Nietzsche

[Anonymous No.19224598]

I don't want to read Nietzsche and then be told "I didn't understand him" as happens here 100 times a day. Where does one start with Niet? What translation? I hear the Kauffman is either completely endorsed or scorned, how can that be?

Nietzsche general bread I guess

[Anonymous No.19224607]

>>19224598
"You didn't understand Nietzsche" is just what I say when you disagree with me.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.19224643]

>>19224598
Foucault is an anarchist?

[Anonymous No.19224820]

>>19224598
You probably will understand him just by reading a few good summaries and the forwards to whichever books you choose. He's not too difficult, and that's why these psueds get so angry. They want to think they're in a secret club.

>>19224643
You're dumb as a fucking rock, you know that?

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.19224894]

>>19224820
The answer is a simple “no”
To which we can both say the maker of that picture is dumb as a fucking rock.
But no. You had to be a dumb piece of shit. You probably think Nietzsche aligns with nazis

[Anonymous No.19225120]

>>19224894
The question was rhetorical. Of course you can't grasp how dumb you are.

[Anonymous No.19225218]

just learn german bro, preferably middle high german, im reading the "Also sprach zarathustra" right now and its pretty digestible.

[Anonymous No.19225223]

>>19224598
Lerne Deutsch, du Wichser.

[Anonymous No.19225294]

>>19224598
foucault should be bottom right

[Anonymous No.19225910]

>>19224598
When people don't understand Nietzsche, it tends to be because they think Nietzsche prefers master morality to slave morality. He doesn't. They also tend to think he thinks compassion is a bad thing but he doesn't. If you read with this in mind you should be okay.

[Anonymous No.19225919]

>>19224598
>>19224607
>"You didn't understand Nietzsche" is just what I say when you mention Nietz since I couldn't be arsed to read him, and I know it shuts you up because anyone who reads him are driven by inferiority complexes

[Anonymous No.19225939]

>>19224598
The most optimal way to start with Neetzsche is by not starting with Neetzsche. In other words, start with the Greeks first.

[Anonymous No.19225945]

>>19225910
Care to show this with actual passages from what Nietzsche himself wrote?

[Anonymous No.19226021]

>another thread for people who haven't read N to debate people who didn't understand him about whether it is based and redpilled to agree with him or not

[Anonymous No.19226553]

this is the correct approach
https://i.warosu.org/data/lit/img/0178/31/1616280808226.png

[Anonymous No.19226559]

>>19224894
>You probably think Nietzsche aligns with nazis
He would align with the Fascists, or better yet completely stay away from politics; and admire Hitler as an individual.

[Anonymous No.19226708]

>>19226559
>admire Hitler as an individual
who appealed to the masses through resentment?

[Anonymous No.19226720]

>>19224598
>I don't want to read Nietzsche and then be told "I didn't understand him" as happens here 100 times a day. Where does one start with Niet?
Thats your problem. That IS the problem. you think in terms of Nietzsche being the endgame as an a priori matter of fact. thats what makes so many Nietzsche retards, retards. They dont have the dynamic appreciation of other systems, nor the broader perspective to interact with his project cohesively. It makes many people myopic and oddly enough, dogmatic.

The problem isnt Nietzche, its that people are obsessed with the idea of Nietzsche to the point of being miopic. Start with the greeks. I would recommend you at least read plato and Aristotle. Maybe confessions to.

[Anonymous No.19226733]

>>19226708
Solely through resentment? I think that's an underrepresentation.

[Anonymous No.19226734]

>>19224598
In order to thoroughly understand Nietzsche, you must thoroughly understand Socrates. To that end, there is probably no better place to start than Leo Strauss' work on Aristophanes, Xenophon, and Plato

[Anonymous No.19226744]

>>19224598
What form of retard made this pic?

oh yah, probably a retard who didnt understand Nietzsche or the other four, lol.

[Anonymous No.19226773]

One mustn't start reading Nietzsche if he hasn't finished both parts of Goethe's Faust.

[Anonymous No.19226820]

>>19226773
Ill give you both parts of Goethe's FAUST right here Faggot!

[Anonymous No.19226826]

>>19224598
Kaufmann is the best you'll get for an english translation, he has a deep appreciation for the material.
Reactionaries get kind of assblasted about him, since he pretty openly scorns their interpretation. FWIW Nietzsche scorned them pretty openly during his life too, though he is a famously prickly character

[Anonymous No.19226852]

>>19226820
Which Faust was Goethe's defensive and which one was his offensive one? I think he threw mean uppercuts with Faust 2.

[Anonymous No.19226861]

>>19226820
That guy pumps his nipples.

[Anonymous No.19226946]

>>19224598
You don't read Kaufman for the rendering, you read Kaufman for the notes. Hollingdale nails the idiomatic style; contemporary translations by mainline academic publishers are usually more than adequate all around.

GOM
Birth of Tragedy, Pre-Platonics Lectures, Aphoristic works through Daybreak
Antichrist & Gay Science
TSZ, Twilight of the Idols
BGE, Ecce Homo
Correspondence & Notes

TSZ is the cipher for the late works, and the late works will fill the unstated gaps in TSZ. Secondary literature on Nietzsche is hit & miss, all over the place. Just read the source material.

[Anonymous No.19227033]

>>19225910
>they think Nietzsche prefers master morality to slave morality. He doesn't.
Quote from The Anti-Christ:
>What is good? - All that heightens the feeling of power, the will to power, power itself in man.
>What is bad? - All that proceeds from weakness.
Nietzsche obviously prefers master morality to slave morality. I agree that he doesn't explicitly scorn compassion as he does pity because compassion can be life-affirming.

[Anonymous No.19227383]

>>19226861
I like how he's told me what to punch.

[Anonymous No.19227534]

>>19226708
Thats a powerless journalist. Hitler actually has power.

[Anonymous No.19227581]

>>19227534
>Thats a powerless journalist
Who?

[Anonymous No.19228918]

>>19224598
i wrote the gpt-3 nietzche bot so i've been on a huge nietzche binge. i'd recommend this order.

>beyond good and evil
>thus spoke zarathustra
>twilight of the idols
>genealogy of morals
>ecco homo
>gay science
>will to power 1/2

related: https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/58025/pg58025-images.html

[Anonymous No.19228922]

>>19224894
buttercunt
it's been a while. i hope you are well.

[Anonymous No.19229530]

>>19224598
>Where does one start with Niet?
Read Kierkegaard and Dostoyevsky.

[Anonymous No.19229612]

>>19224643
no, hes a radical liberal, but that doesnt really work with this chart

[Anonymous No.19230103]

>>19224598
to understand nIetzche is to understand THAT he knew the 'john galt's of tomorrow would enslave everyone with technique and technology. he tried to encourage them to read books and be worthy of their status. naturally, this will not happen and it drove him insane once he realized it. Nietzsche is only addressed and relevant in modern discussion through a historicity process in a Foucault sense where they look to past philosophers who justify their bullshit because they're retards. Nevertheless his critique of hegel is trash and he has no considerable response to it.

read the phenomenology of spirit instead

[Anonymous No.19230142]

>>19224643
kek you're so retarded

[Anonymous No.19230146]

>>19229612
Radical liberals are yellow, bottom right.

There's only one bottom left well known thinker:

C L R James.

awww yiss, historians fuck youse cunce up yet again.

[Anonymous No.19230304]

>read Nietzsche for a month
>have absolutely no desire to read any other philosophy
>just want to conquer myself and my desires and live as hard as possible