/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.19141642]

Books that will help me understand Rape, from the perspective of both genders

[Anonymous No.19141644]

m: something about domination
f: something about submission

[Anonymous No.19141649]

>>19141644
specifically

[Anonymous No.19141767]

>>19141649
if you want child rape, then lolita. humbert is exactly who rapes kids opportunistically, quilty is who rapes them predatorially

[Anonymous No.19141770]

>>19141767
it's not rape
she was into it

[Anonymous No.19141773]

>>19141770
A minor cannot consent. It is always rape.

[Anonymous No.19141793]

>>19141773
fuck off retard
>>19141770
it was rape because she wasnt half of the time
>when i pretended to sleep, i could hear lo cry
he says something like that

[Anonymous No.19142733]

>>19141793
>retard
Who are you calling a retard when you don't even know basic law?

[Anonymous No.19142754]

>>19141642

[Anonymous No.19142755]

I know the perfect book but I refuse to be party to OP's depraved coomer fantasies.

[Anonymous No.19142759]

>>19142755
Who was that book written for, if not people like OP? The fact that you know of the book at all makes me think you're the one with the depraved coomer fantasies.

[Anonymous No.19142777]

>>19142759
whatever man

[Anonymous No.19142794]

everything from Andrea Dworkin and Peter Sotos

[Anonymous No.19142796]

>>19142733
>basic law
implying the words of some random politician are authoritative for the base act of life

[Anonymous No.19142859]

>>19142796
Do not excuse your rape fantasy, embrace it.

[Anonymous No.19142886]

>>19141642
>I am lost in the joy of unfettered violence, the song of the hunt, the drumbeat of rape.

[Anonymous No.19142901]

>>19141793
yikes, megatard speaks

[Anonymous No.19143213]

>>19142886
Dont laugh, that’s some poor Jap VN writer trying his hardest

[Anonymous No.19143854]

>>19141642
King Kong Theory by Virginie Despentes

[Anonymous No.19143948]

>>19143854
also Baise-moi by the same author*

[Anonymous No.19143989]

>>19141793
are there any books with loli fucking and lolita tier prose but everyone's all happy and well?

[Anonymous No.19144235]

>>19141642
Just finger your butthole and imagine it's your uncle

[uwantpeace?youmustbeweak-thepe(...) No.19144243]

>>19141642
yourbrain

[Anonymous No.19144300]

>>19143989
stop being a pedophile

[Anonymous No.19144651]

>>19141773
What do you consider a minor? 18? Most of the world says 16, are they all wrong? Is most of the world condoning child rape? What about Italy where 13 isn't illegal

[Anonymous No.19144655]

>>19144300
fuck you. "pedophilia" is natural and good.
how old was helen of troy?

[Anonymous No.19144661]

>>19144651
>What about Italy where 13 isn't illegal
are you sure? pretty sure it is if you are an adult.
not that i care, just curious
might be packing a trip to italy >.>

anyway back in the day in europe you could literally buy CP mags in porno shops

[Anonymous No.19144702]

>>19144661
vgh...

[Anonymous No.19144710]

>>19144655
retard coomer wants a warm hole, and tries to justify his lust for children

[Anonymous No.19145146]

>>19141642
What does /lit/ think of the law of balance?

[Anonymous No.19145167]

>>19142859
exactly

[Anonymous No.19145345]

>>19144661
>What about Italy where 13 isn't illegal
>>19144651
According to the law it's that

If a minor is no more than 4 years older than a *consenting* 13 old (the consent is not valid anyway) it is non-punishable.

Non punishable /= not illegal

[Anonymous No.19145353]

>>19145146
Considering I have no idea what that is I don’t think about it at all.

[Anonymous No.19145356]

>>19141642
biology textbook

[Anonymous No.19145699]

>>19145356
Human beings are not mere beasts

[Anonymous No.19145724]

>>19144710
little girls are sexy as fuck
>>19144702
the child rape epidemic in vienna as well as the child prostitution epidemic is the reason "pedophilia" became an illness.

basically these dudes got all the fun 200 years ago, and now we must suffer

[Anonymous No.19145726]

>>19145146
I take a reading that it is a demon possessing Kageaki to kill other people and justify his crimes. Which is esentially what tsurugi is, a fusion of the human soul with metal and fallen spirits.
Ginseigo is a textbook case of demon-possession too.

[Anonymous No.19146429]

>>19144710
Ad hom

[Anonymous No.19146560]

>>19144655
>>19145724
Rope now

[Anonymous No.19146754]

>>19144655
>>19144661
>>19145724
Why are men so disgusting

[Anonymous No.19146781]

>>19141642
The bluest eye and white oleander.

[Anonymous No.19146784]

>>19146754
>Why are 4chanoids so disgusting?
It's just a disgusting demographic:
young men jerking off to anime tiddies

[Anonymous No.19146787]

>>19142754
Underrated.

[Anonymous No.19146809]

>>19146784
Porn rots brains
Bad news when porn addiction is so rampant

[Anonymous No.19146823]

>>19146754
>assuming their gender(s)
???
Disgusting sexist.

[Anonymous No.19146839]

>>19146823
Oh wow, like I haven't heard that comeback a million times

[Anonymous No.19147128]

>>19146839
>persevering in the error after a million time
ngmi

[Anonymous No.19147326]

>>19146781
The Bluest Eye doesn't concern itself with rape as anything other than another depressing thing to happen to the characters. It doesn't depend one's understanding of rape.

[Anonymous No.19147455]

>>19147128
>error
don't be such a fag

[Anonymous No.19147665]

>>19146754
Can't turn on the news without a dozen stories of female teachers raping boys. Women have shown their evil hand, time to put them back in the kitchen.

[Anonymous No.19147764]

>>19147665
I just turned on the news. Nothing about female teachers.

[Anonymous No.19148784]

>>19146754
You release puss every month, don't talk to me about disgusting

[Anonymous No.19148842]

>>19144655
>Rape is natural & good!
>Cites an ancient story

[Anonymous No.19148849]

>>19148842
Ancient people were more in-tune with their natural selves than modern people.

[Anonymous No.19148862]

>>19148842
>he thinks old stories are not biologically motivated
What's next, Oedipus didn't actually fuck his mother?
Think very, very hard, about the pic you just posted

[Anonymous No.19148872]

>>19148849
>>19148862
Right, well maybe I don't see how these are "good" things - animals in the wild may eat their young to survive, infanticide and cannibalism are common. To suggest certain practices have a place in the modern world because of historical or biological precedent doesn't necessarily follow.

[Anonymous No.19148895]

>>19148872
Just fyi, I am >>19148862
I am not >>19148849
Whether we like it or not, we are programmed to think that a 15 years old girl is sexually desirable, because in fact she is, biologically speaking - young, healthy and able to bear children. Today there are a million reasons to not impregnate a 15yo, but your brain doesn't care, biology evolves slower than society, it will probably take hundreds of thousands of years to remove that (if at all)

[Anonymous No.19149432]

>>19148895
What? A 15 year old is much more likely statistically to die in childbirth than a woman in her early 20's.

[Anonymous No.19149745]

>>19147128
read the sickness unto death, the final page of part one, he talks about this

[Anonymous No.19149870]

>>19149432
that's God's will

[Anonymous No.19150205]

>>19149432
> A 15 year old is much more likely statistically to die in childbirth than a woman in her early 20's.
this is bullshit

[Anonymous No.19150213]

>>19146754
how old were you when you started masturbating again?

[Anonymous No.19150220]

Everyone itt should rope, including me for coming here

[Anonymous No.19150291]

>>19141642
Sauce?

[Anonymous No.19150313]

>>19150291
装甲悪鬼村正

Probably one of the greatest VNs of all time

[Anonymous No.19150518]

>>19148784
goddamn just reading things that reinforce the notion that we're all basically just animals wanting to breed and eat food makes me incredibly horny

[Anonymous No.19150543]

>>19148895
>Whether we like it or not, we are programmed to think that a 15 years old girl is sexually desirable
I think social conditioning and our modern culture has gone a long way in making older women more attractive - the social implications od a pregnant teenager, or a teenage mother, must bear heavily in the modern psyche. Even as children, we're more likely to grow up with a mother in her mid-20s to 30s (and even 40s) than a teenage mother - and not to say Freud is always right - I think that has an effect on the partners we find attractive as adults.

[Anonymous No.19150568]

>>19148895
>>19150543
Consider too that a male can technically produce sperm at a young age, yet despite this, men are considered more attractive well after puberty.

[Anonymous No.19150643]

>>19150568
you're comparing apples to oranges

[Anonymous No.19150987]

>>19149432
Dying while giving birth is not an argument against a woman's "ability to bear children"
My great grandma died while giving birth to her fourth offspring
Marfa Sobakina died before even getting pregnant, you think she wouldn't have been a fertile female?

[Anonymous No.19150991]

>>19149745
>>19149745
Started that book recently, but I'm not very in the mood for Kierkegaard lately

[Anonymous No.19151020]

>>19150568
Anon here >>19150643 is right
With men it works differently: a young woman has higher probability of being fertile AND producing healthy kids - for men, a (relatively!) advanced age (40 instead of 16) is instead already a guarantee that he has genes good enough to survive at least up to that age. I think Dawkins speaks about this in Selfish Gene, but maybe I'm mixing it with something else.

Moreover, reproductive strategy is different: males don't really have a true limit on how many women they can breed, "I'd tap that" is a good enough strategy. A woman instead is investing literally years (pregnancy + lactation) of her own body energy for every single kid, she can't afford (at least in theory) to fuck everything that barely looks able to put semen in her vagina.
Always in selfish gene, it's stated that some female birds will refuse mating with males who do not 1)build a nest 2)provide food

Does this sounds somewhat familiar?
-Go out for dinner on first date
-"Oh, do you still live with your parents?"

[Anonymous No.19151061]

>>19141642
Rape is what occurs when sex becomes a scarcity in civilisation. Our hunter-gathering ancestors were fucking all the time, there was no societal boundaries to this behaviour, we were animals and simply obeyed our instincts. Now that sex is becoming more scarce, we can only expect more rape.

[Anonymous No.19151079]

>>19145724
yeah yeah now face the wall

[Anonymous No.19151284]

>>19151079
Morality eventually always turns around

[Anonymous No.19151291]

>>19141642
The wealth of nations.

[Anonymous No.19152097]

>>19150643
I'm really not.

>>19151020
A 40 year old is fairly old for having kids, yes, but all things considered, someone that's 20-30 is a much better candidate for having kids than a 15-16 year old. The idea is that society is progressing beyond our basic animalistic instincts and behaviors.

>>19151061
>>19151079
Gross.

[Anonymous No.19152113]

>>19152097
>i'm not
yes you are
>someone that's 20-30 is a much better candidate for having kids than a 15-16 year old.
you cannot prove this empirically
>society is progressing beyond our basic animalistic instincts
lol

[Anonymous No.19152117]

>>19151284
Meant to say this is gross lol, because it is. I could pull up examples of successful child soldiers or warlords in Africa who were exposed to violence and brutality at a young age, but it doesn't mean it's right, and it doesn't mean it's something we should move towards as a society.

[Anonymous No.19152131]

>>19152117
i don't care for your opinion about what "we as a society should move towards"
'we' have move towards emasculation is what we have moved towards- and allowing women to legislate to the rabble whom they can and cannot have sex with. ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.19152151]

>>19152131
lol you think that I'm advocating that society should move to eliminate rape or pedophilia because it's a "personal preference" or something? get some female friends

[Anonymous No.19152169]

>>19151284
It was rare enough at the time that it made the newspapers. This is not typical of the period.

[Anonymous No.19152187]

>>19152151
>you think that I'm advocating that society should move to eliminate rape or pedophilia because it's a "personal preference"
i don't 'think', i *know*.
go enforce your morality elsewhere, I already live in your world.
>>19152169
it's the late 30s
the feminist movement has existed for already half a century by then.

[Anonymous No.19152192]

>>19141642
If you're looking for a serious answer, and not simply indulging an age gap fantasy then read this novel. It's a post-apocalyptic fantasy that examines the effect of a rape not only on victim and perpertrator but also on the community it occurs in:

Margaret Elphinstone - The Incomer

[Anonymous No.19152209]

>>19152187
>Pedofilia is normal and feminists perverted it
Yeah, women got the vote. Deplorable. I don't think it's coincidental that young girls were progressively protected from adult sexual urges being imposed on the sexuality of a child.

[Anonymous No.19152223]

>>19141642
An ass blastingly good read.

[Anonymous No.19152229]

>>19152209
it's deplorable that anyone was handed the vote at all

[Anonymous No.19152235]

>>19152209
>I don't think it's coincidental that young girls were progressively protected from adult sexual urges being imposed on the sexuality of a child.
your conception of "childhood" is a relatively recent one.

[Anonymous No.19152264]

>>19152151
>get some female friends
try understanding women, retard.

[Anonymous No.19152369]

>>19152235
>your conception of "childhood" is a relatively recent one
Exactly.

You might also note that the age of consent across Europe from the Medieval period to the 19thC was 12, presumed to be the age of puberty for girls. Even so, it was considered scandalous when Lady Margaret Beaufort, aged 12, was married to Edmund Tudor in 1455 and co-habitated with him. She was the mother of the first Tudor king, Henry VII. Sadly Edmund was captured and died in captivity a year later, leaving her a 13-year-old widow who was seven months pregnant with their child.

[Anonymous No.19152378]

>>19152369
>scandalous
for what reason?

[Anonymous No.19152383]

>>19152229
>it's deplorable that anyone was handed the vote at all
no doubt you would have been content as a peasant, or at best a scribe.

[Anonymous No.19152397]

>>19152383
>no doubt you would have been content as a peasant
of course not, but that doesn't mean I should adopt peasant, read: slave morality.

[Anonymous No.19152406]

>>19152378
Because of her age. Although the law said 12 was legal it caused a stir. There was also the matter of the marriage, which occurred when she was 9. Margaret later she claimed she was divinely guided to do so.

Betrothals at young ages were common, but for marriage the bride was required to give formal consent, considered not possible for a girl of 9.

[Anonymous No.19152413]

>>19152406
what is interesting is that 12 was considered the age in which the bride was able to give consent on her OWN accord.

[Anonymous No.19152418]

>>19152406
>Margaret later she claimed she was divinely guided to do so.
translation: my cunny was being licked

[Anonymous No.19152434]

>>19152397
Given that the vast majority of people were peasants till the Industrial Revolution, and then factory fodder, how do you think you might have achieved social mobility?

It is also notable that during the first 15 years of the Industrial Revolution production increased by 400%. The wages of factory workers remained unchanged. In 1853 the average life expectancy of a factory worker in Central Leeds was 23.

[Anonymous No.19152446]

>>19152434
>The wages of factory workers remained unchanged. In 1853 the average life expectancy of a factory worker in Central Leeds was 23.
that is horrible.

[Anonymous No.19152467]

>>19152418
>>Margaret later she claimed she was divinely guided to do so
Translation: I want my marriage to valid and thus my son to have the chance to inherit the English throne.

Which happened. The son, Henry Tudor, defeated and killed the "evil" King Richard III at the battle of Bosworth Field. He was the founder of the Tudor dynasty, and his claim to the throne came through his mother Margaret, who was a great grand-daughter of Edward III.

The explanation for the marriage (and later consummation) lies in politics, not in the lust of older men for children.

[Anonymous No.19152481]

>>19152446
The overall picture is even worse.

In 1750 around a fifth of the population lived in towns of more than 5,000 inhabitants; by 1850 around three-fifths did. This caused serious health problems for working-class people. In 1840, 57% of the working-class children of Manchester died before their fifth birthday, compared with 32% in rural districts. (17) Whereas a farm labourer in Rutland had a life-expectancy of 38, a factory worker in Liverpool had an average age of death of 15.

https://spartacus-educational.com/U3Ahistory21.htm

[Anonymous No.19152499]

>>19152481
it's crazy to think there were people who tolerated this.

[Anonymous No.19152543]

>>19152499
People will tolerate anything as long as they think they have no other choice.

[Anonymous No.19152587]

>>19152499
Not only did the rich tolerate it they actively fought reform. George Hudson, the Conservative Party MP, stated in the House of Commons: "The people want to be left to manage their own affairs; they do not want Parliament... interfering in everybody's business."

[Anonymous No.19152926]

>>19144651
Minor is below the age of majority, duh. If you can't legally, theoretically pack everything up and leave where you are, then you're a minor. If you don't have certain political rights (voting, driving, etc), you're a minor. Independence and legal emancipation is key, because that's what puts sexual partners on equal footing. Yes, most of the world condones child rape.

[Anonymous No.19152947]

>>19151284
sneed

[Anonymous No.19152988]

>>19152926
Are you saying that at 16 years of age a female is not competent to choose to have sex?

[Anonymous No.19153156]

>>19152988
women are never competent to choose to have sex

[Anonymous No.19153321]

>>19152988
Correct, neither is a 16 year old male

[Anonymous No.19153338]

it's disappointing this thread is getting so many replies -_-

[Anonymous No.19153346]

>>19153321
What evidence do you have to support this claim?

[Anonymous No.19153422]

>>19152264
>woman can have perverse sexual fantasies, just like men!
>ergo rape and pedophilia are okay

[Anonymous No.19153546]

>>19153338
I'm inclined to agree with you, and OP's pic indicates his interest is prurient, not scholarly.
Lolita is certainly about rape and exploitation, as Humbert acknowledges. That said, this book is well written and gives a nuanced analysis of a fictional rape.
>>19152192

Margaret Elphinstone - The Incomer

[Anonymous No.19153558]

>>19153422
stop conflating pedophilia with rape before i rape you

[Anonymous No.19153587]

>>19153546
>prurient, not scholarly.
just for that i am going to link my favorite rape porn: https://pornogids.. net/videos/327765/female-prison-guards-raped/#

[Anonymous No.19153596]

>>19153587
It rots your mind anon.

[Anonymous No.19153659]

>>19152988
No, I'm saying that at any age below the legal majority, any person cannot freely choose to remove themselves from an ambiguous situation on an absolute level. For example, if I'm with an older woman and she makes moves on me, I can simply leave if I'm uncomfortable with that. If she tries to follow me, stalks me, socially manipulates situations around me... I can just leave. I can literally pack my bags and head somewhere else, and no one can stop me. I can especially do this (and this is important) if it's my mother who is doing this to me, for example.

People under the age of majority don't have that option. They're legally beholden to others, usually their parents and teachers/school administrators. If I were underage, and my mother made moves on me, I would have to overcome an extraordinary legal obstacle to remove myself from her immediate influence. I'd also have to find someone else to care for me, and it would be consequently more difficult for me to remove myself if that person also turns out to be a pervert.

If this situation happened to me now, being 28, I can just leave the premises. Cops won't be looking for me as a runaway, because I'm a grown adult. I can go anywhere in the country, find an apartment, a job and make my own way in life without ever having to see the person who tried to make unwelcome advances toward me.

'Competency' has nothing to do with it, and neither does actually having sex. It's precisely the ability to unambiguously, and absolutely, remove oneself from any situation without formal consequence that's important to consent.

That's also why it's impossible to consent to sex with people who have legal power over you, such as police officers. If a 15-year-old were legally emancipated, I believe they could absolutely consent to sex with an older person. I would look down on such a relationship, but that's a personal aesthetic objection, not necessarily a moral one.

[Anonymous No.19153774]

>>19141642
you just read it

[Anonymous No.19153867]

>>19153659
I live in the U.K. anon, where the age of 16 is the age of consent. A 16 year old can leave home, get a job, and live an independent life. A girl of 16 can be prescribed oral contraception without the consent of parents. The State will support this and not force the person to return to their family home.

Despite this relationships between 16 yr olds an adults over 20 are rare, and certainly anyone over 25 dating a 16 yr old would face societal disapproval. You seem fixated on abusive situations, but the majority of teens lose their virginity in the UK between the ages of 16 and 17 to someone within 2 years of the own age. This is a widely researched field.

Young people do need to be protected from exploitation and abuse, particularly by older people but also by their peers. Education and the availability of help is a key part of this, but there is are also a wide range of legal supports. For example, youths under the age of 18 may not be photographed in sexual situations.

[Anonymous No.19154029]

>rape is... LE BAD

[Anonymous No.19154612]

>>19141642
if you're looking for books on child rape and pedophilia in general, here's a nonfiction one. conversations with a pedophile: in the interest of our children by amy hammel-zabin.

[Anonymous No.19154700]

>>19141767
You should actually read the book, anon.

[Anonymous No.19154786]

>>19154700
you should say what you mean, instead of pretending to fit in

[Anonymous No.19155476]

>>19152192
>the effect of a rape not only on victim and perpertrator but also on the community it occurs in:
Is it "rape" if it's socially accepted?
I've heard of some tribe in Africa where, in order to get the right of marrying a woman, you need to suck an older man cock for one year, so that you understand what it means to be a wife and how you should respect her

[Anonymous No.19155664]

>>19155476
>Is it "rape" if it's socially accepted
Yes, it is rape ""

[Anonymous No.19155727]

>>19155476
do the women accept it or just go line with what they say? either way, it probably still is rape. at least, it's the legal meaning of rape, even if it's legal over there.

[Anonymous No.19155762]

>>19155727
>do the women accept it or just go line with what they say?
Maybe I wasn't clear enough - it's THE MEN who have to suck cock for a year before being allowed to marry a woman

[Anonymous No.19155776]

>>19155727
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sambia_people#Male_rites_of_passage

[Anonymous No.19155832]

>>19150213
what is the implication/assumption of this post?

[Anonymous No.19155837]

>>19155832
'children' like being stimulated at their sexual places