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I was looking through the internet for reasons why Nieztsche didn't like the English and came across this quote

>Man does not strive for happiness; only the English do that.

What the fuck is he talking about? Who doesn't strive for happiness? And why wouldn't you?

>> No.19277232

He's taking a jab at Utilitarianism

>> No.19277242
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>>19277216
Jordon Peterson explains this pretty well in 12 rules for life. The bottom line is that we should pursue what is meaningful and that happiness in and of its self doesn't have any real meaning.

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>>19277216
So you can't even imagine a frame of mind where people persist for reasons other than 'happiness'. And you scanned some internet wikis to come to your airtight conviction? Yeah, the world's fucked.

>> No.19278092

start with the sumerians you fucking idiot

>> No.19278103

HAPPINESS IS AN ILLUSION; HOPE: DELUSION.

>> No.19278122

>>19277216

Suffering is often good and happiness often bad, and vice versa

>> No.19278142

>>19277216
They are the inheritors of Socratic optimism. They also have the cultural inheritance of Protestant work ethic. In other words, they are the bugmen of the West.

>> No.19278149

>>19277216
anglos are basically the meds of northern europe. their national character chilled neechy's stony teutonic heart

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>> No.19278214

>>19278176
To print out your own 4chan post... and then take a picture of it? Now that's enlightenment.

>> No.19278516

>>19278214
this is a very rare and valuable post. this is the only known copy of it

>> No.19278528

>>19277216
happiness is unattainable and paradoxically you end being less happier when you pursue it

>> No.19278543

>>19277216
Absolute state of the a*glo. And they ask why we dislike them so much.

>> No.19278601

>>19277216
No one wants happiness. They want power. Even the English wants power, but he's so mediocre and unphilosophical that power for him comes in the form of utilitarian "happiness" that needs nothing more than a full stomach and friendly neighbors.

>> No.19278802

>>19277216
Nietzsche was an idiot.
The most interesting figure influenced by Schopenhauer was Julius Bahnsen.

>> No.19278813

>>19278176
This is very nietzschean and life-affirming. Does Cioran have more like this?

>> No.19278818

>>19278802
Excuse me, anon, but you have only one more post to avert my calling you a genuine retard.

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>>19278813
>nietzschean
> life-affirming.
>Does Cioran

>> No.19278840

>>19278813
>Does Cioran have more like this?
From what I gather no. He’s the anti-Nietzsche

>> No.19278847

>>19278813
> You are obsessed by detachment, purity, nirvana, and yet someone in you whispers: “If you had the courage to formulate your most secret wish, you would say: ‘I’d like to have invented all the vices.’”

>> No.19278851

>>19278823
Ok so you have never read Nietzsche. Anyhow can you now answer me? I want more from Cioran that is similar to that one.

>> No.19278862

>>19278847
Nice. Are these from a particular book or I'll have to face his writings seeking for some gems here and there?

>> No.19278877

>>19278802
>Julius Bahnsen
Nietzsche called him a philosophical ally and he was right, so I'm not sure what makes Bahnsen so much better than Nietzsche to you.

>> No.19278908

>>19278851
> I observe, in terror, the diminution of my hatred of mankind, the loosening of the last link uniting me with it.

>> No.19278926

>>19278862
Not sure which they're from. The books are all good and the themes are similar

>> No.19279743

>>19278103
bad prose.

>> No.19279801

>>19278149
Rofl only an Anglo would be so delusional to think that their autistic asses have anything in common with meds.

>> No.19279805

Toxic gender norms convinced men they should not be happy or have fun

>> No.19279806

>>19279805
Go to sleep burger.

>> No.19279815

>>19278103
No, it's not that happiness is an illusion. We've all felt it. But happiness is transient and contextual, and is not a feeling that can be willed into existence. It's better to strive for meaning, which actually abides.

>> No.19279818

>>19279806
Go suffer or something proud stoic

>> No.19279828

>>19279818
Go watch Netflix

>> No.19279845

>>19277216
>Who doesn't strive for happiness?
Nietzsche is exactly right here when he criticizes "seeking after happiness". Of course, happiness is, all other things being equal, a good thing. But it should be a by-product. You shouldn't seek it. You should strive for other things, and if they're healthy things, then happiness will come along, with luck.

This is a fundamental flaw at the heart of the American constitution:

"Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."

NO. Man is not and should not be entitled to the *pursuit* of happiness. You might say he's entitled to happiness itself — but not the pursuit of it! Nietzsche says this several times in Zarathustra. For example:

"For enjoyment and innocence are the most modest things: neither want to be looked for. One should *have* them — but one should *look* for guilt and pain!"
("Of Old And New Law-Tables")

---

'O Zarathustra', they said, 'are you perhaps looking out for your happiness?' — 'Of what account is happiness?' he answered. 'For long I have not aspired after happiness; I aspire after my work.'
("The Honey Offering")

A society which counts the pursuit of happiness as a good in itself will end up less happy than one which looks to sterner things. If you want evidence of that, look around you. Of course one can go too far the other way, and many societies have done that too. But Nietzsche is basically right here.

>Only the English do that.
He isn't talking about all the English. He's talking about the English "utilitarian" school of philosophy, as he saw it. I don't know what he thought of the English *en masse*, if anything. He had some slightly silly ideas about national populations. For example he affected to despise the Germans and prefer the French (and liked to say he himself was of Polish ancestry). But the Germans are great.

>> No.19279926

When you strive for it, it keeps eluding your grasp and in contrast everything else is unhappy. Now here’s a mind trick that i’m thinking: what if you strive for unhappiness? Keep thinking about unhappy stuff that will also keep out from your grasp for nothing lasts. Adjacently, will everything else look happier in contrast?

>> No.19279942

>>19279815
>We've all felt it
haha...

>> No.19279947

>>19277216
He was nothing but a contrarian about everything. He was the first literary edgelord.

>> No.19279955

>>19277216
Happiness is fleeting, I prefer peace of mind.

>> No.19280012

>>19279845
>t.first semester

>> No.19280657

>>19279805
This is half true. Women's sexual desires created the caricature of the modern male. Same in reverse. Only a few jester-mode sigmas like myself are free to express the full range of their authentic self and get away with it.

>> No.19280660

>>19279942
Just get some good clean cocaine and you'll understand happiness for 15 minutes

>> No.19280672

>>19280657
women didn't have the power to choose anything until 50 years ago with the nanny state

>> No.19280935

>>19277242
>that pic rel
I'm never watching porn again and I'm going to masturbate less.

>> No.19281066

>>19277216
He hates the english because the english are better than him. Same reason he hated everyone else.

>> No.19281147

Anglos are cringe. Always have been.

>> No.19281156

>>19279815


YOU ARE DESCRIBING JOY, WHICH IS AN EMOTION; HAPPINESS SUPPOSEDLY IS A STATE OF BEING.

>> No.19281226

>>19281156
Read Heidegger cumgenius

>> No.19281258

>>19281226


?

>> No.19281280

>>19281258
Your separation of emotion and state of being doesn’t make much sense. Heidegger, especially in his analyses of Parmenides, may help you.

>> No.19281475

>>19281280


I DO NOT THINK SO.

STOP READING GERMANIC PSEUDOPHILOSOPHY.

>> No.19281536

>>19277216
Happiness sounds like "have penis" really fast

>> No.19281553

>>19281475
Parmenides is Germanic now? Also Heidegger was very inspired by presocratics and went counter to a lot of Germanic philosophy. You seem to care more about ethnic identity than philosophy.

>> No.19281563

>>19281553


YES, PARMENIDES WAS GERMANIC, AND I CARE MORE FOR ETHNIC IDENTITY THAN FOR PHILOSOPHY; NOW KEEP CHASING THE HAPPY.

>> No.19281629

>>19278103
>said the cum genius

>> No.19281723

>>19281563
>YES, PARMENIDES WAS GERMANIC, AND I CARE MORE FOR ETHNIC IDENTITY THAN FOR PHILOSOPHY
Well good to know you put vague identity over intellectual substance.
>NOW KEEP CHASING THE HAPPY
My argument did not mention whether happiness should be one’s primary goal. My argument was solely about the separation of emotion and state of being.

>> No.19281750

Even Neetch couldn’t transcend the Anglo seethe no wonder you faggots worship him

>> No.19281754

>>19278103
I always feel sad for you. I pity you.

>> No.19281787

>>19281750
It wasn't seethe, it was banter. Something Anglos claim to be the masters of but seemingly have an inability to grasp.

>> No.19281801

>>19281787
No its seethe when you are lower on the ladder only the people at the top bant

>> No.19282002

>>19281801
Anglos haven't been on top of the ladder for a century now.

>> No.19282549

>>19278103
Use the shift key if your caps lock is stuck.

>> No.19282668

>>19281801
>ladder
Nice spook, kid.