/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.19256344]

>Marx on the Bayreuth Festival "A stupid celebration in honour of a court musician."
How do Wagnerians come back from this?

[Anonymous No.19256353]

>>19256344
they can't

[Anonymous No.19256357]

>>19256344
how was marx so good at roasting people? desu it's unreal

[Anonymous No.19256360]

Once again, Marx and his followers are revealed as incels who can't party or have fun.

[Anonymous No.19256381]

>>19256344
>In the descent into Nibelheim, Wagner gives us an image of industrial capitalism that says more than a thousand pages of Karl Marx.

[Anonymous No.19256395]

>>19256357
He was legendarily bitchy. After he and Engels both died the leading intellectuals of the socialist movement set about editing and publishing their writings, including correspondence, and they had to suppress a lot of correspondence because it was just Marx and Engels bitching about fellow socialists and saying all kinds of niggers and kikes.

[Anonymous No.19256400]

>>19256360
young marx and his friends from university were notorious hooligans who'd always get drunk and cause a ruckus

[Anonymous No.19256425]

>>19256344
>He can write capital, but I wish he made capital!
Marx's mom on Marx being a useless, leeching bum

[Anonymous No.19256545]

>>19256357
Doing it a lot from a young age.

[Anonymous No.19256578]

>>19256357
>stupid celebration
>good roast

[Anonymous No.19256962]

>>19256425
What about book sales?

[Anonymous No.19257906]

>>19256360
yes faggot everyone on /lit/ is just seething because they can't get into bayreuth

[Anonymous No.19258091]

>>19257906
>waiting list is 10 years
I'm still seething.

[Anonymous No.19258105]

>>19256344
>eternally seething at not being born Aryan
>starts a movement dedicated to eternal seethe, attracts perennial seethers who are incapable of producing anything recognized as valuable by nonseethers
>can’t even pass on genes because wife keeps getting her back blown out by Westphalians and Limey Aryans
I thought the thing about Marxists being cucks was a joke until i met some

[Anonymous No.19258123]

>>19256395
God they were based.

[Anonymous No.19258153]

Generally not a Wagner fan but this alone is more valuable to humanity than the entirety of Marx and Engels's output.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fh4aIsk0JtE

[Anonymous No.19258208]

>>19256962
They were terrible. Marx wasn't the foremost socialist that people think he was. As a matter of fact during his lifetime he was mogged in terms of popular acclaim by a bunch of literally whos hardly anyone remembers today like Proudhon, Lassalle and Rodbertus. His funeral was attended by 7 people or something

[Anonymous No.19258241]

>>19256381
I love Wagner and the Ring, but no. No he doesn't.

[Anonymous No.19258244]

>>19258105
>buzzwords
>Aryan

[Anonymous No.19259674]

>>19258244
>posting pictures of little boys
>marxist
(You)

[Anonymous No.19260181]

>>19258208
>literal whos like Proudhon
Anon, I...

[Anonymous No.19260196]

>>19258208
he was the foremost person in the IWA and even Lasalle had his legacy overshadowed by Marxists like Kautsky who made the SPD into what it really was

[Anonymous No.19260263]

>>19260196
>Kautsky
ohnononono

[Anonymous No.19260335]

>>19260181
A nonentity compared to Marx. Owes much of his questionable popularity to having been ripped to shreds by Marx in Poverty of Philosophy

[Anonymous No.19260387]

>>19260263
>Lenin
>The man who called himself a follower a Kautsky

[Anonymous No.19260398]

>>19260263
>>19260387
he started to turn away from Kautsky in the 1910s around the time he read Hegel, but he became very much a Kautskyite again with the writing of "Left-Wing" Communism

[Anonymous No.19260412]

What kind of music would Marx listen to if he were alive today?

[v_v !!+e0M0fBMYzt No.19260418]

>>19260412
hyperpop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRza3wDl9pM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8fwWZD159k

[Anonymous No.19260421]

>>19260412
Shoegaze

[Anonymous No.19260432]

>>19260412
He would definitely larp as an enjoyer of jazz and classical, but privately he would probably just listen to rock music from his teenage years.

[Anonymous No.19260459]

>>19260412
this on loop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9kwjQJQibY

[Anonymous No.19260485]

Pic related is best marxist practitioner, lets be honest.

[Anonymous No.19260494]

>>19260432
deep

[Anonymous No.19260495]

>>19256357
>how was marx so good at roasting people? desu it's unreal
brought to you my /r/murderedbyaoc

[Anonymous No.19260529]

>>19260432
Please delete this I feel personally offended

[Anonymous No.19260745]

>>19260412
He would fall asleep to the sound of niggers inseminating his wife, as many of his latter-day followers do

[Anonymous No.19260770]

>>19260745
pro white marxism is the ideology of the future

[Anonymous No.19260871]

>>19258153
The Wesendonck Lieder are just watered down Tristan und Isolde.

[Anonymous No.19260931]

>>19260770
>did you know Marx wasn't as gay and retarded as 2021 American progressives???

Very cool. None of these are even 'right-wing' beliefs. Like wow we should be stunned that Marx advised minor shifts in rhetorical emphasis (Talking about equal pay instead of free birth control)

[Anonymous No.19261026]

>>19260931
You still have a meme understanding of Marx. Also if you unironcially think there are 'right wing' beliefs save for being a de Maistre tier reactionary you have brain damage.

[Anonymous No.19261080]

>>19260770
you're bad at dialectics and retarded if you think state racism is compatible with marxism. read marx talking about the american civil war

[Anonymous No.19261091]

>>19256381
Based Scruton.

>Wagner was to the end of his life a philosopher. All the currents of philosophical thinking that were important in his day, from Fichte's idolisation of the self to Marx's critique of the capitalist economy, and from Feuerbach's repudiation of religion to Schopenhauer's theory of the will, left traces in his dramas. There is no work of philosophy that delves so deeply into the paradoxes of erotic love as Tristan and Isolde, no work of Christian theology that matches Wagner's exploration of the Eucharist in Parsifal, and no work of political theory that uncovers the place of power and law in the human psyche with the perceptiveness of The Ring. While taking us into the heart of philosophical concerns, however, Wagner never sacrifices concrete emotion to abstract ideas. Indeed, Tristan and Isolde, to take what for me is the greatest example of this, succeeds in displaying the philosophical mystery of erotic love only because Wagner creates a believable drama, and music that moves with the force and momentum of desire.

[Anonymous No.19261098]

>>19261080
>white racial politics = american slavery
burger education

[Anonymous No.19261102]

>>19261080
Dialetics isn't necessary for marxian economics. Suck a cock. Dialectical materialism has been deboonked by modern science. Matter isn't the fundamental substance, waves are.

[Anonymous No.19261107]

>>19261098
lol, racist tards always move the goalpost. "um akshually that's not my special brand of autistic racism"

[Anonymous No.19261111]

>>19261107
Niggers are a threat to progrrss. Fuck off cunt. They are hardly capable of civilization, let alone higher forms of social organization.

All nigger lovers will be executed post haste.

[Anonymous No.19261122]

>>19261111

[Anonymous No.19261165]

>>19261111

[Anonymous No.19261205]

>>19261165
imagine appropriating /pol/ memes

[Anonymous No.19261214]

why is every marx thread always like 2-3 reactionaries yelling at each other

[Anonymous No.19261228]

>>19256344
>gets his entire ideology refuted by reality and biology
How do Marxists come back from this?

[Anonymous No.19261236]

Bakunin was always more based than Marx. Was friends with Wagner too.

[Anonymous No.19261259]

>>19261107
>the only racism in history has been american slavery
holy shit lmao

[Anonymous No.19261436]

>>19261214
Because marxists are reactionaries

[Anonymous No.19261443]

>>19261436
imbecile

[Anonymous No.19261450]

>>19261214
>>19261228
>>19261236
>>19261259
imbecile

[Anonymous No.19261454]

>>19256344
>communists on the arts
I like Marx, but into the trash it goes.

[Anonymous No.19261459]

>>19261228
>reality
Where the fuck do you think you are?
>biology
lol

[Anonymous No.19261470]

>>19261454
Why?

[Anonymous No.19261473]

>>19261454
imbecile

[Anonymous No.19261474]

>>19261454
lukacs was based in that department tho

[Anonymous No.19261475]

>>19261443
>reacting to capitalism
>not reactionary

[Anonymous No.19261478]

>>19261470
>>19261459
imbecile

[Anonymous No.19261482]

>>19256344
I've finished college and having met many Marxists can safely say they seem to be an exceptionally ugly, unintelligent and unsuccessful people.
They say the best revenge is to live well, in so that sense anyone who isn't a Marxist has usually defeated anyone who is by a sort of axiomatic necessity.

[Anonymous No.19261490]

>>19261482
How do you know they are Marxist? Marx didn't like Marxists.

[Anonymous No.19261497]

>>19261490
>>19261482
imbecile

[Anonymous No.19261502]

>>19261497
Imbecile

[Anonymous No.19261509]

>>19261502
imbecile

[Anonymous No.19261516]

>>19261509
ímbéćìĺê

[Anonymous No.19261525]

>>19261516
imbecile

[Anonymous No.19261539]

>>19261482
This is more true and pithy than it has any right to be...socialists always position themselves in front of others/their betters and insist they try to refute them because that's the extent of their existence, meanwhile functional people just ignore them because they actually do things and matter in some way.

[Anonymous No.19261551]

>>19261539
Socialists are good people

[Anonymous No.19261555]

>>19261551
Hitler was a middle manager drunk on power who produced nothing and destroyed those who did. Complete loser.

[Anonymous No.19261557]

>>19261539
>>19261551
imbecile

[Anonymous No.19261564]

>>19261555
imbecile

[Anonymous No.19261565]

>>19261482
>I've finished college and having met many Marxists can safely say they seem to be an exceptionally ugly, unintelligent and unsuccessful people.
It's genuinely scary how true this, half the incels on this board can be "explained" away quite neatly like this.

[Anonymous No.19261577]

>>19261026
No, i’m pretty sure you do if saved such stupid image like that.

Some people love to romanticize this mystical, based "OLD LEFT" that has literally never existed.

the "old left" invented
feminism (fourier)
racism (trotsky)
anti-imperialism (lenin)
transgenderism (hirschfeld)
was behind every "sexual liberation" and LGBT movement in history.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_League_for_Sexual_Reform

Even when you find one rare old leftoid org that opposed e.g. immigration, you find that they also fully endorsed womens liberation and lgbt shit, or vice versa.

[Anonymous No.19261578]

>>19261482
>an exceptionally ugly, unintelligent and unsuccessful people.
This is me but I believe I'm basically an anarchist and have no place on today's left, right, and especially not the extremes since I believe in individual sovereignty and nothing else -- I'm lonely.

[Anonymous No.19261581]

>>19261578
>>19261577
>>19261565
imbecile

[Anonymous No.19261587]

>>19260770
>we're totally racist like you guys please accept this infiltration movement
The sad thing is this works and 3 months later some sad sap is dreaming about cutting off his genitals while taking out loans for HRT.

[Anonymous No.19261591]

>>19261482
Based and dare I say redpilled.
https://youtu.be/30QzJKCUekQ

[Anonymous No.19261610]

>>19261555

[Anonymous No.19261616]

>>19258208
Then how did Marx end up dominating leftist thought so much during the 20th century that to most uneducated people Marxism/socialism/communism are all interchangeable terms?

[Anonymous No.19261624]

>>19261577
You just listed 5 people who were completely at odds with one another. No trotsky did not invent the word: 'racism''.

[Anonymous No.19261630]

>>19261587
>>19261577

Daily reminder Mussolini and friends created fascism because Americans were racist towards italian immigrants.

[Anonymous No.19261636]

>>19260263
>>19260398
Kautsky (compiler of das kapital volume 4) was a determined adversary of lenin and bolshevism.

[Anonymous No.19261637]

>>19261630
imbecile

[Anonymous No.19261644]

>>19261591
imbecile

[Anonymous No.19261647]

>>19261636
Lenin was a Neo-Krauskyite through and through admitted he was a disciple of him. Kautsky even read Lenin's obiturary.

[Anonymous No.19261651]

>>19261610
hitler was financed by rothschild, and the anglo superclass. Go check. As were the bolsheviks.

[Anonymous No.19261660]

>>19261651
I need some evidence for this

[Anonymous No.19261668]

>>19261636
>>19261647
What was the nake of that marxist who wrote a tl;dr of capital? He was from the same era as Kautsky.

[Anonymous No.19261670]

>>19261651
>country had relations with rich people
WUT?????????

[Anonymous No.19261675]

>>19261647
We mustn't have the same sources at all.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/kautsky/1919/terrcomm/ch08b.htm#s5

https://www.marxists.org/archive/kautsky/1934/bolshevism/ch04.htm

[Anonymous No.19261681]

>>19261660
Any search engine.

[Anonymous No.19261689]

>>19261668
Don't know. Engels wrote, socialism: scientific and utopian, which is a super abridged and simplified version of Marx thoughts.

[Anonymous No.19261717]

>>19261660
Okay i'll do the work for you, this time. It's not hard really:
https://fort-russ.com/2016/05/hitler-was-financed-by-federal-reserve/

[Anonymous No.19261733]

>>19261647
>>19261651
>>19261660
>>19261668
>>19261670
>>19261675
>>19261681
>>19261689
>>19261717
imbecile

[Anonymous No.19261757]

>>19261091
>>19256381
philcels btfo by artchads

[Anonymous No.19261791]

>>19261624
Not that anon, but read Leon Trotsky’s 1930 work, "The History of the Russian Revolution". The last word in that one passage is "PACNCTOB", whose Latin transliteration is "racistov", i.e., "racists". This work here is the first time in history one will ever find that word. My more doubtful readers may check the internet, you shall never find an earlier usage of the word "racist" than Trotsky’s coinage of the word here in the context of demonizing Russians that were against the Communist death machine.
>B-But there differe-
Their leftists anon, thats what unites them.

[Anonymous No.19261803]

>>19261624
https://penetrate.blogspot.com/2010/01/racist-word-invented-by-ussrs-leon.html?m=1

[Anonymous No.19261807]

>>19261791
>The Oxford English Dictionary's first recorded utterance of the word racism was by a man named Richard Henry Pratt in 1902. Pratt was railing against the evils of racial segregation.

[Anonymous No.19261810]

>>19261668
Otto Rühle? not sure what you mean by same era as Kautsky, since he was active over a long long period

[Anonymous No.19261846]

>>19261636
read "Left-Wing" Communism: An Infantile Disorder. it's basically the Erfurt Program 2.0

[Anonymous No.19261880]

>>19261807
>”A great general has said that the only good Indian is a dead one," Pratt said. "In a sense, I agree with the sentiment, but only in this: that all the Indian there is in the race should be dead. Kill the Indian in him, and save the man."

>Although Pratt might have been the first person to inveigh against racism and its deleterious effects by name, he is much better-remembered for a very different coinage: Kill the Indian...save the man.

That’s not the same definition as the way Troskey coined and used it.

[Anonymous No.19261888]

>>19256395
>socialist intellectuals

[Anonymous No.19261892]

>>19261880
What was Trotsky's 'definition' of it? Racism today is a meaningless term like 'counter-revolutionary' was back in those days.

In the context of internationalism opposing 'racisk' makes sense. It also makes sense in the context of advocating a pan-european unity.