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I am in absolute awe of this man's life and work

>> No.19340996

read the 1929 translation, the 1960's translation is for transvestites

>> No.19341009

>>19340979
>Like portion hath he that abideth at home, and if one warreth his best, and in one honour are held both the coward and the brave; death cometh alike to the idle man and to him that worketh much.

You'll never be like him. Liking him won't make you special, either. Your life is about yourself rather than worshipping images of others. The sooner you realise this the sooner you'll be happy.

>> No.19341012

>>19340996
The 1960 version has far superior prose and is more engaging.

>> No.19341016

>>19340979
He was a kraut lol

>> No.19341022

>>19341012
>owie old wurds hurt my head :((

>> No.19341023

What should we read of his after Storm of Steel?

>> No.19341026

>>19341016
Better than an amerinigger.

>> No.19341031

I'm thinking of reading A German Officer in Occupied Paris sometime soon. Somebody should try to convince me to read it.
>>19341022
Rart.

>> No.19341035

>>19341009
there is no substance in this post

>> No.19341066

>>19341023
The other translations you haven't read.

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>>19340979
>>19341016
>>19341035
I fucking love german ww1 literature bros and no amount of seething will change that

>> No.19341183

Read Roald Dahl's Flying Solo, he was kind of a chad also.

>> No.19341195

>>19341080
this and same. possibly the peak of euro lit

>> No.19341198

>>19340979
Hey Elon!

>> No.19341203

A German Officer in Occupied Paris doesn't even have a wikipedia page

>> No.19341222

>>19340979
Incredible man. He lived a truly rich and full life, war hero, deep thinker, author, entomologist, one of the first people ever to try LSD.. Truly a fearless adventurer. Sadly, there's no place for men like him in the 21st Century, he was one of ther last of his kind

>>19341031
"Alles war Macht." It's a fascinating read. There are very few diaries of German WWII forces that come even close to the intelligence, depth of perspective, and sharp observations displayed in this book.

>>19341080
>"The ideal of creating a new man after the bloodletting of the trenches stemmed from the belief that this sort of war had produced a new type of individual [...] Amoral, cool, functional, and hardened, he could withstand the ultimate test of battle without his nerves cracking. [...] Matter-of-factness thus marked the new man, who replaced the romantic relics of a failed bourgeois age with the image of mechanical precision."
— Stephen G. Fritz, on the 1920s ideal of The New German Man
Honestly if this holds true then I am not surprised, high-cultured and highly educated boys entering a hellscape of trenches, gas and death-machines.. No wonder some exceptional art, and especially writing, came from this.

>> No.19341508

>>19340979
He's not a good writer or an original thinker

>> No.19341690

Does jungerfag have a chart for what to read?

>> No.19341701

>>19340979
He is the arch alpha chad. Greatest of the great. You either marvel at him or you are lying to yourself.

>> No.19341708

>>19340979
>1960's
Damn you're still online instead of editing your book.

>> No.19341713

>>19341701
He was anti-chad which makes him even more based

>> No.19341770

>>19340996
>cry in the other thread about muh translations
>first post muh translation
Does twitter really?

>> No.19341786

>>19341080
I've never read this one. I just found out there are several translations. Which is the best one do you think?

>> No.19341787

>>19340979
How many people do you think he killed?

>> No.19341805

>>19341786
Jungerposter did a comparison and you lose more with the 1929 edition. It's also a bad translation with bad editing.

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>>19341508
Ngmi, clearly you didn't understand the excitement of reading this man's book, knowing that the epics of history are just fabrications. Aeneas didn't escape Troy, Odysseus didn't defeat the suitors and Dracula never left his castle. Yet this man can write of men cracking jokes on there deathbed in order to cheer up the men lying around him.

>> No.19341812

>>19341809
Caesar's writings exist.

>> No.19341819

>>19341809
This just sounds like a meme.

>> No.19341825

>>19341508
Fascinating and unique life experience can compensate for much of that.

>> No.19341839

A review of the 1929. Had the same experience.
>Good book, but very poor editing
>Reviewed in the United States on February 3, 2021
>Junger's book is probably the definitive account of World War I on the western front and it's certainly worth reading. It's nice to have the original 1929 translation, however, I only give it two stars because the text is rife with misspellings and other basic errors. There are so many mistakes that it severely detracts from the enjoyment of the book. I wasn't expecting perfection in a $10 book but this level of carelessness is embarrassing.

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19341880

The 1929 vs Penguin

>> No.19341884

>>19341880
From this thread
>>/lit/thread/S19208613

>> No.19341891

>>19341884
And this one has more discussion plus jungerposter's analysis of the translations
>>/lit/thread/S19004570

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Chart

>> No.19342033
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>>19341979
Actual chart.

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New edition. Anyone have it?

>> No.19342826

>>19342061
No but all his books are good.

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>>19340996
>>19341012
which translation this one uses? I was about to buy it

>> No.19342939

>>19341809
God. heroism is so cringe.

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>>19341222
>Sadly, there's no place for men like him in the 21st Century

>> No.19342982

>>19341979
goddam cringe

>> No.19342987

>>19342875
It uses the best translation, Michael Hofmann's.

>> No.19343121

>>19342875
Hofmann. Looks like there were two published the same year and only difference is cover.

>> No.19343151

>>19342061
>Revised edition. This fixes the errors, typos, and poor editing of the original 1929 version of Storm of Steel. Nothing else has been changed, the advantages of Basil Creighton's otherwise excellent translation are preserved.

>> No.19343338

>>19342987
>>19343121
is it the 1929 or 1960 one?
I'm searching for it but haven't found an answer yet

>> No.19343617

>>19343338
1929 is Creighton
1960 is Hofmann
Penguin is the second one. 1960

>> No.19343792

>>19340979
>Fought in the worst war in history and came out a war hero
>Fought in the (((worst war in history))) and was deckrated for bravery sabing a wounded comrade
>Instead of commiting atrocities against civilians he took a desk job and dicked around in paris with picasso and celine
>Was connected to Stauffenberg's attemted assassination of Hitler, was protected from percecution by Hitler himself
>Praised by left and right wingers

It's over bros we found the basedest one

>> No.19343886 [DELETED] 

>>19343792
>understood by neither

>> No.19343908
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>>19343792
>Praised by left and right
>understood by neither

>> No.19343935

testerino

>> No.19344271

>>19342033
>reading eumeswil before heliopolis
i agree it's the superior work, but you should read heliopolis first
also
>arbeiter listed as supplementary
just no, it's like a singular radical culmination af all his interwar publications, if you wan't to understand jünger assessing modernity read this book

>> No.19344290

>>19341979
whoever made this chart has never read jünger

>> No.19344428
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19344428

Why does this seemingly only exist in French? Anyone know if there will be an english version? I'm seething

>> No.19344439

>>19344290
Liberals can't understand Junger.

>> No.19344448

>>19344271
Is Heliopolis in English?

>> No.19344999

The 1929 comes with a funkopop which is highly based.

>> No.19345063

>>19344428
Isn't it like 1000 pages?

>> No.19345262

>>19342939
>>19342982
cringe

>> No.19345380

>>19342939
How is heroism cringe?

>> No.19345403

>>19344428
The Cotta Klett version is in German

>> No.19345832

Jungerfags, what did he mean when he said the nazis weren't extreme enough to win the war?

>> No.19346009
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>>19345832
He was right adolf is just too soft for his own good

>> No.19346014

>>19346009
I miss him bros. Too bad Junger went bourgeois.

>> No.19346019

>>19340979
He cute.

>> No.19346054

>>19342939
i look up to your mom

>> No.19346405

>>19345832
Cringe

>> No.19346713

>>19344290
Probably never read a book either.

>> No.19346728

>>19340979
Makes you wonder how many other great men were shot to pieces in the war and never got the chance to leave their mark.

>> No.19347389

>>19346728
A lot

>> No.19348292

Should I read On the Marble Cliffs next?

>> No.19349238

>>19344271
It's pretty good.

>> No.19349478

>It seemed to me very clever of the English to bombard us with poetry, and also very flattering to us. A war in which one fought with verses would indeed be a treat.
So this is the scary 1929 edition?

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>> No.19349638

>>19349614
Cringe

>> No.19349681
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>>19342033

>> No.19349721

>>19349638
filtered

>> No.19349766

>>19342033
>>19344271
I think anon was trying to ease people into reading him, and focused on his fiction. From everything I've read people have an incredibly hard time with The Worker, although I agree with you that it is essential.
If I did a chart I would probably begin with The Worker, On the Marble Cliffs, and Visit to Godenholm, as these were what Jünger said were the most significant turning points in his writing, when whole new worlds opened up to him. And Storm of Steel should be obvious here too.
But then there is the problem that Marble Cliffs, Heliopolis, and Eumeswil are something of a trilogy. As are On Pain, Total Mobilisation, and The Worker. Perhaps The Forest Passage, An der Zeitmauer, and Die Schere are another.

So it can be hard to make an ideal chart, plus the difficulty of some of the works not being available in English.

>> No.19349769

>>19349766
And would Storm of Steel, Copse, and Sturm be something of a trilogy as well? Or maybe Combat as Inner Experience.

>> No.19349854

>>19345380
He’s just a tranny who’s buttmad because no one considers cutting your cock off to be a heroic act.

>> No.19349893

>>19341809
>epics of history are just fabrications
I'm curious about what you mean. Expand?

>> No.19350797

>>19349854
Does Junger write about heroism?

>> No.19351826

Bump

>> No.19352166

>>19341023
On the Marble Cliffs.

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>>19341195
seems to me the stuff coming from the trenches on the other side was far better

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For me it's the 1920 version B-)

>> No.19352240

>>19341080
Read The Wanderer Between the Two Worlds

>> No.19352244

>>19349681
Is this finished?

>> No.19352266

>>19340979
He looks like an old Will Herold wtf

>> No.19352268

>>19352227
"Wald von Gault! O Montmirails Hügel! O Sümpfe und Moore,
Wo das heiße Geschütz tiefer und tiefer versinkt!
Vitry! Sermaize! Ihr Festen der Maas, die der ehernen Mörser
Wuchtige Sprenglast begrüßt! Sommergefilde der Schlacht!
Näher nie war euch, o Krieger, der Sieg. O wär es geendet,
Euer der Kranz, dessen Laub herbstlich und rot sich verfärbt.
Doch es zwingt der verhaßte Befehl zurück euch, das Wagnis
Scheuend, und raubt euch die Frucht mühvoll errungenen Siegs. "

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>>19340979
>Epitomized the Germanic warrior ideal
>Still shunned the nazis
Hitler on suicide watch

>> No.19353752

>>19352274
based

>> No.19353825

I have read the Mystery Grove edition of the 1929 translation but I wasn't overly impressed by the prose (plus the editing was horrible, but that's the publisher's fault). Is there a better translation you might point me towards?

>> No.19353880

Is eumeswil worth reading

>> No.19353907

>>19352274
A petulant ironybro who called the nazis phony because they weren‘t doing minecrafts then when the nazis started doing minecrafts called them cringe for it

Are zogbots the same everywhere, even without the zog?

>> No.19354018

>>19353825
Penguin is the only other option. It's pretty good.

>> No.19355019

>>19342939
Weak.

>> No.19355058

>>19352274
he shunned the nazis for their supposed materialism and plebeianism though so more interesting than libshit and gommie critics, just speaks to his overall free-thinker/sovereign man image

>> No.19355062

>>19353907
Try to get some sun today.

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>>19349614

>> No.19355829

>>19355434
>twitter
Into the trash it goes.

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>You will never leap out of the trench enlivened by Junger's spartan mindset
>You will never hurl grenades and hand bombs at anybody and everybody
>You will never sit in a trench with a man festooned with weapons and the canopy of war and watch while he accidentally pulls a grenade pin out of a live grenade in his pocket
>You will never return to your trenches after a stroll through no mans land to stolen British jam

Why even bother?

>> No.19356006

>>19341979
>Siege
kek

>> No.19356216

>>19342939
>Even modern battle has its great moments. One hears it said very often, and very mistakenly, that the infantry battle had denigrated to an uninteresting butchery. On the contrary, today more than ever it is the individual that counts. Everyone knows that who has seen them in their own realm, these princes of the trenches, with their hard, set faces, brave to madness, tough and agile to leap forward or back, with keen bloodthirsty nerves, whom no despatch ever mentions. Trench warfare is the bloodiest, wildest, and most brutal of all warfare, yet it too has had its men; men whom the call of the hour has raised up. Unknown, foolhardy fighters. Of all the nerve-racking moments of the war none is so formidable as the meeting of two storm-troop leaders between the narrow walls of the trench. There is no retreat and no mercy then. Blood sounds in the shrill cry that is wrung like a nightmare from the breast.

>Let thousands, nay millions, die; what meaning have these rivers of blood in comparison with a state, into which flow all the disquiet and longing of the German being!

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>>19356216
One of the great recurring images in Storm of Steel is that of the man who becomes lost to his trigger-finger; standing like a hunter, still and alone in a dark field. Each shot a test, everything rests upon it, and he is willing to carry each shot to the grave with him. One even finds himself firing past all limits of the machine, forgetting its limitations.
The men before him appear like rabbits scurrying for the bushes. And it is here that war becomes an endless chase, One forgets that combat is a confrontation, and so will die where he stands, not knowing that he has been lit up like a star in a field. Or perhaps he simply no longer cares, a welcome finality.

In the oldest myths this is also where the warriors appear lower than the huntress, Atalanta. They even appear foolish, incapable, as if something had been lost to them. All of the first heroes were hunters, and in the Iliad the greatest warriors are hunters and farmers - a service to which they all hope to return, and that the war itself is dedicated to. Thus, war is itself a decline, or its possibility - of the laws of the forest, the simple heroism of pre-historic times. The King is forced to return to Artemis what is hers. Even at the cost of every hero. Blood is one of the sacrifices of dominion, and even legendary heroes are but leaves fallen to the forest floor. Homer's image of the great pines and oaks is only extended because of the reach of the war - it is the end of historical time. All connection to the primitive, Golden Age heroes,and their way of life is lost.

One sees also the height of Rome and its fall in this. The imperial cult where there is no longer a distinction between man, god, and titan. The streets are lined with their images, but this is also an end to natural dedications.
As Goethe says of the sculptures of goddesses: they must not be seen giving birth. The hero is the same, he cannot be seen in birth, or death. But there is a danger in this that the image of the mother - for the Romans, the wolf - also becomes lost.

>> No.19356589

>>19356584
The fear of heroism is what accounts for the treatment of the dead after The Great War. Of course, it is an immense project, how does one bury entire continents worth of men? And men long lost, rotted away, even disappeared and forgotten by those who were standing next to them? It is why Vimy is the only truly beautiful monument, treading the line of being despised and revered. In it the mother gods of virtue grieve for their lost sons. A betrayal of the laws of monuments, but perhaps a final necessity, the only way a monument could be appropriate in our time - the flight of the gods and a new chasm at the center of the earth, The Unknown Soldier heralds the end of the species, and all those individuals who dedicated themselves to a final act of heroism - the last stand of Europe, or its beginning.

The conservative position is also weak in this, as one holds to the historical heroes, the great men who may have had power in their time but in no way match the laws of the new heroism. Thus their heroes, and their service, are forgotten. Day by day a weakening of loyalty, and their connection to the great states with it. All one can do is excavate images of the old states, like the disappeared men of the Great Trenches of Europe. The conservative seeks to bury himself beneath the chasm, another betrayal of aesthetic laws, but one which will serve no purpose.
The real image of the war is certainly not beautiful, and perhaps even Homer would have difficulty finding the words. But as a rough analogy we can say that forests the size of the New World sink into the smouldering mud of the earth.
"Wald von Gault! O Montmirails Hügel! O Sümpfe und Moore,
Wo das heiße Geschütz tiefer und tiefer versinkt!"

Perhaps there is little possibility of heroism in this, yet Orion is the first and last of heroes, eternal in the sky - because of him the entire earth and every creature is given open season. And his dog - still chasing in that silent mastery which traverses forests without their having been felled - patiently at a distance, yet heeled. The entirety of the earth lit up in the reflection of the oceans. Loyalty is not heroism, but it is the great peace of a service which always awaits return.
"Society tames the wolf into a dog." And Garmr frees the wolf, tames him in his own way.

>> No.19356628

>>19349614
>>19355434
The fuck is this image from? You type in "Yoruba breeding program 1977" and an article of Junger shows up but nothing else. This is a stupid shitpost right?

>> No.19356675

>>19356584
>in the Iliad the greatest warriors are hunters and farmers
who would that be?
or have you taken the hunting similes literally

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>>19356675
Chiron told me at the centauromachy.

>> No.19356875

What are his best biographies? In English and German.

>> No.19357040

>>19341508
this is correct

>> No.19357827

>>19357761
HOW DARE HE MENTION OTHER PEOPLE!

>> No.19357754

>>19356675
>or have you taken the hunting similes literally
Cringe

>> No.19357761

I kek'd way too hard in that one documentary when I started spitting fax regarding the wave offerings of the ancient Hebrews like DAMN KEEP GOIN YEAH THIS SOME GOOOD SHIT MAN

>> No.19357768

>>19357754
sorry what?

>> No.19357957

>>19357768
I cringed at your post.

>> No.19357980

>>19355058
sounds extremely based
I must read him now

>> No.19357994

>>19357957
eh?

>> No.19358844

>>19357980
Do it

>> No.19358992

He’s a great author but “I’m a seismograph” is an ultimately true remark. He has few, if any, solutions for the great majority of readers and, in fact, his writing can lead down a certain rabbit hole not all that different from the sort he tried to move away from. My relationship with his books is love-hate.

>> No.19359023

>>19356675
>similes
Cringe
>>19356803
Holy Based

>> No.19359633

He's a great author and thinker.

>> No.19359700

>>19352266
Actor or real?

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>>19340979
made this, making "der anarch" now

>> No.19360559

>>19359844
Looks pretty good

>> No.19361162

>>19358992
Mostly hate

>> No.19362041

>>19341979
what is path of the gods? i havent heard of that one before. nazis are cringe but some fash literature is still interesting.

>> No.19362166

>>19341979
Is this a joke? He called for mass resistance to the Nazis in Waldgang.

>> No.19362204

>>19345832
>>19346009
Cringe,and what a dumb nigger. Nazis lost because they were too aggressive and impatient. They actually made the same mistake as Napoleon. lol
I won't be reading any of his shit books.

>> No.19362226

>>19345832
>>19362204
Junger never said that. Don't fall for the bait of the obvious samefag trying to undermine every thread.

>> No.19362514

>>19356584
>>19356589
Underrated post.

>> No.19362592

>>19344439
nazis also

>> No.19363101

>>19353880
Its incredible

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"The barrage lasts days, weeks, months, and he sits and waits under the bell, consumed by himself and his thoughts, close to death, in the same hole as it. Is it only duty that can keep him here? It is the situation in which he finds himself, the compulsive and mechanical intertwining of events in his life from which he cannot escape, that holds him back. After all, desertion is not an option, nor is suicide. It is the fearless who realise the depth of this dilemma, this compulsive confusion. Those who are fearful are more frightened by the hopelessness of what is happening. One feels that nothing will change if one locks oneself up and gets lost. His fate is part of a common, all-encompassing destiny, which creates a community between friend and foe and sustains the struggle. In this situation, the soldier no longer feels like a hero. He may be brave, patient and self-sacrificing, but he feels that he is no longer a hero in the sense of the word, which suggests an unharmed man in an unharmed environment. He no longer possesses the healing powers of a hero. Even the humble ability to organise has been taken away from him. He no longer has any environment, because everything around him has fallen victim to destruction, and he himself, for all his courage and tenacity, is a broken man, in that state of brokenness which arises from no longer being able to cope with an indestructible whole. It is he who, in the end, becomes the main prey of the event and on whom all destruction is tested. It is in the bravest and most tenacious fighter that it is most deeply tested. The material struggle, for all its lack of ideas and planning, is a picture of a man ensnared by his own causal thinking, and destroyed by his own machine. The futility of these efforts, equal to poverty, is still hidden from man. The images that appear before him, that monotonously surround him in the material struggle, he cannot yet relate to his own will, the opposite of which appears here before him."

>> No.19363153

>>19340979
if he's so great why did they lose

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>>19340979
any suggestions for "der anarch" chart?

>> No.19363287

>>19363204
Seneca?
Xenophon? The philosophy of hunting? Depends on how supplementary you want to be.
There is The Opposing Shore, which may be the closest to Eumeswil. And Ex Captivitate Salus, the Christian Epimetheus may be the closest there is to another figure of the Anarch. Or The Titan.
Goethe's morphology and primal words are similar, as are the Hölderlin poems. It is a bit of shorthand for those without access to the German as well. Maybe Approaches and Godenholm (which applies to the worker as well)
Hesiod may be more appropriate here as well, as the mythic discussion is not explicit in The Worker.

And where would you put Marble Cliffs and Aladdin's Problem? Aladdin's is a bit of a preliminary, and Marble Cliffs may fit here or with the Forest Rebel.

Ortega, apart from the hunting connection, is interesting for his historical theories, technological works, and philosophy of history which is related to An der Zeitmauer and the more general criticisms of Spengler's work.

>> No.19363331
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>>19363204

>> No.19363370

>>19363287
Honestly, I thought about incorporating heliopolis, approaches, and godenholm, but I'm hesitant as I wanted to make a separate "hofmann psychonaut cIrcle" chart. I think heliopolis would be the most significant of the three, because I've always thought of antonio as a proto-anarch figure.
I will also definitely look into ortega, and haven't been sure of where to place goethe/holderlin in junger's corpus. Do you think gebser would work well? I doubt he was a direct inspiration on eumeswil, but gebser's focus on time-freedom within a metahistorical context seems very up this alley.
I also desperately think I should put rip van winkle in there, because it is the most accessible example of the anarch I have ever found.

>> No.19363372

>>19363370
Heliopolis is in English somewhere?

>> No.19363412

>>19363370
Sounds good to me. I was just thinking you were going with the worker-forest rebel-anarch morphology.
i was discussing with someone recently that there could be one or infinite figures. And a more incongruous or playful type of chart is fitting for Jünger, rather than a strict reading system.

Goethe and Hölderlin could probably go anywhere really, they are very close to the figures as I understand them. But seem most appropriate with the Anarch or Forest Rebel.
I am not familiar with Gebser, but will look into him now. Sounds interesting.
The Rip Van Winkle reference also seems like a nice touch.

>> No.19363418

>>19363370
Also, are you the Heidegger/Dreams poster? Or were you involved in that thread?
I would like to continue or finalize that discussion. Think about it a fair bit.

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>>19363372
pretty sure marsilio publishers used to have one
>>19363412
I'm hesitant to put faust in, and I'm not familiar with enough of holderlin's work to know what to put in the chart. I, personally, am fascinated with goethe's theory of colors, as was junger, but I also think that would be better suited for a hofmann chart
Gebser was a successor of klages. His thoughts on time in relation to mutations in cognition seems like it would've been up jugner's alley.
>>19363418
No sorry, I'm the charles williams poster, who happens to also be a big junger, klages, gebser fan. Here's another chart I made.

>> No.19363497

>>19363372
>Vantage Press (defunct)
>1987
>William Eickhorst (translator)
I tried with godenholm, now I will carry on with trying get heliopolis in english

>> No.19363569

>>19363497
Did you get it?

>> No.19363604

>>19363497
They all seem to be Portuguese.

>> No.19363676

dieser mann in meinem land er ist nichts

>> No.19364097

>>19340979
With which book is it better to start reading Jünger?

>> No.19364300

>>19341979
Bait?

>> No.19364342

>DUDE TRENCH WARFARE FUCKING SUCKS AAAAAHHHHH I THINK IM GOING INSANE. TECHNOLOGY LE BAD

>> No.19365385

>>19364097
Storm of Steel