The would-to-come caesar in spenglarian terms will most certainly be BAP adjacent and you niggas act like this isn't a big deal

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Anonymous Tue, Oct 12, 2021 20:15:09 No.19217410 [Reply] [Original]

The would-to-come caesar in spenglarian terms will most certainly be BAP adjacent and you niggas act like this isn't a big deal

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 12, 2021 20:17:49 No.19217429 >>19217410 >twitter ecelebs are going to overthrow the government [laughs in Bidenese]

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 12, 2021 20:24:25 No.19217469 The new Caesar will never have heard of BAP or Nietzsche tbqh BAP is fun but there's only so much you can hint at having big plans and not do anything before people stop listening

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 12, 2021 20:26:43 No.19217481 >>19217469 Do you listen to his podcast? He had Moldbug on recently

Anonymous Tue, Oct 12, 2021 20:33:44 No.19217529
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Right now we're in our Sulla period. Trump represented a Gracchi/Marius type figure, sort of both of them rolled into one, including Marius' attempts to overthrow the established order. Biden and the establishment are Sulla and the Senatorial class, ruthlessly trying to stamp out deviations from the established order and trying to get things "back to normal," but in the process destroying a lot of norms and removing a lot of guardrails that held rulers back in the past.

If America truly does parallel Rome, the man who comes after Biden will be the first sign of true Caesarism. Trump was merely a hint of what's to come, and not even all that dramatic a hint. The man who comes after Biden is going to blow Trump and Biden away in terms of the way he wields power.

I suppose we're probably due for some kind of American version of the First Triumvirate, too.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 12, 2021 20:36:58 No.19217548 >>19217410 I dont really understand what baps political philosphy is but it's definitely not Spenglerian. It seems more like fascism to me than anything else

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>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 12, 2021 20:40:05 No.19217574 when will incels self-becomers GTFO of this board

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 12, 2021 20:40:52 No.19217578 >>19217529 based and redpilled

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Anonymous Tue, Oct 12, 2021 20:58:31 No.19217666

>>19217565
Possibly. I think if Tucker wants power he can get it, the question is does he want it. I do think Tucker's a strong Caesar candidate. Maybe not the man who comes after Biden, but Tucker may be the man who comes after the man who comes after Biden. The death knell of the Republic.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 12, 2021 21:00:12 No.19217675 >>19217529 But the man who's gonna come after Biden is Kanye West. He isn't going the a Caesar

Anonymous Tue, Oct 12, 2021 21:00:33 No.19217677

>>19217666
Isn't it rather likely Tucker is a spook or spook-adjacent? I know he says some edgy stuff on his show that makes it seem he might be a loose cannon but I cant really see the regime allowing someone that big to exist if he weren't unde lr their thumb.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 12, 2021 21:02:12 No.19217690 >>19217529 I want to believe this but it seems too wishful to be true. I dunno if we are on the verge of embarking on a new and glorious era like the Romans did after going from Republic to Empire, or if it's 473 AD.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 12, 2021 21:18:52 No.19217773 >>19217666 Nice digits, but I think Tucker is best suited for where he is right now. He isn't hostile enough. We need somebody with the fire of Alex Jones who doesn't come off as a mental patient.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 12, 2021 21:21:08 No.19217790 >>19217675 Are you kidding? Kanye is absolutely a Caesar-type figure. He's got the ego for it.

Anonymous Tue, Oct 12, 2021 21:21:57 No.19217797

>>19217677
>>19217773
Tucker is quite literally controlled opposition. His entire point is to dilute Right wing beliefs and points. He just furthers finklethink.

>>19217690
The White Pilled choice is 473AD. America's Caesar would be the most grotesque synthesis of both sides of the kosher sandwich that you can imagine.

Anonymous Tue, Oct 12, 2021 21:24:40 No.19217809
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>>19217690
The thing is, the drama and the chaos we've increasingly seen feels more like the end of the republic than the end of the empire.

Someone in a debate similar to this one said something important: "The republic went out with a bang, the empire went out with a whimper." At least in the West. The chaos and tumult we have increasingly seen feels more like the former than the latter. Not to mention that America still doesn't feel all that week compared to its peers. Rome, too, seemed on the verge of collapse at the end of its republic, the beginning of its empire. Augustus revitalized it and set the stage for renewal. An American Augustus could reinvigorate Imperial America and set the stage for another century or two of dominance and grandeur. Perhaps even more grandeur than before. Remember, Rome didn't reach the highest heights of its wealth and power until Trajan.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 12, 2021 21:25:04 No.19217813 >>19217790 kanye is a retarded nigger

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 12, 2021 21:25:18 No.19217817 >>19217797 >America's Caesar would be the most grotesque synthesis of both sides of the kosher sandwich that you can imagine. If he/she will save the country, I don't care. >>19217809 I really hope you are right

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 12, 2021 21:26:46 No.19217822 >>19217817 >save the country "Saving the country" involves Jews getting richer and you getting poorer. You don't seriously think that you're a Patrician, do you? The system was built around exploiting you, not benefiting you.

Anonymous Tue, Oct 12, 2021 21:27:19 No.19217825

>>19217809
We are at the end of the kali yuga, the masse depopulation agenda is in effect in the west, by 2030 they will have imported hundreds of millions of 3rd world retards to replace the dead westerners, and we will see cataclysms and book of revelations shit. it won't last though, humanity will be destroyed but for a few survivors to usher in the next golden age, but they might be waiting around underground for a long time.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 12, 2021 21:28:20 No.19217829 >>19217822 you think jews are a patricians? they are merchants at best, if not servants

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 12, 2021 21:28:54 No.19217831 >>19217790 He has a different type of ego. He likes expression, art, celebration. He isn't a conquerer. >>19217813 He's the richest one in American history, you don't do that by being stupid

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 12, 2021 21:30:20 No.19217840 >>19217825 Kali Yuga is Guenon, not Spengler.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 12, 2021 21:30:42 No.19217841 >>19217822 The country =/= the regime

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 12, 2021 21:33:22 No.19217848 >>19217529 two more weeks bros

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 12, 2021 21:34:35 No.19217861 >>19217584 >AHHHHHHHHH iiiitttt burnnnsssss noooooo

>>	Glowniggers cannot and will no(...) Tue, Oct 12, 2021 21:43:09 No.19217899 >>19217481 >>19217529 The absolute state of Americans.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 12, 2021 21:43:15 No.19217900 >>19217797 He named the Great Replacement. How much further right can you go without goosestepping around? He’s probably avoiding the JQ to avoid alienating his boomer evangelical audience

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 12, 2021 21:45:40 No.19217917 >>19217817 >If he/she will save the country, I don't care Define “the country”. I don’t feel like saving our new Haitian neighbors. Maybe I’m shortsighted and going the way of Cato.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 12, 2021 21:49:18 No.19217934 >>19217840 Ya ik, but Guenon is not really Guenon, just ancient wisdom. >>19217831 well he is stupid, even if he has enough intuition to see through the lies (presumably because he's seen all the eyes wide shut freakshow shit behind the scenes)

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 12, 2021 21:49:58 No.19217937 >>19217900 He probably doesnt believe in it. Even most of the far right guys seem in denial about it or afraid to confront it or something.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 12, 2021 21:50:30 No.19217939 >>19217917 The nation is all huwhite people and the non-whites who are huwhite in spirit who can share in the glory and get their own chunk of land.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 12, 2021 21:51:36 No.19217945 >>19217937 the fact remains he has been gently introducing his normalfag boomer audience to the replacement of europeans.

Anonymous Tue, Oct 12, 2021 21:52:23 No.19217949

When shit really hits the fan is when individual officers in the armed forces start getting ambitious. Anyone truly interested in destabilizing the United States would begin trying to destabilize the officer corps in the Army and the Marines. Try to convince the more ambitious ones to start plotting. After all, Caesar was a military man. Centuries later, so was Napoleon.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 12, 2021 21:54:09 No.19217961 >>19217481 Moldbug is the opposite of exciting

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 12, 2021 21:54:19 No.19217964 File: 93 KB, 500x839, iu.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19217900 Tucker already did the JQ on his show, what else do people except? Only glow n'ggers call him a shill

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 12, 2021 21:54:53 No.19217968 >>19217410 This shit is gravely delusional

Anonymous Tue, Oct 12, 2021 21:59:36 No.19217990

>>19217917
>“the country”
The collection of English-speaking peoples of North America who see the American Revolution and the Founding Fathers as the foundation of their national identity.

>>19217949
I have no doubt the US military has a gazillion countermeasures in place to prevent an internal coup from happening.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 12, 2021 22:00:33 No.19217995 >>19217825 >We are at the end of the kali yuga The kali yuga has barely begun kek >>19217840 Yugas are Hindu, they're not thought up by Guenon.

Anonymous Tue, Oct 12, 2021 22:05:54 No.19218018

>>19217990
>a gazillion countermeasures

What if they don't, though? Everybody always assumes this hypercompetance on the part of the US military and the US intelligence community. The "deep state." But what if a lot of them are a bunch of clueless old Boomers, apathetic Gen Xers, and idiotic woke Millennials? What if the people "in charge" of the country, the deep state, isn't nearly as smart as they're made out to be?

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 12, 2021 22:06:07 No.19218019 >>19217990 >I have no doubt the US military has a gazillion countermeasures in place to prevent an internal coup from happening. The coup is already happening. Someone has to counter-coup. Although now is the wrong time. Too early.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 12, 2021 22:08:41 No.19218036 >>19218018 >What if the people "in charge" of the country, the deep state, isn't nearly as smart as they're made out to be? Then China has already won and we are doomed

Anonymous Tue, Oct 12, 2021 22:12:26 No.19218054

It's too early for full caesars, the decline is a long process. Especially people thinking something major will happen after Biden. Technology might have sped up things a bit, but there should be centuries left still. Each crisis brings things closer, but things seem to be relatively "good" still.

Here's one possible timeline: http://avery.morrow.name/blog/2014/10/oswald-spenglers-decline-of-the-west-the-100th-anniversary-update/

And here is another, which assumes things take a lot longer to fall apart: http://www.benespen.com/spenglers-future

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 12, 2021 22:15:59 No.19218074 >>19218036 They have the same problems. History is not always about who is the best, sometimes it's just about who sucks least.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 12, 2021 22:19:19 No.19218087 >>19217995 >The kali yuga has barely begun kek No, it is almost at it's end. It isn't actually hundreds of thousands of years long. Guenon has shown this.

Anonymous Tue, Oct 12, 2021 22:19:45 No.19218088

>>19218074
Call me a chink shill for not pretending China is decadent to please Americans;

They have a good momentum, China as a nation is raising quire fast, they have not yet fully developed a cancerous elite that will block any action because it'll hit one of their privileges, while the US is already too old and rooting.

Take for an example rent, both countries have deep terrible issues with poor people paying too much rent, China is taking many actions to deal with this while the US need to fight an uphill battle with banks, rich individuals and all sort of HOA like organizations to do any minor move.

Anonymous Tue, Oct 12, 2021 22:21:20 No.19218094

>>19218054
The reason everyone's thinking we're further along is Trump. He's a very clear sign of the decline of the republic and the closeness of Caesarism. In a healthier civilization someone like Trump doesn't get into power. Sure, he didn't win the popular vote, but that fact that his rise even happened at all is a sign that caesarism isn't as far away as some people thought five years ago.

Anonymous Tue, Oct 12, 2021 22:24:47 No.19218108

>>19218094
The sign of degeneration is not Ceasarism, but an ever-growing cancerous establishment that does nothing to deal with growing issues harming the nation and its people.

A health US would not have a Trump because the situation would not get degraded by many Obama/Bush types to the point people are willing to accept any savior.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 12, 2021 22:27:12 No.19218123 >>19217481 moldbug history mogged BAP in that episode

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 12, 2021 22:30:21 No.19218140 File: 240 KB, 1080x1055, Screenshot_20211013-132842_Twitter.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] BAP has been btfod. He will not recover from this.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 12, 2021 22:30:33 No.19218141 >>19218094 True, but probably the most caesarian murican president ever was probably FDR. Populism is not a new thing even in American. Trump is a sign, but not necessarily a critical one.

Anonymous Tue, Oct 12, 2021 22:31:20 No.19218143

>>19218054
>2027 A.D.
>Rome, 100 B.C.: The birth of Julius Caesar.
Julius Caesar is already in his teens as we speak. This is what Moldbug told Michael Anton in a recent conversation.

Where articles like this that precede 2016 fall short is the element of Trump. Trump accelerated the timeline beyond anything we could have predicated before 2015. Any article that talks about Caesarism before 2016 without having predicted Trump will fall short in it's timeline by something like 20 years (yes, that's the impact Trump had)

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 12, 2021 22:32:22 No.19218147 >>19218123 BAP refuted Moldbugs Cathedral and worship of the Elites in the last segment of that episode

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 12, 2021 22:33:59 No.19218153 Does BAP have a new twitter account? Where can I find it?

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 12, 2021 22:34:10 No.19218157 >>19218143 >This is what Moldbug told Michael Anton in a recent conversation. So?

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 12, 2021 22:35:11 No.19218162 >>19218143 When you talk like this you jinx all of it.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 12, 2021 22:36:34 No.19218169 >>19218157 Your article fails to account for Trump. The timeline will invariable fall short by at least 10 years.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 12, 2021 22:40:03 No.19218186 >>19218147 Not really. Like Moldbug was saying, they have a different idea of "elite" and BAP was having an emotional response to their moral character, I think Moldbug is right in his disdain for this https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7LESh7bx07E

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 12, 2021 22:41:46 No.19218200 >>19218140 Landshark is based, but he posts no example here, and such posts sound like typical BAP humorous anicdotes, like when he says on his pod the elites are sending poisonous radio waves to him etc. BAP doesn't want to look like Alex Jones

Anonymous Tue, Oct 12, 2021 22:43:17 No.19218207

>>19218169
I didn’t post an article. I just stumbled in here and it’s painful to read this garbage.
> “moldbug mogged BAP”
> “you niggas”
> “Tucker Carlson 4 caesar”
> “No, Kanye 4 caesar”
> “Ackshually it’s the Kali Yuga”
> someone links the blog of the guy who wrote a book about Japanese UFOs (Avery Morrow)
> ctrl + f “Spengler”, 4 results, 2 are hyperlinks, 1 is OP
These will be the chapters of my new book, “The Decline of “/lit/“. Hopefully, I can the very big genius, Moldbug (not at all a literal who) to write the foreword.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 12, 2021 22:43:17 No.19218208 Between election night and January Trump attended that Army Navy game and the whole crowd erupted over him. He was wildly popular. He probably could have stayed in office if he really wanted to.

Anonymous Tue, Oct 12, 2021 22:45:44 No.19218221

>>19218186
The elite of yesterday listened to Bach and read Goethe. Moldbugs "elites" go to naked raves were they twerk to Cardi b. Why are you and Moldbug disregarding the element of Taste and Class? This is what BAP meant by shrimp risotto eating Podesta

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 12, 2021 22:58:42 No.19218273 >>19218208 >He probably could have stayed in office if he really wanted to. Then why didn't he? Don't pretend he didn't want to.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 12, 2021 23:01:32 No.19218290 >>19218273 In the end he was either a coward or overly compassionate for the American people and didn't want to stir up too much trouble.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 12, 2021 23:08:36 No.19218316 >>19218273 He's more powerful as a martyr.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 12, 2021 23:12:02 No.19218331 >>19218140 He's clearly joking in the latter cases if you listen to his podcast.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 12, 2021 23:22:28 No.19218377 >>19218208 He obviously didn't want to go full coup/civil war. Either that or he was ctrl op. But iw ouldnt be surprised if he just got scared when he realized what it would take. Hes an old man after all and he was in business not military.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 12, 2021 23:37:20 No.19218447 >>19218147 Poast premium ep?

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 12, 2021 23:41:06 No.19218470 >>19217481 Yeah it's a fun show, I like it I feel like he didn't understand Moldbugs point at the end though

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 12, 2021 23:41:54 No.19218475 >>19218147 No he just kept repeating that they aren't good people and didn't seem to absorb what Moldbug was saying that they were talking about two totally different groups

>>	Anonymous Wed, Oct 13, 2021 00:05:38 No.19218625 Why are Americans so gay and cringe? Uhh we’re gonna repeat Rome because...we just will ok? Muh trump gracchi. Fuck iff

>>	Anonymous Wed, Oct 13, 2021 00:10:31 No.19218647 >>19218625 Yeah nobody else has ever drawn comparisons between their country and Rome, only America

>>	Anonymous Wed, Oct 13, 2021 00:11:18 No.19218650 I used to think highly of BAP until I followed his social media and saw how much time he spent on it. How can you be inproving fizeek and travelling the world like he says he does while spending 8 hours on Twitter a day?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Oct 13, 2021 00:12:26 No.19218656 >>19217529 lmao

Anonymous Wed, Oct 13, 2021 00:16:25 No.19218675

>>19218650
wait, you unironically don't believe the way he presents himself on his podcast with the fake voice, funny anecdotes and stories about himself are actually real do you?

I'm a big fan but honestly I think he's just a middle aged former academic and the things he says on the podcast are just for entertainment value (which I highly appreciate and think are funny)

>>	Anonymous Wed, Oct 13, 2021 00:22:04 No.19218693 >>19218675 But that’s the problem. The guys talking about the value of combat and vitality and shiet when he’s just a /neverserved/ rogue intellectual raised by university indoctrination. It comes off as a LARP, as much as I hate that word

>>	Anonymous Wed, Oct 13, 2021 00:24:20 No.19218705 >>19217481 >>19218470 I got filtered by "..and.. ummm the ... ahhh ummm" I honestly felt like he was taking the piss and haming it up because hes reknowned for it. When he was on tuckerhe barely did that shit at all.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Oct 13, 2021 00:25:31 No.19218710 >>19218705 I'm guessing the Tucker bit was scripted

>>	Anonymous Wed, Oct 13, 2021 00:51:00 No.19218845 >>19218705 >>19218710 BAP is Tucker Carlson

>>	Anonymous Wed, Oct 13, 2021 01:08:52 No.19218908 BAP is Q for millennial simps.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Oct 13, 2021 01:10:45 No.19218917 >>19218186 Qrd on this guy? Watched the video, it's a decent argument

>>	Anonymous Wed, Oct 13, 2021 01:12:19 No.19218924 >>19218186 What a faggot cuckold, jesus christ

Anonymous Wed, Oct 13, 2021 01:18:02 No.19218952

>>19218917
He's an interesting guy, studied music and philosophy for a long time. He's made a lot of videos concerning science based cosmology, historical power structures and such. He may or may not be a schizo trying to form a pedagogical method to create philosopher kings a la Plato and bought land to create a school

Anonymous Wed, Oct 13, 2021 01:45:50 No.19219036

>>19218088
>both countries have deep terrible issues with poor people paying too much rent
never seen this but I know China for millennials has a 70% rate of home ownership so China have a headstart again in that the issue is isolated to a smaller segment of the population

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