Reminder

[Anonymous No.19249715]

>For to fear death, men, is in fact nothing other than to seem to be wise, but not to be so. For it is to seem to know what one does not know: no one knows whether death does not even happen to be the greatest of all goods for the human being; but people fear it as though they knew well that it is the greatest of evils. And how is this not that reproachable ignorance of supposing that one knows what one does not know? But I, men, am perhaps distinguished from the many human beings also here in this, and if I were to say that I am wiser than anyone in anything, it would be in this: that since I do not know sufficiently about the things in Hades,so also I suppose that I do not know. But I do know that it is bad and shameful to do injustice and to disobey one’s better, whether god or human being. So compared to the bad things which I know are bad, I will never fear or flee the things about which I do not know whether they even happen to be good.

[Anonymous No.19249733]

>Life is life, but the mystery box could be anything! It could even be the greatest of all goods for the human being!

[Anonymous No.19249804]

>>19249733
Surface-level objection. Your use of the ‘mystery box’ is designed to make Plato’s argument look unreasonable. This is because the ‘mystery box’ is, as everyone instinctively knows, limited in what it can contain. It has a size, shape, temperature, and so forth - it is material. Also, it uses our instinctive grasp that the world is a zero-sum game, that the mystery box must be a trick. You should go back to reading fiction.

[Anonymous No.19249856]

>>19249804
Death is also material, as is selfhood. These aren't unbounded mysteries about which every hypothesis is as likely to be true as any other. His argument is emotionally-motivated reasoning - a cope.

[Anonymous No.19249881]

>>19249856
Did you read the source material?

[Anonymous No.19251598]

>>19249881
>Did you read the source material?

[Anonymous No.19251915]

>>19249856
>His argument is emotionally-motivated reasoning - a cope.

i know

[Anonymous No.19251919]

>>19249715
Ah, Plato's Apology, spotted first sentence in. Favorite quote of my favorite dialog. You win today OP.

[Anonymous No.19251977]

>>19249715
Objection : Whatever death will be, it will almost certainly entail radical change in the level of the experienced phenomena. Just as you suggest that death could entail the best result imaginable, it could also entail the worst result imaginable, or something worse than that. Men here who fear death do so with great reasonableness, since as you correctly say, they do not know what will come beyond the veil. Just as one would fear a journey through an unknown mountain pass, one would rightly fear death and at least attempt to equip himself with anything he could in order to prepare for the journey.

[Anonymous No.19252091]

>>19251977
A fucking right. Nice to know not everyone has their head up their ass. Is Plato normally this easy to btfo?

[Anonymous No.19253686]

bump

[Anonymous No.19254693]

bump for Plato being king pseud

[Anonymous No.19255266]

>>19254693
Mad that you’ve been btfod, nihilistbro?

[Anonymous No.19255315]

>>19249715
Apology, nice
>>19251977
Fear as we know it entails knowledge or the supposition of knowledge. You know that a lion is dangerous, therefore you fear it. This type of fear cannot be considered ignorance. You mention mountain passes, but fearing unknown parts of nature cannot be considered ignorance either, since we know that more likely than not we may encounter hostile conditions, terrain, people, or animals that we don’t know how to deal with.
All of this doesn’t apply to death. There is absolutely no way we can gain even a hint of the nature of the afterlife. Therefore, when one fears death, it could be considered ignorance in a way that the unknown as we deal with it in this world cannot. I guess what I’m trying to say is: We know that worldly unknowns tend to be more dangerous for us, therefore it is not ignorant to fear them. But when we fear death, which is a pure, absolute unknown, then we are supposing that we know it is dangerous for us, when we don’t actually know, therefore it’s ignorance.

[Anonymous No.19255592]

>>19255266
How? Explain one part of this that doesn't boil down to "but it might be okay!"
Its a non-argument.

[Anonymous No.19255598]

>>19255315
>no way we can gain even a hint of the nature of the afterlife
Sure we can because we have a valence scale. Death will appear at some place on it if we can feel. This is a fact.

[Anonymous No.19255796]

>>19249856
>Death is also material, as is selfhood.
Great argument bro.

[Anonymous No.19255805]

>>19249715
Phaedo is this but basically a 1000% better.

[Anonymous No.19255891]

>>19255805
But this is inexplicably mid-witted.
Kind of glad I skipped the greeks.

[Anonymous No.19255923]

>>19255891
>skips the Greeks
>is an absolute retard who calls everything he doesn’t agree with “mid-witted”, and even admits that he doesn’t understand it
based retard