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Anonymous Sat Oct 9 23:27:03 2021 No.19200962 [Reply] [Original]

>Chapter 15, “Esoteric Fascism Online: 4chan and the Kali Yuga” by Marc Tuters and the Open Intelligence Lab, is one of the most interesting chapters in the book. The Open Intelligence Lab is “an Amsterdam-based collective of interdisciplinary scholars scrutinising online political subcultures” and the chapter uses data produced by a Digital Methods Summer School in Amsterdam, specifically the analysis of 7,000 posts on 4chan/pol/ dating from 2013 to 2019 looking at the use of the key Traditionalist phrase “Kali Yuga.” This produces a diagram of word collocations in which “Evola” occupies a central place as a term that is almost as prominent as “cycle” and “Jews,” the two most prominent terms in the collocation. “Cycle” connects most to “ancient” and “golden,” which is no great surprise, and “Jews” connects to “race,” “Aryan,” and “white,” again no great surprise on 4chan/pol/. What is surprising is the connection between “Kali Yuga” and “Jews” and thus “Aryan,” as for Guénon the Kali Yuga had nothing to do with the Jews.

>For Evola, though, there was a connection, and there was an even stronger connection for Miguel Serrano, the Chilean exponent of “esoteric Nazism” who drew on (and on certain points disagreed with) Evola. Tuters is therefore right to point to Nicholas Goodrick-Clarke’s work on what Tuters calls “esoteric fascism” (Goodrick-Clarke used Serrano’s term). He is right to see “chan culture” as “giving a contemporary ‘vernacular’ form” to this, and he is probably mostly right that “for the anonymous Evolites in discussion on /pol/, the Kali Yuga does not signify a decline for all humanity, but rather a failure of ‘The West’ to preserve its own roots and identitarian history.” And, as we know from other studies, “chan culture” spreads into general online culture, and hence general culture.

>Tuters’s chapter demonstrates the impact of Evola, via esoteric fascism and chan culture, on the general culture. This is in itself fascinating. It is also fascinating, methodologically, to see how he did this. Perhaps we all need to attend Digital Methods Summer Schools. Three other gems from this chapter: (1) the general impression of the importance of chan culture for Brenton Tarrant overstates this influence; (2) the posts analyzed by Tuters at one point showed equal enthusiasm for Hitler and Donald Trump; and (3) “taking the red pill” “refers [to] an esoteric experience of awakening.”

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 9 23:28:21 2021 No.19200966 Lotta words for a bullshitter.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 9 23:29:15 2021 No.19200971 who is this shit written for?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 9 23:31:23 2021 No.19200982 >>19200971 Other people who made the mistake of getting PhDs.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 9 23:50:46 2021 No.19201070 >>19200962 Kali Yuga Jews Guenon Evola Trump Kali Yuga Jews Guenon Evola Trump Kali Yuga Jews Guenon Evola Trump Kali Yuga Jews Guenon Evola Trump Kali Yuga Jews Guenon Evola Trump Kali Yuga Jews Guenon Evola Trump

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 9 23:53:29 2021 No.19201082 >>19200962 I miss the old miya

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 9 23:53:48 2021 No.19201084 >>19200962 These academics are obsessed.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 9 23:56:12 2021 No.19201090 >>19200962 Left-wing Church functionaries concerned about heresy on anonymous imageboard. Nothing to see here. Tumblr has achieved total victory in the "culture wars" anyway.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 9 23:58:31 2021 No.19201100 >>19201084 I wonder if the academics know how much of /pol/ is inorganic shill and slide and bait threads or if they're just taking it at face value. If they're doing crude data scrapes then they're going to miss this rather important dimension

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 10 00:01:47 2021 No.19201106 >>19201100 A lower percent of /pol/ is shill/slide/bait threads than Twitter left-liberal astroturf for example. A large percentage of online "discourse" is nothing more than bot farms.

Anonymous Sun Oct 10 00:12:47 2021 No.19201133

>>19200962
>He is right to see “chan culture” as “giving a contemporary ‘vernacular’ form” to this, and he is probably mostly right that “for the anonymous Evolites in discussion on /pol/, the Kali Yuga does not signify a decline for all humanity, but rather a failure of ‘The West’ to preserve its own roots and identitarian history.”
I don’t think this is a fair assessment for /lit/ and most of /pol/. It’s very reductive.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 10 00:17:24 2021 No.19201157 >>19201070 Kali Kali Kali Kali Kali Kali Yuga Yuga Yuga Yuga Yuga Yuga Jews Jews Jews Jews Jews Jews Evola Evola Evola Evola Evola Evola Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Guenon Guenon Guenon Guenon Guenon Guenon

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 10 00:29:02 2021 No.19201205 It would be such a shame if this guy were inundated with credible sounding death threats. That'd be terrible, I wouldn't stand for it.

Anonymous Sun Oct 10 00:37:37 2021 No.19201241

George Hawley is the only academic who has approached this topic with any seriousnesss, at least in terms of his book Right Wing Critics of American Conservatism. Ordinarily I'd tell you to fuck off for being an election tourist but it is just a good book for understanding non-mainline political discourses of the right

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 10 00:38:50 2021 No.19201246 >>19201070 Based data analyst

Anonymous Sun Oct 10 09:18:02 2021 No.19202709

>>19200962
>for the anonymous Evolites in discussion on /pol/, the Kali Yuga does not signify a decline for all humanity, but rather a failure of ‘The West’ to preserve its own roots and identitarian history.
So this is the power of word cloud scholarship.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 10 09:20:42 2021 No.19202716 >>19200962 the cover looks good, but that summary made it sound like garbage statistical ad-hoc argumentation

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 10 09:23:05 2021 No.19202721 >I hold a degree in Cinema and two graduate degree in Media Studies and Interactive Media.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 10 09:34:45 2021 No.19202754 >>19200962 Kali Yuga Kali Yuga Jews Jews Jews Trump Niggers I like to wear my mother's dresses Jews Jews Trump Niggers Kali Yuga

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 10 10:00:31 2021 No.19202853 Imagine trying to discuss Evola on /pol/ lmao.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 10 10:07:58 2021 No.19202880 >>19200962 Do they think people unironically believe in Evola's retard ideas about muh Kali Yuga and believe that it is anything more than a colourful generalised metaphor? It's a meme you dip (don't expect the glowies to get this one either)

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 10 10:10:34 2021 No.19202888 >>19201090 Apt description.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 10 10:13:10 2021 No.19202894 >>19202880 What grand worldview isn't a generelised metaphor?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 10 10:14:27 2021 No.19202899 >>19202894 *generalised

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 10 10:17:22 2021 No.19202910 >>19202894 Christianity

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 10 10:28:45 2021 No.19202947 >>19202910 Do you believe an apple -as in the actual fruit- was the reason for your being a worldling? or was it the snake's scheming, and Eve, the Woman from the Man, the female from the ribs of the male, and her capricious parahuman nature

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 10 10:43:15 2021 No.19202970 >>19200962 it's embarassing writing and a sign of death that this is backed by other so-called academics

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 10 10:45:06 2021 No.19202977 i believe the reason they make academic books so expensive is so no one will read them and realize how retarded they all are.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 10 10:50:42 2021 No.19202995 Kek, this retard probably got filtered hard by Evola... assuming that he even read it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 10 11:41:56 2021 No.19203182 >>19202995 Not defending academics but holding Evola up as anything else than trad larp cope is embarrassing.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 10 11:44:21 2021 No.19203189 >>19200962 incredibly idiotic analysis

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 10 12:04:34 2021 No.19203243 >>19203182 UH OH somebody was filtered by Evola

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 10 12:19:30 2021 No.19203296 >>19200962 I don't care about this, but what other shit is deemed as revisionism in this book?

Anonymous Sun Oct 10 12:24:28 2021 No.19203322

>>19202947
The apple was only specified in Paradise Lost. Also
Genesis 1:27 So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them, male and female he created them.

Perhaps you should read the Bible?

>>19203189
It's the analysis a human could produce after distractedly scanning some parts for 12 minutes. I wonder how many hours went into its production.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 10 12:57:54 2021 No.19203484 File: 62 KB, 400x400, Louie Dean Twitter image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] physiognomy check?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 10 13:02:54 2021 No.19203508 File: 38 KB, 580x328, giovanni-gentile.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19200962 >Esoteric Fascism Who came up with this stupid fucking meme.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 10 13:03:00 2021 No.19203509 >>19200962 >hyphenated last name zozzle guaranteed to be a total limpdick faggot

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 10 13:06:02 2021 No.19203522 >>19200971 >who is this shit written for? policymakers that don't know how to set the clocks on their ovens

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 10 13:06:48 2021 No.19203524 >>19203484 he has failed the check

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 10 13:07:28 2021 No.19203527 File: 16 KB, 306x306, fuckme.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19200962 >Perhaps we all need to attend Digital Methods Summer Schools. I'm going to become even more virulently fascist and racist just to spite the creature that wrote this.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 10 13:08:13 2021 No.19203530 >>19203508 Guido de Giorgio

Anonymous Sun Oct 10 13:14:39 2021 No.19203558

>>19201084
>>19201090
>>19201100
>Church functionaries
>obsessed
>I wonder
Academia is saturated, all the worthwhile topics long taken, outsider artists and schizo cultists mined dry, but 4chan pol losers are always good for a paper
And y'all are too stupid to realize it's just a job, if you had had half a brain you could have gotten paid shitposting, instead here you all are, doing it for free

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 10 13:15:50 2021 No.19203562 >>19200962 >equal enthusiasm for Hitler and Donald Trump I fucking hate people who compare Trump to the man himself so much

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 10 13:16:12 2021 No.19203568 >>19200962 >academics are getting paid to read shitposts based

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 10 13:18:01 2021 No.19203574 >>19203530 Thqnk you. Is he worth reading? Does he offer something Gentile does not?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 10 15:01:37 2021 No.19204027 >>19203568 >use a Python script to analyze word frequency >take the rest of the week off >>19203530 Based and Havismatpilled.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 10 15:40:42 2021 No.19204206 >>19200971 bureaucrats who want to maintain the cold war state at all costs

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 10 15:43:08 2021 No.19204213 >>19203562 you have to admit it's really handy, like a red stamp that says "don't waste your time reading this"

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 10 15:44:44 2021 No.19204225 >>19200971 Soulless academic grifters and wannabe academic PhD faggots who will spend their life making 35K as an adjunct

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 10 15:46:16 2021 No.19204229 >>19200962 >“taking the red pill” “refers [to] an esoteric experience of awakening.” wtf there's no deep esoteric meaning to redpilled, it's just a matrix reference used to describe being clued in on something

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 10 15:46:27 2021 No.19204231 /pol/ is literally just one Mexican NEET shitposting from all the Internet cafes in Tokyo using various VPNs

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 10 16:00:27 2021 No.19204304 >>19203527 It's from a review of the chapter, which was written by Mark Sedgewick on his blog

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 10 16:03:36 2021 No.19204319 >>19201090 >Tumblr has achieved total victory in the "culture wars" anyway. Guys, should we tell him?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 10 16:06:09 2021 No.19204336 >>19201205 These no-name assistant professors are too pathetic to be worth the effort.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 10 16:06:45 2021 No.19204339 >>19204229 >anon doesn't know what 'esoteric' means Wew lad >>19204319 Nah, let's wait a few more years

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 10 17:54:07 2021 No.19204853 >>19203558 Not really relevant to my post but you dont strike me as someone capable of thinking logically about this subject

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 10 18:22:01 2021 No.19204983 >>19204229 A lot of posters talk about the before and after of redpilling with a sort of reverence.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 10 21:09:00 2021 No.19205711 >>19200962 kek

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 11 01:29:18 2021 No.19206812 >>19200971 Niggers and jews

Anonymous Mon Oct 11 06:07:46 2021 No.19207758

>>19200971
To maintain your salary you need to produce books and publications. They don't have a target audience; no one actually reads them except to cite them in their own work. They are a means to an end.
In short, it's written for other academics who write about internet culture.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 11 06:45:42 2021 No.19207872 >>19207758 >no one actually reads them except to cite them in their own work But Anon, pyramid schemes are illegal.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 11 08:23:45 2021 No.19208237 >>19207872 not when they are funded by the government

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 11 08:36:15 2021 No.19208287 >>19208237 Hheheh

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 11 14:22:23 2021 No.19209931 >>19200966 Naw M8, lack of brevity is a hallmark of a bullshiter.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 11 15:03:45 2021 No.19210222 >>19203182 Evola was trad larp cope but he was a pretty impressive figure in any case. more respectable than most intellectuals by a long shot. For me, it's Eliade

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 11 15:09:19 2021 No.19210252 >>19201070 Trump's Feed and Seed Fuck Niggers Fuck Jannies Fuck Kikes Evola's Kali and Yuga

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 11 15:27:06 2021 No.19210351 File: 209 KB, 1029x782, 1609859382367.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19210252 >Evola's Kali and Yuga

Anonymous Mon Oct 11 15:30:06 2021 No.19210368

>>19200962
>He is right to see “chan culture” as “giving a contemporary ‘vernacular’ form” to this, and he is probably mostly right that “for the anonymous Evolites in discussion on /pol/, the Kali Yuga does not signify a decline for all humanity, but rather a failure of ‘The West’ to preserve its own roots and identitarian history.”
tell me he is wrong. This is just accurate.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 11 15:35:40 2021 No.19210401 >>19200962 >lefties have been doing the bulk of revisionism on everything their Ph.D touches >proceeds to accuse the rigth of revisionism I really wish partisans kill themselves fighting

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 11 15:45:52 2021 No.19210456 >>19210368 ok chud

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 11 17:39:01 2021 No.19211027 >>19203484 >>19203509 >is unable to read the post and see that the chapter under discussion is not by the editor on the cover

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 11 17:50:43 2021 No.19211074 >>19203484 El Abominacion

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 11 21:08:23 2021 No.19211912 >>19204229 That's just the surface level understanding. Real geniuses know what it really means

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 11 22:58:52 2021 No.19212390 >>19203484 >man made horrors beyond your comprehension

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 11 23:22:26 2021 No.19212497 It amuses me that teams of researchers are spending countless hours analyzing and contemplating my shit posts

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 12 02:48:27 2021 No.19213168 >>19200962 Hm, this is actually pret– >the posts analyzed by Tuters at one point showed equal enthusiasm for Hitler and Donald Trump Never mind, just a partisan political screed, I guess.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 12 07:06:22 2021 No.19213948 >>19210351 Perhaps the most daring synthesis so far

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 12 11:49:31 2021 No.19214930 >>19213168 Did you actually expect an academic 4chan "analysis" could be worthwhile to read?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 12 11:59:41 2021 No.19214981 How much longer until the University bubble bursts? Men are already dropping out since the degrees are useless. I mean, we have refugees to house and feed so why are we paying dolts to write about 4chan and Harry Potter?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 12 12:03:35 2021 No.19215003 >>19214981 It will continue to be propped up by the state and an endless flood of affirmative action students

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 12 12:13:07 2021 No.19215064 >>19214981 When the industries that require educated labor stop outsourcing their training and vetting to them, so in all likelihood, when society collapses.

Anonymous Tue Oct 12 12:19:03 2021 No.19215099

>>19214981
>I mean, we have refugees to house and feed so why are we paying dolts to write about 4chan and Harry Potter?
Continental philosophy is too trendy for this to go away. You’d have to go through a list of every professor in the country and scrap all of them who have ever referenced, Hegel, Foucault, Heidegger, Derrida, etc. for this to stop.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 12 12:42:46 2021 No.19215194 >>19215099 this has nothing to do w/ cont. phil. anymore

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 12 12:45:10 2021 No.19215205 >>19214981 Midwits and women pay youtubers via Pateron to make 'video essays' about 4chan, Harry Potter and pop culture ephemera. Difficult to believe, but true.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 12 13:05:59 2021 No.19215309 >>19215194 If that were the case they’d be able to go a whole paragraph without using one of the names I listed with an -ian attached. Like it or not, this is the exact kind of work that their kind of philosophizing encourages.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 12 13:08:06 2021 No.19215320 >>19215309 Who is the Ian fellow anyway? Where do I start with his works?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 12 13:15:23 2021 No.19215356 >>19215320 It’s just the suffix used by disciples of continental schools to let people know whose cult they identify with.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 12 13:21:34 2021 No.19215387 >>19215356 Weird to think Ian is so influential people will take his name.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 12 13:23:27 2021 No.19215394 >>19215320 Start with Unknown Pleasures and then Closer. Sadly, that's all he made.

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