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Anonymous Sun Oct 24 18:29:20 2021 No.19282916 [Reply] [Original]

>J.R.R. Tolkien refused to review Dune, on the grounds that he disliked it "with some intensity" and thus felt it would be unfair to Herbert, another working author, if he give an honest review of the book

what did xir mean by this?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 24 18:32:51 2021 No.19282939 >>19282916 >what did xir mean by this? that's not how you use that pronoun

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 24 18:34:36 2021 No.19282947 >>19282916 >hate a book with a passion >realize your negative sentiments will get in the way of a balanced, fair review >refuse to review said book Wow Tolkien was better than 99,99% of literature critics and Goodreads retards.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 24 18:41:42 2021 No.19282983 >>19282916 The world of Dune is extremely perverse and twisted compared to Middle Earth, of course JRR Tolkien hated it. The funny thing is, our world is so fucked up right now that the world of Dune seems normal.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 24 19:57:44 2021 No.19283310 >>19282947 He disliked the book and didn't review it because he knew his opinion was taken seriously and he didn't want to torpedo Herbert's career. There was nothing about being objective.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 24 20:00:11 2021 No.19283317 >>19282916 >another working author implying Tolkien was still a working author in 1965 lol

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 24 20:33:15 2021 No.19283427 >>19283310 This. Tolkien was a good man and he probably had to choose between reviewing it fairly and writing really nasty opinions or not reviewing at all. Right now an author in the same standing would take this opportunity for drama with delight.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 24 20:36:44 2021 No.19283441 >>19282983 >The funny thing is, our world is so fucked up right now that the world of Dune seems normal. I don't know what you mean.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 24 20:37:44 2021 No.19283445 >>19283441 Have you been to London lately? It's crawling with Fremen.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 24 20:41:24 2021 No.19283461 >>19283445 >I saw a kebab shop once, the world is doomed!

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 24 20:44:15 2021 No.19283472 >>19283461 >if i minimize your concerns they seem trivial!

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 24 20:49:52 2021 No.19283498 >>19283445 >Have you been to London lately? It's crawling with Fremen. I mean, I wanna see a worm God-Emperor.

Anonymous Sun Oct 24 20:51:48 2021 No.19283510
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>>19283461
Fun fact there's an incredible Arab restaurant and kebab shop in the big city and evey time I pass by I eat there. There's always what I assume is the Quran reading going through the speakers very loudly and many of the patrons look like they're working for the Taliban. I no longer eat meat so I accept the chance of beheading for the incredible falafel and hummus they serve there. The kebab was the absolute best I've ever had, and I kind of miss it. I love those guys, people with food so good can't be that bad.
Fuck now I'm hungry.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 24 20:54:03 2021 No.19283520 File: 471 KB, 388x699, barron.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19283498 patience

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 24 20:59:01 2021 No.19283539 >>19283510 >I love those guys, people with food so good can't be that bad. This. And fuck the jews.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 24 21:01:41 2021 No.19283552 >>19282916 Why did he dislike it? Is it because there is sex?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 24 21:14:11 2021 No.19283601 >>19283510 I love the Kebab shop near me run by this old Turkish guy. There is this other Kebab shop up the road run by Bangladeshi and he always shit talks them how they don't know the first thing about kebab and they should make their own food.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 24 21:16:12 2021 No.19283610 >>19282916 much more class than the fat fuck Martin who never spares a minute of the day to bitch about his 'quibbles' with Tolkien

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 24 21:28:16 2021 No.19283673 >>19283510 >people with food so good can't be that bad What are you, a donkey? No this is bacterium level reasoning.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 24 21:39:47 2021 No.19283723 >>19283673 but anon, american food is disgusting and americans are also disgusting, it perfectly checks out

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 24 21:41:57 2021 No.19283732 the question is: why didn't the Dork of the Rings like Based Dune? >>19283510 >I no longer eat meat homo

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 24 21:43:36 2021 No.19283742 >>19283732 probably because it wasn't very good.

Anonymous Sun Oct 24 21:47:47 2021 No.19283760

>>19283445
Freemen are Space-Bedouins specifically. A generalization to all Arabs is inaccurate.

>>19283601
I have never met nor heard of a Bangladeshi person who is not absolutely seething and angry about something at all times. Why are they all like this?

Anonymous Sun Oct 24 21:48:54 2021 No.19283765

>>19283732
Well they are writing from very different places, but my main theory is that for Tolkien Mythology/Religion was enriching to the soul of man, while for Herbert it was literally at tool for social engineering. The reduction of the mythic to a mere instrument of power isn't exactly something he would be sympathetic to.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 24 22:02:05 2021 No.19283840 >>19283732 >noooo you can't renounce things over ethics that's a sign of weak spirit!!!!

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 24 22:05:58 2021 No.19283863 >>19283840 It's a sign of low IQ. just don't tell everyone you're vegetarian it will be easier for you when you quit

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 24 22:08:43 2021 No.19283874 >>19283765 I think you’re onto something. Tolkien believes in the glory and righteousness classical heroes while Hebert tears them down as despots and criticizes them for being monsters.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 24 22:25:28 2021 No.19283967 >>19283863 try not to choke on too much cock anon

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 24 22:50:45 2021 No.19284082 >>19283310 Funnily enough, no serious critic likes Tolkien's trash.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 24 22:53:41 2021 No.19284099 >>19284082 Idk Tolkien and Herbert are the same tier for their respective genres.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 24 23:05:09 2021 No.19284142 >>19283539 Hey man there's a great bagel place in NYC, they make homemade bagels that are top notch

Anonymous Sun Oct 24 23:53:14 2021 No.19284336

>>19284099
I would say the one glaring difference and talent that Tolkien has is his knack for linguistics. He made up 5 or so functioning languages and only wrote the books to give them a setting to live in. I can’t think of another contemporary author who has managed a body of work like that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 25 00:00:59 2021 No.19284366 File: 92 KB, 1200x1125, 1606666183189.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19283510 >I love those guys, people with food so good can't be that bad.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 25 00:06:02 2021 No.19284381 >>19283840 Everyone thinks it. Even other vegans.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 25 00:14:46 2021 No.19284403 >>19284082 Yeah I know, critics are retarded.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 25 02:55:51 2021 No.19284886 Ok but what did Hebert think of Lord Of The Rings?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 25 02:59:15 2021 No.19284894 File: 2.56 MB, 600x600, 1626540535638.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19282916 >what did xir mean by this? Tolkien meant that all fags should hang.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 25 03:34:24 2021 No.19284994 >>19284142 >Hey man there's a great bagel place in NYC, they make homemade bagels that are top notch Wtf? I love the jews, now.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 25 03:36:45 2021 No.19285005 >>19284894 >bringing this up in completely unrelated threads Unironically, not meant as an insult, get professional help. This kind of fixation is hurting you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 25 06:15:51 2021 No.19285340 hhmm

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 25 06:24:12 2021 No.19285367 File: 34 KB, 600x468, 0e0.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19282916 >Fantasybro hates work by scifi bros Riveting thread

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 25 07:56:55 2021 No.19285701 >>19283461 >one kebab shop you are in for quite the culture shock if you ever actually go somewhere like London or Birmingham my naive friend

Anonymous Mon Oct 25 07:59:31 2021 No.19285712
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>>19282916
Perhaps he agreed with Auden, who said

>Attacking bad books is not only a waste of time but also bad for the character. If I find a book really bad, the only interest I can derive from writing about it has to come from myself, from such display of intelligence, wit and malice as I can contrive. One cannot review a bad book without showing off.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 25 07:59:44 2021 No.19285714 >>19283673 Yeah no, this is entirely accurate.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 25 07:59:49 2021 No.19285715 >>19284082 'serious critic' is like saying 'darkest nigger', there is nothing to be proud of about being a critic, 'serious' or otherwise you massive fag

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 25 08:28:00 2021 No.19285812 >>19282939 It's not a pronoun

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 25 10:08:55 2021 No.19286210 >>19284886

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 25 12:01:06 2021 No.19286715 File: 118 KB, 1280x1024, isaac_asimov.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19282916 He liked Isaac Asimov's works however Wonder why

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 25 12:22:32 2021 No.19286807 >>19285712 Auden himself was an abysmal poet (also a pederast)

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 25 12:26:39 2021 No.19286824 >>19282916 He probably thought Dune's overt contemplation of philosophical and religious themes distasteful, at a guess. I think both are thematically quite similar (though Lord of the Rings is obviously far more optimistic)

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 25 12:29:34 2021 No.19286835 >>19286824 Similarly I think Tolkien also disliked CS Lewis's writing for being overtly allegorical

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 25 12:30:08 2021 No.19286836 File: 260 KB, 1153x1558, yung hitler.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] stop using allegories

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 25 12:30:52 2021 No.19286839 >>19286807 I think he was one of the best poets.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 25 12:30:58 2021 No.19286840 >>19283510 >I no longer eat meat Except no doubt sausage.

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