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1919992 No.1919992 [Reply] [Original]

This book is total fiction. I mean, look at how absurd the situations in it are! Music created by machines that is completely void of artistic merit, telescreens in every household that constantly display propaganda and mindless garbage, streets constantly monitored by helicopters and security cameras, government bureaucracies that spew out misinformation and contradict themselves, perpetual war against nonexistent enemies for the sole purpose of keeping the economy running and citizens afraid...

Total fiction.

>> No.1919998

so what

>> No.1920000

Of course it's total fiction. If it were non-fiction, we'd be fucked, neh?

>> No.1920003

>>1920000
also, eat my quads you fucking bastards

>> No.1920011

OF COURSE IT IS FICTION, IDIOT. NOTHING IN THE NOVEL ACTUALLY HAPPENED "IN REAL LIFE".

>> No.1920013

rangHAHA

>> No.1920056

does /lit/ even like this book?

i didnt. found it annoying to read.

>> No.1920070

>>1920056
I liked it a lot. I can understand someone not liking it but in what way was it annoying to read?

>> No.1920092

>>1920070
It's kind of harrowing, nothing good happens. Yes, I realise that is the point.

And we all know about how our world is now 'bigbrother-esque'. The only real reason to read it is to say you have, or to nod in agreement whenever calls something 'Orwellian', since you have now read the book.

Other than that, it's boring.

>> No.1920120

>political satire

>> No.1920131

The only people that don't like 1984 are liberals.

Surprisingly, /lit/ is full of Liberals.

Ask /sci/ what they think of it and you'll get a different answer.

>> No.1920150

I don't remember any of this shit happening in 1984!

>> No.1920158

>>1920131
/sci/ is just as full with liberals if not more. Aside from the /new/ racists of course

>> No.1920170

Brave New World struck a stronger chord with me

1984 is too obvious, if anything people are much more on the lookout and wary of that scenario than the more subtle advances of a Brave New World esque nation

>> No.1920176
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1920176

Huxley got it right. Orwell is faggots.

>> No.1920179

>>1920131
>>1920158
as someone who actually got their BS in a science (Biology) /sci/ is repulsive for their ignorance in anything science related. It is that and then homework problems from highschoolers and thus /sci/ has been summed up accordingly.

Although I suspect I would have similar feelings towards /lit/ if I had gotten a degree in literature and was more aware of potential ignorance on this board

>>1920170
>>1920176
also these are the correct responses

>> No.1920188

>>1920176
well that comic pretty much summed up perfectly what I was trying to say in my post: >>1920170

>> No.1920210

>>1920176


I wish that people would learn to comment on 1984 without also talking about Brave New World. That comparison has been done to death. Are those the only two works of dystopian fiction with which you are familiar? Why don't you compare 1984 to a cinematic masterpiece like Fritz Lang's 'Metropolis' instead? Just for some fucking variation so that we don't have to read the same garbage about how much more prescient Huxley was than Orwell, which stopped being an insightful thing to say in 1985 when Neil fucking Postman published his sub-standard book.>>1920170

>> No.1920216

>First reaction
Is he actually badmouthing fiction?

>Second reaction
He can't possibly be saying that 1984 is going to happen

>Final reaction
This is happening as we speak.

Well shit.

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1920221

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>> No.1920266

>as someone who actually got their BS in a science (Biology)
>Biology

The bitch science, for women and for men not intelligent enough for physics or chemistry.

>> No.1920280

>>1920131
What? Are you saying the government in 1984 was liberal? What sort of permanent war economy sounds like a tree hugging hippie
to you?

>>1920176
Orwell and Huxley were doing two different things, and it's fair to compare the two. Huxley was writing about the problems of the state controlling pleasure, and the various issues of having too much pleasure (or freedom). Huxley's commentary was on a liberal Western democracy.
Orwell's 1984 was an attack on Soviet style totalitarianism "from the left," in his words. Not a prediction of what would happen in Western liberal democracies.

>> No.1920288

>>1920176
>>1920170
Why can't they both be right about different things?
Orwell was mainly attacking communism.

>> No.1920295

>>1920280
They kind that's based on big government?

>> No.1920296

I took Brave New World more as a denouncement of drowning oneself in hedonism (which comparing modern times to the time the book was written makes him a prophet, and compared to his later life spent abusing LSD makes him a hypocrite) and an advocacy of a life with a degree of asceticism.

The two real protagonists purposely put themselves in bad physical conditions to focus on their spiritual or artistic aspirations whereas the antagonists are content to spend all of their time doing drugs and having sex, which the state clearly has learned to use as a tool. This along with the eugenics concept helps stress the idea that giving in to pleasure-seeking and libertinism will keep a person content but keeps them from ever becoming more than a smiling drone. The government never took over forcefully, the people willingly listen to them. That's important.

What I'm saying is I feel like BNW is more of a social and moral commentary while 1984 is a political piece.

>> No.1920302

>>1920295
Are you American? If so, liberal means something different to you than it does in the rest of the world.

>> No.1920307

>>1920131
Lol. I saw your troll in the Harry Potter thread. Needs some work. This thread is more suited for your attempts. Bagged some people too. Solid 5/10.

>> No.1920568

>>1920288
Orwell attacking communism.

No. He was attacking totalitarianism.

He was a democratic socialist.

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1920573

Arguing Huxley vs Orwell is retarded.

They're BOTH right.

>> No.1920579

Naked Lunch is the only accurate dystopian novels. These others barely scratch the surface.

>> No.1920589

>>1920573
Yep that. Our life is shit and we're the ones having it good.