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there's two types of people. which way is it?

>> No.19288497
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>> No.19288507

>>19288488
Both are among my favourites, not sure why it'd be one or the other

>> No.19288519

>>19288507
deep down it is contemplation vs action dichotomy

>> No.19288539

>>19288519
deep down it is pee(1) vs poo(2) dichotomy

>> No.19288546

>actual literature
>reddit pulpy trash

>> No.19288571

>>19288488
no there isn't

>> No.19288597

>>19288539
I always pee when I go poo, literally every time. But of course the inverse is not true. Peepee is necessary but not sufficient for poopoo, and thank goodness.

>> No.19288671

>LoTR
>hundreds of pages of descriptions of tress and walking through them and never ending rants about elf genealogy with some faggy songs sprinkled in

>Dune
>Multifaceted political conflict with interesting factions and great world building. Full of passages that make you think.

LoTR fags will seethe but they know it's true.

>> No.19288683

>>19288488
They're both good you dootfus.

>> No.19288694

>>19288497
Lewis is overrated tier bullshit.

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>>19288488
this way

>> No.19289548

>>19288488
LOTR and it's not even close

the former is a philologist's autistic language experiment and the latter is just a typical brick of nerd horseshit. both are genre dross but at least tolkein's is an interesting look into an interesting mind and somebody writing about ye olde yurop who actually knows what the fuck he's talking about.

>> No.19289576

>>19288671
>hundreds of pages of descriptions of tress and walking through them and never ending rants about elf genealogy with some faggy songs sprinkled in
based and hobbitpilled

>Multifaceted political conflict with interesting factions and great world building. Full of passages that make you think.
cringe and he actually reads genre fiction to "think"

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>>19288488
both

>> No.19289597

>>19288488
Dune is the kind of book you read once, mildly enjoy it, and then never talk about it again.

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>> No.19289706

>>19289529
My man

>> No.19289769

Dune didn’t speak to me the way LOTR did

>> No.19289777

>>19288488
>Gene wolfe better than Herbert
>Dunsay better than Tolkien

>> No.19289779

>>19288488
At least four types.

>> No.19289782

>>19289777
I meant Dunsany goddamnit

>> No.19289817

Herbert speaks to my mind, Tolkien speaks to my heart

>> No.19290352

>>19288671
I love Dune but it honestly didn't make me think much. Maybe I didn't read it carefully enough but I mostly enjoyed the environmental descriptions, the political scheming, and the whole theme of Paul not being able to stop a destiny set out for him. I never really picked up on many philosophical or ethical dilemmas in the book.

>> No.19290450

>>19288488
I think both are thematically similar

>> No.19290495

>>19289529
Based

>> No.19290520

>>19288488
It makes me mad how amazing that cover of Dune is and how I'll never have a good quality version of it

>> No.19291501

>>19289782
Where should I start with his work?

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I wish literature had never come to me. Now I'm just a pretentious faggot. I don't want to know what a fin de siècle is.

>> No.19292652

>>19289529
Juvenile in comparison to LotR and Dune. Not in the same league, despite its considerable genre influence.

LotR is the richer, more vital work of the two. Dune succeeds in its own way, but the psycho-transcendent spirituality theme wears thin after a while. The political intrique is not particularly intriguing. LotR has its faults, but it's more ambitious and more emotionally resonant as an archetypical epic legend. Tolkien created a mythology that will endure for as long as people read fantasy.

>> No.19292759

>>19288694
one of the most famous literary authors of the 21st century begs to differ https://www.openculture.com/2014/02/david-foster-wallaces-surprising-list-of-his-10-favorite-books.html

>> No.19292770

>>19290352
No, it's just a book that is deep for 12 year olds.

>> No.19293205

lets be real, Dune has stood the test of time better than LOTR. Even the modernised movies from the 2000's feel antiquated

>> No.19293288

>>19293205
>>19293205
Why would it ever not feel antiquated dude? Antiquated is the point.

Anyway, Herbert is a worse writer with more entertaining ideas.

>> No.19293413

Dune

I like the imagery of LOTR but all that wizards and midgets in the forest shit is faggy

>> No.19293863

>>19292759
Wow some dead dude liked another dead dude. For real though I don't get the Lewis hype, I read Narnia and it didn't do anything for me.

>> No.19293962

>>19292652
Based high IQ poster

>> No.19294072

>>19288671
If you need children stories to learn and think about politics you are a manchild and a retard. I bet you are the kind of people that compares republicans to star wars villains.

>> No.19294087

>>19293413
Give me that sweet hobbit leaf any day of the week rather than drinking my own piss recycled by the special sand nigger suit.

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>>19291514
>I don't want to know what a fin de siècle is.
A very good album by The Divine Comedy. He also has a song called "The Booklovers" which is totally not just a long list of names of authors, because that's not what he wanted to do.

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>>19288488
I see.. a third path...

>> No.19294537

Went into Dune expecting a cool neofeudalistic intrigue story. I was SHOCKED to find 9/10ths of the book consisted of paul rolling around in mud huts performing "WALALAWOOWOO" tribal rituals!

>> No.19294682

>>19289529
Based, but his short stories are better.
Reading his Bridge trilogy now and it's been an enjoyable ride.
Here have a Gibson inspired song
https://youtu.be/t6QW1KcDV8M

>> No.19294698

>>19288488
Dune is just some dude deconstructing mythology and the "hero's journey" in a way that already feels dated and trite.

LOTR is a humble addition to the grand collection of mythological stories and will remain a timeless classic.

>> No.19294699

>>19294155
>nothing happens, the book
pass

>> No.19294849
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lotr, dune, earthsea, book of the new sun, elric...

>> No.19294921

>>19294698
How is it a deconstruction in any sense of the word?

>> No.19294937

>>19294698
its a homage to 19th century French novels and orientalism, done by a 60s hippie

>> No.19294972

>>19294921
Dune Messiah does a lot more of the deconstruction. Paul falls into the trap of being trapped by his prescience, has his love killed, and ultimately walks into the desert to die after his eyes get burned out by an atomic weapon.
In comparison, Dune feels like much more of a standard hero's journey.

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>>19288488
I haven't read either, but I was a big fan of lewis' space trilogy and a canticle for liebowitz. Which one should I read first/is there an alternative series/science fiction-fantasy novel that I would prefer?
Also, is gene wolfe worth it?
t. not a big science fiction buff

>> No.19295147

>>19288671
>Full of passages that make you think.
This fag probably thinks the star wars prequels were hard to understand
essential midwit post and I usually hate the midwit shit cause its a cope

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>>19289576
>world building.

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>>19288671
>world building

>> No.19295678

>>19294698
It insists upon itself

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>beat LOTR in the Hugo Award for Best Series of All Time

>> No.19295735

>>19295699
> DUDE LETS ALL BE A FUNGUS ALSO, SCIENCE SAID IT HAD TO BE THAT WAY
worst book series of all time. Literally nosedives in the last book after two books which both have their own merits and are are hard to rank between themselves

>> No.19295748

>>19290352
same, loved the Jihad visions, I really wish Lynch tried to put them in the movie.

>> No.19296375

>>19290352
Same thoughts like this anon. Both are really similar in some way but LoTR is just more engaging and comfy.

>> No.19296913

>>19288488
LoTR because I hate decadence and reading about decadence. Otherwise still LoTR, it's way better, which is not surprising, given Tolkien was more educated and had way more intense/rich life experience.

>> No.19297078

>>19291501
The King of Elfland's Daughter, but when I tried to read it it felt cliched because the language is so foundational. Didn't make it through the first chapter.

>> No.19297103

>>19288488
I like both tho

>>19288519
That's a false dichotomy tho

>>19289529
Also based tho

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Replace Dune with pic, or something from Jack Vance.

Dune is unedited garbage.

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>> No.19297520

>>19295735
Filtered. It's a super organism