/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.19165884]

Isn't nationalism just something you reach out for when you are empty inside and have nothing else to cling to?

[Anonymous No.19165887]

>>19165884
no

[Anonymous No.19165888]

>>19165884
Depends what kind of nationalism.

[Anonymous No.19165889]

Yes

[Anonymous No.19165891]

>>19165884
Why do you say that? What do the non-nationalists cling to?

[Anonymous No.19165912]

In the case of pic related, his “nationalism” was specifically a religious, cultural, and even artistic form of nationalism. What he was interested in was not merely a politically powerful Japan, or a homogenous Japan, or vague Japaneseness, but specifically a Japan where life itself is art. That’s the same Japan that Joseph Campbell got to experience, and wrote about as such.

[Anonymous No.19165916]

>>19165891
Yo mama's tits

[Anonymous No.19165921]

>/lit/ - Election Tours & Travel Agency

[Anonymous No.19165922]

>>19165891
They search for truth and achieve choiceless awareness

[Anonymous No.19165923]

>>19165884
No it's something that happens when you are happy and filled with soul and realize the people around you are soulless and Nationalism is the only way to fix society and bring back soul to the masses.

[Anonymous No.19165932]

>>19165922
Kek sure they do

[Anonymous No.19165933]

>>19165923
>ismism is just things that I like
>if we made everyone do the things I like it would save humanity

[Anonymous No.19165936]

it just has it's own type of complacency. most of the writers who pointed it out, were still nationalists.

[Anonymous No.19165939]

>>19165884
Is wanting the best for your family something you reach out for when you're empty inside and have nothing else to cling to? Nationalism is just the natural extension of familiar love.
As for your pic related, his nationalism and his death was more of an artistic performance than a political act.

[Anonymous No.19165942]

>>19165933
We can look at what makes people happy and it's a sense of community. A sense of history. It gives you meaning. Read Bowling Alone. Read the reasons why suicide and depression rates are so high. Nationalism is the only fix to the problems of the modern world. No one else is dealing with these problems but the right.

[Anonymous No.19165955]

>>19165884
>Isn't nationalism just something you reach out for when you are empty inside and have nothing else to cling to?
Nope. It's hedonism.

[Anonymous No.19165959]

>>19165942
Can you explain what you mean or are you just trained to preach the gospel of your favorite eceleb podcaster? You can have a community without "nationalism;" nationalism actually plays a highly disruptive role in communities since it attempts to impose an imagined or composite cultural and linguistic uniformity across a territory c.p. history of nationalism in France, Italy, Spain etc. anywhere really

[Anonymous No.19165977]

>>19165959
I feel there's no good faith in this thread.
It's just a globohomo/glowie.

[Anonymous No.19165987]

>>19165959
>plays a highly disruptive role in communities
wrong thread bro:
>>19165815

[Anonymous No.19165992]

lol

[Anonymous No.19165993]

No, that's communism.

[Anonymous No.19166002]

>>19165959
Mass immigration destroys communities and we can see that anywhere it's happened. At best ethnicities create their own enclaves which have a sense of community but once everyone starts mixing the sense of community is lost and studies have been done on this. Another problem is just all the negatives of mass immigration like the massive increase in crime. Imagine how great it feels that you can leave your baby on the sidewalk in Norway and leave your bike unlocked without worry because you know you can trust the citizens of your country but once mass immigration comes and robberies and rape increase by 500% and none of your neighbors speak English and you have to worry about walking down the street at night it changes the way everyone lives. This is just mass immigration though there are hundreds of other reasons why Nationalism helps. Think of the culture. There was a time when people felt German and had a great sense of history. They read all the German author and philosophers. They wrote music for Germans. There is just a deep connection to your country. A national identity. Something to work towards and a sense of community with your fellow citizens. What happens when everything becomes globalization. There is no more German. Everything is meaningless. Americanization floods your country and there is no longer any history. No identity. Everything becomes just mindless consumerism. It's soulless.

[Anonymous No.19166009]

>>19165884
>Isn't nationalism just something you reach out for when you are empty inside and have nothing else to cling to?
>nationalism as a political system
no, as a political goal/tool its very good for enhancing social cohesion and the strength of a polity, it also has some basis in truth in the way that it unites people under something shared thats tangible even to lay people, whether that is language, culture, or even race
>nationalism as a personality trait where autistic neets live vicariously through their ancestors and the past achievements of the group they are a part of despite having nothing to do with it because they themselves have accomplished nothing
yes its for empty people
Mishima was mostly the former but a bit the latter.
>>19165923
artificially generated nationality is beyond pathetic, like pagan revivalists

[Anonymous No.19166016]

>>19166009
How do you have authentic nationality?

[Anonymous No.19166017]

>>19165959

>dude tradition is fake and not real and we need to accept more low IQ brown immigrants otherwise our country will fail
>I know because Professor Noseberg told me!

[Anonymous No.19166038]

>>19166002
Regardless of your value judgments, why do you think you can wind the clock backwards? What is this, shogun-era Japan? You think you can undo the global economy to get the 1870-1910s back, before nationalism imploded itself and gave us internationalism? As it turns out, most people don't care to return to whatever it is you think you're selling. They like having cheaper goods and services and the conveniences of integrated global supply chains, labor, etc. They like not being conscripted to fight over patches of dirt. They like moving another exit down the highway for "good schools." They like hiring foreign-born people to do manual and menial work on the cheap. And if they don't like these things, maybe they ought to become subsistence farmers. Because they certainly haven't put their foot down to defend "nationalism" or a sense of community derived from it.

[Anonymous No.19166041]

>>19166009
>artificially generated nationality
He doesn't know

[Anonymous No.19166045]

>>19166016
its the culture and language of a polity that develops organically, also it must be factored that this polity is to some extent centralised so that these things aren't regionalised
>>19165959
is a retard who willfully ignores that many places (especially germany) formed together out of a genuine sharing of traits and culture relative to the surrounding areas

[Anonymous No.19166046]

>>19166017
Neither you nor your parents nor your grandparents cared enough to crash your empire to save their provincial existences

[Anonymous No.19166048]

>>19166038
This is some next level jewposting.

[Anonymous No.19166051]

>>19166046
109 times is about to become 110 real soon. Just warning you in advance so it won't be a shock when it happens.

[Anonymous No.19166055]

>>19166045
>willfully ignores that many places (especially germany) formed together out of a genuine sharing of traits and culture
You are historically illiterate and not worth talking to. Germany did not form by sharing and caring like they were in some pre-K

[Anonymous No.19166057]

>>19166038
>Because they certainly haven't put their foot down to defend "nationalism" or a sense of community derived from it.
Are you sure?

[Anonymous No.19166059]

>>19166048
>>19166051
Election tourist cope.

[Anonymous No.19166061]

>but muh authenticity
nothing is authentic, but what it was meant to prevent is damn fucking authentic.

>they are tearing up the pavement of society. and it's like someone left a note on the back side of the stones with the message: "we know it's imperfect, but we built it with the best intentions... good luck".
t. hebbel

[Anonymous No.19166072]

>>19166038
I'm not a trad larper trying to bring us back to the 13th century. You can use 21st century policy to try to fix the problems of the modern world. You don't have to just accept Globalization, consumerism, and mass immigration.
>As it turns out, most people don't care to return to whatever it is you think you're selling.
Record number of suicide and depressions tell us otherwise. The elites convinced the masses that hedonism and nihilism is the only way in life. Even though the masses don't know this it's why they feel so bad.
> They like having cheaper goods and services and the conveniences of integrated global supply chains, labor, etc.
Most people would spend a little extra if it meant they had a sense of a community and purpose. Even though it's convenient would you like to see all the small business in the world destroyed and nothing exist except Walmart and Amazon? Such a soulless existence.
>They like hiring foreign-born people to do manual and menial work on the cheap.
Americans used to do this work and they used to get paid a lot. You used to be able to afford a house and college education on minimum wage. This all changed after 1965 for some mysterious reason.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_Nationality_Act_of_1965

[Anonymous No.19166107]

>>19166072
Yeah I'm aware of the opioid crisis and the immigration act. I'm asking you how being an ismist is going to solve this since no one cares about the "solutions" you have. You won't get half the population to deport the other half and then march on the Cayman Islands to dismantle international finance. These are silly little ideas for people useful only a bogeymen for their own enemies.

[Anonymous No.19166120]

>>19166107
>I'm asking you how being an ismist is going to solve this
Honest question.
Do you think you're above politics?

[Anonymous No.19166137]

>>19166120
What is politics to someone without a net worth of at least $10MM? I'd bet you probably live somewhere whose local council or mayor runs effectively unopposed.

[Anonymous No.19166142]

>>19166107
This type of hopeless thinking is why the elite will fuck us for the rest of eternity because pussy faggots like you will just open your asshole and let them fuck you because "hey what else can I do?" Although I can understand this because it is basically hopeless and unlikely to change because the masses are sheep and just fall for whatever CNN/Fox News tell them. The best we can do is hope for incremental change and continue to fight. There are places in the world that are able to actually enact serious chance and I root for those people. Just because it's unlikely that you will free yourself from the chains of the basement of the rapist serial killer doesn't mean you have to change your mind and consider it a good thing that he is raping you.

[Anonymous No.19166144]

>>19166055
>deliberately misinterpreting my use of language
they formed because the former states of the HRE mostly SHARED a language and culture that was distinct from the other polities in the region. they also SHARED foreign interests in who they conflicted with, Bismarck's politicking was shady and exploitative but he didn't get the southern german states to join prussia by outright annexing them and forcing them to learn german, they were already german

[Anonymous No.19166155]

Nationalism is cool when you live in a country with actual history (Japan).
Nationalism as a burger is straight up fucking cringe. What are you supporting exactly? Corporations? Government?

[Anonymous No.19166166]

>>19166137
>What is politics to someone without a net worth of at least $10MM?
Are you an anti-democratic or something?
Give me something. Disclose your political leaning.

[Anonymous No.19166180]

>>19166166

[Anonymous No.19166181]

>>19166144
Berlin is on land that was formerly Slavic linguistically. Obviously there is a little more going on here than sharing and caring. The Prussians replacing the Austrians as masters of central Europe was facilitated by a shared linguistic community, but that itself was only a by product of the previous history. And that period of German unification has now been replaced by gastarbeiter programs and reuinification.

[Anonymous No.19166185]

>>19166120
Honest question, do you think the political opinions of individuals even matter in the grand scheme?

[Anonymous No.19166191]

>>19165884
>when you are empty inside and have nothing else to cling to
I'd cling to him and fill him up inside if you know what I mean.

I'd fuck the fascism out of him.

[Anonymous No.19166193]

>>19166142
Keep shit posting on 4chan then. You sure are accomplishing a lot.
Can you not see how you are only blackening your soul with hatred and gaining nothing in return? Talk about hopeless thinking.

>There are places in the world that are able to actually enact serious chance and I root for those people
Lmao. Where?

[Anonymous No.19166202]

>>19166191
Fascism is just repressed homoeroticism so you'll make him even more of a fascist if anything.

[Anonymous No.19166204]

>>19166185
How do you think identity politics and cancel culture entered the mainstream? Do you think the elite wanted to be outed as pedophiles and rapists? Do you think they want to make LGBT ads? This is just one example of how individuals can change society. It's just sad it was the left that won because IDPOL is powerful but ultimately useless in enacting any real change. It's still change done by individuals.

[Anonymous No.19166206]

>>19166142
>There are places in the world that are able to actually enact serious chance and I root for those people
Ok so you just blow hot air as a cope. I figured you had no solution. You don't sound like a millionaire anyway, ie someone who solves the problem of not being rich so they can solve other problems and goals in their life beyond eating and shitting and seething.
>>19166180
Very cool alignment. Not too fringe but also not too middle of the road. I'd say its about equally between two points.
>>19166166
I am a radical financialist. If you can't pay for your idea it's not yours.

[Anonymous No.19166217]

>>19166193
I didn't claim that I was changing the world. It's just my attitude isn't defeatist. Why would you want to take it in the ass and say thank you? "Yes Elite you have won I bow down. Just give me internet and you can have my soul I don't even need it."
>Lmao. Where?
Eastern Europe mainly where you can beat women and they don't let immigrants in

[Anonymous No.19166220]

>>19166204
>Do you think the elite wanted to be outed
Every elite ever has been... start with the greeks, election tourist

[Anonymous No.19166221]

There are many kinds of relationships to nationalism and types of nationalism. But generally-speaking in a culture that is strong and coherent, nationalism is the norm and not at all something you 'cling to'. If this is lacking then you invite decay/stagnation, fetishising foreigners and foreign things, and perhaps self-loathing.

Westerners are more nationalistic than they admit to themselves. Because it's seen as untrendy or bad. But it is more of an artificial kind that is likewise discarded and fanatically asserted whenever it suits the powerful.

[Anonymous No.19166226]

>>19166206
Bad bait

[Anonymous No.19166238]

>>19166217
>muh eastern europe
Oh that place where all the young people emigrate to Germany and England and the government has to bribe you to reproduce? Yes they're on very solid footing.

[Anonymous No.19166243]

>>19166226
This poster does not have a net worth of $10MM or greater. His politics are less important than who won today's football game

[Anonymous No.19166249]

>>19166217
I didnt say to be a defeatist. Im simply saying do more productive things with your time.
Politics is for low iq bugmen. Keep being entertained by the political circus bro, playing right into their hands.

[Anonymous No.19166269]

>>19166249
What that other dude is saying is that his time is so worthless the best way for him to advance is political concerns to chat anonymously with strangers on the literature board of 4channel. If his time were more valuable because he did something capable of generating more wealth for himself, he'd be able to direct that to influencing political outcomes instead of whining.

[Anonymous No.19166272]

isn't anti-nationalism just an instance of Theophrastus' obsequious man?

>He assures foreigners that they have a better case than his fellow-citizens.

[Anonymous No.19166273]

>>19166238
Hedonists exist everywhere. Let them leave.

[Anonymous No.19166281]

>>19166249
Why be entertained by the collapse of civilization? That's the most retarded shit I've ever heard.

[Anonymous No.19166283]

>>19166273
Uh oh, looks like you'll need to import people from the next shithole over to fund your pension programmes. If the Poles are already doing that for England, who will do that for Poland?

[Anonymous No.19166291]

>>19166185
>Honest question, do you think the political opinions of individuals even matter in the grand scheme?
Ask the french and their guillotines.
Ask the muslims and their bombs.
Ask your founding fathers.
Ask the people and their marches.

Otherwise, I ask you why there's people actively trying to desmobilize the few of us that still have a conscience and energy to act if we're NOT really a threat?
Who they serve?
What interests they have?
We're just a bunch of madmen preaching to the wind, what evil can we really do if (their) victory is so surely assured?

[Anonymous No.19166302]

>>19166283
You only need to import people because the elite control your society and they allow mass immigration to not have to pay natives real wages. This problem doesn't really exist. It's why someone on minimum wage could afford a house in the US in years before 1965.

[Anonymous No.19166307]

>>19165884
That's the case for few. For most they are just retarded and tasteless.

[Anonymous No.19166325]

>>19166291
But you aren't really a threat. You're the monster of the week of the news cycle. Your grievances and the frequently ghoulish ways you manifest them are necessary to selling the very system you despise. It's like how in between stories on the news about how violent criminals are killed by the police, you are reminded to get a credit card, take a trip, and lease a new car. Rebellion is a consumer good for surplus people.

[Anonymous No.19166352]

>>19166291
You're a threat to your immediate surroundings, not to the system at large. The radical opens fire on like 20 people then gets put down - picayune in the scheme, tragic to the community. And all in a backwards attempt to regress to a period where prosperity came from great wealth and little demand rather than funneling the wealth back into the populace. The right will never stop peddling this idea of recreating a sudden gold rush and yet every statesman knows its impossible. No one moves towards autarky for that reason.

[Anonymous No.19166361]

>>19166302
Well if you want to replace that elite you should become an activist investor and buy their senators so you can vote to destroy them, like what's happening on the boards of oil and gas majors.

[Anonymous No.19166419]

>>19166291
>>19166325
>>19166352
>>19166325
>But you aren't really a threat. You're the monster of the week of the news cycle.
I'm NOT telling anon to be schoolshooters, I'm telling them to keep alive and be a threat to their political system, talking to one another (like we are doing here) in a way that might help others to reach a higher political or religious conscience eventually.
This stuff we're doing here right now is a political act (believe it or not).
There's much more to be done than this surely, but that's already a beggining.
Anything is better than letting them in permanent marasmus.

[Anonymous No.19166426]

>>19166419
>talking to one another (like we are doing here) in a way that might help others to reach a higher political or religious conscience eventually.
Poor person cope. Sorry. You need to start buying congresspeople and maybe I'll weigh what you have to say against the other rent-a-senators.

[Anonymous No.19166478]

>>19166426
>Poor person cope. Sorry. You need to start buying congresspeople and maybe I'll weigh what you have to say against the other rent-a-senators.
Not everyone is a murrican, anon. And there's people in this world (living rn) that would rather die than live like you, and I love them for that.
Isn't that powerful?

[Anonymous No.19166490]

>>19166478
It's definitely more powerful to have resources and continue living.

[Anonymous No.19166502]

>>19166291
>french revolution
Youre really going to use that as an example in support of nationalism? Holy fuck anon.

[Anonymous No.19166536]

>>19166502
Why not?

[Anonymous No.19166537]

>>19165884
Yes, but you can say that about all political ideologies
They're all ultra gay

[Anonymous No.19166543]

>>19166490
>It's definitely more powerful to have resources and continue living.
As a person you might be right, but as a nation definitely NOT.
But maybe you're too much of a cynical american individualist to see.
Answer me this:
Would you die or go to jail for someone you love?
What about an ideal?


>>19166502
>Youre really going to use that as an example in support of nationalism? Holy fuck anon.
Nope. I'm gonna use that as an example of political change.

[Anonymous No.19166545]

>>19165959
They think nationalism is something traditional lol baby steps

[Anonymous No.19166549]

>>19166543
>>19166291
What manner of reddit spacing is this?

[Anonymous No.19166556]

>>19166549
>What manner of reddit spacing is this?
The manner of fuck ya, you can't answer my question.

[Anonymous No.19166654]

>>19166543
I don't think in terms of nation as an emotional attachment that replaces family and friends, ie. a real community, so no I wouldn't really want to die for the government like some bugperson. The government already takes about a third or a fourth of my quantified power away from me anyway, I should at least be allowed to keep my life to enjoy and dispose the remainder.

[Anonymous No.19166698]

>>19165884
Idk I just don’t like Jews

[Anonymous No.19166701]

>>19166654
>I should at least be allowed to keep my life to enjoy and dispose the remainder.
Again, maybe an alien concept for you:
But there's people in this world that are much more concerned about HOW they live, than IF they live or not (And I'm not saying I'm necessarily one of these people, I have my doubts rn).
But don't you think that wanting to live anyway, no matter what, is the REAL bugmen move here?

[Anonymous No.19166708]

>>19165884
If I'm living in a nice place and pay taxes to a place and obey its laws, I at least don't want to see the place overrun with niggers or whatever. It's simple

[Anonymous No.19166739]

>>19166701
It is starting to sound like you get the nation you deserve. Maybe you ought to see if the people of North Korea or Tonga will be more amenable to your tastes.

[Anonymous No.19166788]

>>19166739
>Maybe you ought to see if the people of North Korea or Tonga will be more amenable to your tastes.
I'm just NOT thrilled to become America 2.0., but thanks.
And fuck the anglo!
You're welcome.

[Anonymous No.19166827]

>>19165884
that's a childish misview of things, given the emptiest people despise nationalism the very most and tend to turn to drugs and cheap consoomerism to fill the hole. nationalism comes from a wellspring of self-love, of love of your family, of love and pride in your city, your region, and your ancestral nation as a whole, of a desire to immerse in your own culture and find brotherhood with your fellows. it's the opposite of being "empty inside."

but you came here with disingenous intention stemming from your butthurt over /pol/ living rent free in your head, and wanted us to pat your ass and assure you that you're correct and your ideological enemies are just dummy poo poo heads. now that you have your answer, kindly leave.

[Anonymous No.19166947]

>>19166788
>he doesn't know about the America mk.6 project

[Anonymous No.19167144]

>>19165884
OP is a faggot
>Isn't projection just something you engage in when your mind is empty inside and you have nothing else to assert?
FTFY

[Anonymous No.19167433]

>>19165884
There is absolutely nothing you can cling to in this world, the average person will live and die feeling worthless, they will never see the fruits of their labor or have a sense of community, you can thank the globohmo for that, I'm not even a cringe trad try hard, I'm more of an American Isolitionist, we have most of what we really need here, most of the trade we do is just for the sake of vapid consumerism and getting away with awful labor practices, if you're a hard lefty I guess I should also throw in that it would probably be better for the environment, significantly reduced emissions and a greater incentive to take care of what's there, if corpo fucks up or acts irresponsibly it would be a very feasible idea to boycott, or at least make laws to prevent their shitty actions. I honestly see isolitionism as a great way to kill off much of America's cancer, I hope I live too see it, but I won't and I already know that.

[Anonymous No.19167464]

>>19167433
>entire world buys and tells US treasury bonds to fund our budget (which congresses raises the borrowing limit on without fail every time)
>we shud be eyesolayshinists who cares of we lose all that consooomer crap
Spoken like someone with no net worth whose political opinions are less relevant than who won last night's sporting event

[Anonymous No.19167500]

>>19166038
I pity you, to live in this kind of ignorance.

[Anonymous No.19167505]

>>19165884
nationalism is for losers.
Just ask yourself why are ultra-nationalists also massive homosexuals?

[Anonymous No.19167518]

>>19165922
HAHAHAHA FUCKING FAGGOT

[Anonymous No.19167519]

>>19167500
I would prefer to be your definition of ignorant than >>19167505 's definition of your definition of gnosis

[Anonymous No.19167520]

>>19166490
>It's definitely more powerful to have resources and continue living.
SOULLESS

[Anonymous No.19167522]

I remember growing up in the United States of America when I was 10. I had just stepped out of a shooting range, and a pretty girl the same age shyly held out her hand to me and asked me if I wanted to ride horses with her. "Achy Breaky Heart" was playing on the radio where we stopped to have Big Macs together. She never gave me her name, but told me a day to always meet her to hold hands and ride horses. I finally got her name a few months later - Barbara. We became close friends, but my parents took a job to Japan when we were 13, so I had to leave her, both of us in tears and snot. I would send her letter, and she would send letters back. At 22, she suddenly stopped mailing me. I thought she was gone.5 Months later, she was at my door in Japan, with her hand out to me when I opened the door. We're married in our 40's now and we've taken walks through multiple cities together across the world and we always stop someplace that has a Big Mac and play this song on our phone. Thank you Billy Ray Cyrus. Your Heart may be Achy Breaky, but mine is beautiful thanks to this song. If you see a middle-aged, morbidly obese couple with or without kids with them, holding hands and eating Big Macs in Arkansas at a McDonalds, its us.

[Anonymous No.19167533]

>>19167520
Another based and asset-less drone shilling for flavor of the month placeboism to cope with impotence

[Anonymous No.19167557]

>>19165884
I think nationalism/fascism is inevitably going to be the dominant form of government in the 22nd century. Look at climate change. It will force people in the billions to move to Europe and America. What will happen? Either the current inhabitants of these places will raise the walls and use brutal force to keep refugees back (in short, become nationalist), or they will be replaced by people who will do so. The ecological reality makes nationalism inevitable. Of course, if the climate crisis is averted, my hypothesis will be wrong, but I see no sign of that happening.

[Anonymous No.19167570]

>>19167533
no matter what regurgitated response you spew you have proven across this thread that you are an empty, nihilistic Bugman obsessed with material wealth and capital with nothing of character or depth to you. The fact that you pretend to be above politics or identity while using the monetary gains you claim to have as an excuse for this cynicism is hilarious when you consider that the only reason that the concept of your "net worth" has any value is due to the society that you inhabit having assigned value to it in the first place, the very society that you're oh so above and superior to. You're a LARPing narcissistic cad pretending that you're better than everyone else because you have more goy points than your fellow man with whom you share no compassion or empathy. Yours is a soulless bleak existence that ends with you hoarding your gold alone while clinging to your empty individualism, sneering bitterly at people that have passion for something greater than themselves or have any convictions/ideals whatsoever. The fate of every hedonist really in some form or another.

[Anonymous No.19167571]

>>19167522
That's an edited copypasta from a youtube comment section, from the song sukiyaki, right? Or maybe I'm getting it confused with Mariya Takeuchi. Either way, nice fucking pasta. From one anon to another, mad respect.

[Anonymous No.19167581]

>>19167557
>The ecological reality makes nationalism inevitable
There is no reason why this should be the case. The developed world hungers for immigrants. If anything, climate change will make nationalism impossible to even joke about reviving, since the average voter will be an immigrant or the children of

[Anonymous No.19167597]

>>19167570
I don't claim to have the wealth you imbecile. I claim that the absence of the wealth makes your political posturing presumptious and ineffective, and your doing so makes it blatantly obvious how minimally invested you actually are in the wellness of your community and the stability of society, since your assets are so minimal you can suggest deeply inflammatory civil-war trigger tier policies like mass expulsion, etc. You are "pretending that you're better than everyone else" because you have... opinions. Well that's wonderful, but how many senators have you bought?

[Anonymous No.19167609]

>>19167581
>The developed world hungers for immigrants
Correction: Billionaires and large tax-evading corporations hunger for underpaid, impossible-to-unionize labor.

[Anonymous No.19167610]

>>19167581
I don't think you appreciate the scale of climate change. 1 million refugees was enough to send Europe into turmoil and lead to the rise of right-wing movements. What do you think will happen when 1 billion people are trying to enter Europe, tens of millions a year? Not to be blunt, but they will be shot at the border. Hell, it might not even be Europe which does it, states like Turkey may have to do so anyway. They've already begun to do so on a small scale with Syrians who are trying to enter Turkey. And once the flood of refugees becomes unsustainable, these brutal solutions will become acceptable, even to the coddled neoliberal class. It's not business as usual where we need immigrants to keep things running. And mark my words, the sons and daughters of immigrants have no qualms about brutalizing would-be newcomers if that is what it takes to keep their living standards high.

[Anonymous No.19167629]

>>19167610
To sum it up: nationalism (whether civic or ethnic, it honestly doesn't matter) will be the only way for the political systems which enable the quality of life you are so fond of to continue. I believe both the elite and the masses will understand this, but if they do not, they will be replaced by hundreds of millions of refugees, and these people will enact a kind of nationalism of their own and close the door to Europe (and other places which will avoid the worst of climate change) behind them. Either way, nationalism wins.

[Anonymous No.19167638]

>>19165884
Nationalism is a tool for the intelligent powerful to control widits

[Anonymous No.19167639]

>>19165884
All heteronomous systems desire the abdication of autonomy; be it communism, socialism, feudalism, nationalism, fascism, etc. - all dominion of tepid minds. A creature that craves for such systems acquiesce their own sentients, rather finding commiseration and instantiation in the collective - resignation in the profundity of the geist. Unbeknownst to them, they are ruled by the machinations of the few; sophists and machiavellians dictate their lives, start to finish.

Fuck the external. Make your own path; make your own world.

[Anonymous No.19167642]

>>19165884
usually

[Anonymous No.19167658]

>>19167639
>Make your own path; make your own world
Unless you live like this guy:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCKkHqlx9dE
Then you're a hypocrite. You act like you're above the civilization that moulded you. You're not. You're a product made by it because it was more useful that you be than not be.

[Anonymous No.19167672]

>>19166202
>Fascism is just repressed homoeroticism so you'll make him even more of a fascist if anything.
>repressed
>repressed
>Klaus Theweleit (1977) Männerphantasien 1 & 2

You see bobby, when I fuck the fascism out of him, he stops being repressed and becomes HARD GAY, loves the devouring cunt of the void, and works to organise autogestation.

[Anonymous No.19167689]

>>19167658
Not civilization, but politico. What I'm saying is: carve your own desires and future. Don't be incumbent on the collective to accomplish your life goals and ambitions.

[Anonymous No.19167723]

>>19167610
>>19167629
You have a lot of faith in the government efficiently solving a problem. Also if you're lumping civic nationalism in with nationalism nationalism, every extant government, even the non-democratic ones, are more or less already implicitly civic nationalist, or they'd freely let regions or localities leave and make no effort to coherently bind them, grant citizenship etc. Civic nationalism is just statism with extra steps. It's a question of intensity at that point.

[Anonymous No.19167726]

>>19167609
Yes the people whose opinions are backed by the dollar

[Anonymous No.19167747]

Authoritarianism of any kind is artificial. Genuine culture comes from being left the fuck alone. All the government should do is fund large art projects and build the fucking roads. Oh yeah and keep foreigners away

[Anonymous No.19167751]

Mishima is fascinating. Is it true that contemporary japs don’t care much for him?

[Anonymous No.19167754]

>>19167751
Is it true that most people think you're a massive faggot?

[Anonymous No.19167772]

Nationalism is for low iq plebs. They uphold an ideal that doesnt exist, and never can. They look at their festering pool of corruption of a country, and actually feel pride. Top kek.

[Anonymous No.19167774]

>>19165884
>Isn't nationalism just something you reach out for when you are empty inside and have nothing else to cling to?
I used to think this way too, but nationalism is not alone in this regard. Most things we build our identity around could be described this way, so let's not single out nationalism.

[Anonymous No.19167830]

>>19167464
The current financial system in America is a massive fucking burden and generally making us miserable, it’s only going to get worse, who cares if we’re “rich” if no one gets to enjoy it besides the few elites? I’m not a socialist, but globalist capitalism brings out the worst in the system, it becomes a rate race to see who can exploit who, the quickest, there is too much going in global systems for anyone to be held accountable.

[Anonymous No.19167864]

>>19167464
>Spoken like someone with no net worth
>he thinks money is important for political change
Lel

[Anonymous No.19167926]

>>19165884
Not really. I have a loving family, a good job and education, good friends etc.

[Anonymous No.19167973]

Aren't abortions just something you reach out for when you are empty inside and have nothing else to cling to?

[Anonymous No.19168007]

>>19165884
Nationalism was one of many attempts by societies to develop a solution to the problem posed by dunbar's number to state power. It is a social technology like any other.
Of course its an antiquated one, we now have marvel movies and televised political hysteria to make us feel like the huge pseudo-organic colossus of global capitalism is in fact a community of which we are a part that is filled with individuals we trust, understand, and relate to. Which is to say that the project of the capitalism over the last 50 years or so has been to make consumption that act in which all the plebs participate and through which achieve empathy with one another outside of their close social groups. Nationalism is the attempt to create this through the notion of a shared identity between the strangers around you, but it is a paradigm incompatible with the new technologies of society.

[Anonymous No.19168039]

>>19165922

[Anonymous No.19168046]

>>19167772
>feeling pride for what WAS good with your country, aiming to return to those lost values that have degenerated a country is bad
Those ideals existed and can exist to a SMALL degree through individual and collective change, no matter how small. The other alternative is to be an individualist faggot concerned only with one's self and disregard society, although you are a part of it. It's pure hedonism and degenerate faggotry which only neets and low-iq ultra libtards with nothing to live for but pleasue adopts.

In other words, you are a fucking degenerate faggot with no concern for other except yourself.

[Anonymous No.19168052]

Aren't saying stuff with no arguments to back it up just something you reach out for when you are empty inside and have nothing else to cling to?

[Anonymous No.19168058]

>>19167973
No I'm pretty sure it's the exact opposite

You have something inside and something to do

[Anonymous No.19168091]

>>19165959
>>19166009
>>19166038
>>19166107
>>19166193
>>19166291
>>19167533
>>19167597

You're a soulless glow faggot who's overweight, who's dick is small and who's girlfriend/boyfriend will trade up the moment they have something new. You're probably getting cheated on the side withot even knowing that - how do I know?

Because you're a materialistic hedonism slave who fansies himself above other when in reality you're nothing more but a bugman. I've seen people like you before. They're the definition of a loser who looks at himself in the mirror and sees a chad, when in reality he's nothing more than a double-chinned fatso who fansies himself and 'intellectual'.

Ugly midwit.

[Anonymous No.19168131]

>>19165884
yep.

[Anonymous No.19168205]

>>19165884
>also race gender ethnicity etc..
4chan BTFO

[Anonymous No.19168211]

>>19165884
Nationalism is the biggest midwit filter

[Anonymous No.19168256]

A lot of rootless cosmopolitans in this thread taking OP's position, he most midwit out of all positions. America must be nuked to no recognition and so should Israel.

[Anonymous No.19168281]

>>19168256
>America must be nuked to no recognition and so should Israel
The ruination of nations, to save the nations? Or, more specifically, the jews? Either or, don't really care, just curious.

[Anonymous No.19168435]

>>19168091
Nice projection, thanks for the (You)'s, still not of any political relevance because your time is cheap enough to spend it here.

[Anonymous No.19168526]

>>19165884
I think so. Ive never seen an internationalist schizo. Only a lesbian one and a loooot of steven crowder fans.

[Anonymous No.19168545]

>>19168435
Nice projection, thanks for the (You)'s, still not of any political relevance because your time is cheap to spend here.

[Anonymous No.19168596]

>>19166009
>artificially generated nationality
All nationalities are artificially generated, nationalism is a social construct.

[Anonymous No.19168620]

>>19167522
cant believe i sat and read through that.
hope all the "do this or your mother dies in her sleep" you havent replied come to fruition and indeed she does.
faggot

[Anonymous No.19168699]

>>19168281
America is not a nation, it's a glorified marketplace, and Israel is its management. Jews are quintessentially anti-nationalists, especially those that stayed in the West.
>>19168526
>Ive never seen an internationalist schizo.
Bait.
>>19168596
>nationalism is a social construct.
What isn't a social construct? Humans themselves are social constructs.

[Anonymous No.19168713]

>>19166002
Oh no, no more Germany, no more Netherlands? That’s terrible! You have been it those places, are from there, or have some reason to protect the pretend notion of their worth, right? As if you know anything about those places, grew up there, treasure your childhood there and arnt just parroting what some fake father figure told you on YouTube, right anon?

[Anonymous No.19168716]

>>19167751
Yes, its true
The faggot died for nothing

[Anonymous No.19168737]

>>19168716
Not at all, he died for a coom. Someone post the excerpt from his gay lover detailing how Mishima's sexual fantasies revolved around ritualized suicide, and he'd coom once the fake knife would pretend to go into his belly.

[Anonymous No.19168742]

>>19166419
Jesus this is sad. Believing class consciousness formed through hand fed indoctrination on anon image boards can turn you into anything besides a blind voter in a system that has long forgotten you. You have no culture, you have no community, you have no family, and arguing with people about “our whitey way of life” is just retarded. Who do you think you are protecting with your ideology, besides the very people with all the money and power? Your alt right thought is really just the other side of a neoliberal coin, crazy Democrats are as facist as crazy republicans. I don’t know how to change things, but if we stopped letting them tell us to blame each other in our own classes, like the browns you’ve been taught to hate, maybe we could do things differently. Fucking moron tho

[Anonymous No.19168744]

>>19165891
cum

[Anonymous No.19168749]

>>19168716
It's funny since we're sort of at a similar "You are here" phase where patriotism is somewhere between a curiousity and terrorism. If any of the so-called nationalists were ambitious enough to do more than argue they'd meet the same fate, except instead of novels they have cut-and-paste manifestos from Quantico University Press

[Anonymous No.19168758]

>>19167433
U have Amazon prime

[Anonymous No.19168760]

So much disgusting Jewish defeatism in this thread. That's how you know they're getting worried.

[Anonymous No.19169257]

>>19166249
>>19166193
j-just give up bro. n-not giving up means blackening your soul, give in to despair instead
>>19166238
>government has to bribe you to reproduce
yes, the industrial revolution removed the material incentives for reproduction. Directly addressing this by supporting families is a solution.
seethe

[Anonymous No.19169270]

>>19169257
>technology reduces fertility
>lets just pay people to breed and keep the technology
>uh oh they aren't breeding fast enough to cover the pensions of the last generation, now we need immigrants
Way to rewind the clock and watch it tick forward again

[Anonymous No.19169570]

>>19168758
I don’t.

[Anonymous No.19169660]

To the little fag that spams about needing to have 10mk for your opinion to matter you are just coping because no one cares about shitty ass small minded opinions.

[Anonymous No.19170012]

>>19165884
Mishima was cool as fuck, he use to get faggots to watch him fake Harakiri and then he would cum without even being touched.