/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.19338986]

>If you are distressed by anything external, the pain is not due to the thing itself, but to your estimate of it; and this you have the power to revoke at any moment.
>*refutes his philosophy by forcing him to put hand on cooking stove"

[Anonymous No.19339023]

>2013+3+2+1+1+1
>Willingly letting your own body experience pain
Do you even read?

[Anonymous No.19339098]

>>19338986
but this is his point exactly
a strong enough will could bear the pain of the cooking stove without feeling it
like auto-hypnotic analgesia

[Anonymous No.19339324]

>>19338986
you can experience pain without suffering.

[Anonymous No.19340306]

>>19338986
>*gets hit in the head*
>becomes dribbling retard

[Anonymous No.19341781]

>>19338986
stoics mismanaged their slaves & farmers and that's why the most non-boring empire that ever existed came to a screeching halt

[Anonymous No.19341802]

>>19339098
though you probably couldn’t bear the consequence of a cooked hand

[Anonymous No.19341816]

>>19338986
You're obviously not Muciuspilled.

[Anonymous No.19341851]

>>19339098
Helps having a Gom Jabbar pointed at your carotid.

[Anonymous No.19341876]

You don't even know what you're capable of.

[Anonymous No.19342205]

>>19341802
>let's wager $500 you are not stoic enough to cut off your cock and balls

[Anonymous No.19343831]

>>19341876
Yeah dude apparently he didn't even scream as he was burning alive

[Anonymous No.19343854]

>>19343831
The most pain he made visible was the slight look of discomfort you see on his face in that picture.

[Anonymous No.19343864]

>>19338986
>Hand on hot stove? Ouchie!!
LMAO poor zoom zoom who has never cooked for themself.

[Anonymous No.19343874]

>>19338986
>refuted by Frank Herbert
https://youtu.be/kJsYKhEV6o0

[Anonymous No.19343905]

>>19343854
>Gee whiz that really smarts

[Anonymous No.19343966]

>>19339098
What stoics apparently fail to realize is that the ability to ignore pain is typically counter-intuitive to one's own wellbeing
You are literally trying to disable your own heuristic system evolved over millennia because you are that desperate to cope
Stoicism really is just stupid when you lay it all out

[Anonymous No.19344090]

Philosophy shouldn't be read by children.

[Anonymous No.19344131]

>>19343966
Why is it counter-intuitive to one's own wellbeing? Well-being is contained in the mind, what does it matter if one loses a finger, a limb, a hand? The stoic prefers to keep them, so as to not be impaired, but a hand, a foot, a finger are not requirements for living the good life, their loss is like a farmer losing a tool, inconvenient perhaps, but not a part of him

[Anonymous No.19344135]

>>19343966
>t. fat fuck who thinks sitting all day and eating shitty food is healthy because it makes your brain fuzzy

[Anonymous No.19344159]

>>19339098
>a strong enough will could bear the pain of the cooking stove without feeling it
It's another episode of "human nature doesn't even exist bro just decide for everything to be different"

[Anonymous No.19344208]

>>19343966
Right, just that this heuristic system is rendered largely worthless given the stimuli around us in the modern world. Food is freely available and energy dense, we don't need to exercise, and our attention spans are obliterated by all the screens we look at.

The prima facie experience of hunger, tiredness and boredom now require self discipline and self reflection to differentiate between the actual need to look after yourself and laziness

[Anonymous No.19344381]

Is this really the level of /lit?

Of course he does not refer to physical pain, but bad experiences, mainly social experiences that could cause some sort of discomfort such shame, anxiety, sadness, etc.

You all a bunch of brainlets.

[Anonymous No.19344420]

>>19344159
you are just not strong enough to control it

[Anonymous No.19344430]

>>19344381
You're all *

[Anonymous No.19344437]

>>19344381
Ah yes. Please deattach from emotional pain with the level of effort of turning a switch off. You're already a Buddha! You're just not trying hard enough!

[Anonymous No.19344491]

>>19338986
the heat coming from the cooking stove is not external op

[Anonymous No.19344535]

>*refutes his philosophy by forcing him to put hand on cooking stove"

One isn't afraid of a cooking stove, one is cautious of it. It's not like I'm afraid of going into the kitchen because there's a stove.

[N E M O . !!GgBWHLRiayD No.19344724]

Things make sense in the mind before they are reasoned by it to any end; prudent, controlled engagement is necessary for overcoming things intact.

[Anonymous No.19344989]

>>19341876
heheh, came here to post this

[Anonymous No.19345259]

>>19338986
>What do I care for your suffering? Pain, even agony, is no more than information before the senses, data fed to the computer of the mind. The lesson is simple: you have received the information, now act on it. Take control of the input and you shall become master of the output.

[Anonymous No.19346533]

ITT:
>I'm weak so EVERYONE must be just as weak as me, and any resistance to comfort is futile. After all, why should I have to suffer?

Some last man shit if I've ever seen it.

[Anonymous No.19346631]

>>19343966
Stoics are faggots that can't handle being in reality so they make up a bunch of coping mechanisms. Same for buddhists.
>"boo hoo life is suffering"
Correct. Especially when I'm around you faggot.

[Anonymous No.19347557]

>>19341876
OP btfo of this pic alone.
Now go clean your room and start going to the gym.

[Anonymous No.19347623]

>>19346631

[Anonymous No.19347648]

Anyone that has ever tried to refute stoicism is retarded.

[Anonymous No.19347717]

>>19338986
BTFO by Nietzsche

[Anonymous No.19347919]

>>19343966
>pain is typically counter-intuitive to one's own wellbeing

cook hand yum meal

[Anonymous No.19348916]

>>19343966
>>19347919
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_2u11z1ljU

[Anonymous No.19348927]

>>19341876
I wonder how OP is coping after this

[Anonymous No.19348930]

>>19343966
How is one not reacting immediately to an emotional impulse a cope? Your post is a cope

[Anonymous No.19348934]

>>19339098
>auto-hypnotic analgesia
Aurelius had no need for that, he was high on opium all the time. Galen, his personal physician, wrote it in his notebooks - Aurelius was eating fat lumps of opium for breakfast lunch and dinner.

That's the secret of stoicism. Just be incredibly fucking high at all times.

[Anonymous No.19348951]

>>19344437
This is unironically possible. Imagine getting filtered by Marcus Aurelius, of all people lmao

[Anonymous No.19348966]

>>19347648
>Anyone that has ever tried to refute stoicism had no other choice.
ftfy
stoicism obviously doesn't work if television is the foundation of culture

[Anonymous No.19348968]

>>19338986
Read Montaigne's essay on opinions.

[Anonymous No.19348977]

>>19348966
>if television is the foundation of culture
That's good, because it isn't.

[Anonymous No.19349004]

>>19348977
it is if 95% of people spend more than 5 minutes a day watching it
it doesn't even matter what's on it

[Anonymous No.19349020]

>>19349004
People haven't watched TV in decades you dumb boomer. Look where you are right now.

[Anonymous No.19349023]

>>19341876
he was on drugs

[Anonymous No.19349024]

>>19338986
>*refutes his philosophy by forcing him to put hand on cooking stove"

Except there are many instances of people being able to overcome even their burn pain receptors - the most famous perhaps being the monk who set himself on fire but there are accounts of a tortured saint who when asked to put his arm in scalding/boiling water did so and replied it was pleasant - the guard in disbelief did so also to get a nasty burn. Don't use your own inferior existence as a barometer to measure the philosophy of a better man than yourself.

[Anonymous No.19349033]

>>19349020
considering that the 50's were the last good decade and they were barely starting watching the TV, my point still stands