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Anonymous Thu Oct 21 19:14:57 2021 No.19267639 [Reply] [Original]

>reading pic related
>half the jokes have to be explained with footnotes

a joke isn't really funny if it has to be explained. i already lel'd out loud several times in my surface level reading anyway, which is rare for a book, but at the same time i feel that too much of it will go over the average reader's head. you really have to be immersed in 16th/17th century spanish culture to get the full effect of this book as the author intended, which makes me suspect that many people who uphold it as the greatest novel of all time are just larpers. how the fuck is this going to be your favorite novel of all time when most of the content will fly over the head of just about every single person alive today.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 21 19:17:41 2021 No.19267657 The book is more than just a collection of funny jokes. Quixote and Sancho are eternal characters.

Anonymous Thu Oct 21 19:18:15 2021 No.19267660

>too much of it will go over the average readers head

why would this ever be a consideration when determining if a book is a great work or not? Don Quixote was one of the best books ive read by far, im sure i didn't pick up on every little reference being made but for the most part it made sense to me and was still hysterical at times. not to mention profoundly moving

>>	࿇ C Œ M G E N V S ࿇ !KNDY/Ar.iI Thu Oct 21 19:19:30 2021 No.19267665 THREADS LIKE THIS ONE ARE WHAT HAPPEN WHEN AN AVERAGE «PROTESTANT» —WORSE: AN ANGLOPROTESTANT— ATTEMPTS TO READ ACTUAL LITERATURE.

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Anonymous Thu Oct 21 19:23:59 2021 No.19267685
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>>19267657
Well sure but I just meant the references in general. There's no way you can pick this shit up and understand even close to half of the references without footnotes or a deep familiarity with the time period and I guarantee the footnotes don't cover more than a small fraction of them anyway. Much of it is based on making fun of other lowbrow novels of the time nobody today has heard of. In that way it is a very timely novel, and like I said even if you don't get half that shit it's still a great read. But the point is I'm having a hard time believing this is the celebrated favorite novel of so many people, is it possible for a book to be your favorite if you don't even get most of it?

Imagine if I said the Bible was my favorite book but I had never heard of Christianity before and just liked to laff at the funny characters.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 21 19:29:07 2021 No.19267701 File: 1.74 MB, 600x340, 1463637342435.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19267665 cumgenus lol

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 21 19:29:09 2021 No.19267703 >>19267639 Filtered. Jokes are classified by their dependence on a situation or language. Jokes that depend on the language often cannot be translated, so either learn Spanish or get filtered pleb

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 21 19:31:07 2021 No.19267715 >>19267703 Modern spaniards don't know about 17th century chivalric romance either.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 21 20:27:58 2021 No.19267961 >>19267665 Based KEVIN

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 21 20:34:22 2021 No.19267980 >>19267639 i have that version and i found there are not a whole lot of footnotes! I don't know what you're talking about

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 21 20:48:02 2021 No.19268035 doan kwickzote

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 21 23:22:02 2021 No.19268601 >>19267660 >why would this ever be a consideration when determining if a book is a great work or not? it doesn't, it simply calls into question a book's popular reputation.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 21 23:23:30 2021 No.19268608 >>19267685 If your last paragraph was true, I would want to be your friend and defend you from the world.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 22 04:40:21 2021 No.19269469 >>19267980 there are at least 2 every other page. what are you on about.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 22 04:48:37 2021 No.19269489 >>19267685 I think what makes it so great is that a person really can enjoy it so much without actually understanding all those references. It can fully be appreciated as a wacky buddy adventure.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 22 04:49:47 2021 No.19269493 >>19267639 great books aren't considered great because the average reader can grasp them easily lol

Anonymouṡ Fri Oct 22 05:29:47 2021 No.19269581

>>19267639
This might be right but might not be. For sure, you miss out on some of the pungent immediacy, but that's probably not as big a part of it as you think.

To take another example: consider Alice in Wonderland. There are lots of erudite and/or contemporary references in there that people now don't get. In all the little songs and things, Lewis Carroll was parodying popular moralising verses of the time (mostly someone called Isaac Watts, IIRC). And lots of the characters are portraits of contemporary figures — politicians, philosophers, academics Carroll knew personally, etc. Also even a lot of the arguments are parodies of philosophical positions being debated at the time (like Bishop Berkely, etc).

But the book is still great even if all these are lost forever. Mostly I think because if you parody something well, you're laughing at an *eternal* foolishness, not just a specific, localised one. So even readers hundreds of years later get most of what really matters.

Anonymous Fri Oct 22 07:25:13 2021 No.19269952
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>>19267665
No man. I'm a Mexicano with College Educated parents and Qeehoetay is too archaic and boring to be revived in Latin present consciousness. The cynicism remains. The wit is lost. It's now an obscure elective for literature majors. There is no more culture exchange only consoom content on a platform.

Anonymous Fri Oct 22 11:18:51 2021 No.19270637
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>>19268601
>year of our lord 1600
>"wow that is a really great book, maybe the best book of our beloved country!"
>400 years later
>"muh this book has no connection to nowadays, really lame author only writes to people from the past"

࿇ C Œ M G E N V S ࿇ !KNDY/Ar.iI Fri Oct 22 12:40:00 2021 No.19270979
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>No man. I'm a Mexicano with College Educated parents and Qeehoetay is too archaic and boring to be revived in Latin present consciousness. The cynicism remains. The wit is lost. It's now an obscure elective for literature majors. There is no more culture exchange only consoom content on a platform.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 22 12:45:59 2021 No.19271007 >>19269952 You are just retarded.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 22 12:49:35 2021 No.19271028 >>19267639 Why would you want normal people to understand your book? I wouldn’t want to associate with such a low brow herd in any way

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 22 14:16:37 2021 No.19271428 >>19267639 Not everyone is a drooling retard.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 22 14:25:46 2021 No.19271467 >>19267685 So go read the books it references. This is /lit/. >>19269581 No it isn't. Without those references you might as well read someone's dream journal.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 22 14:46:08 2021 No.19271553 >>19270979 Cumgenius, did you change your trip? Go back to my filter.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 22 16:42:34 2021 No.19272103 >>19267685 I got the references, zoomer. Plebs, stay away of the Quixote, it's for you the masses

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 22 16:43:35 2021 No.19272111 >>19272103 it's for not* you the masses

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 22 21:37:27 2021 No.19273277 >>19272103 Some of those books are lost media faggot.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 22 21:41:52 2021 No.19273299 >>19273277 List them.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 22 21:42:24 2021 No.19273303 >>19271007 Okay pretend youre in the Spanish Golden Age and simp for some Dulcenia on Only Fans oh you noblest of knights!

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 22 21:54:58 2021 No.19273344 >>19270637 nobody said that.

Anonymous Sat Oct 23 04:53:45 2021 No.19274481

>>19267639
The part where DQ mashes a bunch of random shit together and makes the balsam that he vomits onto Sancho's face making him vomit in turn was hilarious just for how out of the blue it was and how different it was from all of the humor that led up to it.

Anonymous Sat Oct 23 05:45:31 2021 No.19274588

>>19267639
>A work of literature from a diferent culture and time period is difficult to understand without footnotes
Shocking.
How many people alive today would know who Francesca da Rimini is? I'm pretty sure 90% of this board would need to google the name.
Why does the fact that you have to read the footnotes make the book less enjoyable? Footnotes are the only way you can actually enjoy such works of literature, they would be absolutely impenetrable without them.
And that's without talking about the actual different cultures, like Indian, Chinese, Japanese, etc.
This is literally the same argument that people make when they want to swap out classics for woke YA in school curricula because retarded zoomers can't relate to actual literature.
You should read more,really.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 23 06:14:41 2021 No.19274682 >>19267639 >supposed to be one of the greatest novels ever written >it's just a cheap orlando furioso knockoff

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 23 12:01:02 2021 No.19275716 >>19274682 >>19267639 Hey where do I get a list of all the works referenced? I mean are there more than just listed in the library in the beginning?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 23 12:03:46 2021 No.19275726 >>19275716 https://slantedbookshelf.com/27-books-mentioned-in-don-quixote/

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