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Is this the greatest sci-fi novel ever written, If not the greatest novel of all time?


Also, recommend some good novels.

>> No.19240640

No to all questions

>> No.19240660

Dune Messiah is better

>> No.19240666

No
No

Exegesis of PKD

>> No.19240789

>>19240660
No it's not

>> No.19241723

>>19240602
I read "Hard to be a God" and thematically speaking loved it a lot more than Dune. Herbert is a better writer, but the Strugatsky brothers impressed me with their philosophical proficiency. Can't wait to read roadside picnic. Are the other Dune novels worth a read?

>> No.19241752

I feel like Dune filtered me a little bit. I liked the sci-fi parts a lot, but the deeper it got into destiny and mysticism the less I enjoyed it.

>> No.19241767

>>19241752
having interest in and or knowledge of esoterica goes a long way with Dune.

>> No.19242028

>>19240666
YES. Everything PKD!
"Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep" got me started.
"The Three Stigmata Of Palmer Eldritch" gives Lovecraft a run for his money.
"Ubik" gives postmodernism a run for its money.
The "VALIS" quadrilogy gives organized religion a run for its money.
We lost him *far* too soon.

>> No.19242655

>>19240602
I don’t know if it’s the greatest, but I just picked it up a few days ago after ignoring it for far to long and I’m enjoying it so far.

Try “The Past Through Tomorrow” by Heinlein. It collects most of his future history short stories and it has a lot of good stuff.

>> No.19243007

best* sci fi is of course The Stars My Destination

(*: most fun)

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>>19241767
Really? I always heard that the esoteric elements were more downplayed. I should get round to readint Dune then

>> No.19243033

>>19240602
Hyperion exists, so no to both questions

>> No.19243041

>>19240602
I got about half way through it and gave up. Never enjoyed it.

>> No.19243061

>>19240602
>Is this the greatest sci-fi novel ever written, If not the greatest novel of all time?
No. You should read more books.

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>>19240602
The Solar Cycle by Gene Wolfe (12 novels and 12 tie-in short stories)

>> No.19243201

>>19240602
No, book four is the greatest novel of all time.

>> No.19244299

Hyperion is way way way way way better

>> No.19244306

>genre shit
>"If not the greatest novel of all time?"
the absolute state of genre shitters, fucking hell grow up

>> No.19244592

if Dune is the best the genre has to offer, science fiction is an entirely worthless genre.

>> No.19245810

>>19240602
Kek wtf? It falls apart in the end when he talks to the universe and all the interesting main characters bare killed should have been game of thrones in space

>> No.19245882

>>19245810
Acting like GRRM won't make bran leto II

>> No.19245903

>>19243007
Gully Foyle is my name / Terra is my nation / Deep space is my dwelling place / The stars my destination

>> No.19246224

>>19242028
>postmodernism
you keep using that word. I don’t think it means what you think it means.

>> No.19247718

>>19240602
It's fine and I like it but anything by Stanislaw Lem or Jules Verne wipes the floor with it.

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>>19240602

>> No.19248783

>>19240660
I probably liked Messiah more than the first book, by God Emperor takes the cake.

>> No.19248792

>>19243029
Having just read up to God Emperor, I really don't think one can appreciate the series without having an interest in philosophy and religion, this shit goes so far beyond the sci-fi setting, which although very well realised, is also mostly obscured from the reader and obviously not the focus of the text.
People who like it just for the sci-fi elements are the people who only like the first book and think it was a genuine Hero's Journey tale.

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>>19248792
Which book do you think dealt with these elements best?

>> No.19248805

didnt like it one bit me

>> No.19248821

>>19240660
I read the first four and liked Messiah the least. Dune>Children>God>Messiah. That was my preference.

>> No.19248828

>>19240602
>If not the greatest novel of all time?
Not even fucking close. What the hell.

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>>19240602
Holy shit, why are American book covers so repulsively terrible? Pic related is what it looks like down here.

>> No.19249280
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>>19249242
This is the cover I have it's one of my favorites

>> No.19249782

i'm reading this right now and brooo it's like an RPG video game but its a book

>> No.19249788

>>19240602
The Snow Queen is better

>> No.19249790

>>19249280
you got the folio edition? based

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>>19249242
some may disagree but this was always the best cover to me

>> No.19249986

>>19249280
Folio society is kino. Just bought some books from them.

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Frank Herberts legacy carries on all the way to the modern era

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>>19249242
This is the best cover

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>>19250317
Or this

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I really like the new movie tie in cover, the spine is the same deep black as the American edition which also looks really neat. I would buy it if it wasn't for the obnoxious circle being a part of the actual cover and not just a sticker

>> No.19250398

>>19249883
I agree

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>>19250345

>> No.19250418

>>19250345
The sticker does nothing for the cover
If they are going to do a sticker
>Now a major motion picture
It should be put on a book cover of Timothee Chamalent and Zendaya so white girls will read it
Keep that cover without the sticker print for the male readers

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>>19240602
>Is this the greatest sci-fi novel ever written

>> No.19250958

>>19249790
>>19249986
So far I have Dune, Rendezvous with Rama and Stranger in a Strange Land from Folio they are super nice and so far I'm really happy with their quality.

>> No.19251059

>>19240602
>Is this the greatest sci-fi novel ever written
Maybe
>If not the greatest novel of all time?
You are a fart brain dumb fuck retarded sperg head idiot

>> No.19251253

>>19240660
Based and redpilled

>> No.19251396

>>19240602
if i wanted to read near east fanfiction i'd read kipling

>> No.19251406

they poop in the suits

>> No.19251817

>>19248217
>start of book
>wow this is so cool and mysterious
>grows up
>goes on generic DnD adventures with a party of le whacky but wholesome people
I know there's depth LATER but I'm not reading hundreds of pages of schlock to get to le epig twasts.

>> No.19251831

>>19251406
Herbert doesn't spend anywhere near enough time describing Chani's musky scent

>> No.19251922

>>19242028
I just read Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep for the first time recently and it had me confused. PKD portrays the androids as sympathetic through the majority of the book. Then in the end it flips to them being soulless opposition to humanity that needs to be destroyed. It was an entertaining story but I don't understand what he was trying to convey here.

>> No.19253196

>>19251817
It's not about the twists because the 2nd reread is the true read when you can really appreciative everything and that's when you know the story.

>> No.19253534

>>19240602
>Is this the greatest sci-fi novel ever written
No. Space witches and high tech fantasy that's basically a bad precursor to star wars is not good science fiction
Sci fi books that are better than dune
>Caves of Steel
>The Forever War
>The Puppet Masters
>The moon is a harsh mistress
>Armor
>necromancer
>the mote in God's eye
>Foundation and Earth
>I am legend
>Fahrenheit 451
>planet of the apes
>a canticle for leibowitz
>the city and the stars
>red shirts
>ringworm
>starship troopers
>space viking
Etc

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>>19253534
Dune is better than all of them combined

>> No.19254668

>>19253534
>>19254151
Dune is neither the best nor worst Sci-fi

>> No.19254751

>>19240602
I liked it but please calm down.