/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.19217410]

The would-to-come caesar in spenglarian terms will most certainly be BAP adjacent and you niggas act like this isn't a big deal

[Anonymous No.19217429]

>>19217410
>twitter ecelebs are going to overthrow the government
[laughs in Bidenese]

[Anonymous No.19217469]

The new Caesar will never have heard of BAP or Nietzsche tbqh

BAP is fun but there's only so much you can hint at having big plans and not do anything before people stop listening

[Anonymous No.19217481]

>>19217469
Do you listen to his podcast? He had Moldbug on recently

[Anonymous No.19217529]

Right now we're in our Sulla period. Trump represented a Gracchi/Marius type figure, sort of both of them rolled into one, including Marius' attempts to overthrow the established order. Biden and the establishment are Sulla and the Senatorial class, ruthlessly trying to stamp out deviations from the established order and trying to get things "back to normal," but in the process destroying a lot of norms and removing a lot of guardrails that held rulers back in the past.

If America truly does parallel Rome, the man who comes after Biden will be the first sign of true Caesarism. Trump was merely a hint of what's to come, and not even all that dramatic a hint. The man who comes after Biden is going to blow Trump and Biden away in terms of the way he wields power.

I suppose we're probably due for some kind of American version of the First Triumvirate, too.

[Anonymous No.19217548]

>>19217410
I dont really understand what baps political philosphy is but it's definitely not Spenglerian. It seems more like fascism to me than anything else

[Anonymous No.19217565]

>>19217529
pic related?

[Anonymous No.19217574]

when will incels self-becomers GTFO of this board

[Anonymous No.19217578]

>>19217529
based and redpilled

[Anonymous No.19217584]

>>19217574

[Anonymous No.19217666]

>>19217565
Possibly. I think if Tucker wants power he can get it, the question is does he want it. I do think Tucker's a strong Caesar candidate. Maybe not the man who comes after Biden, but Tucker may be the man who comes after the man who comes after Biden. The death knell of the Republic.

[Anonymous No.19217675]

>>19217529
But the man who's gonna come after Biden is Kanye West. He isn't going the a Caesar

[Anonymous No.19217677]

>>19217666
Isn't it rather likely Tucker is a spook or spook-adjacent? I know he says some edgy stuff on his show that makes it seem he might be a loose cannon but I cant really see the regime allowing someone that big to exist if he weren't unde lr their thumb.

[Anonymous No.19217690]

>>19217529
I want to believe this but it seems too wishful to be true. I dunno if we are on the verge of embarking on a new and glorious era like the Romans did after going from Republic to Empire, or if it's 473 AD.

[Anonymous No.19217773]

>>19217666
Nice digits, but I think Tucker is best suited for where he is right now. He isn't hostile enough. We need somebody with the fire of Alex Jones who doesn't come off as a mental patient.

[Anonymous No.19217790]

>>19217675
Are you kidding? Kanye is absolutely a Caesar-type figure. He's got the ego for it.

[Anonymous No.19217797]

>>19217677
>>19217773
Tucker is quite literally controlled opposition. His entire point is to dilute Right wing beliefs and points. He just furthers finklethink.

>>19217690
The White Pilled choice is 473AD. America's Caesar would be the most grotesque synthesis of both sides of the kosher sandwich that you can imagine.

[Anonymous No.19217809]

>>19217690
The thing is, the drama and the chaos we've increasingly seen feels more like the end of the republic than the end of the empire.

Someone in a debate similar to this one said something important: "The republic went out with a bang, the empire went out with a whimper." At least in the West. The chaos and tumult we have increasingly seen feels more like the former than the latter. Not to mention that America still doesn't feel all that week compared to its peers. Rome, too, seemed on the verge of collapse at the end of its republic, the beginning of its empire. Augustus revitalized it and set the stage for renewal. An American Augustus could reinvigorate Imperial America and set the stage for another century or two of dominance and grandeur. Perhaps even more grandeur than before. Remember, Rome didn't reach the highest heights of its wealth and power until Trajan.

[Anonymous No.19217813]

>>19217790
kanye is a retarded nigger

[Anonymous No.19217817]

>>19217797
>America's Caesar would be the most grotesque synthesis of both sides of the kosher sandwich that you can imagine.
If he/she will save the country, I don't care.

>>19217809
I really hope you are right

[Anonymous No.19217822]

>>19217817
>save the country
"Saving the country" involves Jews getting richer and you getting poorer. You don't seriously think that you're a Patrician, do you? The system was built around exploiting you, not benefiting you.

[Anonymous No.19217825]

>>19217809
We are at the end of the kali yuga, the masse depopulation agenda is in effect in the west, by 2030 they will have imported hundreds of millions of 3rd world retards to replace the dead westerners, and we will see cataclysms and book of revelations shit. it won't last though, humanity will be destroyed but for a few survivors to usher in the next golden age, but they might be waiting around underground for a long time.

[Anonymous No.19217829]

>>19217822
you think jews are a patricians? they are merchants at best, if not servants

[Anonymous No.19217831]

>>19217790
He has a different type of ego. He likes expression, art, celebration. He isn't a conquerer.
>>19217813
He's the richest one in American history, you don't do that by being stupid

[Anonymous No.19217840]

>>19217825
Kali Yuga is Guenon, not Spengler.

[Anonymous No.19217841]

>>19217822
The country =/= the regime

[Anonymous No.19217848]

>>19217529
two more weeks bros

[Anonymous No.19217861]

>>19217584
>AHHHHHHHHH iiiitttt burnnnsssss noooooo

[Glowniggers cannot and will no(...) No.19217899]

>>19217481
>>19217529
The absolute state of Americans.

[Anonymous No.19217900]

>>19217797
He named the Great Replacement. How much further right can you go without goosestepping around? He’s probably avoiding the JQ to avoid alienating his boomer evangelical audience

[Anonymous No.19217917]

>>19217817
>If he/she will save the country, I don't care
Define “the country”. I don’t feel like saving our new Haitian neighbors. Maybe I’m shortsighted and going the way of Cato.

[Anonymous No.19217934]

>>19217840
Ya ik, but Guenon is not really Guenon, just ancient wisdom.

>>19217831
well he is stupid, even if he has enough intuition to see through the lies (presumably because he's seen all the eyes wide shut freakshow shit behind the scenes)

[Anonymous No.19217937]

>>19217900
He probably doesnt believe in it. Even most of the far right guys seem in denial about it or afraid to confront it or something.

[Anonymous No.19217939]

>>19217917
The nation is all huwhite people and the non-whites who are huwhite in spirit who can share in the glory and get their own chunk of land.

[Anonymous No.19217945]

>>19217937
the fact remains he has been gently introducing his normalfag boomer audience to the replacement of europeans.

[Anonymous No.19217949]

When shit really hits the fan is when individual officers in the armed forces start getting ambitious. Anyone truly interested in destabilizing the United States would begin trying to destabilize the officer corps in the Army and the Marines. Try to convince the more ambitious ones to start plotting. After all, Caesar was a military man. Centuries later, so was Napoleon.

[Anonymous No.19217961]

>>19217481
Moldbug is the opposite of exciting

[Anonymous No.19217964]

>>19217900
Tucker already did the JQ on his show, what else do people except? Only glow n'ggers call him a shill

[Anonymous No.19217968]

>>19217410
This shit is gravely delusional

[Anonymous No.19217990]

>>19217917
>“the country”
The collection of English-speaking peoples of North America who see the American Revolution and the Founding Fathers as the foundation of their national identity.

>>19217949
I have no doubt the US military has a gazillion countermeasures in place to prevent an internal coup from happening.

[Anonymous No.19217995]

>>19217825
>We are at the end of the kali yuga
The kali yuga has barely begun kek
>>19217840
Yugas are Hindu, they're not thought up by Guenon.

[Anonymous No.19218018]

>>19217990
>a gazillion countermeasures

What if they don't, though? Everybody always assumes this hypercompetance on the part of the US military and the US intelligence community. The "deep state." But what if a lot of them are a bunch of clueless old Boomers, apathetic Gen Xers, and idiotic woke Millennials? What if the people "in charge" of the country, the deep state, isn't nearly as smart as they're made out to be?

[Anonymous No.19218019]

>>19217990
>I have no doubt the US military has a gazillion countermeasures in place to prevent an internal coup from happening.
The coup is already happening. Someone has to counter-coup. Although now is the wrong time. Too early.

[Anonymous No.19218036]

>>19218018
>What if the people "in charge" of the country, the deep state, isn't nearly as smart as they're made out to be?
Then China has already won and we are doomed

[Anonymous No.19218054]

It's too early for full caesars, the decline is a long process. Especially people thinking something major will happen after Biden. Technology might have sped up things a bit, but there should be centuries left still. Each crisis brings things closer, but things seem to be relatively "good" still.

Here's one possible timeline: http://avery.morrow.name/blog/2014/10/oswald-spenglers-decline-of-the-west-the-100th-anniversary-update/

And here is another, which assumes things take a lot longer to fall apart: http://www.benespen.com/spenglers-future

[Anonymous No.19218074]

>>19218036
They have the same problems. History is not always about who is the best, sometimes it's just about who sucks least.

[Anonymous No.19218087]

>>19217995
>The kali yuga has barely begun kek
No, it is almost at it's end. It isn't actually hundreds of thousands of years long. Guenon has shown this.

[Anonymous No.19218088]

>>19218074
Call me a chink shill for not pretending China is decadent to please Americans;

They have a good momentum, China as a nation is raising quire fast, they have not yet fully developed a cancerous elite that will block any action because it'll hit one of their privileges, while the US is already too old and rooting.

Take for an example rent, both countries have deep terrible issues with poor people paying too much rent, China is taking many actions to deal with this while the US need to fight an uphill battle with banks, rich individuals and all sort of HOA like organizations to do any minor move.

[Anonymous No.19218094]

>>19218054
The reason everyone's thinking we're further along is Trump. He's a very clear sign of the decline of the republic and the closeness of Caesarism. In a healthier civilization someone like Trump doesn't get into power. Sure, he didn't win the popular vote, but that fact that his rise even happened at all is a sign that caesarism isn't as far away as some people thought five years ago.

[Anonymous No.19218108]

>>19218094
The sign of degeneration is not Ceasarism, but an ever-growing cancerous establishment that does nothing to deal with growing issues harming the nation and its people.

A health US would not have a Trump because the situation would not get degraded by many Obama/Bush types to the point people are willing to accept any savior.

[Anonymous No.19218123]

>>19217481
moldbug history mogged BAP in that episode

[Anonymous No.19218140]

BAP has been btfod. He will not recover from this.

[Anonymous No.19218141]

>>19218094
True, but probably the most caesarian murican president ever was probably FDR. Populism is not a new thing even in American. Trump is a sign, but not necessarily a critical one.

[Anonymous No.19218143]

>>19218054
>2027 A.D.
>Rome, 100 B.C.: The birth of Julius Caesar.
Julius Caesar is already in his teens as we speak. This is what Moldbug told Michael Anton in a recent conversation.

Where articles like this that precede 2016 fall short is the element of Trump. Trump accelerated the timeline beyond anything we could have predicated before 2015. Any article that talks about Caesarism before 2016 without having predicted Trump will fall short in it's timeline by something like 20 years (yes, that's the impact Trump had)

[Anonymous No.19218147]

>>19218123
BAP refuted Moldbugs Cathedral and worship of the Elites in the last segment of that episode

[Anonymous No.19218153]

Does BAP have a new twitter account? Where can I find it?

[Anonymous No.19218157]

>>19218143
>This is what Moldbug told Michael Anton in a recent conversation.
So?

[Anonymous No.19218162]

>>19218143
When you talk like this you jinx all of it.

[Anonymous No.19218169]

>>19218157
Your article fails to account for Trump. The timeline will invariable fall short by at least 10 years.

[Anonymous No.19218186]

>>19218147
Not really. Like Moldbug was saying, they have a different idea of "elite" and BAP was having an emotional response to their moral character, I think Moldbug is right in his disdain for this
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7LESh7bx07E

[Anonymous No.19218200]

>>19218140
Landshark is based, but he posts no example here, and such posts sound like typical BAP humorous anicdotes, like when he says on his pod the elites are sending poisonous radio waves to him etc. BAP doesn't want to look like Alex Jones

[Anonymous No.19218207]

>>19218169
I didn’t post an article. I just stumbled in here and it’s painful to read this garbage.
> “moldbug mogged BAP”
> “you niggas”
> “Tucker Carlson 4 caesar”
> “No, Kanye 4 caesar”
> “Ackshually it’s the Kali Yuga”
> someone links the blog of the guy who wrote a book about Japanese UFOs (Avery Morrow)
> ctrl + f “Spengler”, 4 results, 2 are hyperlinks, 1 is OP
These will be the chapters of my new book, “The Decline of “/lit/“. Hopefully, I can the very big genius, Moldbug (not at all a literal who) to write the foreword.

[Anonymous No.19218208]

Between election night and January Trump attended that Army Navy game and the whole crowd erupted over him. He was wildly popular.
He probably could have stayed in office if he really wanted to.

[Anonymous No.19218221]

>>19218186
The elite of yesterday listened to Bach and read Goethe. Moldbugs "elites" go to naked raves were they twerk to Cardi b. Why are you and Moldbug disregarding the element of Taste and Class? This is what BAP meant by shrimp risotto eating Podesta

[Anonymous No.19218273]

>>19218208
>He probably could have stayed in office if he really wanted to.
Then why didn't he? Don't pretend he didn't want to.

[Anonymous No.19218290]

>>19218273
In the end he was either a coward or overly compassionate for the American people and didn't want to stir up too much trouble.

[Anonymous No.19218316]

>>19218273

He's more powerful as a martyr.

[Anonymous No.19218331]

>>19218140
He's clearly joking in the latter cases if you listen to his podcast.

[Anonymous No.19218377]

>>19218208
He obviously didn't want to go full coup/civil war. Either that or he was ctrl op. But iw ouldnt be surprised if he just got scared when he realized what it would take. Hes an old man after all and he was in business not military.

[Anonymous No.19218447]

>>19218147
Poast premium ep?

[Anonymous No.19218470]

>>19217481
Yeah it's a fun show, I like it

I feel like he didn't understand Moldbugs point at the end though

[Anonymous No.19218475]

>>19218147
No he just kept repeating that they aren't good people and didn't seem to absorb what Moldbug was saying that they were talking about two totally different groups

[Anonymous No.19218625]

Why are Americans so gay and cringe? Uhh we’re gonna repeat Rome because...we just will ok? Muh trump gracchi. Fuck iff

[Anonymous No.19218647]

>>19218625
Yeah nobody else has ever drawn comparisons between their country and Rome, only America

[Anonymous No.19218650]

I used to think highly of BAP until I followed his social media and saw how much time he spent on it. How can you be inproving fizeek and travelling the world like he says he does while spending 8 hours on Twitter a day?

[Anonymous No.19218656]

>>19217529
lmao

[Anonymous No.19218675]

>>19218650
wait, you unironically don't believe the way he presents himself on his podcast with the fake voice, funny anecdotes and stories about himself are actually real do you?

I'm a big fan but honestly I think he's just a middle aged former academic and the things he says on the podcast are just for entertainment value (which I highly appreciate and think are funny)

[Anonymous No.19218693]

>>19218675
But that’s the problem. The guys talking about the value of combat and vitality and shiet when he’s just a /neverserved/ rogue intellectual raised by university indoctrination. It comes off as a LARP, as much as I hate that word

[Anonymous No.19218705]

>>19217481
>>19218470
I got filtered by "..and.. ummm the ... ahhh ummm"
I honestly felt like he was taking the piss and haming it up because hes reknowned for it. When he was on tuckerhe barely did that shit at all.

[Anonymous No.19218710]

>>19218705
I'm guessing the Tucker bit was scripted

[Anonymous No.19218845]

>>19218705
>>19218710
BAP is Tucker Carlson

[Anonymous No.19218908]

BAP is Q for millennial simps.

[Anonymous No.19218917]

>>19218186
Qrd on this guy? Watched the video, it's a decent argument

[Anonymous No.19218924]

>>19218186
What a faggot cuckold, jesus christ

[Anonymous No.19218952]

>>19218917
He's an interesting guy, studied music and philosophy for a long time. He's made a lot of videos concerning science based cosmology, historical power structures and such. He may or may not be a schizo trying to form a pedagogical method to create philosopher kings a la Plato and bought land to create a school

[Anonymous No.19219036]

>>19218088
>both countries have deep terrible issues with poor people paying too much rent
never seen this but I know China for millennials has a 70% rate of home ownership so China have a headstart again in that the issue is isolated to a smaller segment of the population