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Why is everyone so brainwashed these days? Why is it that sounding and being perceived as righteous is worth more than actually being right? How did it come to this virtue signaling dilemma I find myself stuck in, unable to escape without the gift of anonymity on a forum for incels and losers? This world of ours seems so fake.

>> No.19288115

>>19288108
polarisation of Discourse.

>> No.19288157

>>19288115
the internet is the source of all evil huh

>> No.19288222

>>19288108
i think its the women
all of them are shilling the leftist propaganda, hook up culture, hedonistic lifestyle, not being stay at home moms, supporting gay people, witch craft and stuff.

>> No.19288230

>>19288157
No, it just made it incredibly efficient.

>> No.19288235

>>19288157
Yes.

>> No.19288265

>>19288108
Because people put stock in being right, when the only consequence to being wrong is learning something new. You can not even see that you are trying to be righteous and not stating facts.

>> No.19288272

>>19288265
Wow, what happened to that first sentence? Oh well, figure it out.

>> No.19288309

>>19288222
Trips of truth. Almost all problems we face today are because women were allowed to vote.

>> No.19288328

>>19288115
more like bowdlerization of discourse. what cannot be expressed silently grows

>> No.19288332

>>19288108
GREAT LITERATURE THREAD

>> No.19288341

>>19288108
I haven't bothered talking to anyone outside of a professional context in 6-8 years, so I don't know how you faggots behave in real life. I don't find any value in talking to people after landing a virgin wife.

>> No.19288342

>>19288108
the answer to your question is that society now explicitly caters to women's consumerism and collective security without the neutralizing regulation and filtering of reasonable and virtuous men as in centuries past

>> No.19288350

>>19288222
Why did the men allow this to happen?

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>>19288108
>I should find the best qualities I have useless in this age; the facility of my manners would have been called weakness and negligence; my faith and conscience, scrupulosity and superstition; my liberty and freedom would have been reputed troublesome, inconsiderate, and rash. Ill luck is good for something. It is good to be born in a very depraved age; for so, in comparison of others, you shall be reputed virtuous very cheaply; he who in our days is but a parricide and a sacrilegious person is an honest man and a man of honour
- Montaigne, 1580

>> No.19288517

>>19288350
because they wanted pussy

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>>19288108
The more I read and go on /fit/ and /lit/ the more I start to agree with the idea that you shouldn't respect the ideas of people you don't respect. Ad Hominem is a valid point and no amount of intellectually constructed rhetoric can defend your ideas and values better than your lived life.

I believe this sentiment used to be more prevalent in the world. And it may be part of the virtue signal internet hell we see today

>> No.19288541

>>19288350
The truth is that it wasn't men who allowed this but kids. Of course to a degree, parents did neglect their kids but slowly over very few generations, kids were no longer raised by their parents but by schools, sports, TV, and so on. Kids are educated by the state first and the parents exist to reinforce what the kids are told to believe. These kids grew up with certain ideas in mind and they allowed things to happen. It was a slow thing that happened over several generations, before the boomers, and it would have been difficult to predict back then. I think nobody really meant anything wrong, perhaps they were just a little lazy. The blame fell on the kids who were too defiant to fall in line. The truth is that they were just told to quit listening to their parents, to not trust that they have their best interest at heart. It would have been difficult 100 years ago to argue against public instruction without sounding like an idiot. People had real opportunities after they came out of school. It just happened, as much as I hate normies this is a complicated issue that happened too subtly to figure out. Of course hindsight is 20/20.

>> No.19288543

>>19288541
forgive the terrible verbal vomit, I am tired

>> No.19288569

>>19288108
We went from an age of literacy to an electric age, the invention of new technologies such as TV made people fake, it's now a put on everyone is acting a part instead of being an individual. That started in the 50s and 60s. Now in the information age everyone is connected at light speed and since humans seek identity through violence and debate is substitution for violence, being right I'd validating people's fake identities. We're connected together with no privacy at all and resorting back to tribalism, proving your identity in the tribe through "being right".

>> No.19288581

>>19288108
It's just fashionable bullshit and will eventually go away, but of course not before having done immense damage to our societies. In a few short decades these consensus-seeking normie extrovert types will cringe at the shit that came out of their mouths in the early 2020s. Just continue to demand that they justify their social justice faggotry when you meet them in the wild, get them to talk you through the reasoning that brought them to those conclusions- they will hate you for making them realise their opinions are not actually their own and it's fucking delicious. Just enjoy that while this while disgusting mess burns itself out.

>> No.19288604

>>19288569
Actually not "being right" but "winning the argument". Would be equivalent of winning a physical fight. Regardless of truth.

>> No.19288605

>>19288108
>Yes guys tell me how right I am, I would never actually say this to anyone I know in person but here I will be perceived as righteous for going against the status quo

>> No.19288652

>>19288569
>That started in the 50s and 60s.
It started in the late 20s/early 30s, if not even further back. It definitely was already in action in the mid 30s. All parties involved in WW2 knew perfectly well what propaganda was about, and the writings about it are clearly on the same direction as modern marketing and crowd control tactics. I unironically think public education had more of an impact than TV or whatever. Having so many different kids crowded in the same place, getting the same directions and the same notions about life, no matter their background, effectively cut them off from the family as the center of their reality. By the 60s or 70s everything was about young people, and then younger and younger people. Young people are incredibly pliable so all you have to do is force them to take time off their families. You have their parents work harder and harder with the idea of making more money so they'll "secure their future" and meanwhile you indoctrinate them. Of course for a while this had to work, you have to actually show that the snake oil works before you sell it.
Honestly this is only evident in hindsight, but if you look back, further and further back, and you read what the people in charge of media were talking about, you realize that everything shaped this way intentionally, and targeting younger and younger people and celebrating young people and insisting that your parents and your family do not know better, that one has to chase his dreams, that masses of like-minded kids can achieve great things, it was obviously all a very nice plan and the parents were too busy working and too faithful in the people in charge to think they were being conned out of their own blood, after all they were getting real things for the system that would stop working a generation down the line.

>> No.19288733

>>19288541
nice take I like it. For me my parents didn't teach me shit. And I basically lived off internet since I was like 6. And it also seems plausible that since women have started working they were spending less time with their children.