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1923440 No.1923440 [Reply] [Original]

my body ... is ready.

>> No.1923444

Heads up, the title should have been "A Dance of Filler" because nothing of worth happens.

>> No.1923450

>A NEW ORIGINAL SERIES FROM HBO
>#1 NEW YORK TIMES BEST SELLING AUTHOR

How can you own these things? Don't they fill you with shame?

>> No.1923454

I don't even know what this is?

>> No.1923465

>>1923454
Then why post?

>> No.1923467

>>1923450

I think we shouldn't bear such contempt for the readers. At least they are reading in an age where people prefer everything consumable faster.

>> No.1923474

>>1923467

That's stupid. They're not reading anything really worthwhile. It's like someone on /tv/ saying "Well at least they're watching something", when someone makes a thread about Jersey Shore.

>> No.1923485

>>1923474

Have you read these books?

>> No.1923488

>>1923485

No. But I haven't watched Jersey Shore either.

Please don't tell me you're going to go into the whole "if you haven't read them how can you judge them" nonsense.

>> No.1923546

>>1923488

You know Jersey Shore is bad because it's reality TV.

How do you know ASoIaF is bad? Because it's fantasy? What is inherently wrong with the fantasy genre that prevents writers from writing quality literature?

>> No.1923549

>>1923546

ASIF isn't bad because it's fantasy, it's bad because it's bad.

>> No.1923588

ITT - Stop liking the things I dislike

>> No.1923597

>>1923588

>Pretty much every thread on /lit/ - Stop liking the things I dislike

ftfy

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>>1923549
Hipster alert

"I haven't read it and don't tell me I don't know what it's like 'cause I haven't read it, but I hate it anyway because it's popular"

Basically


Also, OP- how do you read the paperback editions without destroying the covers? I'm on the fourth book right now and it's the only one I haven't gotten in hardcover. I'm on the first Brienne chapter and the front cover is already bent. So confused.

>> No.1924310

>>1924307

Where did I say I hate it because it's popular?

>> No.1924314

>>1924310
You didn't, but regardless you may as well have. You've given no reason that you think it's a bad series other than the fact that you've given a comparison of reading the book to watching Jersey Shore, aka "liking something because it's popular even though it's shit".

Just my observation. But really, I think it's an alright series. It's well written and intelligent. It's not just hack and slash "oh look, Dragons and dead things". The politics in the book are interesting to follow and it's a unique style as in there's no "black and white". Everyone is featured through a different perspective and no one is right or wrong. Very realistic.

>> No.1924315

>>1924307

I am guessing he/she had recently purchased them all together and hasn't started reading yet.

>> No.1924317

>>1924315
That would make sense.

Have you ever bought a paperback book used and noticed it was perfectly flat, as though the previous owner never read it? I swear sellers must have giant book presses or something, and if they do I want one.

>> No.1924330

oh man, went into waterstones bought a couple books, asked the awkward andro guygirl when theyd be getting paperbacks in and was told "in like err...ages. a year or so probably"
what the fuck? really?
also its not too hard to read without bending the covers on paperbacks, just dont put the book flat. that said mine still open slightly anyway, personally i lkie books to look a little worn, brand new freshly bought books just dont feel the same as one youve read 50 times.

>> No.1924337

So, if ASoIaF is bad, what's a good fantasy series?

>inb4 Wheel of Time, Black Company, or fucking Sword of truth

>> No.1924346

>>1924337
I don't think it's a bad series, but Stephen R. Donaldson's The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant, The Unbeliever is pretty damn good fantasy.

>> No.1924348

I'm on book 4 right now, is the new one any better? AFFC is full of characters I hate doing nothing.

>> No.1924352

>>1924346

I second that, Donaldson shits over Martin.

>> No.1924354

>>1923488
wait WHAT you can't judge something if you don't have any knowledge of it and during this whole thread why you don't want to read them or why you don't like them just give your reasons and we can move on

>> No.1924356

>>1924337

The Book of The New Sun
Gormenghast Trilogy

>> No.1924358

>>1924348
The first half of ADWD is the characters you love doing nothing and the second half is I don't know. I'm a slow reader.

>> No.1924362

>>1924354

You can have knowledge of something without having first-hand experience with it.

>> No.1924363

I used to like ASoIaF before it was cool. Now it's all lame and mainstream, and I like this other book. You've probably never heard of it..

>> No.1924389

It's a pretty good book. Not much happens and the Meereen part is mainly filler, but you get an interesting look at the rest of the world and the prophecies.

>> No.1924850

>>1924362

No, you can have an unfound belief of something.

All you sound like at the moment is:

'I think this series is shit because someone told me it was therefore it must be.'

>> No.1924854

Ughh.. how can you have that massive book and the smaller ones at the same time? THEY DON'T MATCH. I couldn't tolerate that shit.

>> No.1924863

>>1924850

Not just someone. People. Several people. Most of which know much more than I do about literature.

On top of that, the book's reputation precedes it. I know more than enough to make a sound judgment on it.

>> No.1924875

>expect Joros Slynt to be a cunt through the whole book
>Second Jon chapter occurs

BOOMBABY

>Turn page
>DAVOS

DOUBLE BOOMBABY

>> No.1924890

>>1924863

All you need to know about literature is people have different tastes. There's nothing more to know, despite what over-educated drains on society would lead you to believe. You sound like one. If you've entered this thread, you're trolling before you ever typed a word. Go back to /b/.

>> No.1924908

>>1924890

Oh boy, another deluded subjectivist.

Yes, people have different taste.

Is all taste equal? No.
Is my taste better than a Yale literature professor who's written 10 books on literary theory and criticism? Absolutely not.

So just because you happen to like something doesn't mean it's good. And just because you dislike something doesn't mean it's bad.

>> No.1924922

>>1924908

It's good or bad to me, which is all I care about. Your views, the Yale professor, Deep&Edgy, all amount to a hill of shit. You over-educated losers are too concerned about if others validating your tastes.

>And just because you dislike something doesn't mean it's bad.

see: you and this series

>> No.1924923

>>1924863

'the book's reputation precedes it'

amazon (UK) has 424 five star reviews of the first book alone. So by your logic of being told by people what constitutes as a good book Game of Thrones alone is pretty fucking good.

>> No.1924936

>>1924923

One knowledgeable person > 500 GRRM neckbeard fanboys

>>1924922

You keep throwing around the term "over-educated", as if you can have too much education. Are you bitter about dropping out of college or something?

>see: you and this series

But it's not just me. Show me one respectable individual who thinks this is a good series. Someone who actually knows something about literature and isn't some ignorant fanboy.

>> No.1924941

>>1924936

I read plenty of 'Literature', but still enjoy GRRM for entertainment value. Not everything has to be intellectual for it to be good.

>> No.1924949

>>1924941

1. Just because you read Literature doesn't mean you know anything about it.

2. Just because you enjoy something doesn't mean it's good. You're free to enjoy bad literature, but you should be honest about what it is you're enjoying.

>> No.1924981

>>1924936

I know many, many adults, writers and people in the publishing industry who love the series. You're a whiny kid on 4chan who hasn't read a page of it. You're not going to convince me.

I used to shit on "fantasy neckbeards" too, but when /lit/ was born, there were so many threads about A Song of Ice and Fire, I said "what the fuck" and bought the first book. It's amazing, it's fun, and once you're into it, all the petulant, pedantic children (and man-children) shitting on it don't mean much. Enjoy your theory.

>> No.1924985

>>1924949

It's not bad literature, because it isn't Literature. It's just a good story.

I used to hold the same opinions as you except about music. Now I see what an arrogant prick I must have seemed.

>> No.1924986

I used to love Game of Thrones.

But then it got really popular.

So now it's lowest-common-denominator trash.

>> No.1924994

>>1924936

All these knowledgeable, respectable people you keep referencing just sound like older versions of yourself. PROTIP: they're neither. They're either washed-up old professors (failed writers) or the starry-eyed children (of all ages) who worship them.

>> No.1924996

>>1924986

hipsters gonna hip! Back to /mu/, scarved sum!

>> No.1925018

>>1924981

>adults

Such an accomplishment, living past 18.

>writers

Writers of what?

>people in the publishing industry

People in the publishing industry like things that make them rich? That's shocking information there.

>I used to shit on "fantasy neckbeards" too, but when /lit/ was born, there were so many threads about A Song of Ice and Fire, I said "what the fuck" and bought the first book. It's amazing, it's fun, and once you're into it, all the petulant, pedantic children (and man-children) shitting on it don't mean much. Enjoy your theory.

Just because you have poor taste doesn't mean bad literature is suddenly good. As I said, feel free to enjoy bad literature, but don't go saying ridiculous things like "It's amazing" afterward.

>>1924985

Yes, it's difficult adhering to such high standards. It often leads to alienation and being perceived as a prick. I'm not surprised you couldn't handle it. Not many can.

>>1924994

>professors (failed writers)

Hahaha, you really don't know anything, do you? Are you the same guy who was harping about over-education earlier? You seem to have serious issues with people who actually know stuff.

>> No.1925030

>>1925018

you're not very good at trolling

>> No.1925039

>>1925030

It only appears that way because I'm not actually trolling.

>> No.1925045 [DELETED] 

The pocket books? shit nigger what are you doing.

I ordered the first two (actual sized) and then I will probably buy the rest.

>> No.1925052

>>1925018

Now I know this is a troll.

>> No.1925058

>>1925039

By definition, your presence in this thread is trolling. Your presence in real life is most likely similar.

>> No.1925069

>>1925018

Tell you what.

Define "literary merit" in scientific, objective terms, and then explain why one book about made-up stuff happening to made-up people is intrinsically superior to another book about made-up stuff happening to made-up people.

If you do, I might consider taking you seriously.

>> No.1925084

>>1925069

that's not how these people operate. it's all about someone they respect telling them it's ok to like something.

Harold Bloom included John Crowley's Little, Big in his Western Cannon. !00% fantasy. Amazing fantasy. This goon your responding to will most likely make it an "exception" to the fantasy neckbeard rule now that he knows this.

>> No.1925360

>>1923450

>A NEW ORIGINAL SERIES FROM HBO
>#1 NEW YORK TIMES BEST SELLING AUTHOR

this sounds very hipster it's like saying a well known band is bad or am i missing

>> No.1925364

>>1925084
100% agree with these post

these people seriously define "fantasy" such that nothing good can be included, and then argue that fantasy is bad. it's like, yeah, okay, if you define it like that, no shit...

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>> No.1925523

>come to /lit/ for the first time, lurking around
>see G.R.R. Martin thread
>open it

it's like i'm really on /v/ or /mu/, you guys are no different.

>> No.1925535

>>1925523
WHAT HIGH-BROW LITERATURE DO YOU LIKE THEN?

>> No.1925539

Why is half of every page food.

>> No.1926447

>>1925364

I don't even really view ASoFaI as Fantasy anyway, it's alot more believable than quite a bit of stuff classed as 'General Fiction' anyway.

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>>1926447

>> No.1926486

>>1925535

He was implying we can't have mature discussions, I believe.

>> No.1926503

>>1926486
Fucking this...
Regardless of whether or not the haters in this thread are trolls, they've nonetheless derailed the thread.

Just read what you want fucking hell..

>> No.1926506

WOW, the tacked on HBO label is absolutely horrible.So glad I bought mine before a TV show was announced, labeless books are best books.

The worst criminal in this scenario has to be stickers that have been placed on them. They're just awful to remove.

>> No.1926541

I've read ADWD cover-to-cover, and... the hipsters are inadvertently right. This book is bad, really fucking bad. Nothing interesting happens. Formerly cool characters whine or fuck up all througout it. New characters are dull, so much so that half the people on westeros believe a certain one is fake...

This is a trainwreck.

>> No.1926567

>>1926541

Is it similar to AFFC?

>> No.1926662

Yeah, it mainly a book about travelling and never reaching the destination. On the other hand, I actually enjoyed AFFC moderately, because I didn't expect much from the characters there; but this one is awfully boring, mainly because expectations here were higher but he manages to blow an opportunity to show off Tyrion and Dany. I skimmed every Tyrion chapter and felt as though I missed nothing.

>> No.1926665

>>1926662

Sounds good to me.

I wanted you to say yes so I could call you a faggot because you disliked AFFC but since you enjoyed it "moderately" I would feel silly.

>> No.1926672

>>1926662

>destination

I don't care about the destination. I wish he'd write 5 more books.

>> No.1926695

>Sounds good to me

If Tyrion being hella boring and doing nothing except ride pigs and go emo the whole book sounds good, then dig in.

>> No.1926699

>>1926695

Tyrion has always annoyed me. Another person who doesn't like him said he liked Tyrion slightly more in this book

>> No.1926712

ASOIAF is good as a more realistic fantasy I guess, but I just got really invested in the characters. I'm really not concerned with what happens to the kingdom at large as I am with what happens to the characters as they try to either claim it or help those that are trying.

Is it deep or anything like that? Probably not. But it's a damn good story and I've never so totally reversed my opinion on characters as this series has made me do. To me it's a good book and a good series and it doesn't really matter to me whether it's highbrow literature or not.

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Kill the boy so that the man might be born.

;_;

>> No.1927241

Hurr Rhaegar Jr. (Aegon) is not dead.

What. The. Fuck.

He quite truly pulled that one out of his wrinkly, anglo ass. It wasn't even surprising because as soon as Tyrion started suspecting Griff and whatnot I knew it. I was like "Oh shit GRRM, what the fuck did you do?" this is very much unlike him.

He set up the "Lord Tywin Lannister did not, in the end, shit gold." joke for THREE BOOKS. And this he just pulls out of nowhere like a cheap magician.

Also, nothing happened in the book.

>> No.1927261

>>1927241

If you mean that he didn't foreshadow it properly (apart from Rhaegar saying "his is the song of ice and fire") then yes you could say that.

But pulling it out of his ass implies he just came up with it on the spot, when in fact he has been planning this for over a decade.

Since the beginning of the series he has been dodging questions about Aegon's death

>> No.1927416

Besides the fact that my spindly spaghetti noodle arms no longer have to carry a heavy book everywhere, I am thrilled to have a Kindle now because no one will know I'm reading ADWD and start talking to be about the tv show. I watched one and a half episodes and that was just about all I could handle.

On the other hand, I just shipped my old paperbacks of the first four to my younger sister, along with Name of the Wind, since she apparently likes the tv show. I don't know how well that will go though since the last time I bought her a book it was Fellowship of the Ring after she declared herself a LoTR fan when the movie came out. I still don't think she's cracked the cover on it, though I won't deny that FotR is the worst and most boring book of the three.

>> No.1927431

The size and weight of the new book (the hardcover edition) is doing my head in a bit. I can't really get comfortable to read it.

>> No.1927459

I just finished the book. I liked it, but the Tyrion chapters were really fucking boring. But the shit that happens in the north Davos/Theon/ Stannis is all really good. Now that I finished the series, could /lit/ recommend other good fantasy novels?

>> No.1927484

>>1927459
Oh yeah one more thing, having characters repeat certain phrases. Tyrion with "wherever whores go" Dany with "If I look back I am lost" ect. is really hackneyed and stupid. It worked with Jamie in Feast because he was haunted and it works with Theon because he is insane, but for the others it gets tired.

>> No.1927502

>>1927484
ahoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
ahoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
ahoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

>> No.1927505

>>1927484
I think it's okay with Tyrion. Throughout the book I got the feeling that he was really fucked up in the head since killing Tywin. He didn't seem to be at his peak, mental form.

Dany though. I hate that bitch. 5 books of her doing nothing.

>> No.1927510

>>1927505
It worked alright I guess. Also fucking Penny. Goddammit that shit is retarded.

>> No.1927511

Only past the latest Davos chapter when he's told to go get Rickon. So far it's decent. Too much Tyrion, but the shit with Prince Aegon blew my mind. Enjoying Reek's chapters, Jon has also been great. Fuck Dany, she still sucks, and we need more Bran. 400 pages, fucking like 6 Tyrion chapters and 2 for Bran. The fuck is this shit?

>> No.1927514

>>1927505
Tyrion and Jorah both.... lackluster in this book. I remember over at /tv/ folks wanting to see some bromance between Tyrion and Jorah like the one between Tyrion and Bronn.

Fat chance of that happening, as fat as GRRM himself.

>> No.1927538

>>1927511
I finally get motivation to keep reading because of Jon's chapters, but every time I get to Dany's I just pray someone assassinates her or at least slaps her. Selmy's trying to explain things to her, and all she does is override it with moral outrage, after approving torture of potentially-not-innocent young girls. What a bitch.

Should I just skip her chapters from here on? Will I miss anything?

>> No.1927542

>>1927484
Let's talk about Theon. I want to hold him until he is all better and tell him I will always love him despite his flayed penis. His line when he meets up with Asha is glorious. I hope he and Jeyne move to Braavos and live out the rest of their lives in relative sanity.

>> No.1927555

>>1927542
Im convinced that Theons storyline is the best in the series. In Clash, it was nothing short of tragic, and again he is the most sympathetic character in Dance. I hope he gets his bow skills back and fucks shit up in the winter, but that doesn't seem likely.

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>>1927070

mfw bowen and his conspirators take it to the next level and stab that fucker Caesar Salad style

>> No.1927724

>daenerys chapter when the pit opens
>Penny and Tyrion doing their justing show
>"Just wait 'til they release the lions"

I nearly shat myself laughing at that.

>> No.1927839

SERJEANT
WORDS ARE WIND
NEEPS

THE HOUR OF THE WOLF

trash.

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> this very chapter ends with motherfucking Dany motherfuckingly riding the dragon
> he only liked Tyrion in it

>> No.1928187

My rating for storylines so far:


Tyrion
>Tired, same old shit with him being raunchy and drunk. However, fairly important to the overall plot, shame it has to be told through his mismatched eyes. One of the best quickly became one of the most boring.

Dany
>Never fond of her, and I still am not. I used to be interested in her stories for the sake of seeing Essos, now with half the POVs over there I just don't care anymore. She's a terrible, terrible character, and although I'm only 400 pages in, I fucking pray to the Seven that Aegon can win the Iron Throne without her.

Bran
>Holy shitting dick-nipples give me more GRRM! Two is not enough, give me more!

Theon aka Reek aka Turncloak
>Very interesting. A lot of people wanted to see him suffer, and here it is. It seems mismatched though, no man save the Bastard of Bolton himself deserves to go through what Theon has. Loving where it is going.

Jon
>Great because I love seeing Stannis' movements, and it's nice to get them from someone other than the ever-so loyal Davos. His own story on the Wall has been entertaining as he tries to clean up the mess it's in, and beheading Janos Slynt was three and a half books of long awaited retribution.

Davos
>I've always been a fan of Davos, and his story has taken a big swing that I for one welcome. We all knew there was no way the Onion Knight's head decorated the walls of White Habor, and it's better knowing that for sure. Can't wait to see what's next for Stannis' loyal Hand.

One-Offs (Asha, Victarion, etc.)
>Overall the one-off or scarcely used POVs are great. For once I enjoyed an Asha chapter, and although I don't necessarily like Quentyn, his story is necessary and I'll let it go. Cliff's chapter was nice as well, following where an important arch lead off after Tyrion's... eruhm... vanishing.

>> No.1928210

A thousand eyes and one.

>> No.1928223

For how much GRRM talked about the "Mereenese knot" nothing at all happened there. Only one person who wasn't there got there (Quentyn, Barristan and Dany were already there) and he just fucking died.

He was full of crap, that GRRM. HURR MEREENESE KNOT, CAN'T DO IT.

>> No.1928251

>>1928223
If you think only Martell arrived at his destination, you evidently weren't paying much attention to the other chapters. Tyrion's, for instance...

>> No.1928290

How the hell did Theon manage to become the most sympathetic character in the series?

>> No.1928291

>>1927542
This, oh god this.

>> No.1928295

>>1928290
And this too. I used to hate the smug bastard and hoped nothing better than for Bolton to flay off his balls.... But now that I got it, my life is empty ;_;

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>mfw /tv/ has better aSoFI threads than /lit/

>> No.1928318

>>1928301
everything has better thread on anything that /lit/

it is known

i've seen better aSoIaF threads on motherfucking /v/ and /co/ (the last is not surprising really)

>> No.1928334

i seriously, seriously hate to say this but it felt like that dany's chapters that involved daario were nearly as bad as twilight. 2 parts lusting after his cock to 1 part "oh he's too dangerous.". Thats at least somewhat counterbalanced by THE MOTHERFUCKING IRON ADMIRAL, VICTARION GREYJOY... Who still doesn't make it to meereen by the end.

>> No.1928399

Surprised a lot of people didn't like Tyrion's chapters. He was one of the original PoVs I used to dread reading, but eventually became my favorite character with his wits and heart of gold. I can understand the fact that the events following him aren't very exciting and barely relevant to the overall plot, but I didn't mind in his case. Seeing him interact with new characters and settings was enough to keep me happy, at least with him.

The real surprise though was definitely Theon. Where I originally disliked Tyrion, I fucking hated Theon. It's good to see Martin retains his ability to make otherwise unlikable or despicable characters compelling and even draw me to care about them. If Martin keels over before book 6, at least that's one personal story that will receive a bittersweet ending.

The rest of the characters were far more hit or miss. Daenarys did a lot of dumb things, Jon did nothing (though beheading Janos Slynt was unexpectedly short, to the point, and generally satisfying, something the rest of the book could learn from), Davos was ever mildly interesting, and most of the other minor PoVs were forgettable. I liked Barristan Selmy though, and wouldn't mind seeing more of Melisandre. Oh, and Cersei's few chapters were extremely satisfying to read.

As for the book as a whole, it didn't really have any moments that made me think "I didn't see that coming" or "holy fuck this changes everything". I also felt too comfortable reading it, something I couldn't do with previous books. More than the lack of plot progression though I think the real sting is the fact it took 6 years to create, and will probably be another half decade for a book that's looking increasingly unlikely to conclude or even move the series forward.

I'm not disappointed. I was really sad to put the book away. But I'm not blown away with it either like I was with books 2 and 3. Overall it's a fine book that's hampered more by outside elements than issues inside it.

>> No.1928419

>>1927484
People really seem to hate the repeated phrases. Really, that's the least of the problem. No, the real problem is when the action already isn't moving, Martin goes off on a tangent to talk about food, describe clothing, list dozens of minor characters with nonsensical names (lol Dick Tube), or interject conversations with random history lessons. Admittedly some names are occasionally amusing and I do enjoy some of the series' history, but it's really overdone when characters already are doing something that borders unnecessary exposition.

>> No.1928431

>>1928399
It's almost filler in the sense that you can feel it building towards the climax in the next two books. The pieces are being set, although I was really hoping to see Jon Snow and his wildling army run rough-shod on the Boltons.


Lord Manderley was a bad ass.

>> No.1928441

YOU KNOW WHAT I HATE?

ITS HOW JON SNOW IS SUCH A GODDAM MARY SUE

HES BASICALLY BATMAN WITH HIS MAGIC SWORD AND HIS TALKING RAVEN AND HIS WHITE DIREWOLF DRESSED ALL IN BLACK

HE NEVER DOES ANYTHING WRONG AND HES ALWAYS GOING TO SURVIVE NO MATTER WHAT

GODDAM JON SNOW UGH HES A TEENAGER YOUD THINK HED MAKE RASH BAD DECISIONS WHEN CONFRONTED BY THE COMPLEXITY AND SUBTLETY OF HARD MORAL CHOICES

JUST LIKE DAENERYS

GOD THOSE TWO NEVER GET ANYTHING WRONG AND ARE GOING TO LIVE FOREVER

TROLLFACE.JPG

>> No.1928448

So who else was impressed with how bad ass Lord Manderly turned out?

Like, to kill people and bake them into a pie is pretty sick, but eating half a dozen yourself while acting all jolly about it is some real freaky shit. Also lol at making the bard sing the Rat Cook song.

>> No.1928451

>>1928431
Not really, not anymore than the other books were. If book 5 climaxed with the Wall facing the imminent threat of Others, Daenarys descending upon Westeros with dragons, Tyrion poisoning/manipulating/advising more prominent characters, and all the other characters finish training and begin their destinies, then yeah I'd be pretty fucking pumped up. That said, I really enjoyed reading some of the more individual conflicts, particularly the war over the North.

>although I was really hoping to see Jon Snow and his wildling army run rough-shod on the Boltons.

That was probably the most pumped up I got with Jon choosing to respond to the Bastard's letter and rally to arms, but it was diluted by another IS HE DEAD?! twist a page or so later. I really want to see somebody kick the shit out of Ramsay. Nevermind Joffrey, Tywin Lannister, Gregor Clegane, or Lord Frey, he's the single most despicable character yet.

>> No.1928460

>>1928448

Lord Manderly is now one of my favorite Lords of the North. He's just beginning to take his revenge on the Freys for the Red Wedding... the awesome thing is he's waited so he isn't accused of breaching hospitality like they were.

Also I loved his little loli daughter when she spoke up in front of Davos ;-;

I was really surprised to see Martin actually WROTE Dany and Jon as teenagers, rather than infallible 'heroes'. It was interesting to see two young people suddenly plunged into dilemmas of rulership for which they'd had no preparation, and responding so badly. It was interesting, but curiously unsatisfying.

>> No.1928471

>>1928441
Are you serious? Daenarys made tons of bad decisions in Dance with Dragons. Like sleeping with that mercenary and marrying that faggot whose name I'll never remember. Honestly, I'd take a little bit of the cliched all knowing protagonist in her if it got her the fuck to Westeros.

Of course Jon always attempts to act with duty and honor, his father was Eddard Stark. Still, he twisted his duty at the end to respond to Ramsay's threats. Shame about the whole plot twist with him being stabbed at the end, if he survives he probably won't have to confront his questionable decision making. I'd love to see him ram his dick down that faggot's throat though.

>> No.1928475

THE NORTH REMEMBERS MOTHERFUCKER

JUST GOT TWO COPIES SIGNED BY GRRM IN NYC

NICE DUDE, GAY ASS LAUGH THO

>> No.1928479

>>1928471

that guy explicitly signposted he was trolling. Trollface.jpg.

He was saying that Jon and Dany are Mary Sues who never get anything wrong. Sarcastically.

>> No.1928481

>>1928479
Well then, I'm a fucking retard. My bad.

>> No.1928522

>>1928460
Lord Manderly is a master of the Sitting Lardass, Hidden Badass school of plot-fu. Seriously, we spent four books reading about characters thinking "dem Manderlys, dem fatass spineless bastards" and then suddenly IT'S RAT COOK TIME BITCHES HEY DAVOS SMUGGLE ME BACK MY LIEGE LORD

>> No.1928594

Quentyn Martell: The sun (of Dorne) setting in the east
The seas dry up: The Dothraki sea's grass dying
Mountains blow in the wind like leaves: Gregor yelling as he died
When your womb quickens again and you bear a living child: Dany bleeding e'erywhere

Bran confirmed for warging into the empty husk of Drogo's body, making sweet love to Dany, and being a head of the dragon

>> No.1928596

>>1928594
... I'd read that.

>> No.1928615

You guys are missing the SHINING STAR of this book.

Darkstar was in it.

It's only a matter of time before he marries Drogon and rides Danerys to melt the Iron Throne into a tiara and rule all of Westeros.

>> No.1928618

>>1928615
I thought the only mention of Darkstar was in the Dorne chapter, where everyone is wondering "Where the fuck did Darkstar go?"

>> No.1928669

I'm listening to the (unabridged) audiobooks of this series.

Am I wasting my time?

>> No.1928673

Bran will become the Great Other, or his avatar in a way.
Jon Snow is the Prince Who was Promised.
The Horn Mance Rydar found is the Song of Ice.
The Horn Euron Greyjoy found is the Song of Fire.

Once everyone is done playing the Game of Thrones it will come down to a battle between the Gods. Winter versus Summer.

No, I haven't finished Dance yet.

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>>1928669

>audiobooks

>> No.1928690

>>1928674
They're exactly the same as written books except I'm free to do something else.

>> No.1928694

>>1928673
Sounds like you haven't even started it.

>> No.1928921

I liked the Tyrion chapters. What's with all the hate? They were more psychological than his chapters in previous books. I thought his inner conflict, remorse and depression were described very well.

I think people need to just get over the fact that Tyrion can't be fucking shit up with axes all the time.

>> No.1928931

>>1928921

I'm about halfway through, and Tyrion's are the best, followed by Davos.

>> No.1928957

>>1928673
>The Horn Mance Rydar found is the Song of Ice.

No, it's DEFINITELY fire.

tee hee

>> No.1928968

> You will never be ordered to perform oral sex on a barely-teenaged girl while your master watches ;_;

>> No.1928983

>>1924307
>Uses the word hipster
>Thinks his arguement is valid.

Typical neckbeard.

>> No.1928997

Looks like I'm not the only one who resorted to buying the hardcover instead of waiting for the paperback to come out.

MY BOOKS LOOK ALL AWKWARD NOW. And I'll feel compelled to buy the rest in hardcovers!

>> No.1929008

>>1926506

I bought the first two novels before the shoddy HBO tag came on them. Now the rest of my books have it. :(

>> No.1929214

Another book without Howland Reed.

Seriously, what the fuck.

>> No.1930033

So, uh. Who else thought the Jon Snow ending was really cool?

TROLLFACE.JPG

>> No.1930305

>>1928441
>Dany
>ooohhh daario
>I can save everyone!

>Jon
>ultra liberal 'I want to be nice to everyone but nothing bad at all can come of that' attitude, gets murdered for it

>not teenagers

Someone didn't read the books. No adult has the lets save them all attitude.

Also, dat sloppy circumcision.

>> No.1930309

What gives with this series? I've seen threads about this for weeks now, why is it so good and why should i start reading it?

>> No.1930314

>>1930309
it's good because it's about actual characters, and not some prophecy where a single hero fucks evil in the ass. Yes, there are various 'prophecies' in the books, but they're only mentioned peripherally. It's basically a fantasy novel written like actual literature.

>> No.1930315

>>1930309
I can't speak for anyone else but I like it because it's a fantasy series without a "main character". I am so goddamned tired of "BOY YOU ARE THE CHOSEN ONE NOPE I DON'T CARE HOW RELUCTANT YOU ARE EVERY DECISION YOU MAKE IS PERFECT" which plagues so much fantasy.

>> No.1930326

>>1930314
But whatever you do, don't get involved in the fandom. They've already written the rest of the story for themselves with Jon and Dany marrying and living happily ever after while destroying the Others, and they don't give a shit if that's what GRRM intends or not. Everyone I knew blew a fucking casket at Jon's death at the end of ADWD because "omg he is the main character the PRINCE WHO WAS PROMISED." Just stay the fuck away from anyone else who has read the books.

>> No.1930332

>>1930326
I think GRRM had Jon "die and Dany get "married" simply to piss off the shitty parts of his fanbase.

Which I am all for.

>> No.1930333

>>1930326
>Implying he won't be resurrected my Melisandre.

Seriously, why else would she keep seeing him in the fires when she asks R'hollr to show her Azor Ahai? Mel ain't as good as reading the fires as she likes to think.

>> No.1930350

>>1930333
He'll probably walk it off just like Arya walked off her blindness.

>> No.1930356

>>1930350
>He got better.


Heh, I chortled. But I'm this guy>>1928673, so I see Melisandre resurrecting Jon because he is truly Azor Ahai rebron. If only we had more Bran chapters. 440 pages in, fucking two Brans. Y u do dis GRRM?

>> No.1930358

>>1930356
There are only three in the whole book. And only 4 Davos.

>> No.1930362

>>1930350
Now that's not fair, even in the last book the blindness was obviously just a part of her training.

>> No.1930370 [DELETED] 

>>1930358
>4 Davos
>3 Bran
>Okay.jpeg


Niggers are practicallty my favorite characters. Does Melisandre have more than one? I assume she will since they used her name and not some gay little title.

>> No.1930377

>>1930370
nope, just the one

>> No.1930385

>>1930370
Nope, only one. By the time you reach the halfway point say goodbye to bran and davos for the rest of the book, lol.

>> No.1930388

kongregate.com/games/Leviathan278/lost-in-space-v0-15

>> No.1930422

>>1930362
>implying dying and coming back isn't how Jon will learn how to beat the others

>> No.1930608

>>1928615
Darkstar is the biggest turd of a character ever.
He is the butt of every single joke.

>> No.1930670

>>1930315
This, fucking shit like WoT, SoT or Belgariad.
WOW HEY THERE FARMERS BOY, HAVE A MAGIC SWORD AND WOW THIS HOT BITCH WANTS YOUR DICK SUDDENLY BECAUSE YOUR HAIR IS UNKEMPT OR SOME SHIT.

WELL TIME TO BECOME KING, OH LOOK AT THAT YOUR SIMPLE PEASANT UPBRINGING MAKES YOU A MUCH BETTER RULER THAN LEGITIMATE MONARCHS.

>> No.1930674

>Arya's second chapter

I came. Seriously, I need a book about "The incredible adventures and murders of Arya, I mean, no one."

>> No.1930714

I keep thinking about picking up the first book, but I haven't actually read any fantasy since I was around 10 and read Lord of the Rings and Chronicles of Prydain.

>> No.1930745

What. The. Fuck. HE FUCKING KILLS OFF Jon. WHAT THE FUCK WHY YOU FAT SACK OF RANCID ASS ALDKJASLDAKLDASK

I'm mad as hell.

>> No.1930800

>>1930674
THANK YOU

I was scrolling through this thread and seeing people complaining about Bran only getting two chapters. WHAT THE HELL ABOUT NO ONE!

I want more!

And when she finally changed faces I was doing cartwheels in my head. YES

>> No.1930823

>>1930670
The Belgariad was pretty mad when I was a kid who hadn't read anything. But yeah, you're right.

>> No.1930826

>>1930333
SHIT you're right. Fucking R'hollor with his wacky resurrections. Jon's gonna have more holes than Dondarrion by the end of this. I wonder if he will live on through Ghost until then.

I was kinda hoping he would be dead for good just to see what the hell would happen.

I'm still not quite sure what the hell happened at Winterfell. Is that intentional?

All the Barristan chapters made me hard. I liked his story of how he escaped King's Landing.

Aegon's reveal blew my mind. I hope he doesn't end up as ineffective as Quentyn.

Arya is still the best. A faceless man who can also Warg? Fucking boss.

I didn't expect Bran to keep mindfucking Hodor. I kinda like that twist, he is just a boy, and skinchanging is an incredible temptation for someone with no legs. I wonder if he could talk normally as Hodor or if it really is the only thing he's capable of saying.

WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED WITH JAIME AND BRIENNE, HOW FUCKING DARE YOU GIVE US ONE CHAPTER AND NOTHING ELSE

Anyways, I was grateful for the complete lack of Sansa or Littlefinger. They deserve a long rest.

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>>1930800

>“And with that coin and the others in his purse, he paid a certain man. Soon after that man’s heart gave out. Is that the way of it? Very sad.”

>mfw

That was smooth.

>> No.1931227

>>1930826
Read the prologue again, both Varamyr and Jon are wargs, and when Varamyr died, it was described as a sudden splash into an icy lake, then being warged into his wolf. I have no doubt he's dead, the question is whether or not he's brought back, or rules as a wolf.

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mfw Jon Snow died.

>> No.1931233

>>1930033
I admit I kept hoping for Victarion to come in, rape Dany, and take her dragons, just to completely ruin any idea that Dany and Jon would ever get married. Also, motherfucking Mance Rayder I remember thinking something along the lines of "holy shit, no way, it can't be him, Martin is trolling us... FUCK YEAH!"

>> No.1931246

jons probably still alive or comming back. not because of fate or anything but for narrative reasons. series is confirmed for no new PoV characters. the wall needs someone there to tell its story and no one else is likely to go.

unless we get mel full time, but i think no. seeing through the pov of someone who can see prophecies all the time would be even more narritively disastrous then seeing nothing.

>> No.1931250

>>1931233

>just to completely ruin any idea that Dany and Jon would ever get married

id bet good money that this does happen though. not my house note, but probably the electric bill.

thats where the standard schlock fantasy story would go and a darker-and-grittier reimagining of the standard schlock is the one that gets called creative when stacked against something new.

>> No.1931274

>>1928673
lol I wrote this on /tv/ a few weeks ago

After reading ADWD I want this to happen but it won't because A Song of Ice and Fire is actually shit and GRRM is lost. Dany should have gone to Asshai after Qarth instead of fucking around in slavers bay. That was GRRM's first mistake.

>> No.1931277

>>1929214
HOWLAND REED IS NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO KNOWS OF JONS PARENTAGE

SEE: AEGON AND ALL THE PEOPLE WHO KNEW ABOUT THAT

>> No.1931278

Lenore = Ashara Dayne

>> No.1931282

>>1930826
>WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED WITH JAIME AND BRIENNE, HOW FUCKING DARE YOU GIVE US ONE CHAPTER AND NOTHING ELSE

This. Even though I didn't particularly like Brienne, she was a major part of AFFC and her and Podrick about to be executed was a cliffhanger.

Then all we get is one sentence in THE ONLY JAIME CHAPTER
"It's me Brienne lol come hang out with me jamie u kno u want me"

>> No.1931284

>>1931277

also Bran has the ability to find out about it too plus some other secrets of the past

>> No.1931287

I'm about 100 pages in...

whore whore whore fuck shit Tyrion drank fucked the whore fat bloody raped fragments of bone and whore blood. Many and more whores said Ser Barristan, on the whore covered dock front.

Is GRRM trying to self parody, or were the other books the same and I just can't remember?

>> No.1931291

>>1931284
Yeah I almost forgot about that. Does anyone what the 'brown haired woman with the spear kissing the young tall knight" was about in Bran's timetravel dream? or the naked pregnant woman?

I know the girl who looked like arya and her brother was about Lyanna and Benjen.

Also what was that lot seven and melony shit about with melissandre? Was she a slave called Melony, sold to Lot Seven in Asshai?

>> No.1931293

>>1931287
This pisses me off as well. Tyrion use to be cool/wise in the first book

>> No.1931294

>>1931293

Yeah Tyrion chapters are a massive letdown. Jon is probably my favourite POV at the minute.

>> No.1931298

>>1931293
Tyrion first/second book: Smart, tactical, wise, bro to Jon Snow, awesome in the Battle of Blackwater, manages to hire Bronn and whip up an army.
Tyrion 5th book: LOL WHERES MAH WHOREHOUSE, daddy issues, GIVE ME ANOTHER DRINK, grrm pandering to HBO audiences

>> No.1931301

>>1931291
>Also what was that lot seven and melony shit about with melissandre? Was she a slave called Melony, sold to Lot Seven in Asshai?

I'd assume so. There's a part in the book elsewhere that shows some other Red Priests that are/were slaves.

>> No.1931303

>>1931293
>>1931294
>>1931298

I know what you mean, Tyrions chapters were the worst for me in ADWD too but regarding his behavior in the book you should considered how his position is now compared to the previous books.

He really doesn't know what to do and is lost. I do hope when he'll meets Dany he will be more motivated again

>> No.1931317

>>1931303

Does this post imply that he never reaches Meereen the whole book? Or have you not finished it yet?

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I have faith in Tyrion's ability to rebound.
I have not idea what direction Cersei is headed,
Victarion keeps on getting more interesting,
Barristan Selmy is a great POV character,
Arya and Jaime chapters...I NEED MORE!

I've been following this series since the original release of book 2, and goddamn I hope I won't be waiting 6 years again.

>> No.1931321

>>1931291
>'brown haired woman with the spear kissing the young tall knight"

it's speculated to be Dunk and Old Nan.

>> No.1931322

>>1931317
No characters from the last 4 books reach Danys in book 5. Someone from the West DOES reach her, but he's a new character.

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Also, Tyrion has always been able to use his House, wealth and rank to augment his cunning, and offset his tongue's tendency to get him into hot water.
The fact that he's dumped into the south with absolutely no advantages at all is simply a greater challenge for him, and considering all the shit he goes through in book 5, I'd say he deserves credit for just keeping his skin intact.

If he'd just dazzled his way through to danys with his razor wit, people would start using "mary-sue" on him. (incorrectly).

>> No.1931353

ok what?

I get why people are pissed about Dany's decision to get married to Hizdahr or whatever his name is, and not using the motherfucking dragons against Yunkai, that pissed me off, too, but other than that, she didn't make too many mistakes, and Jon's only mistake was that he should have told them to kill the wildlings at Hardhome. All his other decisions were great.

>> No.1931355

>>1931353
Wait what?

Why go to hardhome at all?

>> No.1931365

>>1931355
>>Why go to hardhome at all?
The main problem with leaving the wildling refugees to their own devices is that they are all likely to perish, and thus spawn a massive force of wights.

>> No.1931370

>>1931365
This. Everyone north of the wall will eventually become a wight. So it makes a lot of sense to try and bring as many wildlings south as possible.

Something which only Jon seems to have realized.

>> No.1931371

>>1931322
Tyrion is pretty damn close though even if he's in no position to actually talk to her.

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>mfw jon got stabbed

>> No.1931412

>>1931397
Stabbed?Lol no he got gutted and killed.

>> No.1931416

>>1931412

his wounds smoke. who has a scorched but hale arm in this novel and why again? oh right...

>> No.1931434

>>1931328
This. People feel like Tyrion acted out of character for this book but it's understandable considering everything that's happened to him.

>> No.1931437

>>1931416
Tyrion's piss smoked too when he pisses at the end of the world.

>> No.1931438

>>1931437

steam != smoke

>> No.1931440

They're going to try to burn Jon's body and he will be reborn. No feeding Jon to the fires.

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>my face when everyone loved song of ice and fire on /lit/ before it got popular
/lit/ confirmed for biggest hipster board?

>> No.1931453

Arianne Martell
Sansa Stark
Aeron 'Damphair' Greyjoy

>confirmed POVs for the next book

>> No.1931457

>>1931453
>Aeron

oh, good,. thought he was fishfood already.

>> No.1931461

This isn't a troll, but...

Don't know if I carry on reading this book (on page 101). In between reading this one and the old ones I'd discovered stuff like Dostoyevsky, Kafka, Joyce and others... and now ASOIAF seems boring and witless.

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>>1931461

>> No.1931468

>>1931464

Honestly not a troll. You have to admit there's a grain of truth to what I'm saying.

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>>1931468

>> No.1931473

This entire thread and not a single mention of god damn Benjen 'Coldhands' Stark?

I was so pissed when they just up and left him outside of the Greenseer's cave.

He better get a pov chapter in the next book, just one at least. There were not enough north-of-the-wall chapters in this book at all.

>> No.1931478

>>1931473

didn't Gregor said there won't be new POV character anymore?

also
>Benjen 'Coldhands' Stark

this was never confirmed in the book

>> No.1931480

>>1931473

the child of the forest called coldhands being someone who died a long time ago. does not sound much like Benjen.

>> No.1931481

Quentyn died a virgin

>> No.1931482

>>1931478
>Gregor

god I mean George of course

>> No.1931483

>>1931478
Hmm.. didn't hear about that.

Also it's pretty obvious he's Benjen Stark. Why else would GRRM keep dropping his name so much in this book.

Other dead characters don't get namedropped half as much (unless they're Tywin Lannister)

>> No.1931488

>>1931483
Of course I could be completely wrong and full of shit.

Either way I hope we see Benjen again in the next book. Wight or not.

Jon was talking about how the wights seem to keep their memories after death. Perhaps a highborn wight will have some memories of strategy etc. when facing the wall.

>> No.1931491

>>1931468

Well yes, Martin is not one of the great writers of the late 19th or early 20th century, but he does have some quite clever uses of diction to link characters together from different story-lines. Appreciating the subtle rhetorical devices used throughout the series can make up for the inane combat scenes.
Wit is intellectual humour, and only a few characters engage in it in Martin's books. That does not degrade the series; wit is not the primary concern.

>> No.1931505

>>1931491

Fair enough. I did enjoy the other books when I first read them (more than enjoy actually), but I can't seem to get into this one.

>> No.1931510

Ser Robert Strong POV confirmed for next book.

>> No.1931560

So, just finished. By the way, thank the editor for all the fillers and cliffhangers. All the real events are getting pushed back to TWoW.

And Wyman Manderly is now one of my favorite characters. Not only did he feed his enemies their own sons, but he, too, savored every bite of it. That's some hardcore revenge boning right there.

>> No.1931582

>>1931560
The severe lack of Jaime made me angry

>> No.1931589

>>1931560
Damn. I finished the book without knowing where do Freys go? Thanks for pointing this out you guys.

>> No.1931640

>>1931319
might be never if he dies choking on a pretzel in mexico. Now that would be quite unfortunate.

>> No.1931657

Dany needs Jorah more than thought. I always suspected that her success was manly his but, damn, I wasn't expect her to do so many mistakes after he was gone.
She learned nothing, before or after. Even in the end she is still waiting for a "prince" to save her, thinks her husband is noble and her only err was staying in Meeren.

If she gets the Iron Throne in the end, I'll be pissed.

also
I hate she that isn't barren.
Fucking Mary Sue.
Yes, she is still is a fucking Mary Sue.
All her mistakes are because she is "too good" and nothing, nothing, harms her for real because of it. She never pays the price of her mistakes.
Theon invaded Winterfell and killed 2 kids? Lost his fingers, teeth and dick.
Jaime harmed a kid? Lost a hand.
Dany mess up so baddly that everyone dies around her? Don't worry, soon your hair is going to grow back, here, have 3 dragons too!
BTW, you can still have babies with Jon/Enchanted Prince

>> No.1931663

Traveling to places and administrative tasks: the book.

Martin is getting too interested in his characters and universe, so he tries to cram in every last detail, thought, and conversation. The result is book that took too long to write, is longer than it should be for the events that happen, and time slows to a crawl. The exact same thing happened with the wheel of time series.

I still enjoyed the book, but the quality has definitely gone down.

>> No.1931666

>>1931663

Some of his fans are equally interested. He could crank out 5 more books similar to ADWD and AFFC as far as I'm concerned. I'm not pining for the conclusion.

>> No.1931668

>>1931657
Theon didn't get his dick cut off, only the foreskin flayed off. Which is why he's so embarrassed to be naked. He talks about wanting to fuck someone, and Ramsay asks if his cock is getting hard. Getting an erection would probably be agonizing for him, though, because of his flayed dick. I can't imagine that he would still be alive if Ramsay cut his dick and balls off in a rat infested dungeon and just let it bleed out and get infected.

That being said I hope Theon flays Ramsay alive in the dungeons of Pyke.

>> No.1931671

>>1931668
This.

Theon better rape and kill ramsay, or there is no justice in this gay world.

>> No.1931674

>>1931663
There are about 50 pages worth of food details in DwD

>> No.1931683

I'm pretty sure Ramsay gelded Theon. Kind of weird to think he went from being the most despised character to the most sympathetic.

Also, WTF, Jaime and Briene....the latter knows the Hound is dead. Why is she telling Jaime to meet him with her...I sense a trap. Fucking traitor Briene.

>> No.1931689

I put this shit on the shelf and went back to reading The Castle. Feels good man.

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Theon was always one of my favorite characters. Next to Cersei, Jamie and Sansa.
This book made most people feeling sorry for Theon and Cersei.....now I'm dreading what GRRM will do to Sansa.
After Jeyne Poole was treated, his lack of control and Cersei thinking Littlefinger asked to marry Sansa...yeah, he is going to rape her next book.

>> No.1931707

>>1931697
Of course he is.

>> No.1931713

>>1924908
wow, I never knew people can be so retarded. It's cool to see people trying to mask their stupidity while trying to sound smart in order to argue a point. It's okay though, I'm sure you're a special snowflake.


Also, ASoIaF isn't the second coming, the characters are captivating enough, but I wouldn't really put the series on top of everything else.

>> No.1931721

Bought it today and i'm reading Tyrion chapter 1 at the moment.

It's a shame Martin didn't make Varamyr a POV character, he was pretty badass. Shame he got the prolouge character treatment.

>> No.1931736

>>1931697
He can't rape her.She is still a virgin, so raping her would be very unwise.He wants to marry her to the heir of Vale, remember?

>> No.1931744

>>1923440
Mine sure as hell isn't. Every time I touch the cover I cum a little.

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i hope ramsey ends up with the iron throne

>> No.1931760

>>1931736
Many noble girls don't have a hymmen because they tend to ride, that was an argument used in Maergary's case, adding that he was expecting Tyrion to die.

And Littlefinger is out of control around her. The guy asked for her hand when she was betrothed to Joffrey, the future /King/ and kisses her outside when everyone (like Lysa) could see.

>> No.1931786

>>1931755
Ramsey is an animal.Roose though is an awesome schemer, Tywin reborn, that one.

>> No.1931788

>>1931760

yes, thats the point, ive grown to hate all the characters, i want them to suffer.

also, yeah tywin was the brains behind lannister but cersei still ended up in charge.

>> No.1931875

After this book I, for one, welcome our new Targ overlord.

>> No.1931882

They should make the books and letters a little bigger.

My eyes bleed when I read

>> No.1931890

>>1931875
The book is AWFUL.Fucking Dany and her stupid storyline.Fucking Penny and her pig.Fucking Quentyn the Frog.Fucking whiny Tyrion.Why couldn't the fat bastard just scrap the whole Mereen storyline and tell us about Westeros?Or he could at least give some conclusion,not that horrid cliffhanger ridden shit.

>> No.1931917

>>1931890
essos is awful, just awful.
If Tryion met Dany...but not even this.
And to put salt in the wound, the only character she mets in the fucking book dies.
We had to endure many Quentyn's pov when one would work just as fine. Maybe even better

>> No.1931925

>>1931882

More than mine did when I read Clash? JESUS CHRIST THE SMALL PRINT!!!!!

>> No.1931934

>>1931925
I wonder if they had this small letters in the books in old times.

I've heard that books used to be meter-wide and had giant letters. They seem to get smaller and smaller..

Be prepared for balldeep eye-raping when you read Fear of crows..

>> No.1931940

>>1931917
Victarion is okay, and Aegon was pretty cool, other than that though, I had no clue where anything was in relation to anything else, I always thought slaver's bay was due south of Braavos, didn't realize Valyria was right in the middle, etc. The only way to really redeem Essos would be an expedition into Valyria, or at least something involving Asshai.

>> No.1931946

>>1931934

the price of ink and paper keep going up, and people just arent willing to pay $50-60 for a book. such is a capitalism.

>> No.1931966

>>1931934

i've read the entire series up to current in Secondary School. Bought Dance today, i'm only on Tyrion chapter 1.

>> No.1931974

>>1931940

Anymore expanded on The Doom AKA Westeros's version of Chernobyl legend?

>> No.1931980

>>1931966
Thanks for spoiling that he still lives by then. :P

I haven't yet red aDwD.

>> No.1931984

why the fuck is everyone bitching about tyrion being drunk depressed and stupid?

you do realize that he found out he participated in the gang rape of the only woman to ever love him based on the lies of his best fried/the only family member he genuinely felt a family bond with and then killed his own father?

if i came out of that shit and my only problem was alcoholism and amotivation id be fucking estatic.

>> No.1931992

How many pages is the new one? Also, I'm on the last chapter of a Storm of Swords and I can't fucking find my book, and I don't want to start the next one yet. Driving me crazy..

>> No.1932002

>>1931992

Like 1000 pages, thing is like a brick.

>> No.1932003

>>1931882

if they made the font 1 pt bigger the book would be so big it'd be illegal in a couple european countries as a deadly weapon.

>> No.1932005

>>1931984
Also he killed Shae. Which is the only woman he ever cared about besides Tysha.

>>1931974
There's a paragraph or two in book 5 explaining why they don't go to Valyria. Personally, I found it one of the most entertaining parts of the whole book. I'd really like to have one or two characters go in there.

>> No.1932011

>>1932005
I bet his uncle is still alive

>> No.1932017

wait, so was I the only one expecting drogon to pop up and suddenly start being aegon's personal ride?

i remember tyrion seeing a winged beast when the boat was getting fucked and I thought it was drogon (could still be) scoping out his real master

>> No.1932040

>>1932011
Part of me wants GRRM to keep expanding the series, exploring every inch of Westeros.

But I just want some closure before he chokes on a pretzel watching the 2015 Super Bowl.

Which is three weeks before he decides to start on book 6

>> No.1932043

>>1932005
I bet his uncle is still alive somewhere

>> No.1932052

>>1932040


i'd say we'll have a two to three year wait on book 6. He really doesn't want to piss fans off like he did with Dance.

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>>1932052

>caring about the fans

no mate, those myrish swamps wont spelunk themselves.

>> No.1932105

>>1932052
>two to three year wait on book 6

aren't you innocent

>> No.1932110

>>1932040
>>1932040

There is no closure, everything is imaginary nonsense. You could go on forever. There is no logics involved here, just as in the bible. It's all a bunch of babble in it's truest form.

>> No.1932142

>>1932110

What the hell are you talking about?

>> No.1932167

>>1932142
THE TRUTH. THE TRUTH OF THE SEVEN YOU MINDLESS HEATHEN.

no but really, THE TRUTH. IN ALL GODS N..

Look, what would be a possible end for a medieval realm? There must always be a king, there will always be a struggle. Even if all main characters dies, there will be new ones to replace them. THE GAME OF LIF..I MEAN THRONES NEVER ENDS. It is known.

>> No.1932178

>>1932167

Yes but that applies to all fiction bro.

>> No.1932179

This kid has blue hair and he's smart.

HE MUST BE AEGON.

>> No.1932207

>>1932178

But here he cannot afford of spoiling the brand with some apocalypse. And there are no heroes either. In most fiction, heroes dies or fulfills some mission. There is no mission here and the void of reality is what determines the mechanics behind it all. There is nothing to expect in the end, because there is nothing to end.

So What? Should the dragons burn down the entire world, mayhaps? Or maybe a comet will strike down and kill the entire human species? Please..

The story has had the same dynamics since the beginning and nothing has really changed. People play with power, and they will continue to do so and that is what we all love with the book, in essence (it is known).

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>>1932207
I was simply weary of Fantasy where the hero was obviously a good guy and seems assured of a Good End right from the very beginning.

Even the "main heroes", Danys and Jon, have a good chance of becoming semi-villainous. Jaime's transition into a protagonist was well done, and if he manages to make me fully sympathetic to Theon....

>> No.1932301

>>1932258
>>1932258

The only possible end might be if the moon finally touches the sun and a million dragons break out from it (the moon is a giant egg). This happened once before. It is known.

>> No.1932848

quentyn really fizzed out there at the end

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>>1932848
His story felt burnt-out towards the end.

>> No.1933645

>>1924307
I didn't buy the mass market paperback versions. Freakin' Storm of Swords is 1000+ pages in that little book. It won't hold up.

I have some sort of paperback variant. There's a little wear on the edge of the covers where my hands have been holding but it's not noticeable unless I point it out.

>> No.1933677

>>1932301
Sounds like the end of Bone where billions of fucking dragons come out of fucking nowhere and save the world. I mean what the fuck.