Antinatalism is a Perennial Truth

[Anonymous No.19265812]

Wisdom Of Silenus:
>"You, most blessed and happiest among humans, may well consider those blessed and happiest who have departed this life before you, and thus you may consider it unlawful, indeed blasphemous, to speak anything ill or false of them, since they now have been transformed into a better and more refined nature. This thought is indeed so old that the one who first uttered it is no longer known; it has been passed down to us from eternity, and hence doubtless it is true. Moreover, you know what is so often said and passes for a trite expression. What is that, he asked? He answered: It is best not to be born at all; and next to that, it is better to die than to live; and this is confirmed even by divine testimony. Pertinently to this they say that Midas, after hunting, asked his captive Silenus somewhat urgently, what was the most desirable thing among humankind. At first he could offer no response, and was obstinately silent. At length, when Midas would not stop plaguing him, he erupted with these words, though very unwillingly: 'you, seed of an evil genius and precarious offspring of hard fortune, whose life is but for a day, why do you compel me to tell you those things of which it is better you should remain ignorant? For he lives with the least worry who knows not his misfortune; but for humans, the best for them is not to be born at all, not to partake of nature's excellence; not to be is best, for both sexes. This should be our choice, if choice we have; and the next to this is, when we are born, to die as soon as we can.' It is plain therefore, that he declared the condition of the dead to be better than that of the living."

Hegesias of Cyrene, Death by Starvation:
>The book was called Death by Starvation or The Death-Persuader. According to the Roman orator Cicero (lived 106 – 43 BC), the entire book was essentially an argument for why everyone should just give up on life and kill themselves.

Ecclesiastes 4:1
>Again I looked and saw all the oppression that was taking place under the sun: I saw the tears of the oppressed-- and they have no comforter; power was on the side of their oppressors-- and they have no comforter.
Ecclesiastes 4:2
>And I declared that the dead, who had already died, are happier than the living, who are still alive.
Ecclesiastes 4:3
>But better than both is the one who has never been born, who has not seen the evil that is done under the sun.


THE DIALOGUE OF PESSIMISM, MESOPOTAMIAN WISDOM
>What then is good? To have my neck and yours broken, Or to be thrown into the river, is that good?
>Who is so tall as to ascend to heaven? Who is so broad as to encompass the entire world?

First Two Noble Truth of Buddhism:
>dukkha (suffering, incapable of satisfying, painful) is an innate characteristic of existence in the realm of samsara;
>samudaya (origin, arising) of this dukkha, which arises or "comes together" with taṇhā ("craving, desire or attachment")

[Anonymous No.19265890]

>>19265812
Yeah, it's hard to argue with this but I don't care. I will inevitably get a girl pregnant.

[Anonymous No.19266550]

>>19265890
suuuuure

[Anonymous No.19266557]

[Anonymous No.19266560]

>>19265812
I was once a kid, and I was happy, and I still am happy. I love my children, and they are happy.
Perennial truth my ass.

[Anonymous No.19266565]

We get it, youre depressed

[Anonymous No.19266598]

>>19265812
We have this thread every fucking day. >Abloo bloo bloo, me sad therefore you must depopulate :^|
Can you just do something with yourself to save everyone else the trouble? Block 4chan in the hosts file or something

[Anonymous No.19267525]

>>19265812
>Hegesias of Cyrene, Death by Starvation:
promortalism is not the same as antinatalism

[Anonymous No.19267560]

>>19267525
Why bring another life if you affirm death?

[Anonymous No.19267627]

>>19265812
Why do we have this thread every day?

[Anonymous No.19267677]

>>19267560
I'm not disputing antinatalism, I'm just pointing out that it's not the same as promortalism and the existence of promortalism is not support for antinatalism.

[Anonymous No.19267700]

>>19267677
I understand

Are you an anti-natalist, though? I'm curious

[Anonymous No.19267718]

>tfw we will NEVER get a complete copy of Death by Starvation

[Anonymous No.19267729]

>The Buddhistic assumption that the extinction of that consciousness is the highest end of human life, is untenable, for there is no recipient of results. For a person who has got a thorn stuck into him, the relief of the pain caused by it is the result (he seeks); but if he dies, we do not find any recipient of the resulting cessation of pain. Similarly, if consciousness is altogether extinct and there is nobody to reap that benefit, to talk of it as the highest end of human life is meaningless. If that very entity or self, designated by the word ‘person’—consciousness, according to you—whose well-being is meant, is extinct, for whose sake will the highest end be? But those who believe in a self different from consciousness and witnessing many objects, will find it easy to explain all phenomena such as the remembrance of things previously seen and the contact and cessation of pain—the impurity, for instance, being ascribed to contact with extraneous things, and the purification to dissociation from them.
- Adi Shankara (pbuh)

[Anonymous No.19267827]

Cioran himself exposed vague regret for being "sterile" in a late interview.

[Anonymous No.19267850]

>When the ordinary thought of a highly cultivated people begins to regard "having children" as a question of pro's and con's, the great turning-point has come. For Nature knows nothing of pro and con. Everywhere, wherever life is actual, reigns an inward organic logic, an "it," a drive, that is utterly independent of waking-being, with its causal linkages, and indeed not even observed by it. The abundant proliferation of primitive peoples is a natural phenomenon, which is not even thought about, still less judged as to its utility or the reverse. When reasons have to be put forward at all in a question of life, life itself has become questionable.

[Anonymous No.19267887]

>>19267850
Based? Based I think

[Anonymous No.19268071]

>>19267700
Yes

[Anonymous No.19268143]

Any former antinatalists?
How the fuck did that happen?

captcha: PPDOG

[Anonymous No.19268159]

>>19268143
PPDOG lol

[Anonymous No.19268382]

>>19268143
>Any former antinatalists?
Yes
>How the fuck did that happen?
A set of big titties and wide hips

[Anonymous No.19268421]

>>19266557
>kissing feet

[Anonymous No.19268492]

>>19265812
Leap that wall and kill yourself, if you're so great.

[Anonymous No.19268501]

>>19268382
Antinatalism can't survive first contact with pussy.

[Anonymous No.19268540]

>>19268501
Pussy is one thing. A woman shaped like an hourglass though, that's life-affirming. All of philosophy refuted when you're staring in the face of Life itself, trying to pull out . . . time dilates . . . all questions end. WHO AMONG YOU???

[Anonymous No.19268546]

>>19268540
thats just hormones though

[Anonymous No.19268657]

Why don't antinatalists go spread their philosophy to Africa where the birth rate is four times larger than the West? Why do they just continuously bitch about it here when the guys one continent over are shitting out babies daily? Why don't these whiny faggots ever talk about the third world? Fucking cowards.

[࿇ C Œ M G E N V S ࿇ !KNDY/Ar.iI No.19268660]

ANTINATALISM IS ANTILIFE; ANTILIFE IS PRODEATH; ANTINATALISM IS KRYPTOSATANISM.

STOP POLLUTING THIS BOARD WITH YOUR OFF TOPIC MORBID DRIVEL, PATHETIC DETRITVS OF A HUMAN.

[Anonymous No.19268707]

>>19268657
Africa is why most people are antinatalist desu

[Anonymous No.19268771]

>>19268657
Africa ain't nothin'.
India and southeast China is where they're stacked three-deep.

[Anonymous No.19268815]

[Anonymous No.19268830]

>>19268421
poisoned brain

[Anonymous No.19268844]

>>19265812
You promote suicide yet you are still alive
Curious

[Anonymous No.19268897]

>>19268815
that's pretty good. I'm going to steal it. needs a better basedboy for the bottom

[Anonymous No.19268907]

>>19268844
No one is "promoting" suicide retard. I am just deboonking the bullshit claim that antinatalism/pessimism is conspiracy by da joo or an ideology of le modern lastman bugmanism drenched in le horror of bugman enlightenment. Pessimism is as ancient as humanity.

[Anonymous No.19268969]

>>19267827

Doesn't invalidate anything, the human instincts have a way of winning out over the intellect.

[Anonymous No.19268990]

>>19267827
>>19268969
>Cioran himself exposed vague regret for being "sterile" in a late interview.
Source?

[Anonymous No.19269001]

>>19268844

You forgot the latter part of the comic where the guy fancies himself to be intelligent and clever (and, in context, isn't). that's you.

[Anonymous No.19269022]

>>19268990
Might have been that interview with his girlfriend anon posted last week

[Anonymous No.19269052]

>>19269022
>My vision of the future is so exact that if I had children, I should strangle them here and now.
I think he is bullshitting us because this is what Cioran said about kids in Trouble with Being Born, kek. I know it's a witty remark but still

This is what he said about on this topic, in the last book of aphorisms that he published, Anathemas

>Those children I never wanted to have — if only they knew what happiness they owe me!

[Anonymous No.19269202]

>>19265812
Yes, some people have been bitch made since recorded history

[Anonymous No.19269259]

>>19266560
Let me follow your dumbass around for a couple months with a camera crew to see how happy you really are lol

[Anonymous No.19269355]

>>19265812
Shut the fuck, you're a monkey with a bad life or in a bad patch, you're trying to cope with an absurd world, that's ok, everyone needs to cope, I cope, everyone copes.
But cope on your own, get your hedonism somewhere else. Let the rest of us monkeys live their lives, however, they are.
This is a rope or cope (Hope too, but that's much rarer) world, if you hate it so much go rope.

[Anonymous No.19269663]

>>19266560
>I was once a slave, and I was happy, and I still am happy. I love my slaves, and they are happy.

[Anonymous No.19269670]

>>19268660

Life is pro-death.

[Anonymous No.19269694]

>>19265812
>has to rely on all this bugmen eastern philosophy to justify being alone
>meanwhile familychads have a nice outing with their kids
kek

[Anonymous No.19269704]

>>19269694
Silenus was a Greek God

[Anonymous No.19269706]

>>19269704
silenus was a homo drunk, probably like OP

[Anonymous No.19269712]

>>19269706
So what? He was also the master of Dionysus

[Anonymous No.19269720]

>>19269712
yeah another drunk homo, just like OP

[Anonymous No.19269736]

>>19269720
At least he isn't larping as a normalfag on a Mongolian cartoon porn forum.

[Anonymous No.19269941]

>>19268907
>Pessimism is as ancient as humanity
Yes depressed people have always existed and they're depressing philosophy hasn't exactly contributed to anything of value except more depression. Of course the elites want to push it on people to make them weaker. Why the fuck do you think perscribing SRIs is so popular today?

[Anonymous No.19269967]

>>19269941
You're talking about other kind of pessimism which is psychological. This thread is about "Philosophical Pessimism" in that you don't see depression as a mental illness but that person possesses an objective view of reality. Also why would elites push an ideology which basically say, why bother? They need endless amounts of "hustler" slaves to keep lubricating the wheel of economy with their sweat and blood. If they're pushing pessimism then why euthenasia isn't an option of adult? Why it is a taboo in the society talk about it? Societies run on the dose of optimism, whoever can sell them the most idealistic bullshit about future wins.

[Anonymous No.19270065]

>>19266560
come back to me when your children are fully grown and fucking around to see if you're still happy

[Anonymous No.19270070]

>>19268492
the amount of asshurt antinatalism arouses on this board really proves it right. also if killing yourself was the logical conclusion then Mainlander already finished philosophy.

[Anonymous No.19270088]

>>19268143
Life is unfair, bringing life into this world is bringing about untold struggle and suffering on subsequent generations

But how is that my problem lmao?

[Anonymous No.19270089]

>>19269967
>Also why would elites push an ideology which basically say, why bother? They need endless amounts of "hustler" slaves to keep lubricating the wheel of economy with their sweat and blood.
The pessimistic memetics is being targeted at white males. Do you see any depressed blacks around you? They are getting promoted to better jobs and more wealth, as a carrot to keep them beeing the hustlers of the economic wheel. The poorer immigrants don't have time to be depressed since they need to work and feed their families, they're also working ants serving (((them))). White males in europe and the US on the other hand have been continuously pushed out of their positions of power since ww2 by joos, women and POCs. Their biggest fear is white males uniting against them, similar to what Hitler did. Why do you think nationalism is so stigmatized? White nationalism is the demonic Other they're created for this purpose, together with poising the white youth with feminized, multicultural, libdem socialist bullshit to make them hate themselves. Not to mention liberation women so that they easily can divorce when a marriage or relationship feels uncomfortable for them they can easily pull the plug, get child custody and leave the child fatherless, thus feminizing it further to become a balanced healthy individual.

Don't know why I need to explain this to you, this is like babby's first red pill

[Anonymous No.19270094]

>>19270089
phone poast, excuse me

[Anonymous No.19270112]

>>19270089
>The pessimistic memetics is being targeted at white males.
Wrong, I am le """brown""" man from a 3rd world country. But sure go ahead and keep projecting. I am not going to read rest of the /pol/tard bullshit.

[Anonymous No.19270118]

>>19265812
RAPE IS PERENNIAL TRUTH
HNNNGGH

[Anonymous No.19270119]

>>19267729
>The Buddhistic assumption that the extinction of that consciousness is the highest end of human life
Good thing Shankara announces his straw-men at the beginning of his arguments, so you don't have to read the whole piece of shit.

[Anonymous No.19270125]

>>19270112
>exception to the rule is relevant to the rule
fuck off

[Anonymous No.19270142]

>>19270125
What rule bro? Most pessimist philosophers are European or western. Modern Philosophical Pessimism can be traced back to Schopenhauer who was polish by blood. Contemporary Pessimists are "white" too like Ligotti, John Gray, Julio Cabrera.

Biggest antinatalist movement is active in India.

[Anonymous No.19270166]

>>19270118
Pessimism as a philosophical Truth also see >>19268907

[Anonymous No.19270280]

>>19270166
Pessimism is pretty gay.

[Anonymous No.19270282]

>>19268657
Benatar literally lives in Africa and is a professor of philosophy at the University of Cape Town, you fucking retard. Antinatalists talk about suffering in third world countries as a demonstrative point all the time. You have no idea what you're talking about.

[Anonymous No.19270409]

>>19270142
>the smartest pessimists are/were white
No shit
>biggest antinatalist movement is in india
Doesn't matter. I was talking about pessimism in the West, and that it's being mostly targeted at white males. Nothing you said refutes that.

[Anonymous No.19270506]

>>19270409
First of all, no European call themselves "white". Second is that you're talking about " white" males like they are dumb fucking subhumans who don't know what's good and isn't good for them. It might be surprise to you but most philosophical pessimists are highly cultured people who come to these conclusions by actively engaging with philosophy. So you better stop insulting them by saying that they're eating up some bullshit conspiracy and you know better. Silenus was a Greek God, Schopenhauer was a German. Keep coping how much you want to but "white" males aren't following some outsider philosophy. Believe it or not but as a 3rd world citizen I know many people who have share their pessimistic ramblings but they don't commit to it due to religion, status quo which limit all critical thinking to prevent people seeking knowledge outside of their shitty little framework that they have provided them with because they need braindead obedient yes saying hustlers drones, they have no backgrounds in philosophy to know what they're saying and why they are saying and still busy themselves by chasing the dreams of one day getting rich and leaving their shitholes towns for cities. I can say for sure if the critical was common then we would see much bigger numbers of pessimists especially in poverty ridden shitholes.

Keep in mind that I am not talking about psychological pessimist but philosophical pessimism or cosmic pessimism which is a worldview and make wider claims about the world.

[Anonymous No.19270517]

>>19270409
Do you think anyone is happy in western society?

[Anonymous No.19270535]

>>19268382
>>19268501
I consider myself a pessimist/misanthrope rather than antinatalist and all of my feelings and opinions remained the same after sex. I'm heavily schizoid and anhedonic, the existential despair and sense of futility rolls back in immediately after cooming, and I have broken off several relationships because of my need for seclusion and negative contemplation

[Anonymous No.19270553]

>>19270166
Pessimism is religion for losers

[Anonymous No.19270562]

>>19270553
Yes it is a religion of failed mystics.

[Anonymous No.19270858]

>>19269259
>>19269663
>>19270065

>pure emotive lashing out to a simple assertion instead of reasoned counterargument

Classic postmodern post-True Detectivian “antinatalism”. Truly one of the “who hurt you” tier “philosophies”

[Anonymous No.19270872]

>>19270858
>I was once a slave, and I was happy, and I still am happy. I love my slaves, and they are happy.

Find a flaw.

[Anonymous No.19270921]

>>19270872
There is no flaw. Slavery is good for the slave and good for the master.

[Anonymous No.19270961]

>>19265812
You know your religion is doomed when it's based upon not procreating.

[Anonymous No.19270964]

>>19270921

This is your brain on lifesucking.

[Anonymous No.19271110]

>>19270964
This is his brain on slave morality aka Judeo-Christianity.

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