Suffering is...LE GOOD?

[Anonymous No.19179673]

Does this faggot ever stop pretending suffering is good and has no redeeming qualities? He tries to move past Schopenhauer but I think he increased the delusion more. This retard fantasizes about embracing suffering. No, you should recognize that suffering in existence simply sucks, and that it is not good and recognizing it for what it is. No crack head delusions of trying to twist it into rhetorical flourishes of "goodness" or by accepting it, or by embracing it. No, you have every right to dislike it and you should. The sooner we can rid ourselves of the delusions and recognize the existential dilemmas and contingent sufferings, put it on the table and see the pendulum of survival/goals and boredom, contingent painful experiences, annoyances as real- the instrumentality of all things of the world, then I think we can live better

[Anonymous No.19179685]

Where do you draw the line between challenges and suffering? Do you play videogames?

[Anonymous No.19179688]

>>19179673
>le weak.. good
fuck off. Embrace suffering and become someone better, faggot

[Anonymous No.19179693]

>>19179673
He was a christcuck, he couldn't help it

[Anonymous No.19179700]

STOP wanting stuff

[Anonymous No.19179703]

Suffering causes me a sensation of perverse pleasure looking back upon it. Without it I’d be ineffably bored of this existence. I seek and need it.

[Anonymous No.19179719]

>>19179673
It must be suffering having to live with this fucking mustache, disgusting, imagine all the fucking food that got stuck in that

[Anonymous No.19179728]

This is why Weil pegs Nietzsche to prolapse.

>>19179688
>dude like... just affirm this hideous godless void to write... like... write really pretty poems about it lmaoooo
drivel

[Anonymous No.19179733]

>>19179728
>
What a sad soul you must be, that you have never read pretty poetry. I could not suffer that either

[Anonymous No.19179910]

>>19179673
Evola refuted this already

[Anonymous No.19179924]

>>19179728
OH SIMONE, NO MORE TEARS. THAT'S A WASTE OF GOOD SUFFERING

[Anonymous No.19179931]

>>19179693
He wasn't a christcuck.

[Anonymous No.19179954]

>>19179931
yes he was you fucking retard

[Anonymous No.19179983]

>>19179954
Try reading his works before posting please. I know you hate him (so do I) but you're either a liar or retard at this point. The man hated christianity.

[Anonymous No.19179998]

>>19179673
Read Stirner.

[Anonymous No.19180249]

Yeah this is a silly thing. If one wants to suffer, then is it truly suffering? Wouldn't it suffer more if you were not able to choose to suffer? So then the ultimate suffering would be in a suffer-less world, which doesn't make sense.
For example, wouldn't David Goggins be more sad if he was not able to build his 'mental toughness'?
No one wants to suffer.

[Anonymous No.19180255]

>>19179673
Lol it’s not suffering is good, it’s the transcendent disconnection between pain and pleasure is illusory.

[Anonymous No.19180256]

>>19179998
Most of us are older than 13, though

[Anonymous No.19180268]

>>19179673
You are a faggot dude

[Anonymous No.19180276]

>>19179673
it only counts for the suffering of normal people
not for your modern and constant trannie depression fag

[Anonymous No.19180289]

>>19179719
Snacks for later, man

[Anonymous No.19180293]

>>19179733
I have read beautiful poetry, Taoist by Kenneth Slessor is probably my favorite, but thinking poetry can ever justify the bedrock of suffering it's built on... you apparently haven't been reading any good poetry either.

[Anonymous No.19180303]

>LE RAPE, MURDER AND LOOTING GOOD
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NOT THE POOR HORSERINOOOOOOOOO

[Anonymous No.19180309]

>>19180293
>every night and every morn'
>some to misery are born
I'm fully aware of the insanity and rampant cruelty of life, but I think it's silly to say that it's only or even mostly built on suffering

[Anonymous No.19180313]

>>19180293
>the bedrock of suffering
Soft, white hands wrote this post. Get a fucking grip, man.

[Anonymous No.19180322]

sufferfags are insufferable

[Anonymous No.19180330]

>>19179673
Growth is the ultimate goal. Not happiness, not peace, but growth. Suffering is the ultimate bringer of growth.

[Anonymous No.19180331]

>>19179688
Strength doesn't suffer confused metaphysical tranny

[Anonymous No.19180339]

>>19180249
I don't think your supposed to chase suffering or enjoy the suffering. You're supposed to be grateful and be able to pick up the pieces and become something greater.

[Anonymous No.19180341]

>>19180331
>Strength doesn't suffer.
You're lack of ability to analyze the world for even a moment is sad.

[Anonymous No.19180347]

>>19180330
>suffering is le good
again with the christcuckoldry

[Anonymous No.19180349]

>>19180313
Are you one of those shitwits who thinks suffering makes life a shonen anime?

[Anonymous No.19180352]

>>19179703
based

[Anonymous No.19180358]

>>19180339
>You're supposed to be grateful and be able to pick up the pieces and become something greater.
Why do you think suffering should benefit you with such an opportunity? If you can see the silver lining, then that is not suffering.

[Anonymous No.19180378]

>>19180249
David Goggins suffering wasn't him running really far in a desert or doing a bunch of pullups, or enlisting in the military. I know even David Goggins seems to think this, but he's wrong. Those didn't build his character, they were the result of it, the reward. Davids real suffering was the years of child abuse, neglect, and following depression that followed him for most of his young life. Completely unnessescary suffering that lies beyond his locus of control to prevent, but also completely nessesary at the same time (to overcome) for david to become who he is. That's the point.

[Anonymous No.19180417]

>>19180378
>Davids real suffering was the years of child abuse, neglect, and following depression that followed him for most of his young life.
Yes, and I don't think he would ever choose to go back to that time period. That's the point, because it sucks. Overcoming is cool (but painful)

[Anonymous No.19180461]

>>19180347
Religion is the grossest blot on our world. God and Jesus are bad ideals too. I don't understand why embracing suffering is exclusive to christcucks.

[Anonymous No.19180462]

>>19180417
But if you asked him if he had the option to reverse time and prevent it all from happening, thereby preventing him from becoming who he is now, do you think he would say yes?

[Anonymous No.19180469]

>>19180461
they hate you because you speak the truth

[Anonymous No.19180479]

>>19180358
It seems we may have a different definition of suffering. I understand what you mean, and to an extent I agree. But if you are experiencing intense anguish, then in that moment you are suffering. Even if you will grow and become greater because of it, in that moment before you are suffering.

[Anonymous No.19180492]

>>19179673
I legit love le good le bad meme

[Anonymous No.19180501]

>>19179673
he never says this, only the reduction of suffering isn’t the end all be all because the reduction of suffering impedes growth

[Anonymous No.19180785]

>>19180349
No, but it's very clear that people who make posts like OP's experience suffering that is mild and often self-inflicted.

[Anonymous No.19181379]

>>19180303
good one

[Anonymous No.19181611]

disregard anything said about suffering by people with chosen exaggerated visual modifiers like a retardly cumbersome moustache or comically large glasses with bold frames it is clear that people like this don't suffer they exhibit that they are not even sensitive to their most intimate surroundings

[Anonymous No.19181710]

>>19179673
Suffering is not le good nor is it le evil. Thats kind of the point. The affirmation of suffering in Nietzsche's sense, is quite literally what you're already talking about. For Nietzsche, to deny the pain in suffering, the real loss, would be the same phony ascetic denial his entire project is attempting to undermine. Suffering isn't affirmed by imagining it pleasant according to some transcendent hope, it is affirmed only by suffering.

[Anonymous No.19181748]

there is no wisdom without suffering

[Anonymous No.19181793]

Suffering has no metaphysical merit in itself. But our reaction to suffering does. So our reaction to suffering can be seen as a test of our metaphysical character (or soul).

Because suffering affects some people so much, they try to make suffering as some sort of metaphysical force in itself, whereas the reality of the situation is that it has as much metaphysical weight as taking a shit

[Anonymous No.19181825]

>>19179673
Suffering is the backbone of civilization. By rejecting suffering, you reject civilization and everything that comes with it — literature, music, art in general, the sciences, technology, any refined luxury... without suffering, there is neither a labor force nor a muse for these things. If you want to reject suffering wholesale and not be a hypocrite, you have to reject civilization wholesale.

[Anonymous No.19182208]

>>19179703
pretty based

[Anonymous No.19182279]

>>19181611
>Nietzsche didn't suffer because he had a mustache

[Anonymous No.19182925]

if you can feel pain, it means you are still alive.

[Anonymous No.19182987]

I don't know why you fags focus on suffering so much. Don't you ever feel any happiness? Is it not pleasant?

[Anonymous No.19183030]

>>19179673
I've been thinking about it, and the belief that the highest moral duty is to reduce pain and suffering is about as anti-life as you can get.

Life is suffering, and everything that makes one successful in life is painful and causes suffering. Hard work, exercise, child birth, responsibility, etc, etc. They all cause pain and suffering because pain and suffering are the price of greatness.

Also the reduction (or elimination) of pain and suffering can't be an end but a means. What is the purpose of life without suffering? To be happy? Happiness is an emotion. You can choose to feel happy regardless of your circumstances, so if you're unhappy it's because you're choosing to be unhappy, and that's your own problem. Nobody has the power, let alone the duty, to make you happy.

Evolution/Darwinism/Natural Selection is not pretty, but it works. competition and creating winners and losers is how humanity rose above other animals, how empires shaped the world, and why you're reading this on 4chan instead of making cave-paintings with your feces.

Lastly, there are several alternatives that don't create moral duties on others if your goal is to reduce pain and suffering. These include:
- The "Brave New World" solution where you give people drugs to make them feel happy and not feel pain.
- Remove the parts of someone's brain that causes them to be sad or process suffering so they can be blissful idiots.
- Eliminate all lifeforms that are capable of feeling pain and suffering altogether, thus eliminating pain and suffering itself (especially humans)
- Develop a masochistic fetish where you train yourself to process pain as pleasure and get into the cock and ball torture scene.
- Kill yourself

Note that their solution seems to always be welfare though? Isn't that weird?

[Anonymous No.19183088]

>>19179983
I see it as more of a love-hate relationship. On the surface he appears to hate Christianity, but I think this hatred was in fact driven by his closeness to it. It is easier to see the warts and flaws in something you are very close to. He credits Christianity with having made man deep, complex, and self-aware. And his close examination of the psychology of slave morality and ascetism could only come from some kind of personal experience with it. Note also that Nietzsche was a big fan of Dostoyevsky....

[Anonymous No.19183104]

>>19179673
no sensual experience has any inherent value

[Anonymous No.19183107]

nietzsche is the GOAT. a kind of brilliance only achieved by maintaining a tenuous perch between schizophrenia and reality.

[Anonymous No.19183115]

>>19183030
>Remove the parts of someone's brain that causes them to be sad or process suffering so they can be blissful idiots.
Sign me up, good lord. I want this.

[Anonymous No.19183116]

>>19182987
fuck pleasure and hapiness that shit is for fags

[Anonymous No.19183120]

>>19179703
exactly. only in my, objectively inconsequential, breakups or speedbumps can I ever create the kind of art that is worth making. nietzsche just put to words, beautifully, what we have all realized or will.

[Anonymous No.19183124]

>>19182987
>>19183116
you are both retarded, it is the suffering that gives weight to happiness. It's a kind of manic polarity that seasons our lives. because of great suffering we achieve great happiness. and both are desirable because they are obviously the same thing.

[Anonymous No.19183133]

>>19183124
dont care suffering is for fags too

[Anonymous No.19183135]

>>19179673
>suffering is good and has no redeeming qualities?
You contradicted yourself in your first sentence. Makes sense you'd be too weak to handle the suffering you receive

[Anonymous No.19183145]

>because of great suffering we achieve great happiness
I don't see any reason for this being necessarily true. It's just as likely that hapiness is possible in spite of suffering. Both the pessimistic and Nietzsche's view overemphasise the prevelance of suffering, however I don't see it as that big a deal.

>>19183133
Alright then contrarian what isn't for fags then?

[Anonymous No.19183159]

>>19183145
sucking dick for the objective results instead of the subjective experience

[Anonymous No.19183181]

>>19179685
a challenge feels good and suffering does not
seems kind of obvious

[Anonymous No.19183190]

>>19183159
The objective result is that you become a fag, and hence unwelcome on /lit/

[Anonymous No.19183219]

>>19183181
just a question of different pain tolerance. sports medicine shows that the mind reduces its sensitivity when it can anticipate victory.

[Anonymous No.19183248]

>>19179673
You can achieve a lot more - or, for the unambitious, enjoy a lot more - if you aren't so frightened by suffering.

[Anonymous No.19183399]

>>19180303
lol

[Anonymous No.19183403]

>>19179673
>t. ultimate man
Enjoy a hollow existence with no catharsis

[Anonymous No.19183424]

>>19180303

[Anonymous No.19183691]

>>19182987
Nietzsche literally, and I mean LITERALLY, constantly talks about joy. Its just that /lit/, literally, does not read. They just transmit/receive memes ad infinitum, and the few worthy clue into the more interesting crests of these waves (and leave).

[Anonymous No.19183736]

>>19183691
He still bases his philosophy on an acceptance of schopenhauerian pessimism, which as an anti pessimist I find "cringe"

[Anonymous No.19183759]

>>19183030
The thing I feel is, there are some forms of suffering that initiate growth and self-affirmation, but there are some that impede both of these things, and keep you weak, tired, and subservient. I think utilitarianism and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race, not just for the popular opinion that hedonism and the principle of utility is literal bugman shit, but that it's classification of pain is completely binary and leads us to categorize between the two when really its spectrums overlapping. Are there any books that talk about the schizo shit im rambling off, or do I have to write it myself? Something that comes to mind to me are kinds of suffering that merely challenge us to hold our local/internal control (losing your job, a bad breakup, a traumatic experience, etc.), and those that either remove it entirely or prevent you from expanding it, possibly even conditioning you to not notice it (living in extreme systemic poverty your entire life, or in an authoritarian, centralized state that removes your rights)

[Anonymous No.19183773]

>>19183691
just because an opium addict with chronic headaches declared himself a disciple of le wine god, i'm not going to take his frenetic exclamations at face value.

[Anonymous No.19183787]

>>19180330
You do realize it is possible to suffer without any good return?

[Anonymous No.19183791]

>>19179673
Based. Nietzsche couldn't defeat Schopenhauer. Lots of bad takes in this thread

[Anonymous No.19183803]

I thought suffering was good until I stubbed my toe the other day and I was in pain for literally minutes.

Was he talking about mental suffering?

[Anonymous No.19183808]

>>19183773
>i'm not going to take his frenetic exclamations at face value.
cool, you've caught up to like, the presocratics, maybe? See you on the next few thousand runs around the Earth (I'm a platonist btw)

[Anonymous No.19183820]

The idea that suffering is good for people is the fundamental underpinning of our society which allows elites who live in excessive luxury to deprive workers continually of wages higher than bare subsistence, since the less they are paid, the better it is for them. It is literally the core principle of the central evil in our world.

[Anonymous No.19183947]

>>19183820
The elites who live in luxury are actively avoiding suffering and as such will eventually become shallow shells of men with no passion or drive

[Anonymous No.19183980]

>>19183820
Zarathustra straight up says he wants man to become more evil. If everyone was cooperative with one another like in your utopian fantasy, there would be no innovation and eventually no creativity.

>>19183947
Doubtful. They got where they are because they know how to dish out suffering, and they'll keep dishing it out whenever they have to. It's just as taxing to dish it out as it is to experience it.

[Anonymous No.19184021]

>>19179733
>rhyming words justify suffering
No.

[Anonymous No.19184096]

>>19183980
>"Evil is good"

[Anonymous No.19185219]

>>19183980

>If everyone was cooperative with one another like in your utopian fantasy, there would be no innovation and eventually no creativity

But why is this a problem? Innovation and creativity exist to solve problems. You're saying the cure justifies the disease.

[Anonymous No.19185364]

>>19184096
Evil leads to good. You aren't good because you refuse to do evil, you're weak.

>>19185219
>But why is this a problem?
You're a nihilist. If you don't see nihilism as a problem, you are the enemy.

[Anonymous No.19185612]

>>19183947
what a cope

[Anonymous No.19185621]

>suffering is .... LE BAD
>no, I'm not gonna kill myself, I'm just going to continue suffering even though I allegedly hate it

[Anonymous No.19185632]

>>19179673
I despise this man.

[Anonymous No.19185641]

>>19183980
>They got where they are because they know how to dish out suffering, and they'll keep dishing it out whenever they have to.
true
>It's just as taxing to dish it out as it is to experience it.
bullshit sadism is easy

[Anonymous No.19185652]

>>19185621
>Everyone who suffers hasn't killed themselves yet?
>suffering is... LE GOOD

[Anonymous No.19185657]

How can a story be interesting without conflict? If everything is good all the time, with no striving at all, how is that an enviable state?

[Anonymous No.19185661]

>>19185652
if they hate it so much they should kill themself. it's not going anywhere.

[Anonymous No.19185693]

>>19185657
slice of life kills the /lit/fag

[Anonymous No.19185702]

>>19185693
Even SOL has minor conflicts or at least some kind of event progression, it's not just one big constant linear tale of happiness

[Anonymous No.19185704]

>>19185364
You’re right insofar as you acknowledge that accepting evil for Nietzsche means accepting life, as it is or in its purest and most natural expression (hence all his affirmation of power, strength, dionysus and eternal return, suffering, etc.).

[Anonymous No.19185712]

>>19185641
It's not easy because people put up resistance against it, as they should. You have to be in a position capable of dishing it out, and that position isn't easy to maintain.

[Anonymous No.19185800]

>>19185702
true
>>19185712
maintenance is easier than taking power in the first place

[Anonymous No.19185823]

>>19185800
Taking power is different from experiencing someone else's. I was comparing maintaining power with simply experiencing someone else's. Maintaining power is much harder than being on the receiving end and conforming to it.

[Anonymous No.19186541]

>>19181793
Didn't Nietzsche say this? I'm pretty sure he had a bit somewhere saying that suffering was not good in itself, because something something even the lowest forms of life are capable of great suffering.

[Anonymous No.19186556]

>>19185652
to be more nuanced, camus didn't really say that suffering is good, and really said the exact opposite. his whole shtick is that man gains its dignity as an animal from some ability of existential perseverance, through not only suffering but through the meaninglessness that exacerbates it.

[Anonymous No.19187602]

>>19179685

All suffering is bad.

[Anonymous No.19187634]

>>19180330
>Suffering is the ultimate bringer of growth.

Demonstrably false.

[Anonymous No.19187663]

>>19181825
>you have to reject civilization wholesale

I do.

[Anonymous No.19187675]

>>19183124
>it is the suffering that gives weight to happiness

Absurd indefensible statement.

[Anonymous No.19187686]

>>19183030
>and everything that makes one successful in life is painful and causes suffering. Hard work, exercise, child birth, responsibility, etc, etc

Total fabrication.

[Anonymous No.19187699]

>>19185364
>"Bro, just cheat on your girlfriend, it'll prove that you can and then when you stay faithful afterwards it'll mean more"
Unfathomably retarded

[Anonymous No.19187701]

>>19183947

And?

[Anonymous No.19187717]

>>19185364

"Innovation" and "creativity" with no object are by definition Nihilist, besides being retarded.

[Anonymous No.19187720]

>>19187663
War still caused the chain of events leading to today,
I think you should thank all the cells which killed each other to lead to the killing of weak Neanderthals to the wars and final peace which means the rock (earth) is here that your walking upon.

[Anonymous No.19187724]

>>19185621

That performing the deed will yield the intended result is an idea of the world you suck.

[Anonymous No.19187737]

>>19187720

There causality between such things is Rationally and Empirically absurd.

[Anonymous No.19187740]

>>19179673
I suffer a lot bro, lifting those weights, getting C's in my engineering degree... embrace suffering bros

[Anonymous No.19187750]

>>19185657

What is the value of interest?

[Anonymous No.19187772]

>>19187750
I like it. If you like being bored, that's your thing.

[Anonymous No.19187790]

>>19187772

I can't recall being bored. Has anyone other than interestbros ever been bored? Just as lifesuckers are the most pathetic bitches when slighted, interestbros are the most bored and boring ever.

[Anonymous No.19187826]

>>19179673
i wonder some time what this quack is on about sometimes myself. but i take it from my own upheld opinion that he is purely descbring the m0dern world modem. as in the height of opulence as it were. where embracing a feeble almost mudane type of sufferage such as cleaning ur room or hoovering the stairs type sufferage is very small compared to for example homelessness or hypotetical siturations. the man is all about class in ponderance such as literature and shoucpantic movements of products such as music and other emnites. only a world wide basis it doesnot seem like sufereign but their is casuality with other vices of pro-diocese.

[Anonymous No.19187830]

>>19187790
Your post was very boring, for example. Drop the pilpul for a sec and just admit there's no compelling story without a conflict.

[Anonymous No.19187838]

>>19179728
Where should I start with Weil if I have a solid foundation in nietzsche?

[Anonymous No.19187856]

>>19187699
you dont have do it to know that you CAN do it
you should know yourself capable of evil, that's it
you dont have to actively do anything, just look at your past
if you truly think you've never done anything evil, then you aren't a good person

[Anonymous No.19187877]

>>19181825
no you don't

[Anonymous No.19187887]

>>19183030
>belief that the highest moral duty is to reduce pain and suffering is about as anti-life
you are correct
this is the actual argument of contemporary anti-natalist thinkers
people who should really just off themselves like >>19183115

[Anonymous No.19187913]

>>19187887
you need to learn to fear pain and suffering :) and you will, once you get to know them. because to know them is to loathe them.

[Anonymous No.19187915]

>>19187877
You do, because civilizations are built on sacrifices. And even further, so is life itself.

[Anonymous No.19187927]

Is Nietzsche. Only teenagers read and take him seriously.

[Anonymous No.19187953]

>>19179673
First we must define "suffering."

[Anonymous No.19187980]

>>19187915
what kind of sacrifices did Isaac Newton make? Doing a job that he loved?
>>19187826
the only smart response itt. (albeit in strange lingo) suffering exists as a spectrum. small challenges are fun to overcome but when an individual's abilities to cope gets overwhelmed life can turn very unpleasant

[Anonymous No.19188009]

>exercise the body, and through suffering the body grows stronger
>maim the body, and through suffering the body disintegrates
>“but uh all suffering is good bros, trust me” - Neiche

[Anonymous No.19188052]

>>19188009
>through suffering the body grows stronger
so you agree that minimizing suffering isnt the highest good
>>19187913
> :)
people who know fear dont type like this

[Anonymous No.19188211]

>>19187980
Not every individual makes sacrifices, but sacrifices were made somewhere at some point so that Newton could do what he did: wars were fought, people were enslaved, animals were slaughtered for food, and so on.

[Anonymous No.19188248]

>>19183088
>more of a love-hate relationship

Interesting take.

[Anonymous No.19188250]

>>19188052
>people who know fear dont type like this

[Anonymous No.19188623]

>>19187980
>what kind of sacrifices did Isaac Newton make?
a sex life

[Anonymous No.19188642]

>>19187856
You contradict yourself. First, you say you don't need to do evil, just know that you can, then you say if you haven't done it you can't know that you are capable. I'm starting to think you're certifiably retarded.

[Anonymous No.19188662]

>>19188052
>so you agree that minimizing suffering isnt the highest good
I love how you're acting like this is some incredible revelation Nietzschnigger has brought to the world, and not common sense.

[Anonymous No.19188671]

>>19179673
Nietzsche is the biggest cuck in philosophy. He idolized qualities that he didn't have and persons he was nothing alike.

[Anonymous No.19188718]

>>19188671
>He idolized qualities that he didn't have
Such as?

>and persons he was nothing alike
He admired Borgia, and you faggots like to accuse him of plagiarism all the time, but now he's apparently nothing like those he admired. Can't have it both ways.

[Anonymous No.19188933]

>>19183787
Yes, idiot. I also know that the maxim "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger" Is meant for people who can endure that suffering. 99% of the time suffering begets growth. It's called post traumatic growth.

[Anonymous No.19188960]

>>19187634
>Demonstrably false.
How? If you want me to go there, I have science that can back that up. But I would rather stay subjective. In any case, hapiness is a state of being, not an emotion. You seem to be under the impression that hapiness is like constant pleasure, but you're most happy when you're full of pride and are truly great. Can you really argue that suffering doesn't bring upon greatness?

[Anonymous No.19188967]

>>19187699
Worst attempt at a strawman I've ever seen in my life.

[Anonymous No.19189176]

>>19188662
it isn't
utilitarian's have infected everything

[Anonymous No.19189184]

>>19188642
reading comprehension
I said you don't have to intentionally commit evil because you will have already unintentionally done so, unless youre the weakest person alive

[Anonymous No.19189271]

>>19188662
>Seriously believes that utilitarianism isn't the dominant ethics system.

[Anonymous No.19189866]

>>19188967
Yet you can't point out why it's wrong. "Refusing to do evil" or choosing the lesser of two evils is not any less good whether the person has committed evil previously or not. It's a total non-sequitur. Throughout literature there is an archetype of the weak or cowardly person who does great evil (Smerdyakov in TBK), the point of this is to show that any person is capable of doing evil, therefore anyone who chooses goodness and virtue really IS good and virtuous.

[Anonymous No.19189870]

>>19189271
Every argument appeals to some form of utilitarianism. The only difference is perspective and what particular thing of value is being sought to maximize.

[Anonymous No.19189896]

>>19183030
>and why you're reading this on 4chan instead of making cave-paintings with your feces
So basically, suffering bad.

[Anonymous No.19189943]

>>19183030
That's some massive cope

[Anonymous No.19189959]

>>19183030
>>19183030
>You can choose to feel happy regardless of your circumstances, so if you're unhappy it's because you're choosing to be unhappy, and that's your own problem.
Americans need to be gassed en masse.

[Anonymous No.19190030]

>>19183030
https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/10/brain-implant-relieves-patients-severe-depression-in-landmark-us-study/
so when are you installing the chip klaus?

[Anonymous No.19190065]

>>19179673
>>19179688
>>19180339
>>19180330
>>19181793
>>19181825
>>19183030
>>19187720

Kek, I love how atheshits like Nietzsche seethe at suffering. They whine that they can't overcome it, so all they do is try to make some meaning out of it, and they are as retarded as the ideologies like judaism, muh god created suffering because he gave free will, and the Poos, muh brahman created suffering until you see you are already enlightened.

This is why buddhists are the least retarded of all the bunch. At buddhists claim they end suffering, say suffering has no inherent value and of course they don't give a shit about the creation of the world, so they don't have to make up some mental masturbation like the theists.

[Anonymous No.19190118]

>>19180330
growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer call

[Anonymous No.19190860]

>>19188960

I can argue that it brings nothing.

[Anonymous No.19191268]

>>19189176
This, we're living in a world that's strongly influenced by utilitarianism, which is why standards have been getting lower each decade since the 1800's.

[Anonymous No.19191463]

>>19187602
This

I don't want to fucking suffer lol
I wanna be happy and satisfied

[Anonymous No.19191475]

>>19191463
You can literally be neither of those things unless you suffer greatly at some point.

[Anonymous No.19191491]

>>19191475
I'm going to try achieve those goals while suffering the least

Might as well call me H20

[Anonymous No.19191518]

>>19189866
FYI, I don't entirely agree with the way he was arguing evil being good, so that's why I didn't refute it. I was just pointing out the fact that what you said was a clear misrepresentation of what he meant.