/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.19222498]

After reading this book I've been unable to shake off the anxiety that we're all living in a ticking time bomb

[Anonymous No.19222505]

Read some other books

[Anonymous No.19222591]

>>19222498
Qrd

[Anonymous No.19222618]

>>19222591
we're living in a ticking timebomb

[Anonymous No.19222624]

>>19222498
Liberalism is dying because of the spirit of the law. The west is no longer the means of production in our mechanized world, the genesis of liberalism; we are now the consumers of wealth, where as places like China have taken the former mantle. One half of the world consumes, the other produces. The problem being that as consumers, we no longer require liberalism to maximize production - autonomy to facilitate the invisible hand of the market - as we have nothing to produce. What will likely result is a return to despotism for the consuming nations; a reduction in your ability to acquire tenable wealth in turn for perishable wealth, thus creating a perpetual cycle. The removal of upward mobility.

I recommend reading The Spirit of the Laws by Montesquieu and A Nation Of Wealth by Adam Smith and synthesizing them together to get a full picture. Things like geography, culture and economics dictate our politics. We don't choose political systems, they choose us.

[Anonymous No.19222644]

>>19222591
Liberalism is a foundationally broken ideology because it necessitates liberation from every aspect of life and thus enhancing state control over our lives to keep these structures in tact. This contradicts liberalism since the individual is supposed to have primacy and not governments. So we're in a position where globalization has amplified these contradictions significantly and the liberal system will probably implode since it can't handle giving freedom to the masses of the world and constantly destroys our main functions of life (family, fertility, religion, culture, gender) in its pursuit of universal emancipation. The state actors will become more powerful to try and maintain stability in the midst of chaos while the masses will be neglected and alienated, thus opening the doors for the inevitable collapse of liberalism.

[Anonymous No.19223995]

>>19222498
Why can't anyone just be honest and say Liberalism and the West in general are failing because of semites and niggers? I mean these are the real reasons nothing can get done for the better. I'm so tires of all the Jewish bullshit and nigger worship. I'm not even racist. But like Asian woman can't play in the NBA Jews, Muslims and niggers aren't capable of highest levels of civility or humanity and are only capable of enviously tearing down and destroying.

[Anonymous No.19224006]

>>19222624
>>19222644
STFU with all this gay bullshit. You pretend niggers can so math and Jews can be trusted not to compulsively stab non Jews in the back for ne reason and you get what we have now. All this retarded rationalization, blah, blah, blah. SHUT UP YOU STUPID FAGGOT

[Anonymous No.19224009]

>>19223995
The issue is that it's taboo to criticize Jewish theology, which is dangerous.I think there is a very hard black pill that America failed because it lost its protestant roots and is now so multi-ethnic as to be fully fragmented.

[Anonymous No.19224030]

>>19222624
>The west is no longer the means of production in our mechanized world, the genesis of liberalism; we are now the consumers of wealth, where as places like China have taken the former mantle.
https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/ranking/manufacturing-output
Let's not go overboard here. The West produces a ton of stuff.

[Anonymous No.19224103]

>>19222498
It's failing because it's out of cheep, easy-to-get non-renewable energy such as coal, oil, and natural gas, which every year becomes more expensive to extract and yields less surplus for all things industrial, commercial, and residential. Less surplus = less wealth = less taxes collected by governments in power (liberal or otherwise) = why things fail. Throw in how useless people are at understanding or managing anything of what powers their lives and you've got even more rapid decline a la "going green". You want a book to read, check out "Man. Energy. Society" by Earl Cook.

[Anonymous No.19224119]

>>19222498
How has liberalism failed? It's chugging along as well as ever. Everyone likes to believe they're living in the end times though I guess.

[Anonymous No.19224137]

>>19224119
>likes to believe they're living in the end times
>likes to believe
Climate change, moron. We unironically are in the End Times.

[Anonymous No.19224145]

I think that we're living in essentially the modern equivalent of the late Roman Empire and that we need to down the pill of Neoplatonic Stoicism that Augustine put forth in City of God to brace for a very slow and painful few decades ahead.

Based or cringe?

[Anonymous No.19224154]

>>19224137
Dude we'll have carbon capture in 20 years. Climate change is a meme. And it's not even a problem with liberalism anyway.

[Anonymous No.19224191]

>>19224145
Broaden your view to include our current ecological overshoot predicaments (among other such predicaments) that very well means extinction for most complex lifeforms (humans beings are one such) and your views are accurate. Rome had better infrastructure, though, retained even after the empire collapsed. Our society goes down with the loss of the power grid alone, already in 100 year disrepair.

[Anonymous No.19224196]

[Anonymous No.19224217]

>>19224196
Cool. Now I know why I don't want to read Spengler. Thank you for sharing.

[Anonymous No.19224221]

>>19224119
>How has liberalism failed? It's chugging along as well as ever.
How can one reasonably believe this in our day and age? Well, maybe if you're American it's possible. People have less rights and more government here than ever. You have police going door to door with massive transcripts of internet surveillance holding impromptu trials against civilians who haven't committed any crime. https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1447240304084594688 If you don't believe me.

Liberalism is in decline everywhere, not just locally too. The rise of China who are fundamentally anti-liberal constitutes a greater threat than our own domestic follies, but the trend is clear, liberalism is on its way out.

>>19223995
*blocks your path*

[Anonymous No.19224229]

>>19224103
Almost all scarcity is artificial in nature. Malthusians are all retards. We produce more oil today than ever before. We haven't even begun to properly tap into nuclear power, and states that do, like France, have incredibly cheap energy and are exporting to retards like the Germans who invested into wind.

[Anonymous No.19224316]

>>19224221
>People have less rights and more government here than ever.
[citation needed] Government is necessary to secure rights. Medieval serfs weren't freer because government was nonexistent.
>You have police going door to door with massive transcripts of internet surveillance holding impromptu trials against civilians who haven't committed any crime.
So some guy in Australia being questioned at his door for social media posts is "internet surveillance" in an "impromptu trial" and means THE ENTIRE IDEOLOGY OF LIBERALISM WORLDWIDE HAS FAILED. k.
Did you know that in WW2 the government forced opposition broadcasters off the air, censored everyone's mail and put citizens in detention camps? And liberalism thrived for decades after? Somehow I don't think social media shit is the end of liberalism.

>The rise of China
You mean the country in the middle of a massive recession? That is panicking over the demographic crisis that is about to fuck their development? Lel.

[Anonymous No.19224388]

>>19224137
Dude, there are trees, plants, and grass fucking everywhere, and they convert carbon dioxide into oxygen. Did everyone suddenly forget about photosynthesis?

[Anonymous No.19224390]

>>19224316
>strawman strawman strawman

[Anonymous No.19224547]

>>19224229
You don't have access to all of everything all at once. There's a limited rate at which things are produced. Instead of comparing the absolute theoretical quantity of supplies think in terms of the first derivative of their coming availability and likewise their consumption. Just because le peak oil was a meme doesn't mean there's a boundless cornucopia for each of us to enjoy at all times.

[Anonymous No.19224559]

>>19224217
Filtered

[Anonymous No.19224572]

>>19224547
That's purely a logistical problem, there are enough resources on Earth for everyone and a few billion more to live well.

[Anonymous No.19224588]

>>19224388
Then they decay and release that CO2 back into the atmosphere... not to mention the amount of CO2 they sequester short-term isn't even close to the amount we emit

[Anonymous No.19224619]

>>19224137
All vlimate predictions in the last 40 years have been wrong. The reality is that most climate scientist don't have a fucking clue about what they are talking about

[Anonymous No.19224692]

>>19224619
>The reality is that most climate scientist don't have a fucking clue about what they are talking about
Do you?

[Anonymous No.19224934]

>>19224619
The-death-of-expertise.jpg the post

[Anonymous No.19225048]

>>19222498
Its because we are living in a ticking time bomb. Look around you prices sky rocketing due to inflation. Political unrest where no one is believing the narratives anymore. We are in Weimar timers.

[Anonymous No.19225055]

>>19222644
makes sense

[Anonymous No.19225279]

Embrace chaos and death as integral to life and see the opportunities arising from the fall of American hegemony. Multipolarity, this order will not last for long and you can help bring it down. Hstory begins anew.

[Anonymous No.19225560]

I keep seeing this book posted here. Is it actually worth reading?

I tend to think the main problem is cultural. From my perspective, liberalism is built on a foundation consisting of ideas like civic virtue, and this stuff has been eroded by forces like the market's invasion of every sphere of human life.

My problem with a lot of the David Frum and Steven Pinker type defenders of liberalism and le epic Enlightenment is that they seem to assume these ideas just fell out of the sky, rather than growing out of society's traditions and cultural attitudes.

For example, when a journalist asked Captain Preston why he went to the battle of Concord in 1975, "Young man, what we meant in going for those redcoats was this: we always had governed ourselves, and we always meant to. They didn't mean we should."

[Anonymous No.19225623]

Give me one good reason climate change wont cause worlwide chaos, unrest and war in the coming decades

[Anonymous No.19225699]

>>19224221
If anything, it's the left that's getting the brunt of the repression today

[Anonymous No.19225788]

>>19222498
Who cares?
My life won't change. My novels won't write themselves if liberalism wins, and they won't write themselves if it loses either. I don't care. This is a literature board.

[Anonymous No.19225822]

>>19225699
Example?

[Anonymous No.19225831]

>>19225623
Because other things will cause it first

[Anonymous No.19225835]

>>19225699
t.

[Anonymous No.19225842]

>>19225623
People have been saying climate change ends the world next decade for over 70 years now.

[Anonymous No.19225923]

>>19224137
normie filtered.

I'm still amazed how many idiots fall for this climate change/catastrophy meme. We have big problems with water-economy and soil fertility also with planning spaces with consideration to geographic and weather factors. Thus we have problems eith extreme weather but that has nothing to do with a global warming, which was never scientifically proven anyway.
Humans are stupid enough to oversee the perfection and wisdom of nature. So we project ourselfs into nature and thus destroy and degrade it to match our inner filth and loneliness.

Fuck of with climate change. Al Gore said 20 years ago that the earth would end in 12 years. Greta has been crying about it for the last few years and nothing changes. It has not been much warmer and if so that is because of the fucking concrete everywhere and the drying up of underground seas because ageiculture sucks to mich water out of the ground. It also rains less because of citys.

Fuck you all you stupid dimwitts learn something vefore believing anything.

[Anonymous No.19225942]

>>19222644
>because it necessitates liberation from every aspect of life and thus enhancing state control over our lives to keep these structures in tact
Wrong. "Freedom from" isn't liberalism; it's "freedom to". People calling for the state to run their lives are commies.

[Anonymous No.19225952]

OP here. Posted the wrong image. Sorry.

[Anonymous No.19226026]

>>19223995
Take your meds, scizo

[Anonymous No.19226030]

op i had the same feeling after reading "the genetic lottery". now i can't stop dooming. seriously, i haven't recovered.

[Anonymous No.19226043]

>>19225923
in my area they try to blame all the flooding on global warming when really it's because greedy developers are building luxury condo towers on what used to be flood plains.

[Anonymous No.19226130]

>>19225623
People will use climate change as a rhetorical tool to justify mass migration and tyranny (political centralisation and authoritarianism), when actual climate change doesn’t necessarily entail these - in fact, climate change should lead to decentralisation and the cessation of migratory routes and transportation between parts of the world

The easier transportation is and the richer the third world gets, the more migration

But these ideas (mass migration, central control, giving up liberties) are already getting accepted by the populace as something inevitable, unchangeable - it’s all a massive psyop

[Anonymous No.19226216]

>>19224619
the people that bet against the bank at 2008 housing crisis, is too early, but their prediction happened. we are in "the market can remain irrational longer than you can stay solvent" phase of end times.

[Anonymous No.19226225]

>>19222498
>living in a ticking time bomb
There's been no time where this hasn't been true
Everything fails and collapses, that's simply how it is
On a personal level, you will die, everyone you know will die, and before then, you will be sick and miserable
Do you seriously need to read some trash best-seller to realize the most basic thing in life?

[Anonymous No.19226441]

>>19224030
Whenever you see the stat that western manufacturing has actually increased over the past 30 years, it's basically all because semi-conductor manufacturing has grown like 30,000%. If it wasn't for that one industry massively boosting up the mean average, then we would see just how far down the shitter our industrial base has gone.

[Anonymous No.19226862]

>>19225699
yeah totally, the people who have all cultural power are the ones repressed by liberalism. that’s definitely what’s happening

[Anonymous No.19228085]

>>19225623
climate change actually can save the white race because it would be a scenario of us or them, whites have to be really dead inside to not react at all

[Anonymous No.19228103]

>>19228085
>whites have to be really dead inside to not react at all
They kinda are though. Europe’s only hops is an Arab or Turk or African coming to power so they can be as brutal as needed to keep refugees away. If whites are running the show by the time it becomes a problem, it’s over.

[Anonymous No.19228129]

>>19226862
LGBTJWTFNPC marxist cattle are engineer biopolitical clientele. a mindless, bleating herd of consumer cattle ready to follow marching orders from psychiatrists, pharmaceuticals, the mass media monoculture, and the democratic party. I mean look at your average marxist tranny, a thing which cannot be considered as fully human, but as a subhuman vessel for corporate social engineering agendas, whose aim is to lower the biological level of human life, as to further government control and corporate profits

[Anonymous No.19228134]

>>19228129
this is bioleninism and these are biological enemies, the struggle against marxism is life's struggle against death. against those who would hold disease as preferable to health.

[Anonymous No.19228164]

>>19222591
civic virtue is the non-renewable resource powering western civilization and we're fast running out

[Anonymous No.19228176]

We are living on borrowed time.

[Anonymous No.19228186]

>>19226043
the parts of NYC that flooded during Sandy were all on reclaimed land. if you look at the flood map it stops at the original shoreline of manhattan

[Anonymous No.19228197]

The fact 50% of the current money in circulation in the US was printed in the last year should indicate something.

[Anonymous No.19228223]

>>19222591
selfish people exist and make shit up to sell books

[Anonymous No.19228249]

>>19228129
Yes, but that’s still ostensibly “leftist.” They call themselves Marxists no matter how much they serve the liberal globalization structure. It’s absurd to say leftists have no clout in the world today, more accurate to say that communism is dead outside China

[Anonymous No.19228284]

>>19226862
its like seeing black lives matter on the lawn of a southern plantation, its about paternalism, the nigger is homo sacer bare life, you don't want free citizens, you want bare lives at the mercy of the master. to liberal (((elites))), ordinary white people are just uppity niggers, too entitled. twhile we all know what the rainbow flag means: buckbreaking for everyone.

[Anonymous No.19228296]

>>19228249
I like the term cultural marxism because it pisses all the right people off. I mean if these people are going to call you a fascist for not wanting to be a second class citizen in your own country for not wanting children to get molested, or daring to have thoughts unauthorized by the DNC and CNN, then can fascism probably be all that bad?

[Anonymous No.19228335]

>>19222498
We do. Read Klaus Schwab.

[Anonymous No.19228789]

>>19226441
I generally agree and it is a criminal, self-serving thing that the establishment decided to do. Economically it has made our lives worse but another thing is the quality of products worldwide is awful. Supposed 'abundance' but the most expensive option on the market barely matches the standard option of the past. This is apparent in almost anything you can think of despite it all more expensive.

However, sheer volume isn't a notable thing. The real value is in things not everyone can do. And there are still heaps of things that the rest of the world, including China, need help with from the West. This will change, I think, but it has not yet. China also really lacks in research and development, preferring to rely on reverse-engineering the fruits of Western research and development (or just stealing) or Western expertise (without allowing them to have any power). Ultimately it is dumb and won't end well, but it's a ways off and the path could change.

[Anonymous No.19228806]

>democrats in power
>capitalist economy growing rapidly
>traditionalism declining everywhere
yep, "liberalism failed". kek.

[Anonymous No.19228807]

>>19224388
>>19224588
Plants are irrelevant. It's the oceans that are key.

[Anonymous No.19228808]

>>19228284
take your meds

[Anonymous No.19228814]

>>19228806
>drumpf defeated
>all existential threats magically solved!
fucking golden retriever brained-ass fucking ass liberal

[Anonymous No.19228821]

>>19228814
Liberalism has been hegemonic for over 200 years. It's gonna fail any day now, anon! Keep believing!

[Anonymous No.19228826]

>>19228821
and don't you know no system has ever lasted two hundred entire years

[Anonymous No.19228849]

>>19225623
'Climate change' is only ever used to absolve companies and governments of responsibility for something they did directly that fucks the environment (like dumping waste or overusing water) or to justify stealing public money or to justify authoritarianism or to sell products (it is more grifting than actual concern, as you can see with there being no real plans only grift). Along with incessant fearmongering that rarely makes sense that is of course just one more item to wage war on the prole's mind and prime it for the routine mass psychosis. I would hope it is a real thing, given how hard we believe it, but it is never presented or used in a legitimate way.

[Anonymous No.19229175]

>>19226862

mfw

[Anonymous No.19229202]

>>19222498
I wonder how many mainstream conservatives read this book thinking it wouldn't be about them

[Anonymous No.19229255]

>>19228849
Climate change is FAR more serious than you seem to think. It is the Great Cataclysm, the most important ecological event in human history. There is a significant risk that it results in human extinction, and global civilization's demise is already a forgone conclusion. It's quite literally Biblical in that it is the End Times. It boggles my mind that people think things like China or Communism even matter anymore; climate change, other less critical ecological crises, and our response to them is all that matters.

[Anonymous No.19229324]

>>19229255
This

[Anonymous No.19229332]

>>19229255
Substantiate your claiks, I always dismissed this as alarmism

[Anonymous No.19229344]

>>19228821
Kek, wtf is this guy on about, of course Rome is still a republic. The senate meets regularly, when the first citizen allows them to!

[Anonymous No.19229371]

>>19228821
liberal cultures have been below replacement births for 50 years, while anti-liberal cultures average 4 children per woman. liberalism might not be refuted philosophically but it has been refuted by natural law.

[Anonymous No.19229379]

>>19229371
gdp might be a stupid fucking way to measure economic success but it's miles better than baby output

[Anonymous No.19229397]

>read doomer book
>think doomer thoughts
wow

[Anonymous No.19229398]

>>19229255
So what have you changed in your own life to do your part? Do you only buy locally sourced food and commodities?

[Anonymous No.19229403]

>>19229379
in order to keep your gdp high you will need to import workers from the people who are having babies. just like how you already exported every job possible to illiberal places with high birth rates. is your expectation that a small liberal caste will rule over a global empire of illiberal workers? would that be sustainable? would be it just? would it even really be liberal?

[Anonymous No.19229680]

>>19229255
Is this pasta?

[Anonymous No.19229693]

>>19222498
Good, now follow it up with this.

[Anonymous No.19230807]

>>19226043
and we all have to constantly wring our hands about the droughts that those poor innocent folks in the desert are experiencing. they will be begging for water from the great lakes in my lifetime, and I will be clogging that pipeline with my body if it comes down to it.

[Anonymous No.19230847]

>>19222498
don't worry. history is over. we reached escape velocity from history. life in developed countries is now far too comfortable and placating for anyone to ever be able to change anything. all the revolutionary larping that goes on, whether left or right, is just another hobby that liberalism has provided the masses. at the end of the day, they just want to share photos of it on facebook and then settle into their recliners to watch netflix or porn.

[Anonymous No.19230884]

>>19230847
don't worry. history is over. we reached escape velocity from history. life in Roma is now far too comfortable and placating for anyone to ever be able to change anything. all the disobediant theatrics that go on, whether Optimate or Populate, are just another hobby that the Seante has provided the masses. at the end of the day, they just want to share stories of it on the Forum and then settle into their recliners to watch gladiatorial fights or Oriental dancers.

[Anonymous No.19230972]

>>19230884
don't worry. history is over. we reached escape velocity from history. life in Versailles is now far too comfortable and placating for anyone to ever be able to change anything. all the revolutionary discourse that go on, whether Feuillantist or Brissotinist, are just another hobby that the Ancien Regime has provided the masses. at the end of the day, they just want to dispute it with wine in the National Assembly and then settle into their recliners to watch opera or gypsy shows.

[Anonymous No.19230979]

>>19230972
don't worry. history is over. we reached escape velocity from history. life in Moscow is now far too comfortable and placating for anyone to ever be able to change anything. all the reactionary bedlams that go on, whether democratic or nationalist, are just another hobby that the Party has provided the masses. at the end of the day, they just want to share gossip of in with their neighbors in a bar and then settle into their recliners to watch ballet or kino.

[Anonymous No.19230981]

>>19230884
cute, but an analogy that works only in form, not substance

tell you what, I'll check back in on this thread in a few decades. if the republic still stands, you owe me a coke.

[Anonymous No.19230984]

>>19224145
We're not living in the late empire, we're living in the mid-late republic. The system hasn't totally collapsed that politicians are being assassinated in the streets and civil war is the norm, but we're certainly moving dangerously in that direction.

[Anonymous No.19230990]

>>19230981
The substance is that most of the mankind is still overwhelmingly poor and displeased with their circumstances, including huge swaths of population even in the developed countries themselves. The analogy is strong is that you're presenting complacency of the elites and the fattest parts of the middle class as complacency of the entire society. That was bullshit then and it is bullshit now.

[Anonymous No.19230998]

>>19224145
>>19230984
I straight up don't understand why anons feel the need that the history of the US must exactly follow that of Rome. How fucking come? Nothing ever followed the history of Rome. Is it Spengler? Because Spengler was very specific in how America is extremely different even in his purely idealist framework.

Is it just simping?

[Anonymous No.19231059]

>we're all living in a ticking time bomb
Nah, nothing will ever happen, in fact nothing bad ever happens in the first world, the social framework that hold us all together is very strong and not ripe for disintegration. Everything is fine. Take the jab and trust the heckin science. Thank you Fauci!

[Anonymous No.19231083]

>>19230990
the average american, british, australian, german, etc is not overwhelmingly poor. the substance of the analogy is ridiculously off the mark, comparing populations facing dire material circumstances to overfed, over entertained modern men.
no doubt many are displeased with their circumstances, but this is a spiritual malaise stemming from a crisis of meaning, and is not due to physical poverty.

if you are suggesting that hordes of central americans or africans are going to sack the US capitol, that is even less likely.

[Anonymous No.19231116]

>>19222498
There is nothing that could happen to us that can't be fixed in ~2 years max if it really came down to it. Western society might stagnate or go downhill, but it is unironically too big to fail let alone to completely break down and die out. Life as now will always be better than it was 100 years ago.

[Anonymous No.19231134]

>>19231083
>the average american, british, australian, german, etc is not overwhelmingly poor
*average MIDDLE CLASS american, british, australian, german, etc is not overwhelmingly poor, and he's the one experiencing a crisis of meaning. Just an average one is quite fucking poor, and he doesn't experience a crisis of meaning - he's experiencing a crisis of paying rent.

>if you are suggesting that hordes of central americans or africans are going to sack the US capitol, that is even less likely.
But, muh replacement theory!

[Anonymous No.19231159]

>>19231134
>*average MIDDLE CLASS
median household income in the us is nearly 70k. certainly there is poverty in the developed world. about 10% of the population I think. But even of that, the majority are not homeless or starving. you are vastly underestimating standards of living in the developed world. fags like pinker are right about this aspect.

[Anonymous No.19231181]

>>19231159
>median household income in the us is nearly 70k
Contrast that with their debt and costs of living.
*note - I'm not a wageslave burdened with debts, but I just recognize the issue.

>about 10% of the population I think.
5% to 25%, depending on the country, and on how we count. And it's the worst in the US across the entire Occident.

>But even of that, the majority are not homeless or starving
Nobody was homeless or starving in the 1991 USSR either.

[Anonymous No.19231205]

>>19231181
i'm not sure what you're trying to convince me of - that poverty exists and is a problem, or that the poverty in the developed world is currently so high that these societies are soon to collapse. if it is the former, i'm already on board. if it is the latter, there is no data to support that level of pessimism.

[Anonymous No.19231220]

>>19231205
>that poverty exists and is a problem
Yes.

>or that the poverty in the developed world is currently so high that these societies are soon to collapse
It's not "so high that these societies are soon to collapse", but it's high enough to make issues which could be ignored by the ruling class in a society of outright abject poverty are much more prominent and impossible to ignore - trying to do that can only cause more issues to spring up, and will inevitably lead to a political collapse sooner or later. Be it drastic reforms, revolutions, something major in the economy to prop up the growth, or actual collapse (which is the least likely option, yes) - the establishment definitely can't maintain the exact status quo for very long. The history does not stop just because you're giving bread to some proles.

[Anonymous No.19231224]

The climate change debate is so pozzed by special interests.
I’m convinced they just peddle it to get people to accept austerity measures and to fuck over developing countries but I noticed batteries are getting more expensive.
I looked up “is the earth running out of lithium” on DuckDuckGo and got nothing except doomer articles about lithium sources drying up but you simply can’t trust search engines because the algorithm floats to the top whoever pays more for it.
Fuck this shit is so fucked, the internet was supposed to be an educational tool, not a vehicle for misinformation!

[Anonymous No.19231231]

>>19231224
>Fuck this shit is so fucked, the internet was supposed to be an educational tool, not a vehicle for misinformation!
That's like saying "gun was supposed to be a measure for security, not a murder weapon".

[Anonymous No.19231243]

>>19231220
>the establishment definitely can't maintain the exact status quo for very long. The history does not stop just because you're giving bread to some proles.
well this seems to be the point of contention then. you don't think the status quo can be maintained, and eventually the bread will run out and issues won't be addressed, leading to some form of collapse. I think that the current system has been refined enough that the bread will never run out.

I could be wrong, of course. There could be black swans out there, like a solar storm, that would completely upset the order. but like the other anon said, I think we are actually too big to fail.

and to clarify, not that i think everything is great and I love this society or something. as I said, I think we suffer from spiritual malaise that no improvement in material conditions and personal liberty can ever address.

[Anonymous No.19231257]

>>19231243
>I think that the current system has been refined enough that the bread will never run out.
Literally what makes you think so? That it managed to not collapse without major changes for about 50 years?

> I think we are actually too big to fail
I would like you to describe what exactly do you mean by "too big to fail".

>I think we suffer from spiritual malaise that no improvement in material conditions and personal liberty can ever address.
Maybe we are, but issues of wealth, power and security will still come to the forefront.

[Anonymous No.19231294]

>>19231257
recent stress tests make me think so. we have come out the other side of financial crisis, covid, and trump, thus far not much worse for wear. yeah effects linger, trump may cross the rubicon in 24 (this isn't a pro or anti trump point, just a reasonable deduction based on his own words), there could be an even deadlier strain of covid, etc, etc Maybe it all adds up and things start to fall apart. I don't know, I just don't see that happening in my lifetime.

why don't you give me a realistic scenario you have in mind, possible in the next decade or two, where we come out the other side a drastically different society? I'm open to the possibility, I would just bet against it.

[Anonymous No.19231299]

>>19229371
>liberal cultures have been below replacement births for 50 years
Why do retards make shit up like this again? You literally bullshit statistics, and fearmonger, and think people are stupid enough to believe you.

[Anonymous No.19231329]

>>19229398
There is no doing your part, besides living without a power grid and all it's bestowed amenities, or dying, which removed all your consumption that is killing the environment. Otherwise, feedback loops such as melting permafrost and ocean acidification are in effect and will continue to wreak climate change without further man-made contributions.

[Anonymous No.19231333]

>>19229397
Or he'll reject the data because it's either (1) false or (2) truth but counter to his worldview. Just like you do!

[Anonymous No.19231385]

>>19226441
>If it wasn't for that one industry massively boosting up the mean average
Those are raw measures, on top of it, so there's no measure of population center even going on. On top of that, the vast majority of the U.S. production value doesn't come from semi-conductors - it's automobiles, dental and other medical, and then construction materials. In fact, all of those industries have grown substantially in the last 30 years. When you look at just who is making what, what you see that is that semi-conductors and electronics manufacturers in the West account for less than 15% of all manufacturing revenue. It's all biomedical, motor vehicle, construction, and aeronautics/defense companies.
On top of all that, semi-conductors are quite simply used everywhere. If you see a massive increase in the last 30 years of semi-conductor value and usage, that necessarily means you're seeing a massive increase in basically every other industry on Earth, at the same time (exactly what the data show).

Western manufacturing has increased over the last 50 years. It's literally never stopped increasing. The West still produces the largest amount of everything except cheap electronics and steel in the entire world. If you want to be a nay-sayer, then you might have better luck pointing out how Western nations are no longer the number-one producers of metals, and how that has been almost entirely ceded to China by 2020, who makes roughly 50% of all the world's metals. They don't make very good metal, but they do make most of it and they make the cheapest kinds of it.

[Anonymous No.19231409]

>>19224388
No one forgot about photosynthesis, but people with an education in the sciences more advanced than middle school know what the laws of thermodynamics are, that they cannot be violated, and so CO2 released to the atmosphere will take - at a minimum - as much heat energy to recapture as it did to release it in the first place.
And then you might take a high school biology class, where you learn that not only do plants convert CO2 into oxygen during photosynthesis, they also release CO2 as a by-product of respiration, meaning they aren't the convenient atmosphere scrubbers you've been lied into believing they are.

[Anonymous No.19231428]

>>19225842
>arsonist starts a house fire
>fire department shows up and puts it out before it can burn the house down
>the public call for someone to come stop the arsonist before all the houses are burnt down
>some absolute moron says, "but no houses are burnt down"
>the police show the moron literal video evidence of an arsonist starting a house fire
>the moron, being stubborn and not wanting to admit he is wrong, says "but no houses burned down, now did they?"
>police and the common public ignore the dork, go on a manhunt for the arsonist
>the moron shakes his head and says, "you're all just over-reacting, they've been saying there's an arsonist burning people's houses down for decades, but no one can ever show me a burnt down house!"
>arsonist starts a house fire...

[Anonymous No.19231454]

>>19231385
i'm not the anon you're replying to, but you seem to know what you're talking about, so i'll ask you this- why is manufacturing even relevant in these discussions about societal decline and collapse? I buy vegetables at the supermarket, but could still grow them in my backyard if needed. Is the implication that suddenly China might withhold metal and we could never get our own industry reestablished? I just don't see that.

[Anonymous No.19231465]

>>19231428
super bad analogy sad you wrote all that shit, wrong too since climate change is still bs

[Anonymous No.19231663]

>>19231465
But peak oil, soil erosion, groundwater depletion, ocean acidification, and the sixth extinction are still very real.

[Anonymous No.19231682]

>>19231454
We don't have any cheap metals left to mine. Copper mining in the US and Europe peaked in the 1920s and only picked up with the help global operations fueled by cheap oil reserves, which have now all peaked and are now more expensive to extract every year.

[Anonymous No.19231709]

>>19225952
This

[Anonymous No.19231779]

>>19231663
Yeah whatever, been hearing the world was ending since the 60s.

[Anonymous No.19231822]

>>19231682
well i am from northern mn and there seems to have been a lot of interest in new copper-nickel mines in recent years. presumably the proponents think it is commercially viable.

[Anonymous No.19231863]

>>19231682
>>19231822
I think in the end asteroid mining will be the solution to metal scarcity issues. That’s assuming we don’t get wiped out by global warming though.

[Anonymous No.19231864]

>>19231779
The world has been ending since the 60s.

[Anonymous No.19232193]

>>19228186
Please link me, dawg. That is too funny.

[Anonymous No.19232199]

>>19231329
As long as you acknowledge we're boned with no hope. That's all I ask.

[Anonymous No.19232407]

>>19230979
It really stopped being comfy. Wasn't worth it to stand 3 hours in line for mayonnaise

[Anonymous No.19232440]

>>19225942
Every single case of "freedom to" and "freedom from" can be equivalently converted and rephrased as the other. This distinction is a cope within liberalism itself

[Anonymous No.19232601]

>>19224217
>3 word quote out of context that hurts my feewings
>"now I don't have to read him"
yup. youre a /lit/fag. welcome home

[Anonymous No.19232701]

>>19228806
> birthrate continues to plummet below replacement everywhere liberalism takes hold
epic win bro!

[Anonymous No.19232780]

>>19222498
I have no fear whatsoever about society suddenly collapsing it's a long gradual process over years if there was a major change in lifestyle or an armed conflict I'm being completely honest we wouldn't survive through hardships kek

[Anonymous No.19232798]

>>19222498

Populist cope

[Anonymous No.19232903]

Wow, people in this thread really are desperate to believe that Francis Fukuyama was correct huh? Like you're not alarmed by how Liberalism is blatantly betraying its own values to just maintain stability in the globalized world? You're not alarmed that we're in the worst recession of the past 100 years right now? And you don't care that no alternatives have emerged to a dying system since 1991?

[Anonymous No.19232916]

Daily reminder that there is zero proof that CO2 causes temperature to rise.

>falling for globohomo propaganda in 2021
NGMI

[Anonymous No.19233250]

>>19232903
>And you don't care that no alternatives have emerged to a dying system since 1991?
why would we care. we've already come to the grim acceptance of that reality. it's you who appears desperate, constantly saying "any day now, it will all collapse, just wait!"

the future will be pretty much the same as the present. just faster, browner, and gayer.

[Anonymous No.19233276]

>>19232903
What do you think the betrayal of its own values is if not an alternative? It's a dying system because it's adapting?

[Anonymous No.19233289]

>>19232903
No.

[Anonymous No.19233340]

>>19233276
>I know this Caesar guy just took power unconstitutionally and we’ve embarked on imperial conquest but we’re still a republic ok?
>why are we still a republic despite the obvious signs that we aren’t? We just are ok!

[Anonymous No.19233405]

>>19233340
Wait was there a civil war?

[Anonymous No.19233448]

>>19233405
I will answer you politely because I have had two Labatts. No, there wasn't a civil war at the tail end of the Roman Republic. There were three major ones (to whit, I am a armchair expert myself).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulla%27s_civil_war

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesar's_Civil_War

And then a couple sorta distinct conflicts, first between Caesar's allies and the forces of the Senators who killed him, then the wars between Octavian and Antony. There's also the Catiline Conspiracy.

[Anonymous No.19233460]

>>19233340
wait are you still just seething from the us election results lol? that's why liberalism is dying? and what was the imperial conquest biden has embarked on? pulling out of afghanistan?

[Anonymous No.19233487]

>>19232193
so here's the flooding in manhattan. on the west side it almost exactly follows greenwich street which is the actual natural shoreline. the t-shaped incursion in the west and the flooding on the east side are areas that were marshland in the colonial era

[Anonymous No.19233513]

>>19233250
I’m not saying the world is gonna explode. The point of this book is that the original promise of liberalism, which ultimately comes down to individual liberation, is dead. The reasons why it died come from Liberalism’s own contradictions. It doesn’t mean we’re gonna head into WW3, it just means we’re going to age into the most soulless and coercive society that ever existed while the people in power still claim we’re marching towards freedom. We have economic turmoil, downward mobility across the board, incompetent governance, cultural collapse, mass depression and political homogenization, yet we’re told this is OK as long as we have more microgenders and rainbow flags. That’s the problem.

[Anonymous No.19233516]

>>19233487
this graphic should give you a good idea of how the shoreline changed. remember that this caused $19 billion in damage and could have easily been avoided by not building buildings on infill and drained marshes. in fact, had the wetlands still been intact they would have offered substantial protection from of the storm surge

[Anonymous No.19233539]

>>19231299
It's true though retard
Only patriarchal societies have positive birth rates

[Anonymous No.19233540]

>>19233448
i'd also include the servile wars in that last

[Anonymous No.19233542]

>>19230998
Because the US is hitting all the leading indicators of a similar collapse. Cultural decline, factionalism, hedonism, unfettered immigration/population annexing, and soon to be economic austerity

[Anonymous No.19233550]

>>19231779
soil erosion is real. the only way to grow food on an industrial scale anymore is with constant fertilizer inputs which are made from (you guessed it!) petrochemicals

[Anonymous No.19233578]

>>19233513
i read the book when it came out. it's a good book, and i don't necessarily disagree with any of it. i'm just saying, we will muddle through and 30 years from now society will be pretty much the same form it is now. soulless, sure, but the is not going to be any alternative, barring some game changing event.

[Anonymous No.19233579]

>>19230984
agreed. both the gracchus brothers were murdered by their fellow senators for having the temerity to attempt land reform

[Anonymous No.19233590]

>>19222644
That is an excellent qrd.

[Anonymous No.19233764]

>>19233340
this kills the libcuck (figuratively and literally at some point)

[Anonymous No.19233872]

>>19222644
>constantly destroys our main functions of life (family, fertility, religion, culture, gender)

into the trash

[Anonymous No.19233921]

>>19222644
Isnt this exactly what Nick Land said about atomization and capital, except that it was a good thing?

[Anonymous No.19234128]

>>19233872
I don’t get it, do you not believe that’s happening right now? How?

>>19233921
Basically yea, and this is borrowed from Marx who predicted how much liberal capitalism would erode society

[Anonymous No.19234159]

>>19222644
>there is state control over family, fertility, religion, culture, gender in liberal societies

[Anonymous No.19234167]

>>19234159
there is incredibly heavy propaganda on those topics, which is basically the same thing

[Anonymous No.19234250]

>>19228129
>>19228134
This. Modem Leftism is a suicide death cult of degeneracy, humiliation and suffering. It’s more horrifying and destructive than nuclear weapons

[Anonymous No.19234271]

>>19228806
Your population is so spiritually destroyed they can’t even form basic family structures so you need an endless supply of immigrants to prop up your growth economics Ponzi scheme. Nice “win”

[Anonymous No.19234306]

>>19233590
I agree

[Anonymous No.19234310]

>>19222644
This is an excellent post

[Anonymous No.19234480]

>>19229403
>is your expectation that a small liberal caste will rule over a global empire of illiberal workers?
This is 100,000% the "secret" expectation of western cosmopolitan "progressives"
>would that be sustainable? would be it just? would it even really be liberal?
*screeches redditisms until you stop talking*

[Anonymous No.19234502]

at least now you can on some level appreciate how negative this world is and how you need to preserve your innocence in the least

I don't think it's liberalism personally but it is people and psychological and it's the collective shadow which basically can encompass everything if you're open minded enough and foolish

[Anonymous No.19234507]

>>19234250
Reminder This is the future they want for our children if you support trans rights or gay rights this is what you are supporting.

[Anonymous No.19234520]

>>19234507
It's boils down to two opposing camps either defending or attempting to destroy metaphysical purity, as this transvestite has kindly said explicitly. This is also the reason for the explosion of popularity in anime; it's a pure version of the world without raunchy sex, nihilistic irony, or black people

[Anonymous No.19234526]

>>19234520
theory i can read which can help me check my privilege and learn more about the awful plight the diverse and vibrant culture of these warm body politically correct victimhood unit NPCs i mean these most noble and progressive these most pityful and wretched of creatures?

Any lgbt/ gayqueer theory/ transgender/ cultural marxism books you would recommend to a straight white male who is trying to overcome his deepseated heteronormative prejudices, prejudices which cant help but flare up at the beautiful and heartwarming display of diversity and progress in pic related

[Anonymous No.19234541]

>>19234167
>basically

cuck word

[Anonymous No.19234756]

>>19222498
well...
we are, but you should still be reading better books

[Anonymous No.19234852]

>>19234159
...yes? The fuck is this even supposed to prove? That liberal states don’t indoctrinate people or spread propaganda at every level?

[Anonymous No.19234951]

>>19234852
Then in contradicts the later statement;
>and constantly destroys our main functions of life (family, fertility, religion, culture, gender) in its pursuit of universal emancipation.

Woops! The only thing 'foundationally broken' is that dumb fucking post.

[Anonymous No.19234962]

>>19222498
Let me guess, the author is vouching for communism as a replacement and states "capitalism has failed" every other paragraph?

[Anonymous No.19234970]

>>19234951
you didn't understand a single word of it or how liberalism contradicts itself since its a shitty system clearly, stop embarrassing yourself

[Anonymous No.19235053]

>>19225623
The world is already in worldwide chaos, unrest, and war even before it hits

[Anonymous No.19235065]

>>19234962
Not at all, although he does advocate for smaller, more tightly knit rural communities making a return IIRC.

[Anonymous No.19235606]

>>19222498
this nigger read one book and felt anxious , try being a refugee in hostile land that's some ticking time bomb shit
try waking up and wondering what bullshit you gonna have to pay the price of today because of other people mistake
nigga touch grass

[Anonymous No.19235664]

>>19235065
Voluntary [rural] localism seems to be a solution that a lot of older conservatives gravitate towards

[Anonymous No.19235690]

>>19234970
It's a shitty explanation buddy.

[Anonymous No.19235701]

>>19224137
Tons of people will die, but the world will not collapse. Most of these people will be poor as well, and the costs to prevent it are too high for the general public to accept it.
The world will keep moving forward, stop going insane.

[Anonymous No.19235713]

>>19222644
I don't get it. The state control over our lives are being enhanced because it is trying to keep the "structures of life" such as family, fertility, religion, culture, and gender in tact?

[Anonymous No.19235802]

>>19222624
>The Spirit of the Laws by Montesquieu and A Nation Of Wealth by Adam Smith and synthesizing them together to get a full picture.
Is this really all i need to read to know about economics? I always thought you need to be an economic major or something. Also ehat are the prerequisites before reading them assuming im a complete novice.

[Anonymous No.19235858]

>>19235664
what i really don't understand is why the atomized and alienated individuals that decry liberalism so much don't just take it upon themselves to shape the kind of social lives they want to inhabit, as you are suggesting. it doesn't isolate you completely from the gays if you are a fragile little bitch. But you can still make the connections in the "structures of life" such as family, religion, culture, etc. I live in a mostly rural area. Have a wife and kid. Can attend the church down the road if I choose. See my friends at the local brewery, etc, etc,

this bowling alone hand wringing seems a two way street to me. sure, liberalism has pushed people in that direction, and the connections are no longer handed to you with zero effort like they used to be. but no one is stopping you from remaking those connections and tying yourself down, i suspect too many people are just morose little bitches unable or unwilling to shape their lives in the way they prefer, so they have to find something to blame, and liberalism did play a role in it, so they can become victims just like everyone else. "waaaaahhhhhh, where is my easy trad wife that grew up next door with the freshest pussy in the land, why do i have to see people of different cultures, why can't i inherit my father's farm, my church says gays won't go to hell now, waaaaahhhhhhhh!"

[Anonymous No.19236357]

>>19235858
>but no one is stopping you from remaking those connections and tying yourself down
That's the point, anon. Instead of explicitly banning those things, liberalism insidiously dissolves the environment which enables their easy occurrence; such that fewer people can have them and the ones who do justify liberalism by criticizing the failures for not bootstrapping instead of noticing.

[Anonymous No.19236701]

>>19236357
yeah, i fully admitted liberalism makes them less automatic, and more difficult for people to build those connections if they want to. but you're simply wrong to say that "fewer people can have them." connections are not a finite resource. Is your church at capacity and turning you away? Are you so undesirable that it is impossible to find a woman that shares your values and wants to start a family? Are public forests preventing you from entering to reconnect with nature?

I am not "justifying" liberalism. I am accepting that there is no alternative, and taking some comfort in the fact that I can still seek out the life I value, while others can do the same, however retarded those values are.

[Anonymous No.19237150]

>>19235713
He is saying that the forces of liberalism and capitalism destroy all those features of life but they’re necessary to maintain a functional society, so liberalism has to increase state power to deal with the consequences. For example, demographic collapse in liberal countries leads to the state requiring massive immigration to keep the labor supply afloat which ends up ruining the national hegemony of a country even more. None of the liberal founding fathers could’ve imagined America would become a 40% non-white country and it would all be justified using liberal values of freedom and equality

[Anonymous No.19237322]

>>19235858
>just make your own economy bro

[Anonymous No.19237331]

>>19235713
as a social structure corrodes the state attempts to replace it, thus causing what's left to erode faster. industrial capitalism shredded the extended family but it was the state trying to deal with the fallout that wrecked the nuclear family too

[Anonymous No.19237341]

>>19234962
it's possible to see that capitalism is a disaster without being a communist, anon

[Anonymous No.19237601]

>>19235858
>I live in a mostly rural area
Good. That's why you can escape Liberalism's grip. Most people live in cities, and can't.

[Anonymous No.19237787]

>>19237601
then move? isn't one of the features of liberalism being able to relocate and not being rooted in one place your entire life?

[Anonymous No.19238070]

>>19237787
Easier said than done. Moreover, not every rural area is like the US, where I assume you live. In other western countries rural areas are as Liberal as the cities.

[Anonymous No.19238195]

>>19224119
Is this meant to be bait?

[Anonymous No.19238223]

>>19222644
An excellent qrd. Globohomo eternally BTFO
Maybe there is hope for this website after all...

[Anonymous No.19238278]

>>19233872
YWNBAW

[Anonymous No.19238294]

>>19224137
>climate change
Glad to know you're a globohomo so I can ignore everything else you have to say

[Anonymous No.19238308]

>>19224137
How's life down there in Plato's cave? The food good? Treat you well?

[Anonymous No.19238341]

>>19225623
Because it's not real.

[Anonymous No.19238378]

>>19231224
neatly indexed accurate information is a threat to powah

[Anonymous No.19238390]

>>19232903
Dude, it's almost like rulers lie to maintain power or something and that all these philosophies are just a smokescreen for elite ambition.
>muh recession
Oh no line go down, lmao
>And you don't care that no alternatives have emerged to a dying system since 1991?
There are infinitely many flavors of rule waiting to step up, but the monolithic leviathan in power still has life in it and we are all waiting for it to bleed out.

[Anonymous No.19238420]

>>19238390
>Oh no line go down, lmao
Child, you have no idea how bad it's about to get

[Anonymous No.19238496]

>>19238420
Everybody talks the talk about wanting the system to come down but when the BASED Federal Reserve walks the walk and starts hyper-devaluing M1 suddenly everyone is like oh no.... heavens no...

[Anonymous No.19238530]

>>19238496
Fed is gonna turn is into next venezuela/zimbabwe

[Anonymous No.19238541]

>>19238530
Good

[Anonymous No.19238587]

>>19222644
>implying liberalism, democracy, neo-liberalism and every -ism aren't just promises of autonomy and material plenty that turn out to be covers for polite slavery that poisons the world and isolates individuals so they can't organize and co-operate.

[Anonymous No.19238600]

>>19235802
Ha! Hell no. Those are works picked up by the economic pirates that took over the enclosure of the commons and they put them in front of you until it's all you can see.

Alan Greenspan is on record saying the whole 'supply and demand' thing is a meme and the 'invisible hand' is invisible because it doesn't exist. And he came into Ayn Rand's juicy pussy back in the day.

[Anonymous No.19238602]

>>19223995
Even if that were true, it takes white men to allow them in or to listen to them and apply their thought. The blame lies with the natives, first of all, and their weakness or greed or naivety and lack of foresight. You also forgot to mention women, who are certainly a driving force for the degeneration of the West, and in a much more palpable way than blacks or the eternal jew, but again, it initially takes a man to allow the women to speak out of turn.

[Anonymous No.19238604]

>>19238496
The fuck do you mean?
I can't wait.

[Anonymous No.19238605]

>>19237150
>it would all be justified using liberal values of freedom and equalit
Lol, he fell for that freedom and equality shit while we worshipped money and forced him to do so as well!

[Anonymous No.19238627]

>>19238496
Directionless simpletons have always wanted to start from a blank slate, it's the reactionary fantasy that always plays out the same, a generation of chaos so bad that people build concentrations of power so acute that they also concentrate cultural interaction that leads to the very 'liberal degeneracy' they pretend to despise. It could be argued the cycle spins on the ground purely because of the corrosive power of resentful losers kicking the back of the seat as we try to get this society to the stars.

So yeah, let's do more donuts and wheelies on the bridge between Feudalism and whatever comes next called Capitalism and waste another thousand years.

[Anonymous No.19238629]

>>19238604
It’s not gonna be comfy.
Prepare for prices of basic products to skyrocket and rioting and looting on the streets to be a daily occurrence.

[Anonymous No.19238640]

>>19238629
There'll be no exciting spasm, no mediated corny moment of spectacle. Everyone in this thread will get older and one day you'll say to someone "You know, when I was a kid the USA never even had mass executions, let alone public ones." and you'll realize how gradual the slide into irrelevant barbarism really is.

[Anonymous No.19238653]

>>19238627
I fail to see how the Great Satan becoming financially insolvent and an economic basket case is anything but a good thing for the world as a whole.

[Anonymous No.19238658]

>>19238627
Also, you're not going to the stars. Ever. Lol.

[Anonymous No.19238671]

>>19238629
Wow, rioting and looting on the streets? That sounds bad. I can't even imagine it!

[Anonymous No.19238675]

>>19238640
>support the current regime or we'll execute you in some fantastical future scenario
Hmm, gonna go ahead and give you a "no" on this one.

[Anonymous No.19238687]

>>19238653
Whoever is the richest and strongest always gets called the Great Satan, the name Lucifer was the name of a Babylonian king the author of Ecclesiastes had a problem with.
The Great Depression was the economic signal that the USA had finished its turn. Wealth and power move west, all through history, nobody knows why. It was in India before records were written down, it moved to the Middle East, Egypt, Greece, Rome, floated around Europe in the age of empires as they competed and the British Empire won, after Victoria died the USA stepped up and every turn got quicker. Japan was experiencing a boom and population growth through the roof, it was their turn then and everyone knew it so clearly that the US started cutting off their oil to slow their industrial rise.
Pearl Harbor was caused directly by this, Japan was pushed into a war they knew they couldn't win. Australia moving into Timor as the Dutch left didn't help. Japan got smashed by nukes and since then only skirmishes and spot fires of war have been allowed, that or generational weapons tests on friendless assholes.

This system cannot last and was meant to be dead at the end of the 19th century. I don't know what the name for the next thing will be, but the US indoctrination against socialism is so strong I think the public will keep working as Amazon niggers until the environment collapses. It's not any -ism I'm afraid of, it's the great turmoil of change that makes life suck balls.

[Anonymous No.19238696]

>>19238671
The merest farting in bed before diarrhea really kicks in. Just because corporate-owned media put those pictures at you all day doesn't mean it's happening all day.
They show you that not to inform you, but to activate your emotions so you'll respond to the next ad you see. Smashing property doesn't change a thing and the cops can roll around in unmarked cars zapping you with rubber bullets.

toothpaste toothpaste lets all buy some toothpaste

[Anonymous No.19238698]

>>19238696
Dude just shut the fuck up, you're so embarrassing.

[Anonymous No.19238700]

>>19238675
>Really dumb strawman
The USA is sliding into irrelevant barbarism and it'll never suddenly collapse into anything but a shoddier and shoddier version of the corporate warehouse and processing mall it is now.

[Anonymous No.19238701]

>>19238687
Cute theory. I'm just wondering why ol' Ireland didn't get a piece of that sum bitch after Britain got her head kicked in. Where's Ireland's piece of the pie? Where the fuck is it?

[Anonymous No.19238708]

>>19238700
And that's objectively good. A British MP got stabbed to death by a Somali in a church yesterday. I am ready for the future.

[Anonymous No.19238711]

>>19238698
Dipshits who want society to collapse are so cool, though...

haven't you got a product or service you need to purchase?
>inb4 gay ted Kaczynski faggotry about how this dickhead lives entirely alone and independent of all things, like every other infantile omnipotent cunt

[Anonymous No.19238721]

>>19238708
>post yfw you realize 9/11 could happen every day for three years straight and it wouldn't kill 1% of the US population or effect corporate profits in anything but a good way.

[Anonymous No.19238722]

>>19238711
Civilisation entropy is the only force of real liberation left.

[Anonymous No.19238725]

>>19238721

[Anonymous No.19238726]

>>19238629
We're already there my guy

[Anonymous No.19238731]

>>19238627
Reading this pseudo-intellectual drivel made me lose gray matter

[Anonymous No.19238732]

>>19228806
If I recall correctly (and it's been a few years since I read it) the book is talking about liberalism in a broad sense. Education, democracy, meritocracy etc. all seem to be failing in linked ways, though "failing" here doesn't nec. mean they aren't popular/ascendant.

[Anonymous No.19238733]

>>19238722
>things people say at the end of every regime
>because they've run out of ideas
Maybe this whole 'liberation' thing was a meme and you're about as owned as any slave, you just get to travel around, feed and clothe yourself, buy toys. You've got the run of the plantation, boy! I just KNOW you won't leave.

[Anonymous No.19238742]

>>19238721
To be fair 9/11 was strategically retarded. I don't know what on Earth Osama was thinking targeting a bunch of insurance groups and law firms. Imagine if he targeted some actual real irreplaceable infrastructure? Like that aqueduct from Baltimore that feeds like 40% of New York. Or the Hoover Dam.

[Anonymous No.19238745]

>>19238731
>Everything not the programming i received without examining must be derided.
>now I feel safe
If I cited the books it's from you still wouldn't be informed or persuaded of anything. There'd be some problem with those books, or with history, or with economics, everything you disagree with is a massive conspiracy of lies and your certainty is hermetically sealed.

Enjoy these threads, they'll end up being all you can do.

[Anonymous No.19238751]

>>19238745
Logo, just stop posting. You're so cringe.

[Anonymous No.19238753]

>>19238742
It sure allowed a 20 year war to flush trillions out of the economy and into private bank accounts, so it was actually strategically awesome.

[Anonymous No.19238757]

>>19238721
Knowing how corporations work nowadays, it's not outside of the realm of possibilities that they try this shit

[Anonymous No.19238823]

>>19238629
>Prepare for prices of basic products to skyrocket and rioting and looting on the streets to be a daily occurrence

Remember fight for 15? Oh look, 15 is the new 7 how could that have occurred? You are still demanding a job? Sorry but most retail has gone out of business and we have automated the rest. Want to riot? Trump is no longer around and we no longer need angry idiots. Here smoke some weed, and remember to vote, also step out of line and we will crush you.

[Anonymous No.19238838]

>>19238823
>get into local politics yourself
>it's a game so neglected that just by entering you can split the vote, forcing the incumbent to consider you
>draw the attention of the real players
>make them listen
That Michael Moore guy was a bit of a dickhead, okay a lot, but that's what he did, with mixed results.

[Anonymous No.19239192]

>>19238745
Wow. The bullshit just keeps coming.

[Anonymous No.19239237]

>>19238745
My certainty is as hermetically-sealed as that of a village bumpkin in the Soviet Union attending church services in a basement and disregarding the news slopping out of the propaganda pipeline.
Your dysfunction is self-evident and you will die seething

[Anonymous No.19239478]

>>19238742

In their mind, they were attacking American Capitalism which they thought represented the soul of the country.

[Anonymous No.19239503]

>>19238742
>>19239478
More specifically, they were attacking the main idol of American capitalism at the time.
Osama wanted to get the Americans involved in the Middle East to unite Muslims against them, it worked

[Anonymous No.19239514]

>>19222498
You do realise demonstrations are liberalism working as intended yes? You want freedom and community, now mass politics offers both.

[Anonymous No.19239543]

>>19223995
Don't forget women. Unironically, women will keep the wheels of degeneracy oiled up until the very end when the wheels run off unless men step up. At the end of the day, you could argue that men are the ones who failed. Either you step up and put the destroyers in their place or get cucked

[Anonymous No.19239557]

>>19239543
When has retribution ever helped something work as intended?

[Anonymous No.19239653]

>>19239557
Afghanistan?

[Anonymous No.19239663]

>>19239543
>Either you step up and put the destroyers in their place or get cucked
Why would I do anything, and expose myself negatively, when the globohomo is doing more damage to itself then I could ever dream of doing?

[Anonymous No.19239667]

>>19239663
Fair enough. I was more talking about how we got here in the first place

[Anonymous No.19239677]

>>19239667
No that's fair.
Then again, how could anyone have foreseen this hell scape?

[Anonymous No.19239723]

>>19238687
>This system cannot last and was meant to be dead at the end of the 19th century.
This desu, liberalism got an absolutely insane undeserved boost in the form of the United States. The world wars were the stillborn attempts to move past it that liberalism managed to "win" in the same bullshit manner as a video game boss having 3 extra health bars: U S and A

[Anonymous No.19240557]

>>19231863
Space colonization is becoming more of a pipedream with each passing year. Not only is time not on our side, the fact that we keep giving our top positions and investment of resources to diversity hires and those of inferior ability instead to our best and brightest people, leaves us stuck with a government and bureaucracy of incompetence,inefficiency, and lower standards. Forget about mining asteroids and going to Mars, much less exploring outside our solar system. We are destined to be bound to this rock forever.

[Anonymous No.19240742]

>>19240557
> bro lets just fuel the basic metal needs for our society using its most complex product and expression!!!
this was a retarded idea from the outset. nothing is made more resilient through greater complexity

[Anonymous No.19240764]

Liberalism is good, actually.

[Anonymous No.19240781]

>>19222644
>liberalism contradicts liberalism
Wut