Poetry should be Musical

[Anonymous No.19324279]

Music just enhances poetry.
Case in point: Purcell.
> https://youtu.be/nsdozVnJj80 (Dryden)
> https://youtu.be/cbS18xw2TTc (Dryden)
> https://youtu.be/6jFTHTWpfLI (????)
> https://youtu.be/FYGLAHl2_C4 (Nicholas Brady)
> https://youtu.be/ZRxoSyRsKSU (Nicholas Brady)
> https://youtu.be/k-WyxbwU82A (Shakespeare)
> https://youtu.be/yyjUZfQLuk8 (Sir Charles Sedley)
Whenever I write poetry I sing it. It's said that Blake would do the same. Oh, and let's not forget, the Greeks sang their poetry originally. There's just no denying it, poetry is made for music.
> Music and Poetry have ever been acknowledged Sisters, which walking hand in hand support each other; As poetry is the harmony of words, so music is that of notes; and as poetry is a rise above prose and oratory, so is music the exaltation of poetry.

[Anonymous No.19324312]

Houston Stewart Chamberlain on German epic poetry
>the questionable separation of poetry and music (which originated from the worship of the dead letters) had not yet taken place : the poet was at the same time singer; when he invented the word he invented for it at the same time the particular tone and the particular melody

[Anonymous No.19324328]

This is now an art song thread!
Art Song = a [classical] musical setting of an independent poem or text
Post the lyrics along with the music.

#1. Liza Lehmann + Christina Rossetti
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvF-mccPfLI
When I am dead, my dearest,
Sing no sad songs for me;
Plant thou no roses at my head,
Nor shady cypress tree:
Be the green grass above me
With showers and dewdrops wet;
And if thou wilt, remember,
And if thou wilt, forget.

I shall not see the shadows,
I shall not feel the rain;
I shall not hear the nightingale
Sing on, as if in pain:
And dreaming through the twilight
That doth not rise nor set,
Haply I may remember,
And haply may forget

[Anonymous No.19324337]

#2. Aaron Copland + Arthur Waley
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYYjnrMEuwQ
(a translation of an old Chinese poem)
The bright moon, oh, how white it shines,
Shines down on the gauze curtains of my bed.
Racked by sorrow I toss and cannot sleep.
Picking up my clothes, I wander up and down.
My absent love says that he is happy,
But I would rather he said he was coming back.
Out in the courtyard I stand hesitating, alone.
To whom can I tell the sad thoughts I think?
Staring before me I enter my room again;
Falling tears wet my mantle and robe.

[Anonymous No.19324347]

#3. Frederick Delius + Paul Verlaine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gvy9whGaypA
(English translation: https://www.oxfordlieder.co.uk/song/2811))
Il pleure dans mon cœur
Comme il pleut sur la ville;
Quelle est cette langueur
Qui pénètre mon cœur?

Ô bruit doux de la pluie
Par terre et sur les toits!
Pour un cœur qui s’ennuie
Ô le bruit de la pluie!

Il pleure sans raison
Dans ce cœur qui s’écœure.
Quoi! nulle trahison? …
Ce deuil est sans raison

C’est bien la pire peine
De ne savoir pourquoi
Sans amour et sans haine,
Mon cœur a tant de peine

[Anonymous No.19324354]

I thought this was obvious.

[Anonymous No.19324368]

>>19324279
I never really hear the music in poetry. I’ve studied meter before, but all I perceive is a bland up and down rhythm in words. Still have a weird obsession with it though.

[Anonymous No.19324371]

#4. Cyril Scott + Walter Scott
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIRos5EBsfQ
O, hush thee, my babie, thy sire was a knight,
Thy mother a lady, both lovely and bright;
The woods and the glens, from the towers which we see,
They are all belonging, dear babie, to thee.

O, fear not the bugle, though loudly it blows,
It calls but the warders that guard thy repose;
Their bows would be bended, their blades would be red,
Ere the step of a foeman draws near to thy bed.

O, hush thee, my babie, the time soon will come,
When thy sleep shall be broken by trumpet and drum;
Then hush thee, my darling, take rest while you may,
For strife comes with manhood, and waking with day.

[Anonymous No.19324383]

>>19324279
>no mention of the one who unified and perfected that unity of the long long sisters of poetry, music and dance

[Anonymous No.19324446]

>>19324383
No one's stopping you from sharing stuff.

[Anonymous No.19324454]

>>19324328
Fine by me, I love art songs.

>>19324312
> https://youtu.be/PuJg0bN7bxI
lyrics to this version
> In April, when primroses paint the sweet plain,
> And summer approaching rejoiceth the swain,
> The yellow-hair'd laddie would oftentimes go
> To woods and deep glens where the hawthorn trees grow.
> There, under the shade of an old sacred thorn,
> With freedom he sung his loves, evening and morn:
> He sung with so soft and [resound]ing a sound,
> That sylvans and fairies, unseen, danced around.
Complete lyrics and different version
> https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Book_of_Scottish_Song/The_Yellow-Hair%27d_Laddie

>>19324368
Have you written poetry before?

>>19324354
It should be but it isn't so much anymore.
Poetry of spoken language has given way to the poetry of written/printed language in recent times and language in general has become less lyrical I think.
>>19324312
This is exactly what I'm talking about.

[Anonymous No.19324484]

>>19324446
Two of my favourite opera scenes.

https://youtu.be/kp4CqvaBtkA?t=198
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_50zj7J50U

[Anonymous No.19324502]

>>19324454
>Have you written poetry before?
Yes, but I mostly get rid of it after I’m done writing it because I often feel like it isn’t good enough. I usually have a general metrical form as an outline and deviate from it when I feel like the poem calls for it. I still don’t really understand how certain meters correlate to emotions though.

[Anonymous No.19324516]

>>19324502
>Yes, but I mostly get rid of it after I’m done writing it because I often feel like it isn’t good enough.
Try archiving all your poems and putting the best ones into a special folder, it's what I started doing (along with study notes) in a note-taking application called Obsidian. Look up the zettlekasten method too.
> I still don’t really understand how certain meters correlate to emotions though.
I wish I could help you but I suck at poetry lol. I'm studying meter and stuff right now so you're probably ahead of me to be honest lol.

[Anonymous No.19324546]

>>19324516
Thanks for the method. Good luck on your poetry.

[Anonymous No.19324577]

>>19324454
That's a very distinctly Scottish melody. Haydn and Beethoven made some great settings of Scottish poets.
Here's some I like, I linked to the lyrics to save space

#1. Beethoven + Robert Burns: The Lovely Lass of Inverness
words: https://www.bbc.co.uk/arts/robertburns/works/the_lovely_lass_o_inverness/
song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neW18ZxE34o

#2. Beethoven + Walter Scott: On the Massacre of Glencoe
words: https://www.lieder.net/lieder/get_text.html?TextId=102183
song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwLyhWBLkmU
(Beethoven only uses the first and last stanzas)

#3. Haydn + Hector MacNeill: My Boy Tammy
words: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Book_of_Scottish_Song/My_boy,_Tammy
song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPXEFA3Y_Lg

#4. Haydn + Robert Burns: What Can a Young Lassie
words: https://www.lieder.net/lieder/get_text.html?TextId=38554
song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN2XzvNj8Vg

#5. Haydn + Robert Burns: A Mother's Lament
words: https://www.bbc.co.uk/arts/robertburns/works/a_mothers_lament/
song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_ZfsgZinyQ

#6. and this one is my fave Burns setting: The Banks o' Doon
words: https://www.bbc.co.uk/arts/robertburns/works/the_banks_o_doon_second_version/
song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sbuELA7UIE

[Anonymous No.19324639]

Poetry without song is like text displayed in sans serif rather than finely wrought calligraphy.

[Anonymous No.19325493]

>>19324639
True, sans-serif is pozzed as hell. Where did we go so wrong stylistically?

[Anonymous No.19325517]

>>19325493
It's globohomo.

[Anonymous No.19325567]

>>19324502
>I still don’t really understand how certain meters correlate to emotions though.
Do you mean that a metre has some preexisting emotions that it causes in the reader?

[Anonymous No.19325574]

>>19325567
That's true to an extent, just look at the playfulness of limericks.

[Anonymous No.19325613]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yV-cjP96Se8

[Anonymous No.19327052]

Wagner is always based but Shubert is always nice
> https://youtu.be/JS91p-vmSf0

[Anonymous No.19327981]

>>19324577
Just listened to all of these and I must say they are all absolutely gorgeous.
As a fan of Burns and Scott these are extremely interesting; exactly what I meant by making this thread; it was a complete paradigm shift.
I particularly liked Haydn's adaptions but that last one was sung beautifully and I can say why it was you're favorite.
Thank you, I will cherish these until the the day I die.

[Anonymous No.19328473]

>>19325517
Sounds about right.