V E R T I C A L I T Y

[Anonymous No.19275410]

Do you choose to stand upright among the ruins?

Or do you lay flay as though twice dead?

[Anonymous No.19275418]

>>19275410
The Super man (Der Übermensch) is vertical, upright, confident, inspired, brave and original

The Last man (Der Untermensch) is horizonal, regressive, insecure, apathetic, cowardly and conformist

[Anonymous No.19275426]

>>19275418
Will carry the torch?

[Anonymous No.19275433]

>>19275426
Or will you drown in the current?

[Anonymous No.19275467]

*clicks lighter*
*inhales*
*PPPFFFFFFFFFF*

Listen here, guy. You're not wrong, your call to action is good, even somewhat necessary. And to give yourself over to an ideology that demands and fosters virtue and drive and strength is commendable no doubt, noble even. But know this: your grandchildren will sing my name and there is nothing you or anyone else here could ever do that will surpass that. So yes, struggle and fight and overcome, but know that, when the time comes, I told you so, and know that I know that I told you so.

[Anonymous No.19275472]

>>19275410
No, I think I’ll go home after I finish looking at the ruins.

[Anonymous No.19275478]

[Anonymous No.19275479]

ok i'm not going to do anything and ride le tigre

[Anonymous No.19275485]

>>19275410
You have got your buck broken by Persuasion and Rhetoric so don't preach your schizophrenia to us ye, copelord. I take refuge in the ruin of Cioran.

[Anonymous No.19275493]

>>19275410
Bro I like Evola and all but this is the second shitpost Evola thread I see in two days. If you want to discuss him then at least mention a set of ideas, a book or a quote.
>>19275479
My dude, Evola is one of the few people who did so much stuff in his life that I am not sure I can recount them all off of the top of my mind.

[Anonymous No.19275499]

>>19275493
he wrote le books, sure showed them libtards
really rode le tigre and le survived in le kali yuga

[Anonymous No.19275548]

>>19275485
Cioran was a crypto-perennialist (gnostic, sufi, buddhist), he is exactly like Evola. Both were even mutually acquainted with Mircea Eliade and Ernst Junger, not to mention they both draw on Spengler. Cioran is just Evola on a very rainy day.

[Anonymous No.19275561]

>>19275467
Who the fuck sare you faggot? Speak!

[Anonymous No.19275576]

>>19275499
Okay, where do we start? I might end up missing a bunch of stuff, but here's a list of the shit he did:
- Fought in the first world war.
- Was an accomplished Dadaist avant-garde painter (his works are still exhibited in Italian museums).
- Wrote poetry.
- Was a part of an esoteric group and had links to esotericists all over Europe.
- Exerted significant influence over the radical right wing political culture of interwar Italy.
- Knew and interacted with many of the most major figures of Italian society at the time (among them various nobles, intellectuals etc such as Marinetti for example).
- Was commissioned by Mussolini to formulate the fascist doctrine on race.
- Was intimately involved in world war two and was one of the first people to greet Mussolini at Hitler's Wolf's Lair after Mussolini was freed from captivity.
- Attempted to create a political circle that would initiate a revolution after the conclusion of the war.
- Oh yeah he also wrote a lot of books on many, many different topics.

[Anonymous No.19275578]

>>19275410
>Do you choose to stand upright among the ruins?
how do i do this

[Anonymous No.19275597]

>>19275578
Read the books bro. The tl;dr is to becoming like a boddhisatva and not let the world condition you so that you can retain your absolute personal autonomy and temporal and spiritual freedom.

[Anonymous No.19275601]

>>19275578
just bee urself

[Anonymous No.19275612]

>>19275478
Evola has the best quotes and, by far, the worst content.

[Anonymous No.19275615]

>>19275561
I told you who I am. The guy whose cock will be kissed for eternity.

[Anonymous No.19275617]

>>19275612
>t. hylic who tried to read the Yoga of Power as his first book

[Anonymous No.19275630]

>>19275597
the virgin too long semicolon did not read
>>19275601
chad tldr

[rag No.19275670]

>>19275410
All masters were killed during the slave uprising. Now all of us are slaves.

[Anonymous No.19275679]

im lying horizontal in bed under a comfy blanket right now

[Anonymous No.19276092]

>>19275410
And how do you "stand upright among the ruins"? By dying without a religion when your whole worldview is based on the sacred?
>muh Evola practiced magic and shit
the UR group died after a few years and Evola was desperate to find initiation in both western and eastern traditions. He admited that he was asking Guenon to tell him if there are any initiatic organizations left in the West and he was also interested in moving to India for kashmir shaivism.
You may like his books for aesthetics or whatever but his life was a total failure. This should make you reconsider his ideas.

[Anonymous No.19276110]

>>19275548
>he is exactly like Evola.
Kek, no.

[Anonymous No.19276113]

>>19275410
What's a good price to sell enrinched percs to nigs in Jacksonville?

[Anonymous No.19276337]

>>19276092
Somebody always has to pop up with this stupid forced dichotomy between Guenon and Evola as if they didn't think highly of each other.
They were both good authors. Coomaraswamy, Schuon and Lings were good authors too, but that doesn't fit a meme. It's such a needlessly divisive waste of time.

[Anonymous No.19276516]

>>19276092
>He admited that he was asking Guenon to tell him if there are any initiatic organizations left in the West
and Guenon said FREEMASONRY
yet Evola completed shot it down

then there's people like Jean Borella who say that catholic sacraments and rites are /trad/

[Anonymous No.19276618]

>>19276337
>forced dichotomy between Guenon and Evola
The core of Guenon's worldview is "non-dualism". Evola didn't agree with it, he had a dualist worldview based on a lunar-solar dichotomy inside the pre-modern world, he saw action in a material way which can somehow lead to metaphysics, he wasn't able to understand the principle of the "unmoved mover". There are many other differences to add but this ones are essential to both of their worldviews. They only fully agreed on "anti-modernity" and the importance of the sacred which is a very vague thing.
>as if they didn't think highly of each other
letter from Guenon to Guido de Giorgio:
"Evola doesn’t lack any pretentions, as you see; but, for my part, I continue to think that he does not understand at all what we mean by ‘intellectuality’, ‘knowledge’, ‘contemplation’, etc., and that he doesn’t even know how to make the distinction between the ‘initiatic’ point of view and the ‘profane’ point of view. It appears that he has the intention to publish a review of my work on the Vedanta in the journal Realistic Idealism; we will see what that will be. In any case, in spite of everything that we have tried to explain to him, he persists in finding ‘rationalism’ in the Vedanta, all while failing to recognize that he then takes this word ‘rationalism’ in a rather different sense that is usually given to it."

[Anonymous No.19276668]

>>19276516
le evil freemasons, I know... mentioning that term is enough to tell us that is le bad, we don't even need to think about it
>Jean Borella
I read his book on Guenon and christianity, a waste of time.
>the sacraments are initiatic because... because they just are, ok? we are christians and therefore our tradition has to be perfect!

[Anonymous No.19276694]

>>19276618
Omfg are you that faggot that *still* does not understand what non-duality means? The solar path is the non-dual one. Jfc this board is so full of pretentious know-it-all's. Solarity is superior to lunarity just as non-duality is to duality.
Identifying that distinction as a dualism rather than the symbolic represrntation of just that difference between non-duality and duality really leaves me without words.
You people neither know the words nor the doctrine. You 19yo little fuck

[Anonymous No.19276709]

>>19276618
Even further, your senseless drivel of what Evola meant by action. You are clearly acting in bad faith and I am now disengaging. Fool.

[Anonymous No.19276783]

>>19276618
>They only fully agreed on "anti-modernity" and the importance of the sacred which is a very vague thing.
But it's the fundamental thing.
Guenon he manged to carry on a polite correspondence with Evola himself where they were able to respectfully and directly discuss all this. He did not, for example, mock Evola for being injured in war. As he says in one of those letters,
>In any case, everything that is discussion and controversy is of a purely profane spirit.
So, being profane, I think it's possible to exaggerate here given that the solar represents for Evola a purely active principle. He even uses Aristotle's unmoved mover as an analogy for this in The Yoga of Power.

[Anonymous No.19276887]

>>19276694
You are actong like the 19 years old here. Evola saw "lunar" as opposite to "solar" which is false. If "solar" is superior that is because is the symbol of the greater mysteries, like gold, while "lunar" is the symbol for the lesser mysteries, like silver. This is not an opposition like Evola saw it, both paths are initiatic.
>>19276783
Evola uses terms which he didn't understand. He wasn't able to see that the role of the kshatriya is femimine in relation to the brahmin. Masculine doesn't mean outward action, but inward and that inward action is achieved by contemplation not war. There is no such thing as "metaphysics of war".

[Anonymous No.19276975]

>>19276887
You truly are Jewish in soul, for you poison the well wherever you go. What a pathetic answer. Go and actually read Evola. All of your claims regarding his doctrine are wrong, painfully so. You rely on the idea of the opposite being a conplete cutoff in this case. Evola again and again says that the solar simply binds the lunar by being its source. You utter, utter clown.
Furthermore he did not base his doctrine on warriordom on fetishization of outward action. He laid out the idea, that outqard action has to happen with inner setachment, which is true action.
You are a weak willed, ill informed and silly man. Cease your silly little lies.

[Anonymous No.19276989]

>>19275612
His content is great, hes like a hyper-contrarian. He manages to be both entertainingly truthful in his opinions and somehow still right wing/religious. The true Dionysian entity.

[Anonymous No.19277002]

>>19275485
>The cope lord himself.

[Anonymous No.19277056]

Ci fosse un razzo di epub/mobi di Rivolta Contro il Mondo Moderno su libgen...

[Anonymous No.19277069]

>>19276092
The best part about memes like this is that they immediately show that you have not read Evola and know nothing about him. There is really no excuse for repeatedly posting the lie that he ranked warriors above priests, for example.
>>19276618
>The core of Guenon's worldview is "non-dualism". Evola didn't agree with it, he had a dualist worldview based on a lunar-solar dichotomy inside the pre-modern world, he saw action in a material way which can somehow lead to metaphysics, he wasn't able to understand the principle of the "unmoved mover". There are many other differences to add but this ones are essential to both of their worldviews. They only fully agreed on "anti-modernity" and the importance of the sacred which is a very vague thing.
Evola was also non-dualist, you're completely confusing his description of various different spiritual types and styles with an endorsement of difference as a principle, which is beyond ridiculous. "Solar" means non-dual, "lunar" means dualist - a perfectly acceptable analogy given the relationship of the sun and the moon to light. Do not slander a man whose work you do not understand.
>>19276887
>Evola uses terms which he didn't understand. He wasn't able to see that the role of the kshatriya is femimine in relation to the brahmin. Masculine doesn't mean outward action, but inward and that inward action is achieved by contemplation not war. There is no such thing as "metaphysics of war".
You continue to expose your total ignorance here. Evola repeatedly referred to kshatriyas separated from the spirit - in other words to kshatriyas made into a principle - as telluric. Affirming, but lightless. A "brahmin", so long as we are referring to a purely speculative and priestly type, is similarly lightless - all of his light is derived from something outside himself, something he can only speculate above. Hence his feminine nature. The situation is different when we are dealing with solar natures - in other words, with people who can detect and identify with the sacred within themselves, rather than outside themselves. This includes sacred kings, it includes brahmins it also includes warriors and even vaishyas and shudras. If you had actually read Metaphysics of War you would know how in a sacred context war is transformed from a profane, feminine and material affair to a challenge of self-overcoming and aspiration for the sacred. Unfortunately, you are not concerned with knowledge, but only with talking. May god help you.

[Anonymous No.19277078]

>>19276887
>There is no such thing as "metaphysics of war"
Yet we have extensive war and war chariot symbolism in Vedic literature.

[Anonymous No.19277129]

>>19275418
>yin and yang but one is LE BAD
What is this hack shit

[Anonymous No.19277133]

>>19276975
>>19277069
>>19277078
The amount of seething in this thread is incredible. I achieved my scope, gentlemen. Have a nice day.

[Anonymous No.19277173]

>>19277133
Well let us hope that you were just pretending to be retarded, then. I am sure you are smarter in the day to day.
>>19277129
Nothing about the principle of death and passivity is "bad" in an objective sense but I am sure that we could all agree applying it in our lives to the fullest extent possible would be unwise.

[Anonymous No.19277328]

>>19277133
>guys i was merely pretending to be retarded and u responded so that means ur retarded trololo
Go back to 2011,fag

[Anonymous No.19277433]

>>19277129
Yin is bad to yang and vice versa.

[Anonymous No.19277492]

>>19277129
Both are necessary. One is master one is slave. One is sufficient, one has need. One must take primacy over the other. You ignore this at your peril.

[Anonymous No.19277498]

>>19275410
im sitting down

[Anonymous No.19277844]

>>19275612
why do you want content from him hes not a youtuber retard
are you trying to find his twitch account? retard?

[Anonymous No.19277958]

>>19275410
The ruins of my people are what inspire us to keep rebuilding. We know what we once were and what we have the potential to be.

[Anonymous No.19278204]

Chud confined to a Wheelchair dreams of standing up.

[Anonymous No.19278404]

>>19278204
Stop being anti semitic. Its because of you that jews legs are broken

[Anonymous No.19279585]

>>19277069
Good answer, I'm glad someone gets it.

[Anonymous No.19279605]

What book of his should I read as a 5'1 manlet

[Anonymous No.19279652]

>>19279605
The Big Book of Tall Tales

[Anonymous No.19279653]

>>19277844
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[Anonymous No.19280154]

>>19275576
Dont forget he was into mountaineering and wrote books about that too. "Meditations on the peaks" is the most practical and applicable advice he ever gave on escaping bourgeois degeneration.

[Anonymous No.19280191]

ITT a huge amount of shitflinging by people who don't get what the difference is between monism and nondualism

[Anonymous No.19280203]

>>19280191
Explain it to us, o wise one.

[Anonymous No.19280225]

>>19280203
It's explained in the first book Guenon published

[Anonymous No.19280294]

Is it possible to get a nice matched set of Guenon in French by the way? I can't tell what's going on with Gallimard and half the books being in some kind of "DERVY" line and the rest being "NRF".

[Anonymous No.19280500]

>>19280294
I am also interested in this. Gallimard editions are modified in some places. This winter there will be 70 years after Guenon death so there will no longer be any copyrights. There is this guy named Tagada who has a blog and I talked to him, he said that maybe he will make some paperbacks out of Guenon's authentic texts which you can find here:
https://www.index-rene-guenon.org/
He already published two books, one is a collection of Guenon's writings under the "le sphinx" pen name.
https://oeuvre-de-rene-guenon.blogspot.com/2015/06/nouvelle-publication-le-sphinx-recueil.html
In any case, wait until there will be no more copyrights, I am sure that many editions will appear in french.

[Anonymous No.19280858]

>>19280500
Great links, thanks. I think you're right that it's better to wait.

[Anonymous No.19280941]

>>19276110
Explain

[Anonymous No.19280950]

>>19276092
>Beautiful elongated face

[Anonymous No.19280983]

>>19275548
Have you read Cioran?

[Anonymous No.19280986]

>>19280858
Until then, I started to buy books from authors which were either collaborators or mentioned in his books. More books are on the way.

[Anonymous No.19281094]

>>19276516
>FREEMASONRY
>>19276618
>The core of Guenon's worldview is "non-dualism".
Can someone initiate me on the symbolism of checkered floors? I thought it was about standing on both black and white at the same time.
Is this dualist, a "trodding over" of dualism, or a rejection of the very idea of dualism?

[Anonymous No.19281680]

>>19280986
sup greekfag

[Anonymous No.19281873]

>>19280986
Very nice stack. Inspires me to keep learning.
I remember we used to have a lot of threads about Les Sept Tours. Must be nice to be in the minority that actually read it.

[Anonymous No.19282155]

>>19280986
>>19280858
redpill me on Fulcanelli
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulcanelli

[Anonymous No.19282280]

>>19280983
Yes, I have. Let me share some of my favorite quotations, in particular those that have a similar attitude as Evola:
Our lack of pride belittles death. Christianity taught us to lower our eyes--to look down--so that death would find us peaceful and meek. Two thousand years of training accustomed us to a quiet, modest, and sure death. We die down. We do not have the courage to look at the sun at the last moment.
>Tears and Saints p. 43
The saint’s method remains the best: only kicks, slaps, and a good beating will be effective in the case of a "depressive."
>The Trouble With Being Born p. 46
A person who wakes up after a night of unbroken sleep has the illusion of beginning something new. When one instead remains awake the whole night long, nothing new begins. At eight in the morning one is in the same condition as at eight at night and one's perspective on things is naturally completely different. I believe that the fact that I have never believed in progress, that I have never allowed myself to be seduced by "progress," has to do with that. One has simply a completely different attitude toward time: not time that passes, but time that will not go away. That alters a life, naturally.
>Salmagundi No. 103, p. 127
To a student who wanted to know where I stood with regard to the author of Zarathustra, I replied that I had long since stopped reading him. Why? "I find him too naive..."
I hold his enthusiasms, his fervors against him. He demolished so many idols only to replace them with others: a false iconoclast, with adolescent aspects and a certain virginity, a certain innocence inherent in his solitary’s career. He observed men only from a distance. Had he come closer, he could have neither conceived nor promulgated the superman, that preposterous, laughable, even grotesque chimera, a crotchet which could occur only to a mind without time to age, to know the long serene disgust of detachment.
Marcus Aurelius is much closer to me. Not a moment’s hesitation between the lyricism of frenzy and the prose of acceptance: I find more comfort, more hope even, in the weary emperor than in the thundering prophet.
>The Trouble With Being Born p. 86
Since the renaissance, nobody has known resignation. Lack of resignation is modern man’s tragic aura. The ancients submitted to their fate. No modern man is humble enough to be resigned. Nor are we familiar with contempt for life. We are not wise enough not to love it with infinite agony.
The ancients did not make so much of their suffering. This, however, is not the case with us, for we rebel against pain.
>Tears and Saints pp. 34-35
I despise Christians because they love men at close quarters. Only in the Sahara could I rediscover love.
>Tears and Saints p. 64
As I said, he's gloomier Evola, or Romanian Mishima if you like. Tell me Evola would fundamentally disagree with any of this?

[Anonymous No.19282530]

>>19280154
I wanted to include that in my list when I first started writing the post but I ended up forgetting lol. Thanks for pitching in.
>>19282280
Not that anon but the context of these quotes would be extremely important in making a judgement. It is notable that Evola heavily drew on people he had very sharp disagreements with, such as Nietzsche, so he could probably find some common ground with pretty much anyone even remotely based, but that would still not imply agreement.
Anyway, to illustrate what I mean, take a look at the second Tears and Saints quote. What does "resignation" mean here? Evola affirmed the traditional view that attachment to life is a flaw, but at the same time he would have strongly objected to a worldview that conceives of the human being as fundamentally and eternally defeated and subordinate to the forces of nature and fate. Detachment from life leads to strength and wisdom, indifference/resignation towards life leads to weakness and pain.
Many of the statements you have shared can be interpreted either in a positive or a negative way when we lack the context of Cioran's fundamental orientation.

[Anonymous No.19282649]

>>19279653
Somebody give this glorious man among the ruins a medal

[Anonymous No.19282813]

>>19281680
who is the greek fag, you or me? I am not greek

[Anonymous No.19282850]

>>19282813
nvm, there's a greekfag who is a guenon autist and knows french
anyways, >>19282155

[Anonymous No.19282875]

>>19282850
I don't know who Fulcanelli is.

[Anonymous No.19282884]

>>19282530
>Many of the statements you have shared can be interpreted either in a positive or a negative way
That's exactly why I clarified that he is gloomier Evola. I agree that Evola was not a pessimist nor a defeatist (though Ride the Tiger certainly has a few such notes, probably because he was trapped in urban Rome, like Cioran in Paris), whereas Cioran was as acerbic and bitter as it got. My point is that >>19275485 is wrong to make Cioran out to be an antipode to Evola; they are both anti-progressives who see the illusion of time and criticize the consequences of falling for it in culture, ethics, politics, etc. The difference is not in fundamental orientation, but rather in aesthetics.
>Detachment from life leads to strength and wisdom, indifference/resignation towards life leads to weakness and pain.
As I said, the difference between detachment and indifference/resignation is aesthetics. Both thinkers see the same emptiness at the bottom of modernity's spasmatic activism, and both choose what the Buddhists call pabbajja, "departure", from it. You may choose the warrior path with Evola and embark on mountainclimbing, fencing, etc. or the contemplative path with Cioran, quietly stalking the streets of Paris; two modes of the same basic attitude.

[Anonymous No.19282934]

>>19282530
Just to continue >>19282884, I suppose I can at least see your point insofar as they both know what they're revolting against, but only Evola has a positive vision of what he's revolting in the name of (whereas Cioran has only vague notions of Being or the Unconditioned scattered in his aphorisms and essays).

[Anonymous No.19283114]

>>19276092
Admit that you aren't even a guenonfag, you're a leftist subhuman just interested in shittalking him without exposing yourself

[Anonymous No.19283162]

>>19275576
>- Was a part of an esoteric group and had links to esotericists all over Europe.
When he was 27 he was the co-founder, editor of their journal and possibly the leader, he took it over eventually.

He supposedly had affairs with Maria Naglowska and Sibella Aleramo (look them up), he influenced Mircea Eliade, was referenced by Jung, had private meetings with Himmler, was allowed to study secret documents of secret societies confiscated by the nazis, and many other things. He was crazy. Oh and he makes trannies seethe 100 years later.

[Anonymous No.19283175]

>>19276337
This. Most if not all of their differences in opinion come from differences of character (brahmin vs ksatriya).
>the sacred which is a very vague thing.
I don't think you've read Guenon, you liar. The letter you're quoting came from before Evola was 30. Later on he changed a lot. He was in correspondence with Guenon until the latter's death. And what you are saying about non dualism also makes me think that you haven't read either of them.
>Evola saw action in a material way
This is so stupid. Don't read them, you have no idea what they're talking about.

[Anonymous No.19284125]

>>19282884
>>19282934
That's fair enough anon. I don't know much of anything about Cioran so I can't really comment here.
>>19283175
>This. Most if not all of their differences in opinion come from differences of character (brahmin vs ksatriya).
They didn't even really disagree on that, Evola just thought that it would be easier to introduce Tradition to the West by using the state instead of the Catholic Church.

[Anonymous No.19284286]

>>19275418
>tfw you are a last man

[Anonymous No.19285115]

>>19282155
Well, somebody told me recently that Evola's interest in alchemy was partly a result of being introduced to Claude Lablatinière d'Ygé by Maria Naglowska, and that d'Ygé knew Fulcanelli's student Eugène Canseliet. Might be an interesting avenue to research.

[Anonymous No.19285394]

>>19280986
Very based. Can you redpill me on L'Archéomètre?

[Anonymous No.19285419]

>>19275410

I am the definition of the last man. Just sitting around a NEET for decades, fapping and waiting for the world to end

[Anonymous No.19285429]

>>19275410
"Where we're standing right now, in the ruins in the dark, what we build could be anything."

[Anonymous No.19285642]

>>19280154
>Dont forget he was into mountaineering
I wonder why...
>The one thing dreaded throughout by such a type of man is to be bound to anything whatever. There is a terrific fear of being pinned down, of entering space and time completely, and of being the singular human being that one is. There is always the fear of being caught in a situation from which it may be impossible to slip out again. Every just-so situation is hell. At the same time, there is a highly symbolic fascination for dangerous sports – particularly flying and mountaineering – so as to get as high as possible, the symbolism being to get away from reality, from the earth, from ordinary life. If this type of complex is very pronounced, many such men die young in airplane crashes and mountaineering accidents.
>I know a young man, a classical example of the puer aeternus, who did a tremendous amount of mountaineering but so much hated carrying a rucksack that he preferred to train himself even to sleep in the rain or snow and wrap himself up in a silk raincoat and, with a kind of Yoga breathing, was able to sleep out of doors. He also trained himself to go practically without food, simply in order not to have to carry any weight. He roamed about for years all over the mountains of Europe and other continents, sleeping under trees or in the snow. In a way he led a very heroic existence, just in order not to be bound to go to a hut or carry a rucksack. You might say that this was symbolic, for such a young man in real life does not want to be burdened with any kind of weight. The one thing he absolutely refuses is responsibility for anything, or to carry the weight of a situation.

[Anonymous No.19285685]

>>19285642
You have never read Evola.

[Anonymous No.19285695]

>>19285642
you posted this bitch in another Evola thread and are seeking to get the same response, it is certainly true that men are generally involved in crashes and accidents much more than women, it is because they are by nature risk-takers, they have a desire for heroism, this cynical bitch just immediately jumps on that virtue that has built civilization and art and calls it being irresponsible.

[Anonymous No.19285699]

>>19275410
how do I even get started with him, should I read guenon beforehand? if anyone has a chart dump it on me

[Anonymous No.19285727]

>>19285695
It's not even worth addressing anon. Evola explicitly denounced daredevilry and also very clearly explains in Meditation on the Peaks that mountainclimbing imbues consciousness with an icy and transcendent quality. To Evola, mountain climbing is the exact opposite of abandoning reality - it's about transcending earthly reality and closing the gap between heaven and earth. In that regard, the symbolism of going beyond the earth in and of itself is true, but as with everything psychoanalysis related, it's a completely one-dimensional analysis that, since it excludes the possibility of the existence of a heavenly dimension to life, necessarily fails to see the point.
>>19285699
You don't need Guenon, I started with Evola and I am doing really well. I don't like the Evola chart so I will just say start with what interests you. Finding your way in the world? Ride the Tiger. Understanding religion? Doctrine of Awakening is a very good analysis of how a religion functions even if you don't want to be a Buddhist. Just more general Evola? Revolt or Men Among the Ruins. Want quick and pleasant reads where you can pick and choose topics easily? Read his essay compilations, Bow and the Club and Recognitions. Enjoy the ride.

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>>19285727
thanks anon, I'm looking forward to his works, I think I'll start with path to cinnabar.

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>>19285747
If you already like Evola, that might be a good choice, but you should know that Cinnabar is an overview of his life's work. It was one of the later books I read. You'll know if you like it either way though, so have fun.

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>>19285727
What can you transcend with mountainclimbing? I don't get it.

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>>19285795
not him but if you haven't already tried working out, you will be a different man once you have acquired some sense of pride and strength, I've yet to climb a mountain but I can assume the feeling is the same when you climb a mountain It is a spiritual exercise, Nietzche shilled climbing mountains as well.

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>>19285685
I've read some.
>>19285695
Quite an emotional response. It's almost as if the quote hit a complex...
>>19285727
Well, it isn't an analysis of mountaineering per se, but of the psychology of the 'eternal youth' type. It's just funny that Evola fits the bill of so many of the examples. I have nothing against Evola himself, but I find all of the 'Evolians' on /lit/ amusing.
>it excludes the possibility of the existence of a heavenly dimension to life
and this is a bit of an overstatement, which you would realize if you were honest.

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>>19285809
Oh ok, I understand it now. But this feeling belongs only to your psyche, I don't see how is spiritual in a supra-human sense.

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>>19275578
Use your leg muscles

[Anonymous No.19285858]

>>19285828
It’s a retarded quote, and you choose to be smug about it

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>>19285836
Not him, but I think the idea is that the atmosphere and symbolism of the mountain lend themselves to a sense of inner detachment, which is synthesized with the external action of climbing to produce something like wu-wei.

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>>19285642
>According to the Chinese historian Ssa Ma Chien, Confucius uttered this statement after meeting Lao-tzu: "It is possible to set a trap in order to catch animals; it is "possible to catch fishes with nets and to catch birds with arrows. But how will one capture, the dragon which flies in the air, above the, clouds? Today I have seen Lao-tzu. He reminded me of the dragon."

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>>19285642
Seems based.
>>19285695
There's nothing wrong with irresponsibility. And the other quote was based as well. You must be spooked.

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>>19285848
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>>19285642
>there are so.ys that think this is a bad thing and there should be less of it in the world

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>>19275410

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[Anonymous No.19286774]

>>19285795
Read Meditations on the Peaks. After reading through tons of Evola's other works, Meditations on the Peaks is what tied transcendence to immanence. In Meditations on the Peaks, Evola describes how when one is engaged in mountain climbing - contrary to normal consciousness which is diffused, muddled and chaotic - a very focussed, austere and lofty mindset is naturally attained. He described this as the mind attaining a "icy", transcendent quality. The act of mountain climbing adjusts and prepares the environment of the psyche for the presence of the transcendent dimension. The immanent form (psyche) therefore receives a new transcendent quality (spiritual concentration).
There's also many possible symbolic meanings and experiences that can be undergone through mountain climbing which can also further refine and uplift the experience.
>>19285828
>I've read some.
I doubt it lol.
>It's just funny that Evola fits the bill of so many of the examples. I have nothing against Evola himself, but I find all of the 'Evolians' on /lit/ amusing.
All those are weird half-statements and consequently I can't respond to this. If you don't have anything against Evola, don't shill against him. If you want to dunk on "Evolians" then feel free and if you're right then I will join you too, even though I am an "Evolian" myself.
>and this is a bit of an overstatement, which you would realize if you were honest.
It's not and Evola explains why. Psychoanalysis takes the perspective of the earthly human individual and therefore consequently reduces everything that can manifest within the individual down to some material, biologistic, conditioned or collectivistic aspect.

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Frens, where can I read more about Guénon's change of heart on Buddhism?

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>>19275410
the clergy has been corrupted by the state
before the french revolution the state was a weak cripple and the world was decentralized
Evola wants to build up what destroyed religion in the first place

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>>19286954
>he doesn't know about he Organic State

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>>19287024
Whose the guy in the middle then?

[Anonymous No.19287060]

>>19287024
Checkmate.

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>>19285115
interdasting...

[Anonymous No.19287885]

>>19286774
>I doubt it lol.
Why would I lie? I've read Ride the Tiger and The Hermetic Tradition. Reading Evola doesn't automatically make you "an aristocrat of the soul", regardless of what the Evolians of /lit/ think of themselves. And regarding psychoanalysis – or rather, analytical psychology – yes, I know what Evola says about this, but he is simply an uncharitable reader, especially when it comes to Jung.