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So my sister teaches English Literature at a private school and was complaining about the abundance of White Male authors on the curriculum. I told her that's because non-whites haven't contributed anything significant to the field of English and specifically British literature. She called me a racist and left the dinner table. Can anyone here actually name one non-white author who was as significant as someone like Shakespeare?

>> No.19171444

>>19171432
>Literature written in a white language
>"WHY ARE SO MANY OF THE WRITERS WHITE?!"

Really jogs the noggin. On a similar note, has anyone ever noticed how most of the best writers of Japanese literature are Asian?

>> No.19171448

>>19171432
>Can anyone here actually name one non-white author who was as significant as someone like Shakespeare?

No but that would be difficult you've chosen one of the greatest writers of all time. I haven't read many black authors myself but I know Chinua Achebe is pretty good and George Schuyler as well. Keep an open mind op and give it a try, you sister obviously feels very strongly so you should make an effort to see it from her side.

>> No.19171484

>as Shakespeare
The vast majority of POC literature is from a modern era and it only makes sense to compare them to contemporaries. It's a point in futility to ask "Why were there no Chinese people in Britain making great plays in the 1500s?" when people in China were writing significant novels. For American literature, think of To Kill a Mockingbird and The Great Gatsby as standard bearers. For British literature think of 1984. You know, high school curriculum core that you turn your nose at anyway.
Also, most POC authors have not been partaking in the "1000 page postmodern meme novel" trend so if that's your standard of quality you will be disappointed.
Also there are a metric fuckton more of white women that could be listed.
>British
Olaudah Equiano
Salman Rushdie
Zadie Smith
Kazuo Ishiguro
Ma Jian
>American
Frederick Douglass
W.E.B. DuBois
Langston Hughes
Zora Neale Hurston
Richard Wright
James Baldwin
John Okada
August Wilson
Toni Morrison
Amy Tan
Junot Diaz
Colson Whitehead

>> No.19171502

>>19171432
>Can anyone here actually name one non-white author who was as significant as someone like Shakespeare
>dante
>cervantes
>montaigne
>muhammad
i can name lots

>> No.19171508

>>19171502
>cervantes
>Dante
Que?
Also muhamed didn't write the quran according to him he only wrote it down.

>> No.19171517

>>19171508
>>cervantes
>>Dante
op asked for non white authors as significant as shakespeare, i gave him non white authors as significant as shakespeare. is it hard t understand?

>> No.19171520

>>19171432
>So my sister teaches English Literature at a private school and was complaining about the abundance of White Male authors on the curriculum
Sorry to hear your sister is a dumbass race traitor. My condolences. I recommend you disown her, so you don't have to bare the shame of sharing your family name with her and for your own happiness.
Don't listen to >>19171448 he's a nigger. He feels an obligation to try and destroy your culture for the benefit of his own.

>> No.19171528

>>19171517
Date and cervantes are white. This is just anglo autism. Name Chinese writers or if you want to go arabic then the thousand and one nights.

>> No.19171530

>>19171520
some anon is going to unironically ruin his family because some random stranger on the internet told him to

>> No.19171535

>>19171528
kek keep telling urself that
both of them were good writers, yes, but sadly they werent white. that shouldnt make u stop wanting to read them tho.

>> No.19171542

>>19171535
Dude, I am not white I don't have a horse in this race. But wanna know who definitely was white cervantes and dante italians and spaniards are white.

>> No.19171544

>>19171530
If being around people makes you unhappy you should not be around them. Prolonging contact with people you know to be dishonorable will only bring anguish and ruin, not only upon your life, but upon your soul and being. You would do well not to pick up habits from people who are not honorable.
When you are older, you will see the wisdom in these words.

>> No.19171550

>>19171542
ive been to italy and spain, i loved those places and still have friends from there. i love them to death, but they arent white. and neither are cervantes nor dante. its not a big deal, it literally is not. race doesnt impact on a writers talent.
stop being so obsessed about it

>> No.19171557

The best non-white literature is mostly stuff from Ancient India or Central Asia/Near East. Japan has good stuff too if you're a weeb.
I don't know why she would expect there to be any good literature from non-whites in English when they've only been speaking it for a few hundred years, and writing for even less.

>> No.19171566

>>19171432
Greeks, Romans, Americans, Nips, Chinks, that should be enough. Aw yeah, Ruskies.

>> No.19171574

>>19171566
I forgot Mick authors, such as Joyce.

>> No.19171578
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>>19171550
He's from Tuscany but looks Turkish/Sicilian if anything, depends on each person if they consider that white or not.

>> No.19171592

James Joyce

>> No.19171606

>>19171432
Outside of a few Japanese men there are no non-white authors worth reading. There are also only a handful of white female authors worth reading.

>> No.19171608

>>19171432
>Selection Bias as Ontology
>Bateman pic
yeah sorry, you're retarded

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19171612

>>19171502those damn swarthy southern europeans

>> No.19171613

>>19171578
he literally looks middle eastern bro

>> No.19171616

Tell her to kill herself for being so obsessed with race rather than prose.

>> No.19171659

>>19171432
>Can anyone here actually name one non-white author who was as significant as someone like Shakespeare?
No. Not in British literature. For great non-white writers before the modern era, you have to go to Japan (e.g. Lady Murasaki), China (e.g. Shi Nai'an, if he wrote Water Margin), India (e.g. whoever compiled the Ramayana), the Middle East (Muhammed, the suspended poems, Gilgamesh).

>> No.19171677

>>19171659
>the Middle East (Muhammed
I thought it was common knowledge that the so-called prophet muhammed didn't write the quran, that was done by his close associates. Muhammad himself was illiterate. He could not write or read. A good leader, yes, he was basically the arab's Julius Caesar, but a writer? Not one ounce.

>> No.19171682

>>19171484
only good reply in a sea of shit posts

>> No.19171718

>>19171432
Cervantes wasn’t white you faggot.

>> No.19171725

>>19171432
The Greeks, the Italians, the Irish, and so on

>> No.19171795

>>19171484
Of course you missed the best poc American author: Ralph Ellison. By design? Also Charles Johnson is a better writer than over half of those you list.

>> No.19171807

>>19171432
There are great non-White authors, the problem is they're not black and "Diversity" really 100% about black people. The goal is to make black people feel better about their relative lack of accomplishments; reading V.S. Naipaul isn't going to do that.

>> No.19171846
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19171846

how could we have forgotten such african literary classics as
>"Ooga Booga, a Snake Bit My Dick!"
>"Where Da White Women At?"
>"The Life and Opinions of Jamal"
>"Chucking Spears: A Step by Step Guide"
>"Black Panther: The Novelization"
>"Nuffin’ and Punishment"
>"Kang Lear"
>"One Hundred Years of Fried Chicken"
>"The Grape Soda of Wrath"
>"A Tale of Two Mudhuts"
>Blood Muhdickian
>A Finna to Arms
>Skin of Darkness
>Da Bruthas Kangazmaov
>Pride and Predjudice (the predjudice part being against NIGGERS that is)
>Annaynay Kareninquanda
>In Search of Lost Crime
>The Scarlet Durag
>Jane AYYO
>Finnegan is Woke
>As I lay Jivin’
>The Great Gatt
>Lolieesha
>Where da Little Wimmin at?
>The Count of MLK Boulevard
>The Incarceration Rate Also Rises
>To the Traphouse
>The Call of my Dealer
>The Wind in The Ghettos
>The Trial (but this time it’s anciry district court and the defendant is BLACK)
>20000 leagues across the Atlantic
>the unbearable aightness of being
>”muhbig dick” or “the jail”
>The Kang in YOLO
>infinite theft
>The Hood trilogy : Negromancer, Caliph Zero, Monaleesha Overdrive
>A Portrait of the Hoodrat as a Young Nigga
>Detroiters
>Ulickdeez
>Steal the tiger
>catch-25-to-life
>To Fry a Chicken-Bird
>The Mad-Smart Nigga Dishawn Quixotarius of L.A. Manch(ester Square)
>Joints of Grass
>A Mix-Tape for Leibowitz
>The Massa and Makemesquirta
>Patrick Leighricious Fermorius: A Time of Gibs, Between the Upper West Side and the Water, The Broken Home
>The Tragedy of Niglet, Prince of Newark
>The Compton Rose
>The Wind’s Four Quarter Ounces

>> No.19171856

>>19171432
>good writers who weren’t white
Joyce
Dostoevsky
Tolstoy
Cervantes
Dante

>> No.19171937

>>19171856
/pol/ is one helluva drug

>> No.19171970

>>19171856
You are truly a retard.

>> No.19171979

>>19171846
Incredibly BASED.

>> No.19172004

>>19171856
cringe

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19172010

This thread is stupid.

>> No.19172024

>>19171846

>A Mixtape For Leibowitz
Kek

>> No.19172053

>>19171432
Don Quixote is probably the best novel ever written and Cervantes is non white. That’s my personal feeling anyway, as a white man. Plus the backstory to its creation is pretty great. Like Hitler, Cervantes toiled in jail to produce great writing.

>> No.19172090

>>19171432
why does Marcus Halberstram have a cadillac with an Ontario license plate? What, did he think we were not going to know, blocking out Ontario but not "yours to discover", what a loser

>> No.19172139

>>19171432
Obv no. There have been no nonwhite contributions to English literature of similar stature to Shakespeare. Any serious English literature course should overwhelmingly read white men. Of course, there are exceptions. Chinua Achebe comes to mind. His "Things Fall Apart" is a fantastic read and showcases the morally gray nature of colonialism, as opposed to the oikophobic stance that libs tend to take on historical western actions.

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>>19171846
>the call of my dealer
>Infinite Theft
>The count of MLK Boulevard

>> No.19172151

>>19171528
Cervantès was a Jew.

>> No.19172272

>>19171444
Exactly. Even though I'm not white this is ridiculous. But I think she actually got upset by the "male part"... Am I right OP?
Your sister is a retard pinkhat.

>> No.19172307

Tell your sister she's being brainwashed and that she's stupid. Don't let up. Break her conditioning, even if you have to make her cry.

>> No.19172312

>>19171677
yep, I should have said whoever compiled the Quran

>> No.19172377

>>19172312
But the quran is garbage. Just because they were good writers(compared to the average arab at the time) doesn't mean it's a good work of literature. Only 60,000 words, less than a tenth of the length of the bible, and it's mostly cherrypicking and copying off of local myths, folklore, and the greek translated bible.

>> No.19172496

>>19172377

> Criticizes books base on amount of words they contain
> Thinks he could read a book without opening it

> Thinks that he, a 20 year old basement dweller, know more than billions of people over about 1400 years.

You're a retard son of a retard. You're basically a result of a retarded lineage.

>> No.19172610

>>19171937
>>19171970
>>19172004
>micks Slavs spics and wops are white
Why did America trick people into thinking this?

>> No.19172726

>>19171856
BASED

>> No.19172731

>>19171484
Good post.
>>19171795
Not him, but I assume he just didn't think of him off the top of his head, and didn't mean to slight him.

>> No.19172805

>>19171557
heian japanese and ancient chinese poetry + epics are very nice

>> No.19173166

>>19171846
You trippin'
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>> No.19174536

>>19172731
>off the top of his head
I don't think so simply because his '1000 page meme novel' *overstatement* would in fact apply to both Ellison and Johnson. The omission of Ellison's a joke because whatever his 'color status' he's nonetheless one of the top ten *American* novelists anyway

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>>19171432
why does she care... I never understand people that care about stuff like that to that point... especially non poc people, is she trying to virtue signal "I'm so open minded that I teach kids non huwait man authors" ?

at least from non western stand point it seems too bizarre, since people around the globe, including here, if anything, take pride in the abundance of authors that come from one's nation

>> No.19176084

>>19172151
>Cervantès was a Jew.
Source?

>> No.19176160

>>19172496
He's right though.
>>19172377
75% of the Qur'an is rehashes of Judaism, Christian apocrypha and Arab tribal lore. It's full of lurid descriptions of hellfire and exhortations to believe and obey the Messenger (Muhammad).

And in reply you can only manage insults.

>> No.19176209

>>19171432
You're not wrong though? It's a white language, it's great works will be primarily white, men and women
If she wants non whites she should look at other nations canon. Maybe teach the Tale of Genji rather than complaining about how there's too many white peopl?

>> No.19176210

>>19172496
>Thinks that he, a 20 year old basement dweller, know more than billions of people over about 1400 years.
Billions of arabs? Nigger, are you retarded? And furthermore, to quote the bible, you shall know a good tree by it's fruits. If it produces good fruit, it's a good tree. If it produces bad fruit, it's a bad tree. Even pagan Rome had higher morality, living standards, wealth, and higher standards of education than any caliphate. The greeks produced of literature so great, part of the so-called 'islamic golden age' is them looting greek and roman texts from catholic monasteries and abbeys, translating them to arabic, then claiming to have invented algebra. You're the result of a retarded lineage, desert dweller. And in case you don't know, yes, Rome and Greece are older than 1400 years.

>> No.19176353

Pushkin was mixed and he's pretty big in Russia.

>> No.19176441

>>19171484
Everyone one of those you listed if considered categorically the same as (ethnically) English authors (i.e. the people whose language they are using) could only ever be pretty generic or bad.

As it stands there's almost none comparable to native authors but if English weren't the world's common language it would be even worse. What would these ideologues do then? They desperately cling to crap as it stands. I wonder about other languages that are only spoken by natives. No doubt even the smallest ones suffer the same nonsensical, hateful rhetoric.

Recently I've been reading Xiaolu Guo, who is a Chinese woman who writes in English (often slightly broken English to some degree). It's interesting to consider the relationship they have with English as their second language. This is different a non-white native Englishspeaker who merely uses it as marketing and has no unique existence or relationship to the language separate. It's gotten pretty bad, because recognition is based on everything but the writing, you almost have to not even try to read them.

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>>19176353
Well, Pushkin had an African great-grandfather. I guess that qualifies as mixed.
Alexander Dumas' grandmother was an enslaved black woman on Sante Dominique/Haiti. So mixed, too. Does this mean he should primarily be seen as black?

>> No.19176738

>>19176617
The criteria was "non-white".

>> No.19176899

>>19176617
to Americans yes.

>> No.19176926

>>19171432
The Irish are British niggers, and all burgers are shitskins, there are plenty to chose from

>> No.19176927

>>19175655
It's a teen phase
Like all the losers here who go on and on about Evola or Guenon

>> No.19176937

is your sis cute

>> No.19177130

>>19171856
>>19171502
>>19171566
These + Lope de Vega, Petrarca, Boccaccio, Guimarães Rosa, Camões, basically all troubadours, Proust, Borges, Kafka, Calderon de la Barca, Quevedo, Victor Hugo, Stendhal...

>> No.19177144

>>19171528
Cervantes was enslaved by the Arabs for some time.

>> No.19177157

>>19171846
I FUCKING LOVE THIS PLACE

>> No.19177181

>>19171432
Benjamin Disraeli
Noreena Hertz
Chapman Cohen
Grace Aguilar
Alain de Botton
Sidney Lee
Fredric Warburg
Amy Levy

Many jews in English literature after the fucker Cromwell let them back into England.

>> No.19177208

>young women are retarded
surprise

the really sad part is we have allowed jews and masons to subvert society to the point that their opinion is treated as equal to or greater than that of a respectable adult male with experience in life and actual knowledge. these are the very final stages of the kali yuga my friends.

>> No.19177221

>>19171444
Embarrassed to say I hadn't noticed this before. Why can't we have anything?

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>>19175655
it is evil. these people are brainwashed to hate their ancestors. they use emotional propaganda to do this, like telling all these young impressionable, compassionate girls things like:
>DID YOU KNOW BLACK PEOPLE WERE CONSIDERED SUBHUMAN RETARDS AT ONE POINT
>DID YOU KNOW BLACK PEOPLE WERE USED AS SLAVES AND WHIPPED
>DID YOU KNOW THEY HAD A SPECIAL WORD TO KEEP THEM DOWN CALLED "NIGGERS"?
then my sister comes homes crying telling the family how she hates all of us and that we're all racist. of course all of this is true to some extent, but they don't say anything more than that, like explaining how all people were treated throughout history or how actually slaves in the US were materially better off than they were in africa, and frame them as poor helpless victims, as if they were little children and white people were evil psychopaths just wanting to harm them. it is so small-minded. but i mean this is what happens when you allow a bunch of jews and freemasons to take over your country and let them dominate virtually all fields of your civilisation towards their own delusional ends. really look into what the freemasons like manly p hall promote. you will realise this is their work.

this is a cancer unique to the West btw. other civilizations have their struggles of course, but this sort of anti-traditional subversion on a civilisational scale is different as far as I know.

If you're non-white and appreciate the white Western countries you live in you should help us fight this. Sure, we may want to maintain our ethnic homogeneity to the extent that it is still possible, but Western values are openly being destroyed by sneaking rats and the end result is going to be much worse than whatever country you fled to the West from. This is beyond racial conflicts, and I say this as an ethnic nationalist. It is time for the men possessing an Aryan spirit to rise up and crush the enemies of truth and the light, which is love and beauty.

>> No.19177252

>>19176927
Tradchads are absolutely dominating /lit/. You are stuck in your beta/teen phase.