/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.19138242]

Wow, the perils facing our nation from liberal left-wing politicians, BLM, CRT, and Marxism all explored in eye-opening detail.
What did /lit/ think?

[Anonymous No.19138250]

I haven't read it but he isn't wrong based on what you just said he just probably isn't educated enough to be able to argue for it well enough.

[Anonymous No.19138254]

Book for room temperature iq morons that are coping with the fact that the world has outpaced them. Nearly all definitions are at most incomplete and usually just flat out wrong. It's just reactionary dogma that prevents people from thinking outside of the states ideology

[Anonymous No.19138260]

>>19138254
And what is the state ideology and the ideology of major corporations and universities if not cultural marxism at its shrillest and most snivelling?

[Anonymous No.19138272]

>>19138254
>prevents people from thinking outside of the states ideology
>outside of the states ideology

[Anonymous No.19138275]

>>19138260
its obviously neo-liberalism, if marxism was the state ideology we would be marxist

[Anonymous No.19138278]

>>19138254
mean if these people are going to call you a fascist for the crime of not wanting to be a second class citizen in your own country reading old books or not wanting children to be molested you can't help but start thinking, can fascism probably be all that bad?

[Anonymous No.19138281]

>>19138278
literally who

[Anonymous No.19138283]

>>19138281
Open your fucking eyes and look around dude.

[Anonymous No.19138284]

>>19138275
Cultural Marxism and Actual Marxism are not the same thing

[Anonymous No.19138288]

>>19138260
>corporations
>marxism
What the fuck is wrong with you

[Anonymous No.19138291]

>>19138284
>>19138288

[Anonymous No.19138293]

>>19138275
If marxists were legit theyd be going after gays and trannies, seeing all the corporations support them

[Anonymous No.19138296]

>>19138283
can you like point to a single example
>>19138284
ooohhhhh you're a conspiracist

[Anonymous No.19138303]

>>19138296
It's not a conspiracy when they tell you their influences

[Anonymous No.19138310]

>>19138303
WHOOOO

[Anonymous No.19138316]

>>19138310
Academics, Leftists

[Anonymous No.19138320]

>>19138296
If you support the left if you support gay rights or trans rights this is what you are supporting.

[Anonymous No.19138323]

>>19138310
Academia is filled with Marxists, this isn't even something they try to hide.

[Anonymous No.19138324]

>>19138316
Did you ever think that maybe academics think that way because they are educated?

[Anonymous No.19138333]

>>19138324
Ah they're so educated they just don't know about the realities of literally any marxist state huh.

[Anonymous No.19138334]

>Mark Levin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYz0RaZSMsA

[Anonymous No.19138343]

>>19138324
I don't care why they spout it but as long as you admit they do makes you better than most leftists.

[Anonymous No.19138348]

>>19138343
It's really only in the humanities fields anyways and it is only (ironically enough) in private colleges

[Anonymous No.19138356]

>>19138324
If you look at the history of the cultural studies and social sciences which have attached themselves to other fields, it’s clear that the leftism came first.
You are right, but that’s because being educated today means being trained to be leftist.

[Anonymous No.19138364]

>>19138356
I think we agree to that last part for the opposite reasons

[Anonymous No.19138366]

>>19138348
It's brought it's way into all fields and you find can find science courses on Feminist Science and shit like that

> it is only (ironically enough) in private colleges
Entirely wrong. It's in every college. Name a state and we can literally look down the list of courses and professors at every school. I went to a local community college and a big state school and it was filled with that stuff.

[Anonymous No.19138377]

It's been a while since I read Communist Manifesto, bit I don't remember anything about cutting kids dicks off and letting blacks fuck white women, is that in Das Kapital or something else, im kinda a Marx noob

[Anonymous No.19138390]

>>19138377
Cultural Marxism is different from actual Marxism. Marx was redpilled

[Anonymous No.19138391]

>>19138356
Put quotes around that if you're gonna start posting lines from the Illuminatus! Trilogy.

[Anonymous No.19138400]

>>19138364
It you’re just a dogmatist whose dependent on these ideas for whatever social climbing you plan on doing, and I’m right.

[Anonymous No.19138414]

>>19138390
what does cultural marxism have to do with marxism then?

[Anonymous No.19138423]

>>19138414
The Cultural Marxists were "Marxists" who thought the Marxist idea of revolution was dated so they wanted to enact cultural change to bring about Communism.

[Anonymous No.19138426]

>>19138391
Yeah, let’s just pretend that the cultural studies wasn’t created by Marcus or that marxists believe intellectual labor can be separated from political revolution, or that the kind of problematization at the root of the social sciences is correct rather than merely being in line with the moral principles of leftist, or that Marcuse didn’t explicitly say that the left needed to take over other fields of study inn order to increase its influence in society.
Stop playing cute, you e more or less prone at this point. You should be bragging about it.

[Anonymous No.19138433]

>>19138414
Marxist analysis is just a component of what be better called social progressivism or something. “Cultural Marxism” has too much baggage, up most of the objections to it are really semantic in nature.

[Anonymous No.19138439]

>>19138414
Jewishness. Mark R. Levin visited Israel on the 4th of July. I think his people call that "chutzpah".

[Anonymous No.19138447]

>>19138391
>>19138426
Yeah, let’s just pretend that the cultural studies wasn’t created by Marxists or that marxists believe intellectual labor can be separated from political revolution, or that the kind of problematization at the root of the social sciences is correct rather than merely being in line with the moral principles of leftism, or that Marcuse didn’t explicitly say that the left needed to take over other fields of study in order to increase its influence in society.
Stop playing cute, you’ve more or less won at this point. You should be bragging about it.

[Anonymous No.19138452]

>>19138275
i mean if marx was correct then arent we technically marxist whether we like it or not?

[Anonymous No.19138455]

>>19138426
Be that as it may, allow me to counter:
The possibility that Adam Weishaupt killed George Washington and took his place, serving as our first President for two terms, is now confirmed…. The two main colors of the American flag are, excluding a small patch of blue in one corner, red and white: these are also the official colors of the Hashishim. The flag and the Illuminati pyramid both have thirteen horizontal divisions: thirteen is, of course, the traditional code for marijuana … and is still used in that sense by Hell’s Angels among others.
>captcha: GHANJ

[Anonymous No.19138474]

>>19138455
Wow, I guess just proved that Raymond Williams was a figment of my imagination, conflict theory doesn’t exist, and Marcuse never proposed a long march through the institutions. Thanks for the brilliant revelations, friend.

[Anonymous No.19138483]

>thread about a Levin book
Just flag these damn things as low quality and they shut up so you don’t have to look at it.
Discourage bad threads. Don’t engage.

[Anonymous No.19138490]

>>19138242
I wonder if Mark Levin or Sean Hannity have read Marx, if only to sharpen their critiques of Marxism.

[Anonymous No.19138492]

>>19138490
Orthodox Marxism is too abstract and detached from the activism and liberal cultural they’re trying to get people riled up about, so it would be a massive waste of time.

[Anonymous No.19138503]

>>19138242
The issue with Mark Levin and his critique is the same issue with the Republican party and the same issue with the Democrat party; contemporary mainstream American ideologies do not even begin to accurately address the issues that the modern world poses to the vast majority of Americans. >>19138254 is right, but I would add that the "world" outpaces everyone who is old-fashioned enough to have beliefs or traditions that are outside of the most milquetoast and vacuous.

>>19138260
>>19138278
>>19138390
"Cultural Marxism" is a boogeyman term for a real phenomenon that has nothing to do with Marxism. Yes it is similar if you substitute socioeconomic class for whatever category happens to be in front of you (race/sex/orientation), or all of them together, but that distinction is enough to separate the two entirely when you consider that the entirety of the Marxist tradition is built around the conflict between the classes and the subjugation of the lower class. There is no intersectional theory of alienation, no intersectional theory of historical materialism, no race- or sex- or whatever-theory of value.

It is the very people that most conservatives attribute as the prophets of "Cultural Marxism" that would be the quickest to dismiss what we see today as the result of processes that mask or prevent class struggle (which is exactly what Adorno, Horkheimer, Marcuse, etc, set out to do), and which prevent real revolution from occurring (merits of historical materialism notwithstanding). It was only after the work of the Frankfurt School became bastardized and misinterpreted in the movements of the sixties (admittedly with the inital support of Marcuse) that we ended up with what we have today, ironically often conflated with the work of the Frankfurt School itself.

The sad fact is that it is not merely the vague thirst for freedom and equality that Tocqueville described almost two centuries ago that led to our current state but also the accumulative impulse nurtured and obliged by capitalism, which has worked to destabilize and dissolve older more firm, time-tested institutions. The work of Rawls and modern "liberals" is similar to Marxists in that it outright denies the legitimacy of ties forged through family, fraternity, and localism. The Rawlsian individual as well as the Marxist Proletarian is atomic. Combined with the concomitant insidious predilection of contemporary academia to virulently destroy any sense of personal responsibility in anyone except the "privileged," (and therefore ironically positing their superiority), and the predilection of contemporary conservatism to deny any civic responsibility at all, you might see why no contemporary mainstream conservative critique of contemporary America will every reach anywhere close to the heart of the real issue.

[Anonymous No.19138506]

>>19138474
What's more incredible? Sirhan Sirhan and Hinckley come up for release same year. Why does the one who shot Reagan get to leave? Why does the Kennedy killer stay? Follow the money, the rabbit holes are deep and connected in more places than you can count. Q was only the tip of the iceberg. How many alphabets are there? How many have analogues of that letter in them? How much longer until the Storm, fellow patriot?

[Anonymous No.19138509]

>>19138503
upvote

[Anonymous No.19138511]

>>19138506
Let’s just make this simple, why was what I said wrong or absurd?

[Anonymous No.19138523]

>>19138511
We can't make it simple, there's no way to simplify it, I tried, and I spent over 2500 dollars (bush era money) at hobby lobby on yarn, pins, and corkboard. I had to get crafty, but when you run yarn forth into the wide spaces of your apartment, wall to wall, it gets very complicated. And nothing is absurd my friend. We are the only sane men in this thread. Maybe in this entire board - our country is under attack and these effete armchair philosophers are too busy reading the enemy: Tolstoy, Kropotkin, Marx. Bless you, patriot, for trying to enlighten them, but they're too far gone. Diagnosis: Terminal liberalism, complicated by Trump Derangement Syndrome.

[Anonymous No.19138524]

>>19138503
Holy shit the first smart poster I’ve seen on /lit/ all day.

[Anonymous No.19138536]

>>19138390
Marx was unbelievably, astronomically, cataclysmically based

[Anonymous No.19138540]

>>19138536
Imagine setting the tone of all major wars and economic developments for the next 200 years across all countries, cultures, classes, and races… just by writing one thick ass book.

[Anonymous No.19138541]

>>19138506
>Q to 12
really makes you think

[Anonymous No.19138543]

>>19138242
Marxists (lefties in general) are so dumb when it comes to America. If they wrapped themselves up in patriotism, they'd be in power by now. If a socialist ever takes power in America, he/she will be fanatically nationalist.

[Anonymous No.19138545]

>>19138543
This is the dumbest post on /lit/ I’ve seen all day.

[Anonymous No.19138551]

Mark Reed Levin, one of three boys, was born in Philadelphia to a Jewish family

[Anonymous No.19138555]

I have yet to understand what cultural marxism is even supposed to mean.

[Anonymous No.19138556]

>>19138524
Eh, it’s a pretty common response, but it neglects the fact that elements of Marxism have been incorporated into the larger progressive worldview, and that these other critical approaches have arisen because Marxism was inadequate for dealing with the social ills faced by various groups. There doesn’t need to be a specific intersectional theory of alienation because the marxists one is enough. Hell, they can even improve on it by using it alongside other concepts like double consciousness or something.
>>19138523
Come on, you’re educated, you’ve read theory, so you can tell me why I’m wrong rather than throwing this little temper tantrum.

[Anonymous No.19138559]

>>19138543
>they'd be in power by now

[Anonymous No.19138574]

>>19138555
It’s a derivative of cultural bolshevism. A term coined to get at the heart of middle class Germans who thought their culture was at stake to hate commies and Jews. Today it’s used to make people hate commies and wokes. Anyone who tries to define it as a legitimate idea are simply perpetuating the symbol of the term rather than identifying a theoretical ideological framework.

[Anonymous No.19138590]

>>19138574
It’s a fair description of a broad cultural trend, I don’t think anyone who uses it is trying to make it out to be a school of thought, and for that purpose it’s perfectly fine.

[Anonymous No.19138591]

>I'm worried when people aren't straight and white
Who fucking cares. Don't pay attention to it and it barely exists.

[Anonymous No.19138592]

>>19138590
>I don’t think anyone who uses it is trying to make it out to be a school of thought
The fuck was Jordan Peterson doing for the past 4 years then spouting off and popularizing the term for?

[Anonymous No.19138595]

>>19138592
I honestly never listened to anything he had to say. Did he ever specifically use the term “cultural Marxism” to define a specific school of thought (I always thought his go to phrase was post-modern neo-Marxism), or was he just using it as a pejorative to refer to leftist social and cultural ideals more broadly?

[Anonymous No.19138602]

>>19138284
“Cultural Marxism” is not a thing, it was completely made up by right wing activists for their followers (that they know are fucking uncultured brain dead oafs) to conveniently address everything they dislike as muh Cultural Marxist/Cultural Postmodernism etc. Anybody with two working brain cells knows this concept simply does not exists.

[Anonymous No.19138606]

>>19138602
So are the things they don’t like figments of their imagination (I have a feeling you’ll say yes, but I don’t know if that matters here), or does it exist in some capacity even if it is not a school of thought?

[Anonymous No.19138630]

>>19138606
Not him, but I'd say they exist but are caused by the proliferation of social media, leading to the formation of unhinged fringe movements which quickly become mainstream.

[Anonymous No.19138644]

>>19138630
Sure, it I don’t think that’s exactly relevant. What matters is that they are describing something (even if it’s just an illusion), and if they feel the term “cultural Marxism” is what they want to describe it, then it does exist in some way. The leftist objection to “cultural Marxism” has always been a semantic one (just look at the responses objecting to it in this thread), so it’s never really been all that convincing.

[Anonymous No.19138668]

>>19138556
>elements of Marxism have been incorporated into the larger progressive worldview
Which elements of Marxism are those? Are you sure you're not confusing them with elements introduced by modern liberals such as Rawls and Dewey?

>these other critical approaches have arisen because Marxism was inadequate for dealing with the social ills faced by various groups
The mainstream of Marxism and Neo-Marxism does not ever make the pretension of "dealing with the social ills faced by various groups" except perhaps to say that those social ills are essentially distractions to the fundamental problem of class struggle, all the way from Marx past the Frankfurt School even to the likes of Jameson and Negri.

Even cursory research will reveal that those that develop "critical approaches" to "deal with the social ills faced by various groups," if you refer to contemporary feminists, "critical race theorists," etc, are Marxists really only in name, as their primary concerns very obviously lie elsewhere far away from any common understanding of Marxism.

>There doesn’t need to be a specific intersectional theory of alienation because the marxists one is enough.
How do you easily translate man's alienation from labor into intersectional terms? How are women or blacks or fags any more alienated from their labor than any other worker? Does a black or woman or fag business owner oppress their white employees? (What about that "buy from black-owned businesses" horseshit?) I think you're wrong here.

>Hell, they can even improve on it by using it alongside other concepts like double consciousness or something.
I don't even know what double consciousness is, but a cursory search doesn't reveal any legitimate connection to the Marxist tradition.

[Anonymous No.19138675]

>>19138668
>Does a black .... owner oppress their white employees?
obviously not, only whites are capable of oppression (at least within the United States and Europe)

[Anonymous No.19138692]

>>19138668
I was so pissed when I learned about the downfall of critical legal studies and it’s replacement by critical race theory and feminist theory. The 80s really did a number of the leftist academic lawyers out there.

[Anonymous No.19138777]

>>19138668
>Which elements of Marxism are those? Are you sure you're not confusing them with elements introduced by modern liberals such as Rawls and Dewey?
I think most forms of modern conflict theory have their basis in Marx, or at the very least use some aspects of his work to understand relationships between groups in a society.
> The mainstream of Marxism and Neo-Marxism does not ever make the pretension of "dealing with the social ills faced by various groups" except perhaps to say that those social ills are essentially distractions to the fundamental problem of class struggle, all the way from Marx past the Frankfurt School even to the likes of Jameson and Negri.
That’s perhaps the source of its inadequacy. There are some things that can’t be explained by class alone. That’s the real reason for other critical approaches rather than to distract us from class struggle or whatever conspiracy you’ve cooked up to describe it.
> How do you easily translate man's alienation from labor into intersectional terms? How are women or blacks or fags any more alienated from their labor than any other worker? Does a black or woman or fag business owner oppress their white employees? (What about that "buy from black-owned businesses" horseshit?) I think you're wrong here.
This is something that intersectionality is readily equipped to deal with. Intersectionality can take a look at alienation from labor because it incorporates class analysis into its understanding of social relationships. The. It can look at the way that alienation is impacted or interacts with other social forces someone might experience through belonging through this or that group in order to gain a more complete understanding of the situation as a whole. A proponent would without a second thought say that a minority business could oppress white employees, but they would also look at the bigger picture and see the ways in white employees due to their whiteness might fare better than black employees both within the organization and society and even the ways in which the business owner themself experiences. This allows for a more complete understanding of the social environment and the problems within it than whatever it is you proposed could. This is pretty obvious stuff, so I don’t know if you’re ignorant or just dumb.
> I don't even know what double consciousness is, but a cursory search doesn't reveal any legitimate connection to the Marxist tradition.
I never asserted that it was. Only that it can be used in conjunction with Marxist theories of alienation to gain a more complete understanding of the situation. If you’re really not familiar with the term, I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and chalk up your issues to ignorance. You should read upon Du Bois (the guy who coined the concept) You’d probably like home.

[Anonymous No.19138792]

book by a guy who unironically advocates for ever more power for international corporations and the likkud party of israel. yes, i'm so very interested in reading about his ideas in more detail.

[Anonymous No.19138794]

>>19138792
The problem is not Likud, the problem is that most countries do not have a Likud of their own.

[Anonymous No.19138830]

>>19138260
>ideology of major corporations.
Literally capitalism you irredeemable retard. Learn what words mean before you start shitting up the board next time.
I dont want to hear any petulant screetching about how (((fortune 500 company))) panders to niggers, troons, or queers; (((fortune 500 company))) doesnt give a fuck about those people, it just wants people who do (who make up the majority of the country sweatie) to buy whatever product its shitting onto shelves that week.
Stop posting; either read a book, learn about how the world works, or (my personal recomendation) jump in front of a moving bus you pathetic waste of genetic material.

[Anonymous No.19138838]

>>19138830
Again, their intentions don’t matter. What matters is that they are altering social spaces to allow for the dominant of certain ideologies.

[Anonymous No.19138844]

>>19138414
It really is just a nazi dogwhistle for (((da jooz))). Anyone who unironically uses the term can safely be disregarded and ridiculed.

[Anonymous No.19138899]

>>19138777
>I think most forms of modern conflict theory have their basis in Marx, or at the very least use some aspects of his work to understand relationships between groups in a society.
Many social sciences have their foundations in Marxism, doesn't make them Marxist. Be specific: what elements of Marxism have been incorporated into the larger progressive worldview?

>That’s perhaps the source of its inadequacy. There are some things that can’t be explained by class alone. That’s the real reason for other critical approaches rather than to distract us from class struggle or whatever conspiracy you’ve cooked up to describe it.
Congratulations, you reached a criticism of Marxism that is as old as Marxism itself, and discovered that frameworks other than Marxism exist that people use to attempt to understand the world around them. That does not make those frameworks Marxist by nature, which you posited earlier.

>This is something that intersectionality is readily equipped to deal with. [...] This is pretty obvious stuff, so I don’t know if you’re ignorant or just dumb.
That intersectionality incorporates class analysis into its understanding of social relationships does not make intersectionality ("culturally") Marxist. To my knowledge there's been no serious attempt to synthesize the two, and doing so doesn't even really make sense considering the differences of dialectics between the two frameworks. Note the disconnect between what you admit of the black employer/white employee relationship and what we see in the zeitgeist today, again pointing to the fact that what we see today is not whatever you call cultural Marxism.

>I never asserted that it was. Only that it can be used in conjunction with Marxist theories of alienation to gain a more complete understanding of the situation. If you’re really not familiar with the term, I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and chalk up your issues to ignorance. You should read upon Du Bois (the guy who coined the concept) You’d probably like home.
How does this relate at all to whether or not cultural Marxism is an appropriate term to use for what we see today?

[Anonymous No.19138904]

>>19138794
I think the real problem is we don’t likud all the people like you

[Anonymous No.19138946]

>>19138503
>"Cultural Marxism" is a boogeyman term for a real phenomenon that has nothing to do with Marxism.

It has everything to do with it, it is, at its core, marxist epistemology with the millennarian and economic aspects shaved off and employed in service of neolib interests. It cannot be understood without understanding the marxist framework of its inner workings.

[Anonymous No.19139037]

>>19138899
>Many social sciences have their foundations in Marxism, doesn't make them Marxist. Be specific: what elements of Marxism have been incorporated into the larger progressive worldview?
Conflict theory and historical materialism are at the heart of any leftist worldview.
> Congratulations, you reached a criticism of Marxism that is as old as Marxism itself, and discovered that frameworks other than Marxism exist that people use to attempt to understand the world around them. That does not make those frameworks Marxist by nature, which you posited earlier.
That never asserted they were Marxist. I was responding to your point about them existing to distract from class conflict.
> That intersectionality incorporates class analysis into its understanding of social relationships does not make intersectionality ("culturally") Marxist. To my knowledge there's been no serious attempt to synthesize the two, and doing so doesn't even really make sense considering the differences of dialectics between the two frameworks. Note the disconnect between what you admit of the black employer/white employee relationship and what we see in the zeitgeist today, again pointing to the fact that what we see today is not whatever you call cultural Marxism.
Again, my point wasn’t to say that intersectionality is Marxist, but that it’s capable of incorporating Marxist concepts and go beyond them to get a more complete picture.
> How does this relate at all to whether or not cultural Marxism is an appropriate term to use for what we see today?
Again, it has more to do with the fact that people today can utilize multiple frameworks to enhance their understanding of society rather than saying this or that is Marxist.

I spent a lot of time responding to specific points you made rather than relating them to the theme of the thread. Sorry for any confusion that may have caused.

My defense of the term “cultural Marxism” has little to do with whether the broad cultural movement could be considered Marxist in character, but more that these people are describing fits the broader understanding of the term”marxism” that they have. Ultimately the leftist, intellectual objection to the term is nothing more than Kim-wrested semantic argument that fails to actually address the issues being raised. Outside of the hard science, whenever intellectuals and those who are consciously anti-intellectual clash, the latter always win.

[Anonymous No.19139047]

>>19138260
yes corporations are marxist

[Anonymous No.19139065]

>>19138320
I don't know who that is but I don't what problem you have with what was said

[Anonymous No.19139163]

>>19138333
Marxist State is an oxymoron and you are just a moron

[Anonymous No.19139302]

>>19138254
>muh definitions
Typical lefty sophist
You can't argue honestly because you keep playing word games

[Anonymous No.19139311]

>>19138275
>>19138288
>>19138830
>>19139047
>billionaires like Soros and CEOs of major corporations keep donating to democrats and open Marxist organizations
>hurr they're not real Marxists

[Anonymous No.19139327]

>>19138324
>educated
You mean oversocialized and indoctrinated

[Anonymous No.19139330]

>>19138242
Red scare bullshit which is being sold to idiots who just want bias conformation for their retarded political opinions. Says nothing new and takes 300 pages to say “eye-opening detail” which isn’t original or even “groundbreaking” and is just rehashed material easily found anywhere on the internet.
Inb4 >marxist blm discord tranny
Imagine unironically shilling this.

[Anonymous No.19139337]

>>19139311
> Marxism is when organizations and corporations call themselves Marxist to appeal to an edgy, uneducated youth, while at the same time negating any revolutionary potential
Wow look at mister bigbrain over here
Learn about precuperation before you embarrass yourself again

[Anonymous No.19139345]

>>19139337
Read The System's Neatest Trick
Marxism is used by elites to gain more power, they never gave a fuck about equality

[Anonymous No.19139348]

>>19139337

[Anonymous No.19139353]

>>19139330
>unironically using the term red scare in 2021 and age of cancel culture
Top cringe, fuck off back to twitter

[Anonymous No.19139354]

>>19138838
The only ideology they’re entertaining is capitalism, they don’t care about anything else except their and their shareholders profit. Female equality, sucking up to niggers and trannies is no actual risk to capitalism in either the short term or long. The majority of these “movements” are easily appeased by a company flying a fag flag or some bullshit and the radical element is fringe as to not make a difference at the ballot.

These companies might as well pay lip service to these retarded identity politics, it like giving a brat child a sweet, it’s just appeasing retards to make life easier.

[Anonymous No.19139360]

>>19139345
No shit Sherlock that’s what I’m saying

> So, in a nutshell, the System's neatest trick is this:

>For the sake of its own efficiency and security, the System needs to bring about deep and radical social changes to match the changed conditions resulting from technological progress.

>The frustration of life under the circumstances imposed by the System leads to rebellious impulses.

>Rebellious impulses are co-opted by the System in the service of the social changes it requires; activists "rebel" against the old and outmoded values that are no longer of use to the System and in favor of the new values that the System needs us to accept.

>In this way rebellious impulses, which otherwise might have been dangerous to the System, are given an outlet that is not only harmless to the System, but useful to it.

>Much of the public resentment resulting from the imposition of social changes is drawn away from the System and its institutions and is directed instead at the radicals who spearhead the social changes.

However, this doesn’t mean that what the elites use is Marxism, but rather an appropriated and distorted lie about Marxism

[Anonymous No.19139361]

>>19139353
Why are you shilling this graffitied toilet paper, you’re aren’t the author are you?
>cancel culture
Who the fuck is “cancelling” this book retard? It got fucking published and is shilled by the Jew York times. Come back with an actual reply to why it isn’t just rehashed bullshit sold to make a easy buck off people with those views already.

[Anonymous No.19139364]

>>19138844
>>19138591
>it's not real because we say so
This whole thread is just full of pilpul and gaslighting
Why do Marxists attack white culture exclusively? Because whites are the only group of people who didn't fall for communism. Once you understand that it all makes sense.

[Anonymous No.19139371]

>>19139360
The western elites essentially want to turn this country into China, a fascist country with slave labor where all small independent businesses are crushed and they have all the power with the government. Did you miss the great reset agenda?

[Anonymous No.19139374]

>>19139361
Levin might be kosher neocon approved grifter but he's still trying to expose some truth.
Cancel culture is definitely real and you're blind if you don't see it.

[Anonymous No.19139375]

>>19138503
Yes, but not really. All these shitty ideologies come from and use Marxist bullshit as a basis.

Not only that but all the activists and academics that preach this bullshit also preach for a socialism and anti-capitalism. Case in point: BLMtards handing over Marxist literature in CHAZ last year or the BLM founders describing themselves as Marxist socialists.

[Anonymous No.19139379]

>>19139354
Why are companies supporting diversity inclusion crap if it makes them less effective and productive? American college has become a joke and Asia is overtaking them fast.

[Anonymous No.19139380]

>>19138602
Anybody with three brain cells know that the concept is valid because if you read the communist manifesto and swap a few words you have wokism.

[Anonymous No.19139382]

>>19139371
There is no “great reset agenda” (in the sense that it’s something that’s suddenly happening), it’s just that the right only now realizes where neo-liberalism has been heading towards since ww2 (and even more so since Raegan)
Left wing thinkers like Deleuze saw this coming years ago, read postscripts on societies of control (it’s only a short article, but basically predicted the entire 21. century so far)

[Anonymous No.19139395]

>>19139380
t. hasn’t read the communist manifesto and is easily refuted by literally the first page after the introduction

> The bourgeoisie, historically, has played a most revolutionary part.
The bourgeoisie, wherever it has got the upper hand, has put an end to all feudal, patriarchal, idyllic relations. It has pitilessly torn asunder the motley feudal ties that bound man to his “natural superiors”, and has left remaining no other nexus between man and man than naked self-interest, than callous “cash payment”. It has drowned the most heavenly ecstasies of religious fervour, of chivalrous enthusiasm, of philistine sentimentalism, in the icy water of egotistical calculation. It has resolved personal worth into exchange value, and in place of the numberless indefeasible chartered freedoms, has set up that single, unconscionable freedom — Free Trade. In one word, for exploitation, veiled by religious and political illusions, it has substituted naked, shameless, direct, brutal exploitation.

[Anonymous No.19139403]

>>19139337
>Marxism is when organizations and corporations call themselves Marxist to appeal to an edgy, uneducated youth, while at the same time negating any revolutionary potential
That's literally what happened in Venezuela.

All the corporations, including the media, were supportive of Hugo Chávez to be "hip" and gain support with the intellectual class and university students (most of which were Marxists.) Chávez himself denied being a Marxist before the elections and changed his tune afterwards.

Once he attained power all the corporations and media tried to reverse course when he began to fuck with them, but it was too late. They were either expropriated, bankrupt or left the country. Today Venezuela has 0 independent, private, media left and less corporations than in the 1940s.

Companies are amoral and will support whatever gives them popularity. They are not this evil, omniscient entity that orchestrates everything. They can be subverted from the inside, make bad calls or support causes that ultimately destroy them.

[Anonymous No.19139404]

>>19139395
The white race, wherever it has got the upper hand, has put an end to all feudal, patriarchal, idyllic relations. It has pitilessly torn asunder the motley feudal ties that bound man to his “natural superiors”, and has left remaining no other nexus between man and man than naked self-interest, than callous “cash payment”. It has drowned the most heavenly ecstasies of religious fervour, of chivalrous enthusiasm, of philistine sentimentalism, in the icy water of egotistical calculation. It has resolved personal worth into exchange value, and in place of the numberless indefeasible chartered freedoms, has set up that single, unconscionable freedom — Free Trade. In one word, for exploitation, veiled by religious and political illusions, it has substituted naked, shameless, direct, brutal exploitation.

[Anonymous No.19139421]

>>19139374
Cancel culture exists on twatter, plebbit and in political societies in universities, but in the real world its not such a big thing. People who get "cancelled" regularly get airtime on tv and radio and column inches in the daily newspapers.

[Anonymous No.19139437]

>>19139404
But that’s precisely what I’m saying. Nobody would make that kind of argument in the “woke left”
Just because one side is portrayed as the enemy doesn’t mean “hurr wokeness is exactly as Marxism”, because you can just as easily do that with Mein Kampf or fucking Donald Rumsfeld’s homoerotic Afghanistan fanfiction

[Anonymous No.19139454]

>>19139437
Here is a woke leftist making that argument
https://www.terraincognitamedia.com/features/white-people-have-no-culture2018

[Anonymous No.19139463]

>>19139037
> but more that these people are describing fits the broader understanding of the term”marxism” that they have. Ultimately the leftist, intellectual objection to the term is nothing more than Kim-wrested semantic argument that fails to actually address the issues being raised

Not the same guy, but my understanding behind using the term "cultural marxism" in the first place is mostly driven by:

1) it being a convenient "boogeyman" because part of the "broader understanding" that people have about marxism is that it is evil and god-fearing Americans should hate it and anything attached to it immediately, and

1a) to attach to a Bircher-like/"None Dare Call It Conspiracy" feeling as a plausible explanation for why the ideology in question has gained so much ground.

I feel like the impetus behind the semantic argument is to attempt to move away from these (in my opinion very purposefully chosen) negative connotations, because any attempt to address the "actual issues being raised" are not going to happen in good faith with this type of hazy intellectual framing. Ferreting out what people actually mean when they talk about this stuff and where they think the missteps are could be a better way to get to those real issues.

At the very least starting with semantics is a helpful parsing mechanism for figuring out who actually knows what they are talking about and who doesn't (see this thread for evidence).

[Anonymous No.19139474]

>>19139454
> The majority of white people can name no more than two generations back in their families. The majority of white people barely know where their grandparents were from, much less who their ancestors were. The majority of white people have no traditions
Lmao you can take pretty much half of that article and use it as a lament about the decline of the west from some right winger
Also, that article has nothing to do with what I posted, but thank you for proving my point

[Anonymous No.19139491]

>>19139364
Simple: whites, by definition, cannot be oppressed. The whites are settlers that benefit from labor extracted from the global south, which invalidates Spivakian strategic essentialism. A white "person" (reminder that whites aren't people) is a member of a collective delineated by their oppressor status vis a vis folk taxonomy, a beneficiary of systemic alignments in SES per McIntosh's criteria. Or you can think of the average white in the terms of Fanon's psychoexistentialist crisis -
>whites are a conditioning class, they exist to subsume others in nested hierarchies of privation by degree of ancestry associated with whiteness.
The loss of ability to formally acknowledge any presumption of superiority, despite benefiting explicitly from systemically unjust institutions (implicit privilege), creates internal conflict which causes whites to either ally with, or oppose, the group's they've oppressed. Ironically, a white can never truly align themselves with their victims as members of the dominant class. Which makes them the forever-oppressor, no matter who has possession of Master's Tools. When whiteness can no longer be synonymized, the dregs can join the collective. Fash types think this is a forge-by-fire allowance, which is cute.

[Anonymous No.19139503]

>>19139491
>Simple: whites, by definition, cannot be oppressed

[Anonymous No.19139507]

>>19139491
Jewish hands typed this post

[Anonymous No.19139518]

>>19139491
Perfect example of Jewish pilpul

[Anonymous No.19139541]

>>19139491
this kind of rhetoric is so wildly effective at making fascists out of any sane white person that I can't help believe this is secretly of fascist origin

there's absolutely no reason to not read this and just outright advocate for your own people and their existence. unless you are literally suicidal, in which case you should just kill yourself, this entire rhetoric is a cry for National Socialism or it's like among white westerners

[Anonymous No.19139551]

>>19139503
>>19139507
>>19139518
>>19139541
I don't know where you people have been, but this is standard postcolonial material (and the bulwark for most of the shit you're complaining about in this thread). It's not subversive at all, literally the opposite. If you can't grapple with basic-bitch stuff like Fanon, you're not even in the conversation.

[Anonymous No.19139560]

>>19139541
How do you think fascists came to power?

>>19139551
By your logic a white person who lives in totalitarian country like China can't be oppressed, this whole post is sophistry

[Anonymous No.19139564]

>>19139551
>I don't know where you people have been, but this is standard postcolonial material
I know, I go to a college in America

>It's not subversive at all, literally the opposite.
which is exactly why "alt-right" type ideologies are the only things the establishment truly shits it's pants about

[Anonymous No.19139580]

>>19138242
>the perils facing our nation
this isn’t the jordan peterson subreddit please fuck off

[Anonymous No.19139592]

>it's not real communism
>they are not real Marxists
It's amazing how these people completely lack any accountability and always shift blame to someone else

[Anonymous No.19139594]

>>19138242
The American Right is so out of touch and retarded. I’m very happy to just watch it shrivel up and slowly die.

[Anonymous No.19139600]

>>19139594
Enjoy starving to death

[Anonymous No.19139608]

>>19139592
>it's not real communism
What people actually mean by this is that no ideologically Communist nation has achieved a communist society. Nations like the Soviet Union and China would never actually refer to themselves as communist, but rather socialist or on the path to socialism.
>they are not real Marxists
There’s nothing Marxist about the so called Postmodern Neo-Marxism.

[Anonymous No.19139615]

>>19139560
>China
Just accept that being white invalidates everything you'll ever accomplish and move on. The existence of one homogeneous oppressor doesn't invalidate the generality of oppression by whites (a collective), it's just an attempt to render what discomforts you inert. You're not labeless, you sponge by existing as a white because institutions aggregate privilege for you.

[Anonymous No.19139617]

>>19139600
I don’t have to worry about that with social safety nets.

[Anonymous No.19139622]

>>19139608
Almost as if communism is utopian bullshit that will never happen
>There’s nothing Marxist about the so called Postmodern Neo-Marxism
And yet those people are self proclaimed marxiats, they are obedient dogs on a chain working for the elite

[Anonymous No.19139642]

>>19138323
Who are they then? Should be easy unless you're just blatantly lying. There are no modern American marxists in academia worth reading. There isn't really that many in general and I'm a actual marxist, so I would probably know better than you.

[Anonymous No.19139647]

>>19139615
You are a filthy jew who doesn't realize that once whites go extinct your whole civilization goes back to the dark age

[Anonymous No.19139660]

>>19139615
Do you believe your own bullshit ? Whites as a whole are on average not the richest or most successful demographic in european countries. High IQ immigrants like East Asians outdo them.

[Anonymous No.19139683]

>>19139622
>Almost as if communism is utopian bullshit that will never happen
What do you think hunter-gatherer societies were?

[Anonymous No.19139697]

>>19139683
Certainly not your egalitarian utopia

[Anonymous No.19139709]

>>19139697
They were communist societies. Marx was also staunchly opposed both egalitarianism and utopianism. You wouldn’t know this as you’ve never read a word of Marx or Engels.

[Anonymous No.19139712]

>>19139647
>>19139660
Again, this is standard postcolonial theory. It doesn't matter what I think, this is what's taught. Demographic data isn't relevant.

[Anonymous No.19139725]

>>19139709
The whole base of communism is equality

[Anonymous No.19139729]

Didnt frederic jameson literally use the term cultural marxism

[Anonymous No.19139741]

Instead of cultural Marxism we should start using bio Leninism

[Anonymous No.19139750]

>>19139725
>Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels believed that an international proletarian revolution would bring about a socialist society which would then eventually give way to a communist stage of social development which would be a classless, stateless, moneyless, humane society erected on common ownership of the means of production and the principle of "From each according to their ability, to each according to their needs". Marxism rejected egalitarianism in the sense of greater equality between classes, clearly distinguishing it from the socialist notion of the abolition of classes based on the division between workers and owners of productive property. Marx's view of classlessness was not the subordination of society to a universal interest such as a universal notion of equality, but it was about the creation of the conditions that would enable individuals to pursue their true interests and desires, making Marx's notion of communist society radically individualistic.

Marx was a proponent of two principles, with the first ("To each according to his contribution") being applied to socialism and the second ("To each according to their needs") to an advanced communist society. Although his position is often confused or conflated with distributive egalitarianism in which only the goods and services resulting from production are distributed according to a notional equality, Marx eschewed the entire concept of equality as abstract and bourgeois in nature, preferring to focus on more concrete principles such as opposition to exploitation on materialist grounds and economic logic.

[Anonymous No.19139757]

>>19139709
Marx was protopian, it's easy to track Saint-Simon's influence.
>>19139729
Yes, it's even the title for a 2007 work. Have an article:
https://theconversation.com/cultural-marxism-and-our-current-culture-wars-part-2-45562

[Anonymous No.19140426]

>>19139741
Lol thank God I’m not white, you guys are actually going to be Holocausted at this rate

[Anonymous No.19140553]

>>19138254
Based and well rounded full picture pilled

[Anonymous No.19140761]

>>19140553
This

[Anonymous No.19140892]

Yes, progressivism is Marxist. Just not in the way that most people think. Communism is a proposed end-point for history that will occur when modern modes of production eventually erode all classes, borders, states, nations, cultures and religions. Since the world will be collectivized, we will share all labor and production. As we can clearly observe right now with liberal capitalism and globalization, all our social norms are collapsing as Marx predicted. Capitalism is constantly in crisis, socialism is popular again, gender is being erased through transgenderism, religion is plummeting, sexuality is fluid, marriage is dying, fertility rates are in hell, the list goes on.

This means that progressives, AKA the liberals and leftists who support all of these developments, really are fulfilling Marxism because they are driving the liberal system into implosion by embracing its worst consequences. It’s exactly as Marx predicted — the revolutionary self-abolition of capitalism, the dialectical step to socialism and eventual communism through the system’s contradictions. I have yet to see anyone refute this analysis since it perfectly aligns with Marxism. The true Marxists of our era are Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg, AOC, and Nikita Dragun.

[Anonymous No.19140928]

>>19138838
Reread the post. Their pandering to gays/minorities/troons is pandering to the CURRENT dominant social beliefs. They're pandering to libs not marxists; marxists make up like 5% of the population tops.

[Anonymous No.19140949]

>>19139302
the irony is you're the sophist. if you weren't, you'd take time to understand those words and make a serious argument instead of saying a lot of nothing, which is your excuse to continue saying nothing while pretending otherwise.

[Anonymous No.19140964]

>>19138946
> marxist epistemology with the millennarian and economic aspects shaved off and employed in service of neolib interests.

So it's not Marxist at all?

[Anonymous No.19140974]

>>19140949
>no u
Thanks for proving my point
Most Marxist thought never leaves academia because it simply does not apply to real life,

[Anonymous No.19140978]

>>19138503
>There is no intersectional theory of alienation, no intersectional theory of historical materialism, no race- or sex- or whatever-theory of value

Completely wrong. How could you even type this out? Every single intersectional theorist owes their ideals to Marx. Class is integrated into their analysis as one of many oppressions. It’s not the defining factor but for most Marxists in America it’s extremely easy to just take the bulk of intersectionality and then tie it all to capitalism. That’s usually what they do. We saw this with BLM and their insistence that white supremacy is “structural” and tied with economic class.

[Anonymous No.19140979]

>>19139354
>>19140928
And yet you only see people on the right opposing it, everyone on the left happily goes along with the progressive agenda because otherwise they would be called a Nazi.
Liberalism is a purity Spital.

[Anonymous No.19141005]

>>19140928
What’s the difference? A liberal is someone who loves LGBT, minorities, BLM, native Americans, abortion, gun control and welfare. A leftist is someone who loves LGBT, minorities, BLM, native Americans, gun control and welfare, but calls themselves a communist. Do you not see why people easily conflate liberalism with Marxism? The question that needs to be answered is why leftist beliefs are the status quo in our institutions and corporate mass media even though they claim to be radicals against these same institutions. They clearly aren’t the underdogs, they aren’t really communists, so what’s their end game?

[Anonymous No.19141014]

>>19141005
>so what’s their end game
There isn't any

[Anonymous No.19141039]

>>19139364
>whites are the only group of people who didn't fall for communism.
Is this bait? Whites invented communism. Marx, Lenin, Trotsky, and Stalin where all white as fuck, unless you're one of the retards that dont believe russians to be white. Go to a modern communist party meeting, there will be like 3 black guys, a dozen brown people, and a sea of angry wh*te twenty-somethings.

[Anonymous No.19141070]

>>19141039
>Marx, Lenin, Trotsky
>white

[Anonymous No.19141080]

>>19141039
(((white)))

[Anonymous No.19141103]

>>19138242
I mean have you tried bringing up books around your local lgbtsjwtfnpc marxist cattle? In no time you will see their beady stupid cowlike eyes light up in panic. Soon enough they will start with the usual subhuman bleating "wasnt he sexist? Arent you being dangerously eurocentric? Hasnt it been debunked as fake news russian bot pseudoscience?Why read books by dead white men when you could have been streaming the latest diverse and inclusive workplace comedies at netflix hulu and disneygo? Didnt you know reading antything beyond YA literature is ableist towards people who are too retarded to read? How does this further the short term electoral goals of the democratic party? Are you saying child sex workers arent real sex workers?Have you been taking your SSRIs and HRT? it is very important that you take the medication dr goldstein prescribed otherwise we will report you to corporate for mandatory sensitivity training as per the domestic terrorism act of 2021"

[Anonymous No.19141156]

>>19140978
Its essentially much like the 60s domestic counterinsurgency any grassroots leadership is coopted or taken out and the agenda always ends up dictated by NGOs and big foundations. The main thing that has changed theyve switched out the wewe are all the same family of man discourse for identitarianism but its a way of promoting a notion of psychological normality and creating subjects to be mobilized. The real criticism of identity politics its that it is bound to resemble colonial governance . effectively "resettling" disperse groups through terror into strategic hamlets were they can be more easily controlled. Made up Categories like latinx or asian american which have no historical grounding. All the power remains on the hands of the good whites essentially the paternalism of the good master backed by an implicit threat of violence. While the low class whites are increasingly subject to neocolonial forms of governance see qanom for example.

[Anonymous No.19141165]

>>19139541
science has proven the existence of unconscious biases, and the effect of representation in media and positions of power on self esteem. Its not a question of racial essentialism but of marginalized people reclaiming their culture after centuries of white heterosexist oppression. The mild discomfort you get from having to acknowledge your privilege is not even one billionth of the terror and humilliation our marginalized comrades experience from constant microagressions and the constant threat of white supremacist terrorism. All PoC remember where they were during the january 6 white supremacist insurrection. identity politics is just empathy and basic human decency,

[Anonymous No.19141279]

>>19141005
>The question that needs to be answered is why leftist beliefs are the status quo in our institutions and corporate mass media even though they claim to be radicals against these same institutions. They clearly aren’t the underdogs, they aren’t really communists, so what’s their end game?

They want to see more queer niggers on tv be prescribed psychiatric medication and buy rainbow colored knick knacks the only problem is they think YOU should be forced to do the same. Which makes them cross the line for mere objects of pity into outright enemies

[Anonymous No.19141372]

>>19138242
Jew book

[Anonymous No.19141375]

>>19141372
Jews play on both sides

[Anonymous No.19141388]

>>19139741
LGBT= warm body NPCs purpose engineered biopolitical clientele for multinational corporations pharmaceuticals and NGOs. a single indistinct mass of pink haired consumer cattle who dont breed think or question authority.

[Anonymous No.19141391]

>>19141375
no shit

[Anonymous No.19141400]

>>19141388
God, wouldn't it just feel great to make them go away somehow, you know, load them all up into trucks, drive them out to the countryside, make them dig a nice big trench, wouldn't the very air we breathe feel much cleaner? Im actually begining to think it would be the most merciful thing to do, its the corporations and the libs that insist in keeping these poor wretches alive as fodder for their social enginnering experiments.

[Anonymous No.19141439]

>>19141039

[Anonymous No.19141456]

>>19138602
I like the term 'cultural marxism' because it pisses all the right people off.

[Anonymous No.19141490]

>>19138288
marxist and lgbtsjwtfnpc represent capitalism at its most degraded, snivelling human cattle, whatever is left once you take away all human dignity. A movement for peoples renewal can only begin with the liquidation of all diseased elements.

[Anonymous No.19141497]

>the entire thread is some foppy self-absorbed faggot's autistic crusade against the use of the term 'Cultural Marxism' and pointless semantic hairsplitting
Wow, I sure do hope we'll manage to establish what is or isn't real Marxism and whether Deleuze predicted all that first by the time our grandchildrens are turned into barely sentient agender shitlib consumer meat.

[Anonymous No.19141516]

>>19138324
Circular.

Yikes.

[Anonymous No.19141531]

>>19140978
Terminally retarded

[Anonymous No.19141567]

>>19141497
The term suggests a relationship where there is none. Using it blinds the users from recognizing the real mechanisms at work and instead chalks it all up to a boogeyman. Infantile. Eat shit.

[Anonymous No.19141573]

>>19141567
bringing class to race war is like bringing a knife to a gunfight.


LGBT = leftist social engineering community. they serve elite goals such as depopulation and the normalization of pedophila and the cultural geocide of western peoples. as such thehy are to be regarded as parasites and biological enemies.

[Anonymous No.19141583]

>>19138254
What does the book say? How bad is it?

[Anonymous No.19141587]

>>19141573
Don't disagree with you

[Anonymous No.19141593]

>>19141567
marx' criticism of capitalism is for the most part right, but the only solution can only possibly be reactionary. a no holds barred vitalist alternative to the putrid liturgy of slave morality preached from the pulpits of media and major. corporations. what greater act of life loving rebellion than to strike directrly at then systems holy. cows, the politically correct victimhood groups? a refusal of the lie that holds disease as preferable to health submission and weakness to strenght and youth?

[Anonymous No.19141622]

>>19141593
That Marxism is necessarily revolutionary is another reason why cultural Marxism doesn't make sense as a term for what we see today, as it is essentially integrationist: "Everyone must be able to consume under this system equally."

It's hard to take the argument up from a more (modern) orthodox Marxist perspective because I'm not familiar with contemporary viewpoints, but on the surface I'd be inclined to agree. The victim cults' rampant individualism is anathema, as are their demands which only go as far as asking for (ostensibly) equal participation in the system rather than its destruction. Obvious they are typically members of the proletariat first and foremost, but at this point they may be likened to Marx's criminals. Might be my prejudice towards them but I don't see them jumping ship from their dogma for a more collective proletarian movement.

But I'm not a Marxist.

[Anonymous No.19141658]

>>19141070
Marx and Trotsky were white, but Lenin was mixed as he was a Tartar.

[Anonymous No.19141778]

>>19138275
>if marxism was the state ideology we would be marxist
We are state marxist.

[Anonymous No.19141785]

Leftism doesn't work.

[Anonymous No.19141789]

>>19141658
you mean jooish?

[Anonymous No.19141847]

>>19141785
>"Everyone must be able to consume under this system equally."

it's equity, not equality. it's a famous phrase from marx, "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs." not sure if you know what you're saying.

[Anonymous No.19141862]

>>19138242
All these “conservative” books written about one or two minor issues like BLM, feminism, cancel culture etc. are dumb, they always miss the actual problem, which is perhaps what someone like Levin intends to do
Also
>reading mainstream conservative books/news inward of just“schizo“ sites and books and /pol/

[Anonymous No.19141885]

>>19141573
your brain is mashed potatoes. i think systemic racism is a thing unless you ignore the history of our legal system. but i do think it is used to divide people so people don't figure out that this is literally a class war. we have corporate takeover of our government in various levels from federal to local and sadly judicial (how else can we explain citizens united? and when are decisions made that don't benefit big businesses first?).

complete campaign finance reform but people are distracted over smaller issues (which are very important...but are used to get attention from the ONE most important issue...and that is having a government that serves the general public's interest first...wow so radical!)

[Anonymous No.19141886]

>>19139750
>To each according to his contribution
this is pure fascism and they dont even know it.

[Anonymous No.19141906]

>>19141490
This is like blaming the pandemic on democrats convincing republicans to not get vaccinated, you stupid mother fucker.

[Anonymous No.19141996]

>>19138281
Trump, Rubio, every other republican, all of the jan 6 protestors, every republican internet personality including the pozzed ones like Blair White, the entirety of 4chan and especially /pol/, Putin, Xi and every non-western leader

James Watson, Richard Dawkins, Jordan Peterson, several other famous academics

[Anonymous No.19142021]

>>19141847
Leftism does not work. Everywhere, every single time, no matter where on the planet, what race, what year, leftism always fails.

[Anonymous No.19142023]

>>19142021
It’s working right now in the west

[Anonymous No.19142030]

>>19142023
At least you admit that leftists are taking over unlike so many other communists.

[Anonymous No.19142036]

>>19142023
no it's not
>>19142030
retard

[Anonymous No.19142057]

>>19142036
Bioleninism is leftist. If you mean
>muh techno billionaires
Then that phenomenon is about as alien to the cultural right wing as it is to the marxist. The cultural right hates neoliberalism as much as you do, you just like to pretend that these tech billionaires that vote democrat, run their boards with a 50/50 gender split, etc are in cahoots with the average white incel on /pol/.

[Anonymous No.19142071]

>>19141165
I really can't tell if posts like these are bait anymore

[Anonymous No.19142080]

>>19142036
>retard
How so? Have you read the book in the OP? There's a very obvious shift occurring.

[Anonymous No.19142083]

>>19142023
Where in the left do you see leftism and where is it working?

[Anonymous No.19142090]

>>19141885
>systemic racism is a thing
yes that's why we need affirmative action to destroy meritocracy

[Anonymous No.19142100]

>>19141906
I mean we all know its the faggots who were behind the aids pandemic and they are behind the woke pandemic.

[Anonymous No.19142105]

>>19141567
>The term suggests a relationship where there is none
The relationship is crystal clear. The entire modern idpol shitfest is informed by the Foucaultian opressor-opressed power dynamics model which he lifted straight up from Marxism and applied to everything he could lay his grubby little manlet hands on. This much is evident even to smoothbrain poltards and you'd have to be deliberately obtuse to not see this connection.
>Using it blinds the users from recognizing the real mechanisms at work and instead chalks it all up to a boogeyman
This is the problem with pseuds. You'd much rather spend several hours arguing about utterly inconsequential terminology choices than reveal any original thoughts on the actual topic at hand (or at the very least on the bait book in oppic). Does the term Cultural Marxism cause any genuine confusion? No, everyone ITT knows precisely which set of phenomena it denotes. Did anyone surmise that BLM-twittertrannies with aposematically colored hair belong to the same ideological club as Stalinist/Maoist tankies, who'd gladly roll the former over with an APC, or dropout neets, who spend their entire time in Discord telling each other to read more theory? No, not even the sneediest election tourist would go that far. Is anyone going to get sued by the Karl Marx estate for inappopriate usage of the term or libel? Unlikely. Is "proper Marxism" even present on the modern political landscape in tangible quantities to warrant being pedantic about labels? Not at all. So at the end of the day you're here droning on and on about something of absolutely no substance. All your meticulously measured turns of phrase with carefully inlaid namedrops, all the "brilliant" adhoc historic departures, that no doubt made you quietly chortle as you felt enlightened by your own intelligence while typing them out, all the supposedly clever comebacks and gotchas, they all amount to little more than an ornate youtube comment. Something a precocious teenager might say like "ackshually communism is an utopian stateless end-goal of the socialist movement, so 'communist state' is an oxymoron" or "Marx denied being a marxist" and smugly go back to fondling himself over the idea of being Saussure 2.0. You are the reason we find ourselves in the current state of neolib decay. You and every other faggot who thinks his vapid ramblings bring forth something substantial to the overall political discourse. I sincerely hope some rightoid reactionaries seize power in one of the Western states and go on to actively stamp out the moldy pseudointellectual brainrot cult that is modern day academic leftism, ever more interested in churning out vain autofellatory palavers than generating authentic ideas of merit and utility. I know by that point you're itching to reply with some standard formalism-obsessed bugman tripe like "nomenclature is very important to intellectually honest debates" and you shouldn't even bother. Eat shit and die, mental midget.

[Anonymous No.19142116]

>>19142080
>>19142057
if you're actually "left wing" in the west, see: a thread to the establishment

you will be murdered.

[Anonymous No.19142143]

>>19142116
>left wing
>a threat to the establishment
"Man Who Agrees With the Media, Universities, Corporations, Military, and Hollywood Thinks He's Part of The Resistance"

[Anonymous No.19142164]

>>19142090
meritocracy doesn't always work either. there is certainly a place for it. in public schools the students who need the most help get passed around because no teacher wants them. they only want the students who excel when their pay/bonus is based on classroom performance.

the issue is so nuanced that if you're going to oversimplify to make points then it's probably best you calmly speak to people outside your bubble to get a variety of opinions.

[Anonymous No.19142175]

>>19142116
Phew if that was the case all the CUNYs near me would be painted in blood

[Anonymous No.19142182]

>>19142164
>meritocracy doesn't always work either
No one has ever claimed it does always work. It is however the best system in an uncertain world.

[Anonymous No.19142184]

>>19142164
>public

sorry i meant private schools.

[Anonymous No.19142185]

>>19142164
Your solution is to give black people endless free shit and make them dependent on government

[Anonymous No.19142187]

>>19142116
Name a single example.

>>19142083
Social: cultural marxism
Economic: unparalleled peacetime taxation, regulation and government spending on social programs
>but muh 1% getting richer
Pretending like wealth inequality per se is a right wing position is a spook. Indeed, the reason the neolib techno billionaires have been able to consolidate so much wealth is because of anti-free market practices. Eg, the military contractor billionaires exist off government gibs, i.e. from overtaxation of the white white-collar worker class.

[Anonymous No.19142195]

>>19142143
>>19142175
>>19142187
you retards don't know what "left wing" is

[Anonymous No.19142197]

>>19142195
no true scottsman

[Anonymous No.19142199]

>>19142182
no, the best system would be a variety of systems where they are best suited, and not to worship one at the expense of all others. i don't think it would necessarily be a bureaucratic mess. it only becomes that because lawmakers don't want anything transparent or obvious. if things were transparent or simple they couldn't find ways to milk shit for personal or corporate interests.

[Anonymous No.19142202]

>>19142197
>what i say is left wing, if you say it's not left wing it's no true scottsman fallacy!
>t. idiot

[Anonymous No.19142205]

>>19142199
>i don't think it would necessarily be a bureaucratic mess
And yet every single time it becomes one.

Meritocracy is by far the best alternative, freedom > all.

[Anonymous No.19142209]

>>19142185
>Your solution is to give black people endless free shit and make them dependent on government

i never said nor implied that. but your solution is to sacrifice children to the devil and i won't stand for it. I WON'T!!!!

[Anonymous No.19142215]

>>19142202
No, this is an actual thing leftists do all the time.
>that wasn't true communism/socialism/leftism !!!!!!
>no, you don't understand, socialism is collective ownership of the means of production.
>What does that mean? Well it means that ... uhhh we all own capital goods and own what they produce
>No this has literally never been tried yet
>No, you don't understand, that wasn't real socialism
Etc...

Define what you mean by leftism first, and then we can argue about it. My first comment suggested that government, i.e. public, control over productive enterprise is leftist, as is in line with the "collective ownership of production" definition. If you're not happy with that then define your terms.

[Anonymous No.19142226]

>>19142215
rightism means allowing 5 year old children to work in assembly lines and tossing the disabled into the fires. obviously i'm kidding but your brain is so polarizing. do you ever have a serious productive conversation with someone who thinks different than you?

[Anonymous No.19142228]

>>19142226
I'm trying to, kind of hard if you don't define your terms.

[Anonymous No.19142230]

>>19142215
right wing is the status quo and left wing is the opposition
that is by definition.
>>19142226
not me

[Anonymous No.19142231]

>>19142195
>real leftism has never been tried

[Anonymous No.19142239]

>>19142230
>Where in the west do you see leftism and where is it working?
>right wing is the status quo and left wing is the opposition, that is by definition.
Ok well do you now see how and why you're retarded and arguing in bad faith?

[Anonymous No.19142241]

>>19142195
Leftism is a political spectrum that tries to integrate marginalized people into modernity typically by worshipping inferiority and valorizing revolution. The goal of every leftist is to be a loyal foot soldier for The Party even if they define their entire existence on opposing The Party. It doesn’t matter if they want to uplift proletariat or liberate LGBT people, it’s the same slave morality and envy at the core.

[Anonymous No.19142243]

>>19142226
Leftism means raping children and mutilating their genitals in the name of diversity it means spending massive resources on the weak and diseased while shunning strenght.

[Anonymous No.19142250]

>>19142239
there is no leftism in the west, it's only the status quo. i'm not even arguing, i am just dictating to you the answers you are looking for and it's not going through your tiny tiny brain.

[Anonymous No.19142251]

>>19142215
It's no use, those dipshits love playing word games

[Anonymous No.19142256]

>>19142241
>Leftism is a political spectrum
no it isn't, there's no "political spectrum"
you are a retard

by your stinking logic lenin was a right winger

[Anonymous No.19142261]

>>19142250
Ok so real leftists cant exist here. So who exactly are the real leftists in the west getting murdered?

[Anonymous No.19142262]

>>19142251
you are the one playing word games you dumb fucking retard

>leftism is the thing i don't like
>right wing is the thing i like
fuck you idiot.

[Anonymous No.19142266]

>>19142187
>Economic: unparalleled peacetime taxation

[Anonymous No.19142271]

>>19142262
He never implied that you imbecile

[Anonymous No.19142272]

>>19142261
the fact of the matter is that there is no opposition. not in europe, not in the americas. everyone is complacent and democracy is running just the way it is supposed to be.

you're just distracted by bread and circuses and making connections which aren't there
>oh this establishment funded thing i don't like is LEFT WING, while this establishment funding thing I do like is RIGHT WING
it's utter retardation.

[Anonymous No.19142274]

>>19142271
all you fucking retards who think in the "left"-"right" meme think like this, you fucking imbeciles.

[Anonymous No.19142277]

Why do these Conservative types have to be so cringe about being correct?

[Anonymous No.19142278]

>>19142272
>>19142274
I love how you keep deflecting without addressing my point

[Anonymous No.19142279]

>>19142266
>the numbers don't lie
>and they spell disaster for you

[Anonymous No.19142282]

>>19142272
Thats great bro but that wasnt the question. Dont make sensationalist claims in the first place.

[Anonymous No.19142283]

>>19142278
you don't have a point dumbass. there is no "left wing", there is nothing that inherently makes the LGBT shit you happen to not like "left wing"

left wing, historically always meant the political movement who sought to overthrow the establishment. that is the bottom line.

[Anonymous No.19142286]

>>19142256
What are you even talking about dumbfuck, Lenin was the blueprint for leftists worshiping The Party. Every leftist has the DNA of Lenin — his resentment, his religious devotion to ideology, his arrogance, etc. You can’t possibly define “Leftism” in any other way. It’s simply an ideological label that idolizes oppression and desires all people to have equal participation in the modern world, hence their dislike of colonialism. It’s not that they disagree with Western ideals or modernity, it’s just that they don’t want straight white men to hold the monopoly on those values. They must be “represented” and their identities must “intersect” within the system. The core of today’s woke shit is just that mixture of envy and resentment. It doesn’t go any deeper. The system stays the exact same and leftists are the agents of its decadence. You still have liberal capitalism destroying the world, leftists just want more rainbow-haired LGBT minorities doing it instead of just white people.

[Anonymous No.19142288]

>>19142266
Yep, read Hoppe

[Anonymous No.19142290]

>>19142272
Where exactly are there conservatives in positions of power, where are they?
How and in which way are they "conserving" anything? they simply don't exist anymore.

This of course opens up a whole host of spoon fed talking points which are really easy to dismantle. Ask them to take a step back and see where society has headed during the past 10 years. Remember when Obama said that marriage was between a man and a woman? by the end of his 2nd mandate, not only was gay marriage legal, but also we where fighting over to which bathrooms should trans people use. Are the big banks and CEOs conservative?

in the article from the times that released last week we know that Zuckerberg donated over 300 million to pro biden campaigners, not only that, but also they where having weekly meetings at his house talking about how to make Biden the winner. Besos donated 10 million to BLM after George Floyd, google donated 12 million, microsoft 1,5 million and so on.

Even with "conservative" leaders, even during the Trump mandate, we went so far as to people getting banned from twitter or right out fired for saying that trans women are not women or the fact that Trump himself still being president got shadow banned from all social media sites. So again, where and how exactly are this spooky backwards conservatives holding any power or decision making in society? ask them to point it out to you.

These people will just deny reality and twist it back on to you. For instance: they will claim that all the media companies (including CNN, and so on) are right wing capitalists, or run by them. And they believe that universities are filled with neoliberals who don't do enough about equality, fairness, diversity, etc.

You can see this right now with the border crisis. Under Obama this wasn't a problem, because Obama good, then Trump committed crimes against humanity with his policies, and now good old Joe is back and we can breathe a sigh of relief, all is well again. And supporting BLM is just something "good" people do, even conservatives should do it. At no point does any thinking occur in their brains. That's another reason why people are now turning against Cuomo. It's because he's now an approved target and thus the story of the nursing homes we all knew for a year is covered in detail.

[Anonymous No.19142296]

>>19142282
you don't have a question, I just told you what left wing means, it's the movement which is overthrowing the established authority. that is literally all.

>>19142286
>lenin
>resentment
retard. clearly ignorant of history. lenin wasn't even a worker, and nietzsche would consider lenin one of the "higher men". don't reply to me anymore, you are retarded.

[Anonymous No.19142298]

>>19142261
>>19142283
Debates about property and economics are cringe and not fundamental to left / right. Neoliberalism IS the contemporary left wing movement. Leftism is defined by technocracy, materialism, utilitarianism, rationalism, universalism and atheism. Neoliberal SJWs believe all this and alt or new right is the opposite.

Doing the "real leftism is muh retro Marxism from 200 years ago" is a tired cope for white people who don't want to bend the knee to identity politics. America isn't an industrial economy anymore, why would we have working class Marxism like 100 years ago? Aside from that, bringing back movements from centuries ago is the definition of reactionary.

[Anonymous No.19142303]

>>19142288
You have to be at least 18 years of age to post here, based memesnek bro.

[Anonymous No.19142306]

>>19142290
>in the article from the times that released last week we know that Zuckerberg donated over 300 million to pro biden campaigners, not only that, but also they where having weekly meetings at his house talking about how to make Biden the winner. Besos donated 10 million to BLM after George Floyd, google donated 12 million, microsoft 1,5 million and so on.
They're just building goodwill by siding with socially progressive issues - at the end of the day, they do all see themselves in a different class from the general population. They do want a different ruleset for themselves than most people.

>[...] you can see this right now with the border crisis. Under Obama this wasn't a problem, because Obama good, then Trump committed crimes against humanity with his policies, and now good old Joe is back and we can breathe a sigh of relief, all is well again.
Many leftists have been attacking Biden on this issue as well.

Big industries (like the military, for example) continue to thrive in any sort of government, the institutions of power have one large goal (even if it's among others) - to hold on, retain, and grow that power.

[Anonymous No.19142308]

>>19142296
The political left is technological society’s first line of defense against revolution. In fact, the left today serves as a kind of fire extinguisher that douses and quenches any nascent revolutionary movement. What do I mean by “the left ”? If you think that racism, sexism, gay rights, animal rights, indigenous people’s rights, and “social justice” in general are among the most important issues that the world currently faces, then you are a leftist as I use that term. If you don’t like this application of the world “leftist,” then you are free to designate the people I’m referring to by some other term. But, whatever you call them, the people who extinguish revolutionary movements are the people who are drawn indiscriminately to causes: racism, sexism, gay rights, animal rights, the environment, poverty, sweatshops, neocolonialism…it’s all the same to them. These people constitute a subculture that has been labeled “the adversary culture.” Whenever a movement of resistance begins to emerge, these leftists (or whatever you choose to call them) come swarming to it like flies to honey until they outnumber the original members of the movement, take it over, and turn it into just another leftist faction, thereby emasculating it.

[Anonymous No.19142309]

>>19142283
Why do leftoid trannies always gaslight?

[Anonymous No.19142316]

>>19142303
>commie calling others underage

[Anonymous No.19142319]

>>19142296
>nietzsche would consider lenin one of the "higher men"

The same Nietzsche who violently hated socialists, called them successors to Christianity, and celebrated their political repression? God you’re a fucking moron, and even if leftism was about opposing the establishment, you still couldn’t give an answer as to why progressive left views are the standard beliefs in our mass culture. It already is the establishment. It just isn’t socialist or communist in nature, it’s liberalism committing suicide.

[Anonymous No.19142322]

>>19142290
if you get any more cynical about the way the world works you might hurt yourself.

also big tech supports progressive shit in public but also donates to conservative movements all the time. especially for a judicial system that will uphold citizens united and assholes who want to keep the corporate tax rate low. don't kid yourself that they support anything other than what helps their financial bottom line.

[Anonymous No.19142328]

>>19142322
>also donates to conservative movements all the time
Such as?
Most of them donate to democrats and BLM

[Anonymous No.19142329]

>>19142290
>blm
right wing
>besos
right wing
>trump
right wing
>biden
right wing

you are so dumb that you don't even know what the establishment is. you are literally so bamboozled by the media that you don't even know what the status quo is.
all the things you are citing are part of the "game". stop watching the news.

>>19142298
neoliberalism is right wing. in fact neo liberalism is the life blood of the current global machine

>>19142308
there is no left wing opposition, they don't exist. even your white nationalist militia larp is more "left wing"
left wing, by DEFINITION, IS the revolution

>>19142309
retard

[Anonymous No.19142332]

>>19142316
>retard who believes in magic hyperrational omniscient individual actor theory the same way commies believe in magic hyperrational omniecient proletariat goes all out
You have to be at least 18 years of age to post here, based memesnek bro.

[Anonymous No.19142338]

>>19142319
nietzsche railed against utopian socialists, the same kind of people marx railed against in his economic writings.

did you forget that lenin literally murdered socialists and anarchists, you idiot?

>you still couldn’t give an answer as to why progressive left views are the standard beliefs in our mass culture
IF THEY ARE THE STANDARD BELIEFS THEY ARE RIGHT WING YOU FOOL. THE LGBT """LEFTIST""" SHIT YOU DON'T LIKE IS AN IDEOLOGICAL WEAPON.

[Anonymous No.19142339]

>>19142329
>everything I don't like is right wing!
lmao you are doing exactly what you accuse others of
fucking retard

You have no idea how much the overton windoe has moved to the left in 50 years

[Anonymous No.19142340]

>>19142303
Ok, let me summarize, taxation has historically been much lower, governments have been smaller. Note that the same graph shows a top marginal income tax rate of 7% before ww1. That's why taxation as seen today is unparalleled historically, as is the size of the government. This is primarily because the government is now liable to give gibs to everybody in society. You don't need to be a lolbert to acknowledge this, in fact, I'm not.

[Anonymous No.19142341]

>>19142332
>im entitled to frees tuff from the government because I don't want to work
There's a reason why most people grow out of socialism once they leave college

[Anonymous No.19142346]

>>19142329
Actual right wingers hate neo liberalism

[Anonymous No.19142347]

>>19142339
YOU RETARD. UNDERSTAND THAT IF THE ESTABLISHMENT PEDDLES A CERTAIN VIEW, A CERTAIN WAY OF THINKING, IT IS RIGHT WING.

RIGHT WING=ESTABLISHMENT
LEFT WING=OPPOSITION

DO YOU NOT READ HISTORY? DO YOU NOT KNOW ABOUT THE THREE ESTATES? I SAID EVEN LITERAL WHITE NATIONALISM IS "LEFT WING", IN RESPECT TO THE ESTABLISHMENT.

IDIOT.

[Anonymous No.19142355]

>>19142329
>left wing, by DEFINITION, IS the revolution
LMAO do you write for Salon?

[Anonymous No.19142357]

>>19142346
"ACTUAL RIGHT WINGERS" ARE LEFT WINGERS.

[Anonymous No.19142358]

>>19138595
It was always "post modernists", of which he makes a fair number of good points.

[Anonymous No.19142361]

>>19142355
you are unfathomably retarded, you are probably just trolling

[Anonymous No.19142364]

>>19142346
Maybe but I wouldn't call someone like Hillary Clinton a "Leftist" despite being a neo-lib. She's been historically slow in support progressive movements (such as gay rights), and is pretty war-hawkish. Just echoing that anon, but a lot of U.S. Democrats would be considered right-wing in many parts of the world.

[Anonymous No.19142366]

>>19142341
I have no idea who you're quoting, but I'll leave you to your obviously important imaginary fight with ebil gommies.

[Anonymous No.19142369]

>>19142347
So the ultimate goal of communism is basically conformism because you wont want to revolt ever?

[v_v !!+e0M0fBMYzt No.19142370]

true story

[Anonymous No.19142373]

It's interesting how every side of the political triangle has a different definition of the left/right dichotomy
For absolutists it's about change and stability
For individualists about collectivism and freedom
And for communists about equality and elitism.

[Anonymous No.19142376]

>>19142369
the ultimate goal of communism is freedom from money

[Anonymous No.19142377]

>>19142361
>he has no arguments so he's just hurling insults now
I fucking hate sophists like you and wish all of you would get thrown out of helicopters, you think you are good people but you're actively making the world worse

[Anonymous No.19142380]

>>19142373
there is no such thing as the "political spectrum"
no such thing.

whoever came up with it should have been aborted

[Anonymous No.19142381]

>>19138242
Does anyone here ascribe to the "political compass" theory of the political spectrum?

[Anonymous No.19142384]

>>19142338
>Lenin literally murdered socialists and anarchists
yes, the useful idiots like you who thought they would be in paradise after their revolution
Once communist revolution ends they always go for stability and kill off the revolutionaries.

[Anonymous No.19142389]

>>19142377
DO YOU EVEN KNOW MY VIEWS IDIOT?
I JUST TOLD YOU THAT BY DEFINITION
RIGHT=STATUS QUO
LEFT=OPPOSITION

DID I SAY ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT "LEFT" BELIEVES OR WHAT "RIGHT" BELIEVES? NO. I SIMPLY GAVE YOU A SIMPLE DEFINITION AND YOU ARE JUST LIKE
"hah stupid lefty thinks he is the revolution"

IT'S NOT ABOUT ME RETARD, IT'S ABOUT THE OPPOSITION AND THE STATUS QUO. THAT IS LITERALLY IT. THAT IS POLITICS.

[Anonymous No.19142391]

>>19142364
>a lot of U.S. Democrats would be considered right-wing in many parts of the world
Like Western Europe? Countries like Germany, Sweden and UK are so far gone that there is no one remotely conservative.

[Anonymous No.19142396]

>>19142366
Are you playing dumb?

[Anonymous No.19142402]

>>19142384
>like you
WHAT ABOUT ME, DID I EVER SAY ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT I THINK? I AM NOT ARGUING POLITICAL BELIEFS. I NEVER DID IN THIS THREAD.

ALL I SAID WAS THE """STATUS QUO"""" IS RIGHT WING, and the """OPPOSITION""" IS LEFT WING. THAT IS ALL. THAT IS LITERALLY IT.

WHEN DEMOCRATS CALL THEMSELVES "LEFT WING", OR THE MEDIA BRANDS PEOPLE AS """RIGHT WING EXTREMISTS""", THEY ARE USING THESE LABELS YOU HAVE GROWN SO ACCUSTOMED TO IN YOUR MIND AS IDEOLOGICAL WEAPONS TO MAKE YOU DEVELOP CERTAIN THOUGHT PATTERNS

UGH, YOU ARE SO STUPID.

[Anonymous No.19142404]

>>19142389
>LEFT=OPPOSITION
So when Communists took over soviet union and murdered their opponents they became the right?
So the left can effectively never be in power because they must always be in opposition.

Does that mean nationalists in China are left wing?

[Anonymous No.19142405]

>>19138242
threads like these as well as whitehating twitter shitlib threads are the same. pitiful laziness full of justification for the hatred you feel, meaning in place of your inferiority. cool I'm retarded and am wrong because blah blah blah. hopefully this is all just glowie shit. at least have the decency to contain yourselves to /pol/

[Anonymous No.19142409]

>>19142380
Yes there is you illiterate retard, that pic shows it quite well

[Anonymous No.19142410]

>>19142391
>Countries like Germany, Sweden and UK are so far gone that there is no one remotely conservative.
Well then, what's a Tory? From my perspective, the Conservative party is still strong in a country like the UK.

[Anonymous No.19142414]

>>19142376
so utopian nonsense alright

[Anonymous No.19142418]

>>19142410
>he actually thinks Tories are conservative
LMAO they just want to turn UK into a muzzie filled shithole more slowly

[Anonymous No.19142421]

>>19142404
>So when Communists took over soviet union and murdered their opponents they became the right?
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

>Does that mean nationalists in China are left wing?
idk about the political situation in china

>>19142409
no, there isn't.
>>19142414
depends on how your brain functions.

[Anonymous No.19142423]

>>19142391
>Countries like Germany, Sweden and UK are so far gone that there is no one remotely conservative.
Did you learn that from infographics or something? Open any anglo expat forum about Germany and witness hordes of women crying about getting "looked down on" for not having a family or fumbling around with non-starter careers.

[Anonymous No.19142424]

>>19142381
>political compass
It's useful in terms of comparing individuals or groups as they relate to one another, but I never understand where these political spectrums determine the "true centrist" to be. It's still all relative.

[Anonymous No.19142425]

There are no Marxists in America.
Neither are there any fascists.
There’s not gonna be an October Revolution nor Beer Hall Putsch in America any time soon.

[Anonymous No.19142430]

>>19142423
>hordes of women crying about getting "looked down on" for not having a family or fumbling around with non-starter careers
And the same women will welcome shitskin refugees with open arms

[Anonymous No.19142432]

>>19142381
>>19142424
Political compass isn't accurate because libertarian left doesn't exist
Political trichotomy is much better
>>19142373

[Anonymous No.19142433]

>>19142425
very true
all things considered, a red-black alliance is actually quite likely

[Anonymous No.19142434]

>>19142389
>>19142402
>>19142421
lmao he's getting really mad

[Anonymous No.19142437]

>>19142430
>I saw it on pol!
So you are an infographic researcher, thanks for cofirming.

[Anonymous No.19142443]

>>19142425
Instead America is just gonna slowly crumble into irrelevance and mediocrity and fall apart

[Anonymous No.19142449]

>>19142381
>>19142424
It is dumb to have a chart like this and not have a justification as to why all the data points have been clustered into the top right corner. At least explain what "centrism" is for the chart, or better yet, just make all the data points relative and set the origin point to the averages.

>>>19142432
>Political compass isn't accurate because libertarian left doesn't exist
I think it does actually exist, but it wouldn't be that popular if people actually had to live in that kinda world.

[Anonymous No.19142451]

>>19142437
Cope

[Anonymous No.19142457]

>>19142449
lib left is for dub burned out hippies who don't realize equality and freedom oppose each other

[Anonymous No.19142458]

>>19142434
because i'm talking to stupid idiots who identify as "right wingers" who think that the false opposition the establishment shits out is "left wing"

you are probably a white nationalist too, which if you weren't retarded you'd know who ryan faulk was- who also made a video on this exact subject and is saying the same exact shit i am right now

[Anonymous No.19142464]

>>19142458
I don't identify as right wing because the right has no future, we just need to survive the collapse so we can rebuild


>who ryan faulk was- who also made a video on this exact subject
which one? I haven't watched Alternative Hypothesis in years

[Anonymous No.19142465]

>>19142457
>lib left is for du[m]b burned out hippies who don't realize equality and freedom oppose each other
I disagree, but that's arguable I guess. Regardless, as a political category it definitely "exists." The political spectrum chart just makes more sense since it's two-axis.

[Anonymous No.19142469]

>>19142432
>libertarian left doesn't exist
based retard
>>19142381
They're as useful Myers Briggs tests. Opinions on private ownership vs collective ownership is not a spectrum.

[Anonymous No.19142472]

>>19142451
Ebin.

[Anonymous No.19142478]

>>19142465
>>19142469
Here's a chart of 2016 electorate by where people voted, do you notice anything?
https://www.mgtow.tv/watch/political-trichotomy-there-is-no-libertarian-left_HzBiIvhUpEajNXL.html

[Anonymous No.19142479]

>>19142469
>Opinions on private ownership vs collective ownership is not a spectrum.
Eh I think it can be - I think people can make distinctions about what is fair or just to be owned. Like what about owning huge amounts of residential real estate and buying it above market prices so it can be rented out? What about "owning" people? It's not a binary question.

[Anonymous No.19142483]

>>19142469

[Anonymous No.19142489]

>>19139353
Hilarious that people unironically post Bezmenov - the guy who left the Soviet Union because they didn't allow his interracial marriage and then started working for Western intelligence propaganda, to convince rubes like you that the KGB was engaging in the same tactics the CIA was using.

[Anonymous No.19142490]

>>19142478
>there is no libertarian left
Right, there wouldn't be many votes for Libertarian Left candidates since there aren't many running in the first place. But it "exists" as a group, both formally and informally - just look at how a food co-op operates for example.

[Anonymous No.19142492]

>>19142464
https://www.bitchute.com/video/eczKlK-j-Qg/
if that doesn't work, you'll need a mirror
anyway his whole point is that "left wingers" just have outgroup preference and says the same autismo shit about estates and status quo as I am

"white nationalists", aka normal white people want a bit of their own land and to be left on their own. all they want is "freedom". not only that, they don't acknowledge it, nor do they want to admit it, but they want some form of socialization of big business. no WN i know likes amazon, or apple, or whatever.

i liken them to revolutionary catalonia. it's no mistake that most white nationalists are also kinda dumb and working class.

[Anonymous No.19142497]

>>19142483
Scarcity is a problem caused by our current economic existence.
>Law and order
meme

[Anonymous No.19142504]

>>19142490
>>there is no libertarian left
I don't think that anon is arguing that the "Libertarian Left" doesn't "really" exist (people can technically call themselves whatever they want), but that he prefers the Political Trichotomy because he doesn't view them as legitimate. And to his credit, we haven't had many successful, large-scale "Libertarian Left" societies.

[Anonymous No.19142508]

>>19142492
like i said >>19142433
beware the coming red-black alliance.
>In our movement the two extremes come together: the Communists from the Left and the officers and students from the Right. These two have always been the most active elements, and it was the greatest crime that they used to oppose each other in street fights... Our party has already succeeded in uniting these two utter extremes within the ranks of our storm troops. They will form the core of the great German liberation movement, in which all without distinction will stand together when the day comes to say: 'The Nation arises, the storm is breaking!'

[Anonymous No.19142513]

>>19142381
>>19142424
>>19142449
>>19142465
>>19142478
>>19142483

[Anonymous No.19142515]

>>19142489
Funny because everything he predicted came true, we are so deep into the moral subversion you don't even see it.
There are multiple people who escaped totalitarian places like Soviet Union and Korea who are saying USA is turning totalitarian.

[Anonymous No.19142516]

>>19142483
>"rights" in the absence of government
Very cool.

[Anonymous No.19142525]

>>19142504
>large-scale "Libertarian Left" societies.
No, there's not, that's the point. It's not supposed to be large scale because then it wouldn't be very libertarian. You're still thinking of things in terms of countries, our current political order.

[Anonymous No.19142529]

>>19142497
>Scarcity is a problem caused by our current economic existence
Oh you are one of those retards who think we can achieve post scarcity utopia
>law and order is a meme
lol then everyone should have right to own a gun

[Anonymous No.19142535]

>>19142490
>>19142504
Socialist policies require big government to work which is in direct opposition with liberatarianism.

[Anonymous No.19142539]

>>19142535
>socialism is when the gubment does stuff
xD

[Anonymous No.19142540]

>>19142504
>we haven't had many successful, large-scale "Libertarian Left" societies.
It wouldn't be a "country." And the popularity of things like credits unions, food co-ops, etc. is rising.

[Anonymous No.19142544]

>>19142539
>socialism is when the gubment gibs free stuff
ftfy

[Anonymous No.19142549]

>>19142535
>Socialist policies require big government to work which is in direct opposition with libertarianism.
What's your argument here? That AOC is not Libertarian Left or something? Sure but I still think "Libertarian Left" very much exists lol

[Anonymous No.19142550]

What can I do to make the future better

[Anonymous No.19142551]

>>19142483
If any of those don't exist it's the libertarian right. Having powerful rich people controlling everything is not libertarian. They would just become the government.
>>19142529
>lol then everyone should have right to own a gun
Yeah
>>19142535
>Socialist policies require big government to work which is in direct opposition with liberatarianism.
Another meme. Socialism just means any system that doesn't implement private property. Socialism is literally every other system that is not capitalism. It is the government is necessary for the capitalist system to continue, not the other way around.

[Anonymous No.19142553]

>>19142504
a reddit survey showed that only 15% of socialists support free speech, leftism is inherently totalitarian as Kaczynski said.

[Anonymous No.19142560]

>>19142553
Most people that say they're "socialists" are Marxists which is just one branch of leftist politics.

[Anonymous No.19142563]

>>19142515
What do you mean "predicted"?
All of that was already true in the West when he was saying it, and had been for decades. The OSS/CIA has been running Psy-Ops since WW2.

[Anonymous No.19142564]

>>19142551
>Socialism just means any system that doesn't implement private property
How the fuck are people supposed to not own anything without that ownership instead going to an institution with enough control to enforce its claims (a STATE)?

[Anonymous No.19142566]

>>19142553
>a survey showed zero percent of right wingers believe in public education
this is how you sound

[Anonymous No.19142571]

>>19142553
>leftism is inherently totalitarian
Not inherently, but I'd say "cancel culture" shows that their is significant overlap. I just miss the old version of the ACLU - the one that promoted free speech over pretty much everything, the one that Vonnegut was proud to be a part of.

[Anonymous No.19142572]

>>19142560
>Most people that say they're "socialists" are Marxists which is just one branch of leftist politics.
it's actually the reverse
>>19142564
private property, i.e factories, entire apartment complexes, bridges,
think roads, everyone uses them. now extend that to the factory.

[Anonymous No.19142575]

>>19142560
Oh my fucking god all you leftists do adjust definitions and claim that literally everything "isn't really socialist" if the data goes against you and that it actually totally was when it benefits you.

[Anonymous No.19142576]

>>19142571
reminder that gentile, philosopher of fascism was not only a humanist, but many considered his philosophy humanism par excellence.

[Anonymous No.19142578]

>>19142513
>Lib Right is based???!?

[Anonymous No.19142579]

>>19142564
How can an individual "own" something (capital) that is being used by more than one person? If there's no state to secure their property rights, what's going to stop the workers of that capital from taking it from that individual without the state to secure it for them? Private property rights are a spook, it can only exist with government.
>>19142572
What do you mean?
>>19142575
I'm not a leftist, I've grown out of that shit. I'm just correcting you.

[Anonymous No.19142584]

>>19142539
Yes. At least in the most practical versions that have existed in reality so far

[Anonymous No.19142586]

>>19142579
>What do you mean?
most people who call themselves socialists are utopians who never engaged with marx and most marxists also never engaged with marx.
most people, simply haven't read marx. most people, just want better wages and more free time.

[Anonymous No.19142589]

>>19139741
>Instead of cultural Marxism we should start using bio Leninism

[Anonymous No.19142592]

>>19142576
>Uh oh! Look like you've confused Giovanni Gentile the fascist with Giovanni Valentino Gentile the 16th-century humanist! Would you like to try again?

[Anonymous No.19142602]

>>19142592
i mean gentile was still a humanist tho, have you read his work?
from his own wikipedia
>Many times accused of solipsism, Gentile maintained his philosophy to be a Humanism that sensed the possibility of nothing beyond what was colligate in perception; the self's human thinking, in order to communicate as immanence is to be human like oneself, made a cohesive empathy of the self-same, without an external(...)

you should read the h.s harris companion books

[Anonymous No.19142605]

>>19142105
>Did anyone surmise that BLM-twittertrannies with aposematically colored hair belong to the same ideological club as Stalinist/Maoist tankies, who'd gladly roll the former over with an APC
Why not combine the two?

[Anonymous No.19142615]

by the way, in marxist vernacular, black people would literally be lumpenproles
he'd probably be extra racist today too.

[Anonymous No.19142620]

>>19142576
>>19142602
Gentile was a "humanist" in the sense that Ayn Rand was a humanist.
His belief
>"that only the spirit or mind is real"
goes against the modern Humanist philosophy. He was more interested in human nature and the senses from a philosophical perspective, and not really related to the Humanist movement.

[Anonymous No.19142623]

>>19142615
if marxists were racist i'd be a marxist, but "muh material conditionssssss"
black americans have it better off than modern day eastern europeans

[Anonymous No.19142638]

>>19142620
has nothing to do with ayn rand
>only the mind is real
more accuratly, "perception", "thinking", or "consciousness". how can you argue against that?
>humanist movement
i am not talking about movements, i am talking about philosophy, which may result in a movement.

[Anonymous No.19142640]

>>19142308
>The political left... serves as a kind of fire extinguisher that douses and quenches any nascent revolutionary movement. ... the people I’m referring to ... are drawn indiscriminately to causes: the environment, poverty, sweatshops, neocolonialism…
These leftists seem like pretty reasonable guys! They're really on the beam. So do you support poverty, sweatshops and neocolonialism? What do you want? Intensifying poverty, shoving people into sweatshops, and expanding neocolonialism? I mean if you're a conservative who supports capitalism, then okay, that's a position.

[Anonymous No.19142642]

>>19138242
I love reading political books from 10+ years ago.It is always amazing that the more things change, the more things stay the same. The language evolves, the organizations change but it is always
>[Other team] Bad!

[Anonymous No.19142650]

>>19142638
>i am not talking about movements, i am talking about philosophy, which may result in a movement.
Yeah but I first mentioned Humanism in the context of Vonnegut, and fine Ayn Rand is a pointless tangent. But the point remains that Giovanni Gentile is distinct from what I was talking about, which was the philosophy/movement in the pic here >>19142620

[Anonymous No.19142652]

>>19142615
>by the way, in marxist vernacular, black people would literally be lumpenproles

[Anonymous No.19142654]

>>19142615
Most immigrants I assume would be too. Either oppurtunists and/or lumpens. Revolution likely isnt on your agenda when you go to the "better" places

[Anonymous No.19142655]

>>19142640
This kind of people are the faces of the modern left, the people who benefit from capitalism the most.

[Anonymous No.19142659]

>>19142620
>that pic
buzzword nonsense, same with all political freedom
"maximization of individual liberty", impossible. the more free an individual is, the less free are those around them.

doubt these "individual freedom" people would let me fuck lolis, would they? not even if the loli was into it. what happened to muh "freedumbs" tho?

[Anonymous No.19142666]

>>19142652
https://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2020/03/19/fiscal-impact-by-race-in-2018/

[Anonymous No.19142669]

>>19142659
>doubt these "individual freedom" people would let me fuck lolis, would they? not even if the loli was into it. what happened to muh "freedumbs" tho?
Lib Right outs himself again

[Anonymous No.19142678]

>>19142655
So he's American, is what you're saying

[Anonymous No.19142688]

>>19142678
And a roach

[Anonymous No.19142690]

>>19142650
oh sorry, i didn't know.
however i don't doubt he himself wanted to maximize "human wellbeing", which is a bit iffy for something to strive for as a political movement. gentile himself was a teacher and he was responsible for many reforms in education.
mussolini for example spent more on education during his entire reign than italy ever did when it was first united.

makes ya think about what their priorities were.

[Anonymous No.19142692]

>>19142666

[Anonymous No.19142700]

>>19142669
no i dont believe in "political spectrum" or whatever and I would hang capitalists i don't like by the neck. in fact I would hang anyone i don't like by the neck whether they be, government, niggers, faggots but especially anti-pedo moralizers.

[Anonymous No.19142707]

>>19142692
pic is in africa, not in america.
also

Somalia is not a humanitarian disaster; it is an evolutionary disaster. The current drought is not the worst in 50 years, as the BBC and all the aid organisations claim. It is nothing compared to the droughts in 1960/61 or 73/74. And there are continuing droughts every five years or so. It's just that there are now four times the population; having been kept alive by famine relief, supplied by aid organisations, over the past 50 years. So, of course, the effects of any drought now, is a famine. They cannot even feed themselves in a normal rainfall year.
Worst yet, the effects of these droughts, and poor nutrition in the first three years of a child's life, have a lasting effect on the development of the infant brain, so that if they survive, they will never achieve a normal IQ. Consequently, they are selectively breeding a population who cannot be educated, let alone one that is being educated; a recipe for disaster.
We are seeing this impact now, and it can only exacerbate, to the detriment of their neighbours, and their environment as well. This scenario can only end in an even worse disaster; with even worse suffering, for those benighted people, and their descendants. Eventually, some mechanism will intervene, be it war, disease or starvation.
So what do we do? Let them starve? What a dilemma for our Judeo/Christian/Islamic Ethos; as well as Hindu/Buddhist morality. And this is beginning to happen in Kenya, Ethiopia, and other countries in Asia, like Pakistan. Is this the beginning of the end of civilisation?
AFRICA is giving nothing to anyone outside Africa — apart from AIDS and new disease. Even as we see African states refusing to take action to restore something resembling civilisation in Zimbabwe, the Begging bowl for Ethiopia is being passed around to us out of Africa, yet again. It is nearly 25 years since the famous Feed The World campaign began in Ethiopia, and in that time Ethiopia's population has grown from 33.5 million to 78+ million today. So, why on earth should I do anything to encourage further catastrophic demographic growth in that country? Where is the logic? There is none.
To be sure, there are two things saying that logic doesn't count. One is my conscience, and the other is the picture, yet again, of another wide-eyed child, yet again, gazing, yet again, at the camera, which yet again, captures the tragedy of children starving.

[Anonymous No.19142710]

>>19142707
Sorry. My conscience has toured this territory on foot and financially. Unlike most of you, I have been to Ethiopia; like most of you, I have stumped up the loot to charities to stop starvation there. The wide-eyed boy-child we saved, 20 years or so ago, is now a low IQ, AK 47-bearing moron, siring children whenever the whim takes him, and blaming the world because he is uneducated, poor and left behind. There is no doubt a good argument why we should prolong this predatory and dysfunctional economic, social and sexual system but I do not know what it is.

There is, on the other hand, every reason not to write a column like this. It will win no friends, and will provoke the self-righteous wrath of, well, the self-righteous, hand wringing, letter writing wrathful individuals, a species which never fails to contaminate almost every debate in Irish life with its sneers and its moral superiority. It will also probably enrage some of the finest men in Irish life, like John O'Shea, of Goal; and the Finucane brothers, men whom I admire enormously.

So be it. But, please, please, you self-righteously wrathful, spare me mention of our own Irish Famine, with this or that lazy analogy. There is no comparison. Within 20 years of the Famine, the Irish population was down by 30%. Over the equivalent period, thanks to Western food, the Mercedes 10-wheel truck and the Lockheed Hercules planes, Ethiopia's population has more than doubled.

Alas, that wretched country is not alone in its madness. Somewhere, over the rainbow, lies Somalia, another fine land of violent, AK 47-toting, khat-chewing, girl-circumcising, permanently tumescent layabouts, and housing pirates of the ocean. Indeed, we now have almost an entire continent of sexually hyperactive, illiterate indigents, with tens of millions of people who only survive because of help from the outside world or allowances by the semi-communist Governments they voted for, money supplied by lending it from the World Bank!

This dependency has not stimulated political prudence or commonsense. Indeed, voodoo idiocy seems to be in the ascendant, with the president of South Africa being a firm believer in the efficacy of a little tap water on the post-coital penis as a sure preventative against AIDS infection. Needless to say, poverty, hunger and societal meltdown have not prevented idiotic wars involving Tigre, Uganda, Congo, Sudan, Somalia, Eritrea etcetera.

[Anonymous No.19142716]

>>19142707
>>19142710
Broad brush-strokes, to be sure. But broad brush-strokes are often the way that history paints its gaudier, if more decisive, chapters. Japan, China, Russia, Korea, Poland, Germany, Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia in the 20th century have endured worse broad brush-strokes than almost any part of Africa. They are now — one way or another — virtually all giving aid to or investing in Africa, whereas Africa, with its vast savannahs and its lush pastures, is giving almost nothing to anyone, apart from AIDS.

Meanwhile, Africa's peoples are outstripping their resources, and causing catastrophic ecological degradation. By 2050, the population of Ethiopia will be 177 million; the equivalent of France, Germany and Benelux today, but located on the parched and increasingly protein-free wastelands of the Great Rift Valley. So, how much sense does it make for us actively to increase the adult population of what is already a vastly over-populated, environmentally devastated and economically dependent country?

How much morality is there in saving an Ethiopian child from starvation today, for it to survive to a life of brutal circumcision, poverty, hunger, violence and sexual abuse, resulting in another half-dozen such wide-eyed children, with comparably jolly little lives ahead of them. Of course, it might make you feel better, which is a prime reason for so much charity!

But that is not good enough. For self-serving generosity has been one of the curses of Africa. It has sustained political systems which would otherwise have collapsed. It prolonged the Eritrean-Ethiopian war by nearly a decade. It is inspiring Bill Gates' programme to rid the continent of malaria, when, in the almost complete absence of personal self-discipline, that disease is one of the most efficacious forms of population-control now operating. If his programme is successful, tens of millions of children who would otherwise have died in infancy will survive to adulthood, he boasts.

Oh good: then what? I know, let them all come here (to Ireland) or America. (Not forgetting Australia!)

Yes, that's an idea." Kevin Myers, Irish Independent

[Anonymous No.19142739]

>>19142451
everyone in that pic is a woman
only women protest
men fucking overthrow their governments

[Anonymous No.19142743]

>>19142381
>Andrew Yang is hard Right
At that point, what does "Right" and "Left" even mean?

[Anonymous No.19142751]

>>19142424
Rightoids eternally salty. Reality has a left wing bias, deal with it.

[Anonymous No.19142760]

>>19142751
>Reality has a left wing bias
I love how you still parrot this bullshit when most leftists are spoiled brats living in ivory towers disconnected from the real world.

[Anonymous No.19142767]

Sup

[Anonymous No.19142768]

[Anonymous No.19142772]

>>19142743
remember that anon yelling about the status quo being "right" and the "opposition" being left

if you are able to run for office, you are a right winger, simple as that. even bernie is a right winger. all he wants to do is "redistribute" wealth,, *meaning* give them to black people

[Anonymous No.19142773]

>>19142478
That's because those in power can inhibit Lib Left candidates from running, causing a massive portion of voters to be "politically homeless" and pushed into one of the other voting blocks. All this tells me is we desperately need to decentralize and democratize power in a real way instead of the political circus run by the worst type of corrupt ringmasters imaginable we have today.

[Anonymous No.19142785]

>>19142768
>communists
>running for election
those are called "social democrats", and they have been expelled since the second international.
pic related wrote polemics against them too and inadvertently gave birth to fascism

[Anonymous No.19142790]

>>19142483
"Property rights" as legitimized by what? Law and order is only possible through a structure of government, and the Lib Left allows for a government whose legitimacy exists through the consent of the governed. It's sad you don't know this.

[Anonymous No.19142798]

>>19142790
i don't appreciate private property either, but i think most people are too retarded to hold democratic ownership over the production.

by the way, if you're not actively trying to overthrow your government, you consent to it. you consent through it through your passivity and inability to oppose it. you have to be on the battlefield.

[Anonymous No.19142802]

>>19142535
Wrong. Libertarianism as defined by the maximization of individual freedom can only be achieved through people having economic freedom, which is dependent on either the labor market (where individuals without capital will always be exploited by individuals with capital) or through government redistribution of economic choice (direct cash works best). You have fallen into a rhetorical trap, like claiming that regulations can't exists in a free market, when the reality is ONLY with regulation can a free market exist, since monopolies by definition close the market and will always appear eventually without regulation against them.

[Anonymous No.19142809]

[Anonymous No.19142813]

[Anonymous No.19142815]

>>19142809
uh sauce?

[Anonymous No.19142820]

>>19142813
that's not what happened in the ussr.

[Anonymous No.19142821]

>>19142802
Every time government tries to interfere with free market it makes things worse
There's no such a thing as natural monopolies, those only exist with government subsidies

[Anonymous No.19142826]

>>19142820
How can you know?

[Anonymous No.19142829]

>>19142772
Ah, so you mean twisting the definition of words beyond any reasonable limit to force certain artificial conclusions. Got it!

[Anonymous No.19142832]

>>19142829
>h, so you mean twisting the definition of words beyond any reasonable limit
these are the definition of words retard.
there is no "definition" of "left wing" or "right", mine is the only one that does it justice

[Anonymous No.19142835]

>>19142821
Incorrect again. But you're the type to claim that real free markets have never existed, since governments are always at play, literally the mirror of the stereotypical communist claiming REAL communism has never been tried.

[Anonymous No.19142846]

>>19142835
>real free markets have never existed
They have until the fed was created

[Anonymous No.19142865]

>>19142846
I assume you mean the Federal Reserve?

[Anonymous No.19142866]

>>19142846
government doesn't create monopoly
the market pays the government for the monopolies

[Anonymous No.19142912]

>>19142846
Standard Oil controlled 90% of the US oil refining business in 1880. This was 33 years before the founding of the Federal Reserve. They would purposely lower prices, often below cost, to drive competition out of business before raising prices again (a tactic Amazon recently used to drive Diapers Dot Com under). In 1911, the Supreme Court ruled unanimously that Standard Oil was a monopoly that illegally restrained trade.

To reiterate, monopolies form because businesses who gain power can then use that power to sabotage their competition, thus expanding their own market share and giving greater freedom to set prices to the upper bounds (the maximum people will pay) rather than in a healthy competition where different companies compete at the lower bound of prices (how cheaply they can sell goods while still making a profit).

[Anonymous No.19142914]

>>19138364
>Educating yourself by definition means starting to agree with me

People like you are the reason and justification for why microbrain reactionaries can and will continue to gain traction

[Anonymous No.19142929]

>>19142914
this is why i want warfare. there needs to be a culling. those 'people' have literal herd mentality and they ought to be removed from the genepool.

[Anonymous No.19142938]

>>19142912
monopolies are good for socialism tho

[Anonymous No.19142957]

>>19142929
>those 'people' have literal herd mentality and they ought to be removed from the genepool.
are you talking about communists?

[Anonymous No.19142964]

>>19142826
i know that it was horrible, but I do know kulaks weren't being educated in schools tot hate themselves, or that jews were behind the revolution.

part of the reason why the revolution was so bloody was because of how disorganized it was.

[Anonymous No.19142965]

>>19142957
no I don't know what "communists" is but I do know people who say "you ought to be educated to have the same views as me" deserve to be executed.

[Anonymous No.19142967]

>>19142914
It's funny how you retards try so hartd to turn reactionary into an insult

[Anonymous No.19142972]

>>19142964
>or that jews were behind the revolution

[Anonymous No.19142977]

>>19142972
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1z3F0bEebPw

[Anonymous No.19143020]

>>19142977
wow that was a waste of time
>that like ration

[Anonymous No.19143074]

>>19143020
what do jews have to gain from the soviet union

[Anonymous No.19143159]

>>19139065
you're a fucking freak

[Anonymous No.19143175]

>>19143159
he's right tho. 'lil girls are pretty kinky.
trans people are still an aberration

[Anonymous No.19143319]

>>19138320
The person in this image is not a Marxist.

[Anonymous No.19143327]

>>19138447
Cultural Studies in the West were not created by Marxists. They were created by liberals like Margaret Mead.

[Anonymous No.19143506]

>>19138242
Communism is propagated by sociopaths and consumed by autists/women, why do we need some goober elaborating on it any further? Just buy a gun and go innawoods, let the retards eat each other alive while you stay cozy.

[Anonymous No.19143845]

>>19142809
Sounds a little extreme, even for that jew fuck. Sauce?