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I'm aware that his son despised and derided it as a low brow action movie. But what do you think Tolkien himself would have thought?

>> No.19330895

>>19330879
Probably would've been pissed as all hell about "go home, Sam" in RotK

>> No.19330916

>>19330879
Let's not kid ourselves: he would have been horrified, although he would have probably praised the art direction. Tolkien was a hardcore Catholic and he was extremely critical of things that us modern people think of as mild. On top of this, he'd be looking of an adaptation of his work that he was extremely protective of. That's without even considering the fandom around it, all the people joking that Sam and Frodo were buttbuddies, the gayish Disney style fanart, and everything around it. He's probably spinning in grave so hard in this very moment by the way his work is being treated that if you hooked his tomb to a generator he would power the whole of Britain.

>> No.19330984

>>19330916
I was with you until you started talking about the gay shit, nothing in the movies ever implies that. I think you have serious underlying sexual identity problems that you are repressing.

>> No.19330991

He died in '73, just a few years before DnD and the homogenation of fantasy tropes became a genre onto itself. Did he have anything to say about other works in the emerging "Tolkien-esque" sub-genre? Or did that genre not really start until after his death?

>> No.19331007

>>19330879
I think he'd have liked a select few scenes (like the fall of Sauron), but overall would've disliked it.
Likely would have respected the effort that it took to make them though

>> No.19331010

>>19330991
Tolkien is kinda of like Jung. A man with great creations and values himself but horribly corrupted by modern capitalism.

>> No.19331014

>>19330984
I mentioned that stuff as I talked about the fandom, which came with the movie trilogy. What I meant to say is that his opinion would have become even worse once he observed the context.

>> No.19331037

>>19330991
>Did he have anything to say about other works in the emerging "Tolkien-esque" sub-genre?
He said he didn't like modern science fiction (that's why he tried to write The Lost Road), he didn't like Dune and get said that english mythology was "impoverished chap-book stuff". The subgenre you're talking about is worse than Dune, the sci-fi he didn't enjoy and the mythology he wasn't happy with. So no, he would have hated it all that shit.

>> No.19331039

>>19330879
I think he would have have had to admire the skill that went into making it, but agreed with Christopher overall. It really is one of the last hurrahs of the practical effects blockbuster.

>> No.19331040

>>19331014
Stop projecting some moronic fandom onto the movies. There are perverted fandoms for everything now, sadly.

>> No.19331045

>>19330879
His books don't need adaptions. He painted some illustrations himself. I'd love to see a film being done in this style of dark pastel watercolours. Bet he'd appreciate it.

>> No.19331052

>>19331040
I am not projecting anything, I am saying that assuming he were alive to see the trilogy, he would have been further disappointed by the context around the movie and the new audience that gathered around it before they read the books. That is it, I don't meant to say the movie and the fandom are inextricable.

>> No.19331128

>>19331052
I understand but you obviously have some homosex tendencies. Get in touch with them.

>> No.19331152

>>19330879
Tolkien would be cool with it. He sold the rights years ago precisely because he didn't care.

>> No.19331216

>>19330879
I think he would have liked it, but maybe I'm wrong since his son thinks he would have hated them. I don't understand why very well though.

>>19330916
>he was extremely protective of
Was he tho? Maybe this is in his letters that I haven't read yet or something?
I mean, Tolkien not only wrote a mythology, he conceived it being seen and used as a mythology, he said he wanted his stories to be engaged with, he wanted people to make art, music, to have it evolve it as myth does once people become familiar with it.
I think low-key Tolkien might be the patron saint of fanfiction kek.
But seriously, from what I've seen Christopher was the one that was always overly zealous with keeping his father's work untainted, which is understandable too.

>>19331014
Despite my point, I think you're right here. The world has changed a lot. I don't think even if Tolkien liked the movies and fandom creations that he would be thrilled about Fingon and Maedhros being basically the gay flagship of the Silmarillion (and coincidentally two of my favorite characters, although it doesn't bother me).

>> No.19331231

>>19331010
Tale as old as time.

>> No.19331643

>>19331216
I take that he was protective of it when he demanded that Disney should never be allowed to adapt his work.

>> No.19332057

>>19331643
I didn't know this. Is that something to do with him being furious about how they portrayed Dwarfs in Snow White?

>> No.19332152

>>19332057
He hated the style of Disney in general, too comedic. He made this remark when he saw a cover of The Hobbit drawn in a Milt Khal / Roald Dahl style where Gandalf looked much like Merlin would look in Sword in the Stone.

>> No.19332160

>>19332152
>Roald Dahl
Had a brain fart, meant Ronald Searle

>> No.19332170

>>19331010
>kinda of