, naturally, but bodybuilding as a culture is pretty degenerate and has little to do with physical capacity, it's more about looks than power and those who do it for power while neglecting other areas of physical development wind up with massive physical strength but little endurance. A special forces soldier and a bodybuilder have very different physiques for a reason.

[Anonymous No.19360188]

>>19358883
/thread

[Anonymous No.19360236]

>>19358883
>>19360188
That woman unironically looks absolutely disgusting though. I hope the picture is photoshopped because that type of distortion of the human form is utterly abnormal. Her ass is literally bigger than her torso.

[Anonymous No.19360303]

>>19359682
That's not a deadlift.
>>19359312
This is retarded. Sports in ancient greece were about competition and belonging.

You don't need to do sports to entertain or seduce. Most of you sit at your desks all day wasting away. Working out is just a substitute for the natural fitness you lack because of a sedentary lifestyle. Your brain is literally part of your body. If you care for your mind so much, why would you not care for its container?

[Anonymous No.19360309]

>>19358777
Holy based

[Anonymous No.19360509]

>>19358777
>>19359333
These digits could only have been ordained by some brown pygmy living in another dimension reachable only through Tibet.

[Anonymous No.19360633]

lifting weights is literally by far the most effective form of physical fitness and if you are unaware of this you are simply ignorant. everybody worth a shit in modern militaries (i.e. combat arms) lifts anyway.

*closes tab*

[Anonymous No.19360896]

>>19358749
>that the Anglo-Saxon mania for sport gains ground day by day: the ideal of the modern world is the “human animal” who has developed his muscular strength to the highest pitch
the classical greeks and roman already had a fascination for athletes and sports were viewed as a gift for the gods, specially the olimpics, the same can be said about the aztecs, and even in china taoist put great focus on the development of the body, using the musuclar fibres to develop the qui channels and achieve inmortality

[Anonymous No.19361156]

>>19360633
What does this have to do with anything?

[Anonymous No.19361166]

>>19358749
Guenon is not a serious philosopher.

[Anonymous No.19361271]

>>19361166
he's not even a philosopher, he never studied philosophy, just read some book
and it shows, his understanding o philosophy is shallow and basic, andhe never engaged with themost important philosopher of his era, like heidegger, hegele, wittgenstein etc

[Anonymous No.19361290]

>>19360896
>athletes, even though they be mere brutes
I don't think that the greek athletes and taoists were brutes, bodybuilders on the other hand are

[Anonymous No.19361300]

>>19361166
*Guenon is not a philosopher
which is what he himself claimed

[Anonymous No.19361561]

>>19358749
none can withstand his refutations

[Anonymous No.19361647]

>>19360896
Stop being dumb.

[Anonymous No.19361861]

[Anonymous No.19362087]

>>19361271
ESL alert
Your English is atrocious, spend less time engaging with your hilariously modern philosophers, and spend more time learning how to write proper English.

[Anonymous No.19362105]

>>19358749
>it is enough to note how the contemplative orders are viewed, even in circles that con sider themselves religious. In such a world, there is no longer any place for intelligence, or anything else that is purely inward
Because he just seems to neary completely neglect and ignore the monastic tradition of Christianity, what conclusion is there but that he was just an orientalist?

[Anonymous No.19362190]

>>19360236
Verily I say unto you, that entire meme image is made by a porn addict who needs to justify his shit taste for T H I C C sheboons and porn. Note that he mentions drinking but doesn't mention porn, the girl is porn but she's addressed as an actual girl, like the bottle is addressed as real liquor. Everything is just smoke and mirrors to say "porn good". You must understand that porn addicts act like a sort of cult, they need to sneak their thing in. They are not very smart so all they can do is SUN = GOOD, BACON = GOOD, PORN = GOOD and then they have a strawman "bigot" say NO, SUN BAD, BACON BAD, PORN ALSO BAD and he looks like a retard so porn must obviously be good.
Once you understand how they work and why they do what they do it all becomes clear, just imagine that porn is a weird cult like Scientology or whatever.

[Anonymous No.19362708]

>>19360084
This. It's one of the major signs of decline.

[Anonymous No.19362746]

>>19358862
>I can't take this retard seriously since I read the passage about him mystifying finance and talking about how money was totally changing in his day because it was now marks on a ledger and not material coins.
https://youtu.be/5XMFEUNut18
Imbecile. I cannot imagine living in a world where coinage is so debased it is now spread across “cumcoin” and “dogecoin” on online servers and still telling myself that he is not right in saying coinage has and will undergo degeneration. Money was not “mostly ledgers” in ancient times, it had physical value. That’s why ancient Roman and Greek coins all have their ribbing scraped off the sides. People would horde piles of coin shavings and then melt the material down and sell it. The truth is, Guenon was a terrifying brilliant person, much more intelligent than anyone on this board, and people who try to dismiss him like you come across as the pseuds and the ones “coping.”
Not to say I agree with everything he says, because although he has some very brilliant insight, something about him and his personal life and beliefs rubs me the wrong way at times

[Anonymous No.19362765]

>>19359730
What a boring and lifeless view of the world.

[Anonymous No.19362768]

>>19361166
You’re right. He’s a mathematician, polyglot mystic. Which is far more intriguing than a philosopher, especially during the 20th century. Sartre

[Anonymous No.19362773]

>>19362746
Ancient Greece had banks and large financial ventures took place with ledger transfers, yes.

[Anonymous No.19362784]

>>19358777
Holy mother of based

[Anonymous No.19362826]

>>19360084
This photo is great for seethe farming. It's gotten me banned twice in a row lolol.

[Anonymous No.19362845]

>>19358777
Bruh

[Anonymous No.19362855]

>>19358749
>t. Detroit Lions fan

[Anonymous No.19362867]

>>19362708
II's a symptom a long way down the hill from the cause. Fitness is such a shibboleth because modernity has turned physical activity into mindless repetitive behavior instead of part of a mindful pursuit of anything productive.

[Anonymous No.19362878]

>>19362773
Yes all evidence points to fractional reserve banking as an ancient practice. you fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.19362879]

>>19362826
My best friend's a Chad and this is how it was for him. Getting women was second nature. But this fucked him sometimes too because he compulsively cheated and lost the good women.

[Anonymous No.19363560]

>>19358749
I lift basado and that's good enough for me.

[Anonymous No.19364087]

>>19362878
>Ledger transfers = central banks
Bro, the fact that your knowledge of the topic comes from propo YouTubes is obvious.

Unironically like Guenon, because he seemed to operate under the assumption that banks through history worked by actually moving coins from vault to vault for transfers, so that someone making a.purchase on credit in Ancient Syracuse, and then making payment after a successful trading voyage in Athens, would require the bank to send a ship full of precious metals out into the ocean to log the transfer, which is retarded.

[Anonymous No.19364434]

[Anonymous No.19364482]

>>19358749
DYEL

[Anonymous No.19364609]

>>19360236
fat ass = pp hard
your post reeks of low test beta male cope

[Anonymous No.19364672]

>>19362826
This pic is completely true.
If you did not grow up as the kid in the picture, you will be faking it your entire life if you try to naturally seem how he is.
Not to say self improvement is a negative, but it can never, ever, give one qualities which they do not already possess in some capacity.

[Anonymous No.19364713]

>That woman unironically looks absolutely disgusting though. I hope the picture is photoshopped because that type of distortion of the human form is utterly abnormal. Her ass is literally bigger than her torso.

[Anonymous No.19364862]

>>19362826
Ultra giga cope. A porn riddled mind wrote this.

[Anonymous No.19364927]

>>19364862
Post proof. It's practically science that an indivdual is developed by 25 and can't really change after. If you have stunted development, it's hard to completely recover.

[Anonymous No.19365579]

>>19358777
bros what it mean

[Anonymous No.19365608]

How come fit has no response?

[Anonymous No.19365646]

>>19358892

[Anonymous No.19366290]

>>19359730
>Agree with them but differ on one specific stupid thing Guenon did
>Hylic! Reeeee!

[Anonymous No.19367503]

Bump

[Anonymous No.19367543]

>>19365646
>Goes through a hell of Anglo Protestant's creation
>fucking jews >.<
Dumb ass, fuck a cracker they fucking you honkeys fuck honkeys fuck crackers fucking white honkeys fuck english humanoids

[Anonymous No.19368948]

>>19367543
What

[Anonymous No.19369401]

>>19358749
I know a guy like this. He converted to Islam years ago and now lives in Qatar or somewhere in that region. Only works a few hours a day, if at all, just to sustain himself and his wife. Spends the rest of his time studying Islam and islamist groups.

He would probably call Guénon a mushrik but he gotta be the most trad guy I know.

[Anonymous No.19369417]

>>19369401
What does he do for work?

[Anonymous No.19369446]

>>19369417
He used to do freelance writing on cryptocurrencies. I think he moved on to crypto consulting now.

He also wrote a book about how Bitcoin and Islam. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07QHQKT9W/
And one about how he wants Americans to retvrn to Tradition. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08R9DYQ6N
Both are also on archive.org btw

[Anonymous No.19369450]

>>19369446
Oops.
*about how Bitcoin and Islam are compatible.

[Anonymous No.19370231]

>>19369450
Islamcoin is next dogecoin?

[Anonymous No.19371064]

Looks like fit loses again. Where's your fighting spirit?

[Anonymous No.19371666]

>>19369450
can i get a qrd?
How is this not haram? Is bitcoin deliverable in raisins?

[Anonymous No.19371670]

>>19358754
Cope reich

[Anonymous No.19371835]

>>19358754
>>19358892
explain why his main thesis is wrong, despite neets

[Anonymous No.19371865]

>>19364087
Nobody believes your retarded "ledger transfer" strawman.

[Anonymous No.19372060]

>>19370231
Pictured is a golden dinar. Don't compare gold to shitcoins

>>19371666
He says
>Looking at the intention behind Bitcoin, we can say that there is more or less total agreement between the intent of Bitcoin and the aims of the shariah.
He argues Bitcoin is in fact more halal than currencies issued by central banks, since it is not based on debt and interest, but on proof of work which ensures the currency is based on something valuable (energy input) rather than the manipulation of a state.
Cryptocurrency will also allow Muslims to gain back more independence from the polytheist controlled economic systems which have an iron grip on the world. That's a point he really emphasized.
It's been a while since I've read the book, but that's what I gathered.

[Anonymous No.19372111]

>>19372060
Gold dinar was formulated by Umar Pasha Vadillo (spanish muslim convert and economist) and his friend Ian Dallas (abdalqadir as-sufi). This is what got Gaddafi killed btw.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8B3yG5BPFhA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUj9r5tBrUQ

[Anonymous No.19372113]

>>19358777
Oh MY GOD

[Anonymous No.19372123]

>>19359481
>>19331855

[Anonymous No.19372128]

>>19360236
I gotta say I do love me some disgusting nigger ass. Hate liquor and sportsball tho.

[Anonymous No.19372137]

>>19359682
Whoa man he can deadlift on his shoulders all the way

[Anonymous No.19372155]

>>19359682
Why is he so weak bros

[Anonymous No.19372165]

>>19358777
Digits confirm Guenon was right yet again

[Anonymous No.19372216]

>>19372137
Real men deadlift in the squat rack.

[Anonymous No.19372264]

>>19372060
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawala
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_in_Islam

sounds like they are trying to bs god with technicalities to me
not really how it works

[Anonymous No.19372310]

[Anonymous No.19372327]

>>19372111
>On this talk, Shaykh Umar speaks about the ideas behind his book, The Esoteric Deviation in Islam published in 2001, that he was encouraged to write by Shaykh Abdalqadir as-Sufi (ra) after many talks they shared together.
>Shaykh Umar talks about the history of religion in Europe and how usury was highly condemned by Christianity. In order for it to be accepted, the religion had to be adapted. The division of Catholicism into a new Protestant Christianity allowed for free interpretation, an ideology that would seep into the Muslim world.
>The introduction of a new practice of Riba, known as banking, is the catalyst that drives the reform of religion from law that encompasses all aspects of life, to a way of life reduced only to govern personal issues. Society, government, politics and economics, can no longer be questioned by religion. Capitalism replaces religion as the new law.
Interesting. Looks like he is the result when you cross Guenon and the guy I mentioned.

>>19372264
What's the issue? I see no jewish tricks mentioned there.

[Anonymous No.19372372]

>>19372327
Actually nevermind, looks like this guy is anti-Guenon. The esoteric deviation he's referring to is the perennialist school itself, which he says was introduced to paralyze Islam and make it succumb to the final phase of capitalism.
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/11247659-the-esoteric-deviation-in-islam

[Anonymous No.19372420]

>>19361861
The post that killed fitlit