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[Anonymous No.19166631]

Other than Schopenhauer who talks about the role art plays in our lives? I don't mean in a philosophical aesthetics language type way but in a literally how it plays in a role in our life like getting up and going to a concert and what this means to us and how we live according beauty and how our societies should be run according beauty. I've read almost all of Aesthetic philosophy and 99.9% of it does not go over this aspect

[Anonymous No.19166675]

>>19166631
getting up and going to a concert means nothing to me.

[Anonymous No.19166679]

>>19166675
That's not exactly what I meant but I'll ask why not anyways?

[Anonymous No.19166686]

>>19166631
>books on how we live according beauty and how our societies should be run according beauty?
>no not aesthetics please

[Anonymous No.19166696]

>>19166631
Art and Artist by Otto Rank
It's extremely dense. Extremely

[Anonymous No.19166731]

>>19166679
but it is exactly what you wrote. Nothing means anything to mean, thats why. It is just noise. waves.

[Anonymous No.19166733]

>>19166686
If you actually read aesthetics it's mostly just discussions on language and epistemology. Other than maybe a sentence or two here Schopenhauer is really the only that goes into how art plays a direct role in our lives.

[Anonymous No.19166743]

first sociologist of music: max weber
arnold gehlen had some bigger theory about anaesthetic function of art consooming
relevant but disrecommended: adorno, because he's wrong or disingenuous about pretty much everything

[Anonymous No.19166756]

>>19166733
Well if you really want to get art you need to start with the caves. Read The Cradle of Humanity by Bataille

[Anonymous No.19166805]

>>19166696
To be sure the book is about art - artist - audience (aesthetic pleasure). But it is also a book about the human existential condition - domination of the social over the individual - our limited capacity of knowledge (i.e. personal epistemological doubt) - the indifference of nature toward human existence (i.e. ontological terror) - the possibility of overcoming these human existential restrictions.

Actually, Rank articulates the impossibility of escaping socio-cultural domination, epistemological doubt, and ontological terror, in our corporal form. Hence human beings escape into speculation into non-corporal form, via the process of creation, play, and the pleasure of the aesthetic as a latent promise of, or possibility for, immortality.

In the first four chapters Rank is dealing with the relationship between the individual and society. Rank argues that human beings always necessarily exist and develop in a social context; hence individuals necessarily develop a cultural consciousness. Once an individual becomes aware of their culturally determined consciousness, consequently cultural determined motivation, there can emerge an interest in the discovery of the self, i.e. who we are beyond our cultural determination.

The Artist, much like the individual generally, is a cultural phenomenon. Her or his Art must begin and be articulated as a historical genre. At the same time Artists often attempt to reach beyond genre, i.e. beyond their cultural condition. This is the Artist's attempt to discover the self, beyond the culturally determined self.

Chapters five through ten are historical and anthropological chapters. Here Rank is attempting to show that human beings have historically had a deep interest to understand beyond our cultural relativity, as an immortal spiritual self (importantly, Rank never claims this proves that the human soul is immortal, but more humbly, human psychological health seems to have historically depended on such a belief). The aesthetic expresses beauty, the non-corporal, and ultimately according to Rank, the possibility, and only the possibility, of immortality.

Chapter eleven through fourteen are then addressing Beauty and Truth as beyond the culturally relative; why the Artist attempts to escape historical genres, while also being pulled back by interpretation as "genre"; why social success of the Artist is a type of internal and spiritual failure; and finally the urge toward creativity and the process of creation itself is an urge for personal redemption.

It should not be forgotten this is a book of human social theory. Rank wants to understand the aesthetic from the perspectives of both the artist and audience, but also from a historical perspective or art history/genre, and from a philosophical perspective Beauty, Truth, and the urge for Immortality.

[Anonymous No.19166845]

>>19166805
This book would be good if they didn't write in such a posturing pseud way

[Anonymous No.19166879]

>>19166845
Otto Rank? He published it in 1932

[Anonymous No.19166885]

>>19166879
And?

[Anonymous No.19166898]

>>19166885
Pseuds didn't exist back then, not in Germany at least

[Anonymous No.19166911]

>>19166898
Pseuds existed among the cavemen

[Anonymous No.19166942]

>>19166911
Ugg.

[Anonymous No.19167825]

>>19166805
Isnt this the nigga who told Nin to fuck her father?

[Anonymous No.19167928]

>>19166631
Jung

[Anonymous No.19168964]

>>19167825
>Nin
whomst?