/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.19349095]

Best books to prevent apostasy?

[Anonymous No.19349111]

None. Abrahamism is just intrinsically stupid, and as it turns out not even coercion by force can save it from the jaws of time

[Anonymous No.19349119]

>>19349111
Quiet, fag.

[Anonymous No.19349120]

what is that

[Anonymous No.19349133]

>>19349119
>irrelevant data
WHOA...

[Anonymous No.19349135]

>>19349095
>alright, so imagine opinions I disagree with as descending into a dark place
>see how bad this is?

[Anonymous No.19349142]

>>19349133
You been a poofter is very relevant to the credibility of your accusations.

[Anonymous No.19349149]

Belief is so insidious. If something works, it doesn't have to be believed.
Faith is worse. Faith forces belief in the face of evidence to the contrary.
It is so sad when a con game finally gets exposed, yet the victims still believe.

[Anonymous No.19349151]

>>19349135
>>alright, so imagine opinions I disagree with as descending into a dark place
>>see how bad this is?

[Anonymous No.19349158]

>>19349119
What's even the point of this post, holy shit.

Anyway, I'll just wait for Christianity to just become an even bigger garbage pile on fire. Pretty soon it will be a faith exclusively made up of Qanoners, conspiracy kooks, nazis, conartists and morons. Until it finally collapses and something better can finally take its place.

[Anonymous No.19349159]

>>19349149
Atheists believe in and have faith in their convictions despite the consistent dysgenic results.

[Anonymous No.19349168]

>>19349119
>man who believes in bearded skydaddy claims superiority over those who believe in multiple skydaddies.
Stop the presses

[Anonymous No.19349173]

>>19349158
Look at Sweden. That's your post-Christian future.
>>19349168
>skydaddy
Tell me about your father, anon.

[Anonymous No.19349174]

>>19349142
>You been
kek
I haven't made any accusation btw, I'm not>>19349111
Also, learn to read data, it's fucking 2021. Did you complete middle school?

[Anonymous No.19349178]

>>19349159
How intolerant! So much for 'loving your neighbour', lol.

[Anonymous No.19349191]

>>19349159
Yes, and viewing ancestory as part of the national identity is indeed pretty retarded, as before the 19th century there barely was something as a national identity, and people almost solely cared about their local environment and those directly around them, as they had for millenia before that.

Racism is another one of these 19th century retardations, and was completely unheard of in the ancient world. The ancient Greeks cared fairly little about outsiders (unless they went to war with them), and were heavily interested in exotic cultures like Egypt.

I'm afraid that if you went back to the past when everything was supposedly based and redpilled, people would've considered you as much of a retard as they do now. Womp womp

[Anonymous No.19349196]

You are justifying Christianity as an ethnic/social glue to maintain an ethical order. That has nothing to do with faith.

[Anonymous No.19349198]

>>19349173
Do you feel offended? Is 'magical skydaddy in the clouds' a misrepresentation of your faith?

[Anonymous No.19349201]

>>19349135
Everyone disagrees to something. Especially you. What's your motherfucking point? That you should get a fucking free pass to all the degenerate shit you do?

[Anonymous No.19349210]

>>19349158
>something better can finally take its place.
I have a feeling you mean paganism or New Age religion but honestly I think Islam will replace Christianity in the West (at least in Europe).

[Anonymous No.19349211]

>>19349173
Holy shit. The /pol/tard is going all out with his shitty propaganda. Too bad click horny publications and hypey journo interpretations of findings isn't the same as robust research, but I guess no one ever told that to a retard like you

[Anonymous No.19349212]

>>19349158
>>19349159

>Too-stupid-to-even-know-they-are-too-stupid.jpg

Testify, morons....

[Anonymous No.19349236]

>>19349210
>Islam
A religion that doesn't even tolerate its co-religionists, let alone other religious people? Sounds like a winner indeed, you'll have lots of innovation and development with that one, especially when that requires coorperation between people who don't necessarily agree with each other.

Anyway, tge right wing cope surrounding Islam is also pretty hilarious to me, especially when the totally based and redpilled Taliban took over Afghanistan, despite that Afghanistan after the take over is now in an even more decrepit state than it already was

[Anonymous No.19349249]

>>19349236
Why the ire lol, I’m not even Muslim or Christian, I don’t have a dog in this fight. That being said, I do think Islam will win in Europe. Partly because of the demographic shifts happening on the continent, partly because of the “hollowing out” of Christianity. I do not mean any offense to Christians but the liberalizing trend in Christianity and Western belief in general has made it prime for the arrival of a more active, strict religion. Because of the demographics, this religion happened to be Islam.

[Anonymous No.19349251]

>>19349174
>learn to read data
How did I misread it, or has the AIDS affected your comprehension?

[Anonymous No.19349255]

>>19349191
>and viewing ancestory as part of the national identity is indeed pretty retarded,

[Anonymous No.19349256]

>>19349159
43% is still pretty good if you ask me. Just look at Denmark holy fucking shit

[Anonymous No.19349261]

>>19349251
>presenting literal fucking Quora as a source
Why are /pol/tards so retarded? Does raising your right arm cut off the blood supply to your brain or something?

[Anonymous No.19349262]

>>19349196
A nation is defined by the doctrines it holds. Atheism promotes rootlessness.
>>19349256
>less than half is good

[Anonymous No.19349265]

>>19349095
https://books.google.com/books?id=GglFAQAAMAAJ

[Anonymous No.19349269]

>>19349159
Whatever happened to 'we are all children of Adam'? Is christian doctine interfering with your larp?

[Anonymous No.19349270]

>>19349261
You can look up the study quoted right now. Or is that too many steps for you?

[Anonymous No.19349277]

>>19349191
>The ancient Greeks cared fairly little about outsiders
They had this comfort because their interactions with them were strictly confined to commerce and exchange. If Egyptians and Persian had started flooding Hellas en masse the Greeks would've gotten pretty pissed off as we should

[Anonymous No.19349278]

>>19349255
>muh jews
Ahh, the middle square of the retard bingo card. Too bad the historic records support my point of view, and not your reichpilled hot dogshit

[Anonymous No.19349292]

>>19349270
Why don't you do it, you lazy fucktard. Jesus, I thought nazis were the master race

>>19349277
>They had this comfort because their interactions with them were strictly confined to commerce and exchange.
Yes, and hypernationalism is surprisingly useless when it comes to this. That's why North Korea isn't a paradise on earth

[Anonymous No.19349306]

>>19349249
>I do think Islam will win in Europe
>Because of the demographics, this religion happened to be Islam.

According to Deutsche Welle, immigrants from Muslim countries remain strongly religious in a trend which continues across generations. In the UK, 64% identify as "highly religious", 42% in Austria, 33% in France and 26% in Switzerland.[105]

A 2005 Université Libre de Bruxelles study estimated that about 10% of the Muslim population in Belgium are "practicing Muslims".[106] In 2009, only 24% of Muslims in the Netherlands attended mosque once a week according to a survey.[107] According to the same 2004 survey, they found that the importance of Islam in the lives of Dutch Muslims, particularly of second-generation immigrants was decreasing. According to a survey, only 33% of French Muslims who were interviewed said they were religious believers. That figure is the same as that obtained by the INED/INSEE survey in October 2010.[108]

Percentage of Muslim women wearing the niqab, hijab or any other veil in France in 2019, by frequency

Yes, always 19%
No, and I've never worn it before 58%

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1058154/women-wearing-hijab-france/

[Anonymous No.19349308]

>>19349270
Hey you. When you argue with a fucktarded liberal faggot like this one >>19349292
You should always know that they fucking play stupid and childish to get on your nerves. They're not here to debate or argue, they're here to drag you down into the shit

[Anonymous No.19349312]

>christianity

[Anonymous No.19349314]

>>19349251
>using quora as a source
kek
Have a nice day

[Anonymous No.19349317]

>>19349306
stop it noooooo facts stoppppp facts bad i just want to feel angry from screenshots of muslims with a vaporwave filter !!!!

[Anonymous No.19349320]

>>19349095
Probably Monkey Magic the tv show from Japan, but Journey to the West in general. Zen flesh zen bones is too dry for current children. You need to karate chop the failure to recognise the universal nature of consciousness and suffering in the testicles while making fart jokes to prevent apostasy

[Anonymous No.19349328]

>>19349312
>atheism

[Anonymous No.19349338]

>>19349328
>insert lgbt+ priest webm

[Anonymous No.19349342]

>>19349306
Give it time. Again, there are two parts to this shift I am predicting. One will be with the demographics. I think if you look in younger generations (Gen Z, etc) the demographics will be much more favorable for Islam. And secondly, I think you will begin to see more and more conversions to Islam as time goes on. The combination of these two is why I think Islam will be the dominant faith in Europe.

[Anonymous No.19349372]

>>19349338
>insert the literal banana fucking amazing atheist

[Anonymous No.19349392]

>>19349095
Why are there so many steps in between “no deity” and “atheism?” What a dumb cartoon.

[Anonymous No.19349400]

Books to INCREASE apostasy?

[Anonymous No.19349402]

>>19349392
Talking about Christ not being deity probably given the other steps.

[Anonymous No.19349405]

>>19349392
Because it's a slippery slope you fucking retarded nigger. It doesn't just happen suddenly. It happens incrementally and the destruction of piece by piece. IE Marriage, traditional family unit, etc

[Anonymous No.19349408]

>>19349119
Based

[Anonymous No.19349415]

>>19349095
I'm actually in the bible not infallible step of the ladder and I'm okay with it.

Jesus never said the book itself is infallible, much less its translations would be infallible.
And if it wasn't infallible, the original manuscripts would survive because early Christians would treasure it more than any sacraments. Also the Holy Ghost would never allow the originals to disappear.

[Anonymous No.19349420]

>>19349328
>end of the western civilization
>end of many cultures
>non self improving, ungrateful, egoistic douches
A little bit of self-projection I see

[Anonymous No.19349437]

>>19349308
Haha, o dear, are the nasty online comments making you go poopy? I thought righttards were the strong based and stoic ones, don't get your panties all in a twist, mr. alpha dawg

[Anonymous No.19349442]

>>19349420
Name one thriving secular country in history.
Pro tip: There never has been one and never will be

[Anonymous No.19349445]

>>19349420
That and of course
>dick cutting degenerates
>when that practice literally originates from your own holy book
You've got to love seething /pol/tards. They're honestly too dumb to consider them evil

[Anonymous No.19349450]

>>19349437
55%
It's inevitable

[Anonymous No.19349454]

>>19349442
Literally the entire West right now, you retarded dipshit

[Anonymous No.19349465]

>>19349450
>statistics, which are notorious for changing a lot, often in highly unpredictable ways
>inevitable
Honestly, how do retards like you not forget how to breathe? Do you have a reminder scribbled on your hand?

[Anonymous No.19349474]

>>19349454
Hyperinflation out the fucking ass with culture eroded to the point of accepting men that dress up as normal and teaching children it's okay to lose their identity to conform to social norms while the entire third world moves into the country bringing their third world problems and diseases and a government and media so fucking corrupt that it could steal an election without consequences.

Whoa, so this is the power of secularism

[Anonymous No.19349482]

>>19349465
Do you think they'll care enough to put xir on the headstone? I don't think they will

[Anonymous No.19349485]

>>19349454
>The West
Literally how? If you had said China you might have had some valid argument

[Anonymous No.19349486]

>>19349474
>the entire third world moves into the country bringing their third world problems and diseases
This is christianity's fault, 'love your ethic' and so on.

[Anonymous No.19349488]

>>19349474
What in the motherfuck are you even talking about. Is your whole day to day experience just shitty /pol/ memes?

[Anonymous No.19349492]

>>19349486
love your neighbour*

[Anonymous No.19349496]

>>19349328
>Socrates died in Athens in 399 BC after a trial for impiety

[Anonymous No.19349498]

>>19349485
Name a single country in North America or Europe that is ruled by religious decree

[Anonymous No.19349502]

>>19349486
Stop shifting the blame. We all know it came from the perverted holier than thou attitude incorporated into the left. You're kind of parasitic like jews that way, take these honorable and righteous ways and then magnify that to a suicidal altruism.

[Anonymous No.19349504]

>>19349400
Biscuit Tin Bible
https://www.wdl.org/en/item/18411/view/1/1/

[Anonymous No.19349505]

>>19349498
No, they are secular. I just don’t think you can point to them as being healthy societies.

[Anonymous No.19349506]

>>19349488
Stop acting dumb and ignoring the factual statement.

[Anonymous No.19349510]

>>19349502
>MUH LEFT!!!1
>the greatest civilization can be undone by a few blue haired ladies with hairy armpits
Sounds like a pretty pathetic civilization then

[Anonymous No.19349521]

>>19349510
>simplifying the catastrophic effects of the left
But of course you would do that.

[Anonymous No.19349524]

>>19349502
Uh...no. Atheism is responsible for social darwinism, scientific racism and all the other ethnolarp, while christcucks say shit like 'made in the image of god' and 'all one in jesus christ' while kissing nigger feet. Kike on a stick, never forget that.

[Anonymous No.19349528]

>>19349505
They're literally number one by pretty much every measure we can think of. You honestly sound like an extremely sheltered individual. Why don't you go live in one of the 'based' and 'redpilled' countries for a month, and afterwards come back and tell me how le west is le dying. I promise you that even the shittest western ghetto looks like a fucking gated community compared to most of the stuff you'll find outside of the west

[Anonymous No.19349533]

>>19349521
>>simplifying
You're right, reichtards never do this

[Anonymous No.19349556]

>>19349528
I don’t deny that material conditions in the West are the best in the world with the possible exception of East Asia. But at the same time, something is very wrong here. Diseases of despair, suicides… these are afflictions which the secular parts of the world are suffering from intensely which just don’t happen as much in the more religious parts of the world. You can say “Western lives are much better than African ones!” That is tire. But the Western people are not as happy. The Western people are sicker. The Western people are the ones will terminally low birth rates, with people saying they don’t see a brighter future. I am not smart enough to know why this is happening and what is wrong, but I am able to see that something is VERY wrong in secular societies.

[Anonymous No.19349564]

>>19349556
>But at the same time, something is very wrong here. Diseases of despair, suicides… these are afflictions which the secular parts of the world are suffering from intensely which just don’t happen as much in the more religious parts of the world.
That's because people over there are too busy starving to death or dying in a civil war

[Anonymous No.19349586]

>>19349556
>Western people have lower birth rates.
>clearly, this is cheifly because of atheism
>there cannot be any other factors. None at all.

[Anonymous No.19349588]

>>19349564
Or perhaps spirituality provides a truth to people, the denial of which left them hollow. I would be curious to see what the rates for diseases of despair are like in the Jewish Ultra-Orthodox communities as opposed to secular people living in the same area. They are not the ones dying in conflict so we can only attribute any gap to religion.

[Anonymous No.19349595]

>>19349556
Humans are NEVER happy, and this is exactly what pushes us towards progress (however intended).

>me no happy out in rain, me make clothes
>me no happy wet clothes, make mud hut
>me no happy in mud hut, me make bricks
>me no happy in brick home, make fire
>me no happy with smoke in home, invent heating

[Anonymous No.19349610]

>>19349586
Yes. I think low birth rates in the West are direct result of people feeling hopeless for the future. It is generally accepted that religious people are less likely to develop such feelings than nonreligious people are. As a result, the West, which has the second largest atheist population in the world, is seeing a sub-replacement birthrate.

I don’t think a secular government is a bad thing, but an atheist population is one living on borrowed time.

[Anonymous No.19349653]

>>19349095

The smart people stay on agnosticism. Going the extra step to atheism means you have the CERTAINTY that God doesn't exist which is an ignorant position to take given how humans are extremely limited by their biological framework to even hope to ever get an answer to the metaphysical question of God's existence.

[Anonymous No.19349678]

>>19349610
Why would religion make people hopeful?

[Anonymous No.19349687]

>>19349524
>Atheism is responsible for social darwinism, scientific racism
Source?

>>19349533
We do and we do it with a smile. Rules for Radicals cunt.

[Anonymous No.19349693]

>>19349653
>The cowardly people stay on agnosticism*
FTFY It's either one or another. There is no inbetween

[Anonymous No.19349706]

>>19349693

It's not cowardice, it's accepting you can't have certainty on any position, which is the only smart approach. Humans will never be able to prove God's existence or inexistence, we can't even go outside our solar system. Stop being ridiculous, only brainlets have certainty on something so such an extremely impossible subject.

[Anonymous No.19349720]

Books cause apostasy. Stop reading. Now. Before it's too late.

[Anonymous No.19349730]

>>19349706
That's why it's called faith, coward. That will to believe in more is the defining trademark of the human spirit. We were not meant to sit in uncertainty and think we'll progress by this inaction.

[Anonymous No.19349820]

>>19349706
Forthwith I comprehended, and was certain,
That this the sect was of the caitiff wretches
Hateful to God and to his enemies.

These miscreants, who never were alive,
Were naked, and were stung exceedingly
By gadflies and by hornets that were there.

These did their faces irrigate with blood,
Which, with their tears commingled, at their feet
By the disgusting worms was gathered up.

[Anonymous No.19349830]

>>19349730

You can have faith, but faith doesn't mean objective certainty. Faith is not the same as recognizing something as objective truth.

Also, people are able to function in the absence of faith too, there are religions which doesn't require the belief in a transcedental or immanent God (see Buddhism).

To be honest I don't even know what to call myself. I'm not entirely agnostic either because I follow the same line of thinking as Leibniz: there must be a reason for which reality exists instead of not existing and that must be an external force. The universe cannot be self-sufficient because something material cannot appear out of nothingness (the definition of nothing is literally absolute nothingness, including the existence of any independent law by which the universe would self-create).

So in this sense, I believe something like God exists, though I use the term "God" in an extremely broad sense and that's because it's impossible for humans to know what God is. Leibniz by contrast believed this God was the christian God. I take more precaution and say that we don't know what this God is, though it's very likely he exists since we have no other possible explanation for why reality exists instead of not existing.

But again, this is also a theory, not a certainty. I'm only saying what's the rational and plausible outcome of an objective analysis. Science might empirically explain how the universe works and might even give an explanation of how the universe started (as in the process), but once we reach this part, we realize science cannot explain WHY this process happens instead of not happening and science will never be able to explain this because it goes beyond the physical realm since it's about a priori conditions of reality (and we definitely can't study what was before reality since that would mean going outside reality, which is not possible cause we're bound with necessity to matter).

But anyway, I think it's plausible to say God exists, so in this sense I would be a theist (though not in the traditional sense). On the other hand though I'm inclined to be agnostic since I also hold that it's impossible to know what God is.

[Anonymous No.19349838]

>>19349830
>But anyway, I think it's plausible to say God exists, so in this sense I would be a theist (though not in the traditional sense).
The word you're looking for is "deism"

[Anonymous No.19349852]

>>19349838

Thanks. Yeah, I guess I'm a deist then. I've looked it seems to hold the same things that I do.

[Anonymous No.19349873]

>>19349687
>Source?
One of the things that fueled Darwin's progress in developing his theory was his disappointment in Christianity and a shift to atheism. I suppose relations between evolutionism, social Darwinism and nazism needn't be explained.

[Anonymous No.19349909]

>>19349392
>Why isn't the word black and white like in my worldview?
kys

[Anonymous No.19349916]

>>19349873
Attributing social darwinism and nazism to Darwin isn't really intellectually honest, though

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Darwin#Human_society

Darwin's views on social and political issues reflected his time and social position. He grew up in a family of Whig reformers who, like his uncle Josiah Wedgwood, supported electoral reform and the emancipation of slaves. Darwin was passionately opposed to slavery, while seeing no problem with the working conditions of English factory workers or servants.[200]

Taking taxidermy lessons in 1826 from the freed slave John Edmonstone, whom Darwin long recalled as "a very pleasant and intelligent man", reinforced his belief that black people shared the same feelings, and could be as intelligent as people of other races. He took the same attitude to native people he met on the Beagle voyage.[201] These attitudes were not unusual in Britain in the 1820s, much as it shocked visiting Americans. British society started to envisage racial differences more distinctly in mid-century,[28] but Darwin remained strongly against slavery, against "ranking the so-called races of man as distinct species", and against ill-treatment of native people.[202][VII]

Darwin's interaction with Yaghans (Fuegians) such as Jemmy Button during the second voyage of HMS Beagle had a profound impact on his view of indigenous peoples. At his arrival to Tierra del Fuego he made a colourful description of "Fuegian savages".[203] This view changed as he came to know Yaghan people more in detail. By studying the Yaghans, Darwin concluded that a number of basic emotions by different human groups were the same and that mental capabilities were roughly the same as for Europeans.[203] While interested in Yaghan culture Darwin failed to appreciate their deep ecological knowledge and elaborate cosmology until the 1850s when he inspected a dictionary of Yaghan detailing 32,000 words.[203] He saw that European colonisation would often lead to the extinction of native civilisations, and "tr[ied] to integrate colonialism into an evolutionary history of civilization analogous to natural history".[204]

He thought men's eminence over women was the outcome of sexual selection, a view disputed by Antoinette Brown Blackwell in her 1875 book The Sexes Throughout Nature.[205]

Could he fit in today political discourse? Of course not, but who could?

[Anonymous No.19349948]

>>19349916
>Attributing social darwinism and nazism to Darwin isn't really intellectually honest, though
Why? Nobody's saying that he personally invented them, but it is an undeniable fact that his theories laid the foundation for both.

[Anonymous No.19349984]

>>19349111
Based and checked

[Anonymous No.19350065]

>>19349095
King James Bible (preserved word of God in English).

watch this gospel video if you are not yet 100% sure of going to heaven. you can't work your way to heaven because salvation is not of works.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEawcSFuCTw&t=1s

watch this documentary if you want to know just how badly corrupted modern bible versions like the niv, esv, nasb, catholic bibles, etc are

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXK8yJj-S4U&t=1983s

[Anonymous No.19350084]

>>19349496
FREE
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[Anonymous No.19350275]

>>19349948
Anything someone says can be interpreted in wildly differing ways.
Do you know the movie "Freaks"? At the start there's a very interesting premise: the author discusses how all the people depicted in the movie actually have those deformities, and how this (1932) is probably the last time we will be able to film such a movie because science will cure them. He goes on to say that for centuries people with "weird" conditions have been enslaved, tortured, mocked, etc, which is an abomination. In one of the scenes, a man finds the "freaks" playing in the forest, and he almost want to kill the "monsters". The circus madame says that she "likes to take them to the forest, where no one can insult or throw stones at them, so they can play joyously, like children. Because this is what they are: children" (going by memory).

We can clearly see some eugenic substance to the initial claims (science will cure this stuff and there will be no more freaks) but also a humane attitude towards the people who have these genetic defects: eugenics and social darwinism don't HAVE to be about "kill everyone who isn't a literal Thor or Freyja".

Hope I made my point clear

[Anonymous No.19350282]

>>19349095
http://libgen.rs/book/index.php?md5=9A744BF434D8A7CB1D02A2CC16512145

[Anonymous No.19350469]

>>19349119
Neopaganism is just a christiam heresy.

[Anonymous No.19350579]

>>19350469
elaborate

[Anonymous No.19351301]

>>19349678
>>19349610
It's a simple question. Why would I feel compelled to breed as a christian and not so much as an atheist?

[Anonymous No.19351759]

>>19349095
Hmmm. Then if Christianity isn't the religion for the white man, then which one is it? Should I unironically become a pagan? I mean I read the Upanishads and the Bhagavad Gita, but then I saw the product of actually practicing Hinduism, one look at India tells you more then you need to know. Buddhism I found alright, but it just seems like completly buck broken schizos, I mean inherent in the religion is that life is suffering, and the goal is to achieve nirvana, which is to be 'extinguished'. Its literally spiritual anti-natalism. As such, nope to that either. As for Islam and Judaism, same thing. So what does that leave me with. None of the Abrahamics, none of the Indian religions, is the only way to move forward right wing atheism? Maybe some sort of paganism? Where should I start? How do I know which pagan sect to choose???

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.19351817]

>>19349095
Just a heavy enough one to give brain damage when hit upside the head wit it

>>19349159
>dysgenic
Implying religions aren’t dysgenic

[Anonymous No.19351991]

>>19349191
>Yes, and viewing ancestory as part of the national identity is indeed pretty retarded,
wtf I love giving up my country to inbred muslims now

[Anonymous No.19352007]

>>19351759
You’ve imputed a bourgeois subject as consciousness.

[Anonymous No.19352008]

>>19349191
>I'm afraid that if you went back to the past when everything was supposedly based and redpilled, people would've considered you as much of a retard as they do now.
My position is the same as Aristotle, was he an evil bigoted nazi?

[Anonymous No.19352111]

>>19351759
>then I saw the product of actually practicing Hinduism, one look at India tells you more then you need to know
They obviously didn't do a good job transitioning to modernity or industrializing, so you decide to repudiate their entire historical and cultural legacy. Stick to atheism and materialism. You're just interested in appearances and not the substance of things. Shallow faggot.

[Anonymous No.19352151]

>>19351817
>trip homo
opinion discarded

[Anonymous No.19352165]

>>19352008
>My position is the same as Aristotle
It isnt. A polis isnt a nationstate.

[Anonymous No.19352168]

>>19352111
>You're just interested in appearances and not the substance of things. Shallow faggot
Yes!

People who shit in the street and gangrape woman are not spiritual. period.

[Anonymous No.19352173]

>>19349111
Based

[Anonymous No.19352175]

>>19349198
>get mad, call it stale when people post le reddit fedora
>still uses 'skydaddy' unironically in the year of our lord 2021
Atheists never fail to amuse.

[Anonymous No.19352188]

>>19352165
>It's totally different because Aristotle was talking about city states not nation states!
Pretty advanced cope there. Regardless ethnic homogeneity is absolutely necessary for the proper function of any society, on that Aristotle is clear. How you want to split that nation up into administrative groups is irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.19352226]

>cope ITT

Whether God exists or not is a factual question. Why would anyone believe a falsehood because of its purported societal effects? This is how you get trad LARPers who don't believe in God but pretend to in order to own the libs. I can't take posters like >>19349159 seriously as they're obviously insincere atheists themselves.

[Anonymous No.19352233]

>>19352226
>Why would anyone believe a falsehood because of its purported societal effects?
This implies that you can't infer the truth from social effects. The ancient philosophers were quite happy to go from ethical conclusions to metaphysical conclusions because they were more committed to having a completely rational worldview that compassed metaphysics and ethics as well as epistemology. Moderns are much too focused on epistemology and trying to maintain certitude at the cost of destroying the rational basis of their ethics and metaphysics.

[Anonymous No.19352236]

Existence here is defined as that which physically is and is unchanging. That is, anything that physically is not or is not unchanging does not exist.

"The Bible", as in "THE Bible", the "Abstract Bible", "The Original Bible", "The Eternal Bible" physically does not exist. Furthermore, for those physical instances of those things that are named the Bible, of these, the same Bible is never read twice.

> The same Bible is never read twice.

Pic related. When your hands get onto the Bible, the dirty grease and grime get onto it and change the pages and the ink. Your brain receives light from an object physically different from what it was a while before and then it processes it. You subvocalize it and read it and it makes sense. If you apparently read the same page again, you've physically read something else and that hasn't even accounted for the different day and time you read it in. Furthermore, suppose that for argument, you are immortal and read the Bible again and again and again, until pages crumble off and you repair it by replacing it with other pages. Let this be repeated again and again until all the original pages are crumbled and replaced and eventually the spine is too.

> Is that same thing the same Bible?

By definition, "The Bible" does not exist.

[Anonymous No.19352282]

>>19352233
>This implies that you can't infer the truth from social effects.
Which is obviously the case. Religion might be false, yet beneficial for society. Many people have believed this.
>The ancient philosophers were quite happy to go from ethical conclusions to metaphysical conclusions because they were more committed to having a completely rational worldview
"Ancient philosophers" were not a monolith and many of them disagreed with you. Plato was the inventor of the Noble Lie, btw. In the Republic he advocates teaching the populace falsehoods in the name of social cohesion. This is not an ancient/moderns distinction.

I feel sorry for the posters above who are obviously atheistic yet for political reasons feel the need to propagate a religion they have no faith.

[Anonymous No.19352469]

[Anonymous No.19352484]

>>19352282
>Which is obviously the case
This isn't very convincing. It's quite obvious that in any coherent worldview you should be able to go back from ethics to metaphysics.

>"Ancient philosophers" were not a monolith and many of them disagreed with you.
Which ones? Not Plato.

>Plato was the inventor of the Noble Lie, btw
Has nothing to do with making sure your ethics match up with your metaphysics. A noble lie might be needed by Plato wasn't lying about God existing.

>I feel sorry for the posters above who are obviously atheistic yet for political reasons feel the need to propagate a religion they have no faith.
Why? Being religious for political reasons is as a matter of fact better than being any kind of atheist. It's actually far more rational so these people have a more rational position than you do, surprising as it might seem to you.

[Anonymous No.19352533]

>>19349119
I'd like to see the numbers for the nordic countries. Paganism attracts a very different crowd than the lgbt here

[Anonymous No.19352599]

>>19349111
Partially based.
t. theist

[Anonymous No.19352615]

>>19349095
This false dichotomy and Christianity's insistence on pushing it is exactly why Christianity's fate is sealed and will continue to die off as time progresses. Now all that will be left are those too afraid to admit their lack of absolute faith and the Solaires and Don Quixotes of the world.

Should've listened to Jung.

[Anonymous No.19352674]

>>19350469
The delusion. It's....so amazing.

[Anonymous No.19352683]

>>19352168
They were subjected to a lot of dysgenic practices. Europe, China were all culling and finishing the subaltern, literal subhumans since last few centuries. Caste system preserves the genetically undesirables. In that manner, Hinduism is really at fault.

[Anonymous No.19353537]

>>19351759
I made this post^

I meant to say: "As for Islam, same thing *as Hinduism*."

Regardless I am still looking for an answer to this. What will be the religion for the white man moving forward. I should elaborate that for Islam I think my main apprehension would be a similar critique as the one that I gave to Hinduism. I look at the middle east, and I see the product of what Islamic culture has created, and it does not give a good first impression. However, compared to most other major religions, when it concerns Islam, I am embarrassingly uninformed. So I decided to go to the library, and to start off, I wanted to take the most interesting book I could find, just to really get me into it. I decided on 'Jihadi Culture: The Art and Social Practices of Militant Islamists' from Cambridge University Press. Why did I choose this book specifically, because when I opened it, pic related was the first thing I saw, and then I knew I just had to read it.

Thanks for opening your brain legs and letting my blogpost fill you to the brim

[Anonymous No.19353597]

>>19352168
India was not like that in the past. Something happened during their process of industrialization or modernization that was dysgenic. That doesn't mean their cultural or historical legacy was at fault, just that modernization and industrialization wasn't good for them.

[Anonymous No.19353651]

It's surprising that you can have a bunch of fedora tipping gentlemen (like the ones in this thread) and full on ortho-schizoids (in Seraphim Rose thread) in one place!
4chan is truly a place which unites opposites.

[Anonymous No.19353658]

>>19353651
they're not opposites at all, they're just atomized westerners grasping for copes

[Anonymous No.19353745]

The bibble

[Anonymous No.19353859]

>>19349119
>gay people join a religion that doesn't persecute them
truly befuddling, for what reason would they do that?

[Anonymous No.19353874]

>>19349095
Reading books inherently promotes apostasy - every an who ever wrote or read books was eventually shown to be an apostate.

So, the only solid cure from apostasy is not reading, period. Only the illiterate who depend on the ordained clergy for their access to scripture can be safe.

[Anonymous No.19354050]

>>19353651
Your meme will never make God real

[Anonymous No.19354287]

>>19349095
What kind of sack is that?

[Anonymous No.19354456]

>>19354287
A sack filled with the tears of coping christfucks

[Anonymous No.19354473]

>>19349119
Is it an overgeneralization to say that neopagans are either fat lesbian witch roleplayers or natsocs?

[Anonymous No.19354490]

>>19354473
Is it an overgeneralization that Christians are either obese creationist rednecks in Walmart scooters or sophistic incel LARPers?

[Anonymous No.19354564]

>>19349191
I don't understand what the point of this line of thought is. I mean the general thrust is obvious
>look professor weissman I historicized the thing that means it doesn't real!!
but the content is ridiculous. You're trying to imply that the forms of association prior to the racism of the American experience (i.e. invention of whiteness) were somehow more inclusive while simultaneously admitting that
>people almost solely cared about their local environment and those directly around them
which means that in historical perspective modern racism is actually substantially more inclusive than the instantiations of "racism" in the ancient world, those being tribalism, familism, and localism. Back then you would consider only some dozens to thousands of people to be of your tribe, so I guess going back and telling the Goths they're the same as the Danes or the Greeks they're the same as the English would be absurd but for precisely the opposite reason that you're implying

[Anonymous No.19354594]

>>19354564
>which means that in historical perspective modern racism is actually substantially more inclusive than the instantiations of "racism" in the ancient world, those being tribalism, familism, and localism.
Except of course that local environment didn't include skin color, nor were any of those people aware of the biological mechanism that Francis Galton would bastardize to develop his version social darwinism. Nice try though

[Anonymous No.19354615]

>>19349095
Not a christcuck but that image is obviously true and a fine example of why slippery slope isn't really a fallacy in the way people use it. If you progressively remove the divine and supernatural elements from your concept of religion you're just depriving the actually religious aspect of religion from religion which turns it into a self-negating thing. It just spirals into relativism and utilitarianism at the end. Though I have to say the guy at the bottom of the staircase rules Society to this day following a secularized and de-semitized new testament philosophy. I remember Dostoevsky describing this process as the church becoming the state when speaking of the liberalism and irreligion of Lutheran countries

[Anonymous No.19354634]

>>19354594
This. The instantiations of "racism" in the ancient world were in fact xenophobia, which frequently had absolutely no racial angle to it.

[Anonymous No.19354672]

>>19354594
You're just repeating the same bullshit. Local environment only doesn't necessarily imply same skin color in post-industrial Western societies. Unless you're seriously contending that there were random pasty white dudes running around in Nigeria for no reason 5000 years ago. I'll make a better argument for you:
>a Sicilian woman washed across the world on a log and ended up in Beijing. She married a man from the Hu family from Beijing. Racists btfo we are all the human race.
In this case the "Hu-ness" is the factor that allows the woman to join the Hu family. "Hu-ness" is a more exclusive form of identity than Italian, Chinese, Sicilian, White, Asian, because perhaps in the Beijing of the period immediate family membership was the primary object of identity. Going back in time and telling the Hu family patriarch that he is of the same substance as all the other gorillions of families around him would be the absurdity

[Anonymous No.19355985]

>>19349178
>>19349269
>oy vey

[N E M O . !!GgBWHLRiayD No.19356907]

>>19349095

No books, but, rather, virtue; virtuous individuals are sinless, which is why the ethicomoral precepts of Catholicism are automatically intuitive to noble individuals, and why Catholicism —depured of Judaism— constitutes the armour of gnosis.

Addendum: the notion of the Judaized Bible being infallible is "Protestantistic" in origin; faith is not a coping mechanism for ignorance.

[Anonymous No.19357020]

>>19352484
>This isn't very convincing. It's quite obvious that in any coherent worldview you should be able to go back from ethics to metaphysics.
"quite obvious" as in "I'll just make something up and assert it's true", sure.
>Which ones? Not Plato.
>Has nothing to do with making sure your ethics match up with your metaphysics. A noble lie might be needed by Plato wasn't lying about God existing.
Dude, Plato sanctioned all sorts of lies about the nature of the gods in the cause of social cohesion. He did not believe that ethics could prove epistemic and metaphysical truth, but exactly the opposite: that epistemic and metaphysical *falsehoods* were justified by ethics.
>Why? Being religious for political reasons is as a matter of fact better than being any kind of atheist.
One who is religious for political reasons is functionally an atheist, since they lack true belief in religion.
On another level, it is deeply immoral. Truth is a virtue in and of itself. That one could say "I believe X purely because I think it would have good consequences if X were true" is the mark of a deeply corrupted character who does not care about the virtue of truth.
>It's actually far more rational so these people have a more rational position than you do, surprising as it might seem to you.
Is this really how you argue? Are you 13 years old?

[Anonymous No.19357201]

>>19357020
>"quite obvious" as in "I'll just make something up and assert it's true", sure.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander. You were the one who first asserted your contention was "obviously the case", I merely retorted in kind. You'd need to justify your position before I'm obliged to justify mine.

>He did not believe that ethics could prove epistemic and metaphysical truth
You haven't actually read Plato have you? You're trying to get a lot of milage out of the "noble lie" but you're misrepresenting Platos position and vastly overestimating it's importance in his overall philosophy. The noble lie is merely the observation that sometimes an accepted falsehood is more beneficial for society than a hard truth which is quite obviously true. This does not mean Plato was not committed to the truth or thought it is acceptable to stop seeking truth, indeed the "noble lie" is specifically for the masses, not the philosophers who lead them. Plato believes you can go from ethics to metaphysical truth but he didn't believe that all people were prepared to go through the same path to reach said truth.

>Is this really how you argue? Are you 13 years old?
It's simply true. Accepting religion for practical benefit is more rational than accepting atheism knowing it's corruptive and corrosive effects. Of course accepting religion because it's self evidently true is the best but obviously there a lot of people like yourself who are unable to properly comprehend proper philosophical argument and so must be led by your intellectual betters.

[Anonymous No.19357937]

>>19349178
>>19349269
>Jesus said that you should allow people to kill your entire family and then thank them and give them all your possessions... don't you read the bible nazi????
Lmao the most superficial understanding of Christian doctrine EVER. For centuries MONARCHS executed people while being God's representatives among men... and the pope himself was the one who called for the crusades... jesus was teaching good values for if you're chilling out under the romans. What're you gonna do to romans? lmao you get got is what. but in 2021 its different. if Jesus was alive today he would've drunk coca cola and shot niggers

[Anonymous No.19357950]

>>19349119
Why do we accept studies where they ask a sampling of people and then extrapolate that to be the percentage of an entire group?

You didn’t ask everyone, how could you know for sure? Why is this accepted in science?

[Anonymous No.19357969]

>>19349201
Disagreeing with faith-based religion doesn't automatically make you a degenerate?
I expected better from /lit/ of all places

[Anonymous No.19357972]

>>19349119
fucking """bisexual""" white women are a plague on the gay community*

*(but not as big a plague as aids lol)

[Anonymous No.19357979]

>>19350065
>pastor Anderson
this high-pitched manlet is almost as insufferable as varg.

[Anonymous No.19358018]

Works of fr. Pierre Teilhard de Chardin SI.