/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.19304729]

Why can’t normalfags into poetry?

[Anonymous No.19305034]

You have to work to get the beauty out of them

[Anonymous No.19305042]

I can't personally. I like epic poems though

[Anonymous No.19305107]

>>19304729
Interesting question.
I think it's a complex of reasons, one of which is the omnipresent "numbness" everyone in the modern world self-admits. That "numbness" is an inability to be vulnerable to the world and the experiences of life, with the most vulnerable either damaged psychologically by the barrage of negative effects of technology, social media, news, current events, social and political climate, etc; or those who could have wrapped themselves up tightly in order to prevent the negativity from affecting them, but tha was at the price of not being vulnerable to the positive experiences, too.
That might also explain the shallow nature of relationships today, because real relationships require a level of vulnerability to the other which is almost imopossible for some people alive today, and others struggle to achieve it for years.
Poetry is one of the forms of art that requires you to be not only well-read to a certain degree, but also that you open yourself up to the nuances of experience it has to offer. The subtlety of the imagery and ideas in most poetry can't reach the masses of necessarily numb people.

[Anonymous No.19305172]

>>19305107
>Poetry is one of the forms of art that requires you to be not only well-read to a certain degree, but also that you open yourself up to the nuances of experience it has to offer. The subtlety of the imagery and ideas in most poetry can't reach the masses of necessarily numb people.

So, basically NPCs can't process poetry because of their programming?

[Anonymous No.19305209]

>>19305107
That numbness you speak of is becoming increasingly absent in the mindset of the modern Western man. The enemies of the West have launched a diabolical campaign that encourages men to prostrate themselves and remain emotionally vulnerable at all times. Composed men are one of the foundational tenets of a functioning society and your girlfriend, wife, sister, mother, what have you have all been co-opted and conditioned to destroy your innate state of composure

[Anonymous No.19305214]

>>19304729
They have no soul.

[Anonymous No.19305229]

>>19305172
>>19305209
These retards just typed for 2 minutes to get across what this >>19305214 chad got across in 10 seconds.

[Anonymous No.19305325]

Becaseu it fucking sucks.

[Anonymous No.19305347]

>>19304729
The 'fanbase' unironically.

[Anonymous No.19305352]

Oversocialized retards who cringe at the thought of diverting from the norm in any facet of life, which now includes anything beautiful

[Anonymous No.19305361]

dumb people cant introspect, poetry is contemplative

[Anonymous No.19305393]

>>19304729
Not "normal"
Poetry feels fake to me that's why I hate it.

[Anonymous No.19305466]

>>19305393
What feels so fake about it, anon?

[Anonymous No.19305525]

>>19304729
Because they're used to clichés, i.e., dead language.
Poetry is living language, so they "don't get it".
This is literally the reason, and also the reason why the best prose writers (Joyce, Beckett, among others) are not as read as mediocre ones whose prose is full of clichés and simplistic language (Orwell, for instance).

[Anonymous No.19305528]

>>19304729
No soul

[S A G E No.19305534]

>>19304729
The Path is Clear
The Door is Open
The Time is Now.

Upon The Void
I Cast These Souls
Never to Return

Within Your Thoughts
You've Heard The Song
Forever There
No Matter How You Try to Ignore

We Can't Be Stopped
We Are Who We Are
What Must Be Will Be

Within The Empty Darkness
I Feel The Power Swell
My Mind Taken Over by Madness
The World Will Soon Burn.

Nothing Matters
Nothing Remains
All That Was Is Not

Now That I Am Nothing
Nothing to Gain
Nothing to Lose
I Resolve to Be Nothing

What Once Was Seen
Has Now Been Lost
Where You Once Cared
I Now Excrete

Reminded of The Name I Bore Before
When All That Was Could Be Had
The True Nature of It All
We Are.

Summon The Shattered Shards
Reunite The Broken
Create Community
Retake What's Yours.

Within The Eternal Emptiness
The Glimmering Shard Tumbles
What Once Was Light, Has Turned
Last Chance, The Ride Ignites

[Anonymous No.19305550]

because poetry *ahem* *ahem* sorry, because poetry *cough* *ahem* 'scuse me, because poetry SUCKS

[Anonymous No.19305552]

Low confidence on this idea, but:
There are certain realms of art which no longer produce enough entry level work. It is necessary to build appreciation for the virtues of a medium through simple, but good examples. People with high reading ability may find these in older poetry, but it's more difficult for the average reader, because of the effort involved in parsing unfamiliar syntax and vocabulary. Additionally, the writers who might have produced this work have instead moved to the more lucrative songwriting industry, reinforcing the problem as readers with a poetic inclination instead become listeners of lyrics.

[Anonymous No.19305554]

>>19305534
Long series of clichés. Not poetry.

[Anonymous No.19305573]

She's a Latter Day Saint
But she's a Saturday sinner
Suicide Sunday desserts for weekends drinking her dinner
The worry keeps her slender
The pills keep her awake
Her man can't make her happy, but he helps to still the shakes
Met her boyfriend at the bar, said he'd stick to beer
Said I could keep the cocktails, martinis taste like tears
I asked if he would leave her
What with all the grief
He passed the pitcher back to me and asked what I believe
And I said virginity is a childhood disease
And these days it seems have interest in the addict thief
Patience for the epigrammatic, the brief
There's only four ways to acquire
Anyone says different is a salesman or a liar
You can find it, earn it, make it or steal it
I haven't found a single way to keep it
Cause you can leash it, it'll leave
You can teach it to stay and it'll leave
You can case and display it, decay and waste it away
And day by day it leaves you by degrees
He put his hand on my knee, sometimes that's what it takes
He doesn't make me happy, but he helps to still the shakes

[Anonymous No.19306031]

>>19305534
No rhythm to this at all. This is Rupi Kaur tier shit in terms of form. This would be better reworked into a prose piece, or if you actually attempted to make this lyrical.

Redraft this one.

[Anonymous No.19306037]

>>19305466
The way someone trys to put their "anesthetics" on words...

[Anonymous No.19306041]

>>19306037
"aesthetics" god dammit

[Anonymous No.19306044]

I'm not gay

[Anonymous No.19306069]

>>19306041
but it can be extremely aesthetic. I don’t mean in some abstract way - good poetry is beautiful in a way that nothing else is.
Do you like classical music? Just curious. If so, any particular pieces?

[࿇ C Œ M G E N V S ࿇ !Ry9.MAY90A No.19306158]

«NORMALS» HAVE A PROSAICAL MIND; THE POETICAL MIND IS ABNORMAL.

[N E M O . !!GgBWHLRiayD No.19306321]

>>19304729

Not everyone recognizes the spark of syncord, nor is everyone capable of architecting archetypes.

[Anonymous No.19306509]

>>19306044
Cope and seethe, faggot Reading and writing poetry is one of the most masculine things any man can do.

[Anonymous No.19306513]

>>19306158
S-source??

[Anonymous No.19306514]

I’ve been really struggling to get into poetry. I just don’t understand it and I don’t know where to turn to understand it. I bought the Harold Bloom book for English poems and I just find his writing totally obscure and vague. I’ve gotten absolutely nothing out of it. I like the poems it contains but I don’t really understand what’s going on in them and why.

[Anonymous No.19306519]

Poetry is for fags who enjoy making themselves cry. Masturbatory

[Anonymous No.19306526]

>>19306514
>muh fat boomer jew bloom

Start with the Greeks, retard.

[Anonymous No.19306534]

>>19306519
>being filtered THIS hard

Why are you even here? I think reddit is more your speed, kiddo.

[Anonymous No.19307109]

>>19305229
You're wrong. This anon, >>19305209, communicated it in a more effective way that touched my soul.

[Anonymous No.19307225]

I didn't like it until I had a catalog of life experience.

[Anonymous No.19307231]

I got an empire of emotion
Squad see me cruisin', cruisin' in my go kart
I'm War ho, I'm Warhol
I'm Wario when I'm in Mario Kart
Topping the charts, Ace in my cards
Choppa my locka when I'm writing these bars
Koka Kola veins, I'm insane
Trip through memory lane
Out in Narashino and I see my own white shadows
A tad too close, rad with a bad diagnose
Coke-filled nose, too weird for them other fuckboys
Catch Lean and Sadboys out in Europe, sippin' Cristal
I'm smoking loud with my lost boys
All this money don't make me sad though
Rubber bands in my pants bro
Don't close your eyes and lean back though
Y'all ain't ready for the Lean attack though
Lean, lean, lean, youngin' with my team
Pumpin' RZA, eating pizza
Man I'm living my dreams, living my dreams

[Anonymous No.19307257]

>>19304729
because they're reading post IR trash.

[Anonymous No.19307268]

>>19305534
dam what is this wicca tier bullshit.

[Anonymous No.19307272]

>>19304729
because they're reading vers libre trash

[Anonymous No.19307277]

>>19304729
truncated composition and thought is a bridge too far for joe normalfag that is running at 15% suboptimal syntax already. the leaps required by the imagery and music/meter mirror thoughts immediately apparent to their betters

[Anonymous No.19307327]

>>19304729
its cause everyone wants easy pleasure and they dont find it enjoyable.
if you walked up to a normie and offered them a book on poetry or Friends season one on DVD theyre going to take the DVD
From a young age they never learned to read and times when they would if would be for an extrinsic reward. The same goes with good grades and good behavior. Normies expect a reward and do not see what poetry will bestow.
>tldr
op is a fag
who was bullied by prep kids
now thirsty for life

[Anonymous No.19307525]

after focusing on spirituality i grew out of poetry. most of it is just sophirstry

[Anonymous No.19307643]

Life is beautifully cruel.

They focus on cruelty.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.19307669]

>>19307525
>most of it [spirituality] is just sophistry

[Anonymous No.19308039]

>>19305172
necessary programming in order to cope with life as it is today
>>19305209
When you talk about these men who prostrate themselves, it's an extreme. It's not a large group of people that does this, it's just a very strongly publicized group of people. And prostrating yourself and being vulnerable in the way you speak of is not the same as what I'm saying. A composed man isn't an invulnerable man, it's someone who experiences everything in all its nuances but has mastered his emotions and doesn't let them dictate his actions.
The vulnerability I speak of is precisely the type of what everyone at either end of the spectrum "strong-man-no-cry< >pussyboi-faggot" can't experience; one has insulated himself from the world with pretend strength, for it is real strength only when it withstands the test. The other overstates the emotional weight of anything and everything. Both types have a profound inability to see what's infront of them; they can't experience it, can't be vulnerable to it and let it inside, because they don't have the strength to endure, or the wisdom to change.

[Anonymous No.19309156]

>>19304729
I'm not quite a normie. I mostly just don't get it, or I don't enjoy the imagery, I think it sounds like nonsense at times.
I do have a few poems I like tho.

[Anonymous No.19309189]

>>19305534
>>19305573
>>19307231
Can someone post some actually good poetry so I have something to compare these guys to?

[Anonymous No.19309384]

>>19305229
>>19305361
>>19305528
Wrong. See >>19305107 Poetry was very popular, even with the common man, at least until the 1930s. It is the modern world, but not industrialisation, but the atomisation; the fragmented and isolated lives we lead, isolated not only from other people, though we meet them daily, but from the world as a whole, from history, from theology and from a common literary culture. People have an extremely poor understanding of literary technique and tradition, which in combination with their disconnection from the shared historical and religious culture makes understanding poetry very difficult. But more than that, most people are disconnected from the places in which they live: few people look, /really look/ around themselves and are able to appreaciate their environment for what it is. I am not talking here of pastoral poems only – many great poems have been written of cities also, albeit most of them negative – of the fact that it is difficult to understand the beaty of green grass and blooming flowers, or the soft first snow on tree branches if you have never seen it, but of the simple fact that people are so focussed on their personal lives that they never stop to simply observe the world around them. How, then, could they be expected to understand the implications of someone else's observations; how could they understand that a small thing can represent something great if they have never paid attention to such things, great or small, in their own lives?

[Anonymous No.19309433]

>>19304729
Because poetry is the cuckoldry of literature, you think yourself to be greater because you spend your time trying to gain esoteric meanings from the thoughts of another. You are a cuck. You can't think for yourself, so instead, you think about what an author who lived five centuries ago thought about. A poet is no more genius or enlightened than you are; it's internalized schizophrenia. You read and write random shit with the hopes that someone, just as deranged as you, will be able to gain some deeper meaning from it in the future. Even if it does hold some meaning, it is of no value. Poets are low-life scum who don't contribute to society outside of their "art", they can't give any true meaning.

[Anonymous No.19309579]

>>19309433
What an absolutely worthless post

[Anonymous No.19309781]

>>19309433
holy filtered

[Anonymous No.19309815]

>>19309384
Glad to see someone agree with me.
I think the word "atomization" is absolutely key in understanding the nature of suffering today.
Another thing would be the fact that people look inwards, but not in any analytical fashion, but simply bothering themselves only with... themselves, their immediate state of being.

[Anonymous No.19309827]

>>19304729
Because literary poetry requires knowledge and effort to comprehend. Imagine trying to get into poetry but your literary friend says "to understand poetry, first read the Bible and be familiar with Greek myths as these will be referenced a lot. Then study the structure of poetry itself. The start with an anthology on classic poets and pick a poet you like, then..."
To "truly" appreciate poetry, you need to do a lot of prep first. Of course, you could just jump head first into poetry, but then you won't get the "authentic" experience because you don't have needed knowledge.

[Anonymous No.19309858]

>>19309815
>Another thing would be the fact that people look inwards, but not in any analytical fashion, but simply bothering themselves only with... themselves, their immediate state of being.
That is more or less what I said, but I suppose I was too verbose and unclear.

[Anonymous No.19309883]

Maybe this is just me being stuck in Amerimuttland but I think part of the reason is also because poetry is not covered at all in education these days. I don't think we touched any poetry at all in my grade school or high school and even in college as an English major I only had three classes where poetry was heavily featured and one of those was a Shakespeare class.

[Anonymous No.19309999]

>>19309827
Normalfags get filtered hard and then cope by consuming Netflix and social media products. Pretty grim existence, really. For example, see:>>19309433

[Anonymous No.19310040]

>>19309999
the holy quarts have spoken - >>19309433, kys

[Anonymous No.19310278]

>>19309579
>>19309781
>>19309999
>>19310040
Cuckoldery. You are unable to respond when someone points out the inherent contradiction within your existence, when you are presented with your own weakness you internalize it, you huddle around your fellows and continue to try and keep up the façade of intellectuality.

[Anonymous No.19310746]

>>19304729
Modern poetry is ass. Idiosyncratic linebreaks and lowercase don't turn pretentious mutterings into poetry. If it isn't metred or otherwise constrained to an established format then it's not worth looking at.

Older poetry can be good when it doesn't lean entirely on shallow references to Greco-Roman mythology. It was the ebin capeshit reference of its day and it's just as shit today.

Don't reply to me if you're about to defend Greco-Roman mythology. There's original substance to it; but non-primary references to it form a pool as wide as your fat mom and as shallow as your micropenis.

[Anonymous No.19310763]

>>19310746
>If it isn't metred or otherwise constrained to an established format then it's not worth looking at.
How are we to establish new formats then?

[Anonymous No.19310807]

>>19310763
Count the fucking syllables, moron. Better yet, don't; it'll be a worthless one anyways.

[Anonymous No.19310816]

>>19310746
Damn; I should've said "shallow as your neovagina". Pretend my post said that instead.

[Anonymous No.19310830]

>>19310807
I don't think you understood the question
yikes

[Anonymous No.19310860]

>>19310830
I don't think you understood, dumb fuck. You don't pioneer a new format in a single generation. You look back on the ones who've done it wrong in the past and pick one that had merit in spite of that, and then imitate its format, which you do first and foremost by counting the syllables. If that doesn't let you imitate the format then you picked wrongly and it didn't have merit.

Understand it now?

[Anonymous No.19310865]

>>19310746
>If it isn't metred or otherwise constrained to an established format then it's not worth looking at.
100 IQ opinion

[Anonymous No.19310868]

>>19310865
100 IQ poet cope.

[Anonymous No.19310912]

>>19304729
No one is actually taught how poetry works, it just gets put in front of barely literate children and its expected that they figure it out. I've had conversations here with anons who consider themselves well read and kept bouncing off poetry because they just had no actual understanding of metre and scansion.

[Anonymous No.19310985]

>>19310865
based
>>19310868
>>19310860
kek dumb faggots
>which you do first and foremost by counting the syllables
holy shit, you really have no clue

[Anonymous No.19311010]

>>19310746
>Idiosyncratic linebreaks and lowercase don't turn pretentious mutterings into poetry.
I'm not about to bother discussing quality or anything, but it really annoys me that people decided that works which were intentionally not poetry are called poetry because no one wanted to create another category for idiosyncratically styled short prose. Did people just want the clout of the "poetry" label?

[Anonymous No.19311024]

>>19311010
yes, they did
and all of poetry suffers for it

[Anonymous No.19312197]

>>19309579
>>19309781
>>19309999
>>19310040
like pottery

[Anonymous No.19313535]

>>19305325
only a bugman would say this, otherwise you would be trolling. you ARE human right anon? if you don't like poetry then you are against sincerity