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The Bell Curve - Lefty Version Anonymous Tue Sep 28 22:17:12 2021 No.19138098 [Reply] [Original]

It's finally out.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 22:19:19 2021 No.19138107 File: 12 KB, 200x200, 1570987150496.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] top amazon review is a long rambling essay about why the author is wrong and a nazi and blah blah

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 22:21:01 2021 No.19138114 I'm curious about how they propose to solve this problem.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 22:25:17 2021 No.19138122 hasn't been uploaded anywhere yet as far as i can tell

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 22:27:55 2021 No.19138139 >>19138122 It has.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 22:31:22 2021 No.19138149 >>19138098 when i first hear about something here, that's a sign it's garbage. so i will assume this is garbage

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 22:33:00 2021 No.19138154 File: 45 KB, 550x331, morrissey_loureed.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19138107

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 22:33:44 2021 No.19138156 >>19138098 The problem is not inequality in one generation, the problem is dysgenic collapse. That's where the horribly right wing ideas start to appear

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 22:38:28 2021 No.19138176 >>19138149 i saw it in the new yorker the author posed barefoot so it piqued my interest

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 22:40:13 2021 No.19138188 >>19138098 >woman Into the trash

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 22:42:23 2021 No.19138196 >>19138107 holy shit that is long should i read (the comment)

Anonymous Tue Sep 28 22:48:56 2021 No.19138218

>>19138098
>Kathryn Paige Harden is a professor of psychology.
Into the trash it goes.
Can someone explain to me why women are obsessed with misunderstanding the modern synthetic theory of evolution? Did no single woman study evolution beyond the 19th century?
Women on this board, including the ones with penises, can you weigh in on this?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 22:51:16 2021 No.19138225 >>19138218 Women just haven't had to evolve, no selective pressure when men will fuck anything

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 22:59:28 2021 No.19138255 >>19138196 They make a couple of good points even though I don't agree with their overall message.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 23:00:00 2021 No.19138257 >>19138154 Pongo and chimpanzee bros

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 23:10:48 2021 No.19138321 >>19138098 >feminist eugenicist literature The logical conclusion.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 23:12:40 2021 No.19138336 >>19138139 where dumbass

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 23:14:08 2021 No.19138346 >>19138114 CRISPR derived MRNA IQ booster shots for minorities.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 23:16:18 2021 No.19138363 >>19138098 Nah, that's The Mismeasure of Man by Stephen Jay Gould. That book BTFO's both Murray's drivel and whatever this nonsense is.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 23:25:52 2021 No.19138412 >>19138363 gould was reddit incarnate

Anonymous Tue Sep 28 23:26:47 2021 No.19138420

>>19138098
Lol, she got skewered for this by the left, of which she claims to be a part, and I loved it.
>dumb hole is smart enough to understand genetics
>horree sheeet this is telling me that eugenics is real
>surely, my comrades will understand if it isnt coming from an ebil white nazi, and instesd, from one of their own
>DIE NAZI WHITE CUNT BITCH
I love it. I hope every white woman who isnt already trying to form a family with a man, is burned alive at the stake by the people they aided and supported. Then I can die satisfied.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 23:29:41 2021 No.19138431 >>19138363 Gould literally fabricated the data in Mismeasure while falsely accusing the older scientists of having fabricated their data. One of the most dishonest books ever written

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 23:30:54 2021 No.19138440 >>19138098 >>19138321 what conclusion? Socialists were eugenics long before it was cool

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 23:31:38 2021 No.19138443 >>19138440 were into*

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 23:57:14 2021 No.19138502 File: 15 KB, 161x195, 1484595684003.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19138420 >smart woman emerges >is immediately removed from gene pool huh

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 00:03:32 2021 No.19138513 I am tall. I can reach the top shelf. I am superior. I am the ubermench.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 00:07:38 2021 No.19138520 >>19138420 If it's any comfort, liberal white women are 100% doomed. Either the white men will establish a fascist, patriarchal state, or the African/Muslim men who replace them will. Either way, the current era is ending soon.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 00:29:56 2021 No.19138576 >>19138420 This book seems interesting then. I'm beginning to realize that eugenics is just something we're going to have to reckon with sooner or later.

Anonymous Wed Sep 29 00:38:43 2021 No.19138593

>>19138576
I don't think we are capable of dealing with it. I'm semi convinced that civilization itself is simply dysgenic. So each civilizational run is just fighting the clock before its material gives out, in addition to the way culture seems to become rotten and fall apart after a while

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 00:39:01 2021 No.19138594 >>19138420 >>19138502 >>19138520 It literally has a rating of 4.5 on goodreads, where are you guys getting the bad reviews from?

Anonymous Wed Sep 29 00:47:38 2021 No.19138609

>>19138098
The fact that "eugenics", which is just standard evolutionary theory, is controversial or even hated on the left is such a massive indictment of their ability to accept unpleasant truths. Illiterate peasants 5 thousand years ago understood that "offspring like parent". Just incredibly fucking retarded

Anonymous Wed Sep 29 01:47:14 2021 No.19138803

>>19138609
>their ability to accept unpleasant truths.
Disagree. They are pragmatists. Evolution exists when it is needed to (owning Christians) and ceases to exist when it is not (denying that all population differences are the result of historical maleficence that can only be countered by channelling funds in to NGOs and a homogenous consumer culture)

Anonymous Wed Sep 29 01:53:03 2021 No.19138820

>>19138803
The left are revolutionary fundamentalists. They believe our world is progressing towards some future better state, which they can't actually describe, but is going to be in some way better.

They are not pragmatists, they are utterly delusional, because their need to believe in their future non-opressed state fucks up their minds. But they are absolute pragmatists about gaining power to enact their insane vision on the world. They will do anything at all to stop anyone who is oppsing whatever new insane measure they invent to create their new world.

Anonymous Wed Sep 29 02:01:34 2021 No.19138846

>>19138820
Most of what you describe is just liberalism desu, which pragmatically instrumentalizes multiple conflicting ideologies within its subjects as part of securing its power base.
The west is so utterly enmeshed in the framework of liberalism that when they try to resist it they only recontextualize their own personal pathologies within an aesthetic derived from propaganda, all efforts are rerouted toward ends that end up being complimentary to American foreign policy.

I mean everything you described is just Whig history, Steven Pinker tier. There are no leftists in America.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 02:03:47 2021 No.19138853 >>19138846 How is leftism any different, actual communism describes the same process of history

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 02:16:39 2021 No.19138883 File: 907 KB, 1490x952, Screen Shot 2021-09-29 at 4.16.15 pm.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19138107 dear god..

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 02:41:46 2021 No.19138972 >>19138520 I'm setting a phone reminder and setting aside an expensive bottle of wine for the day. I'll still share it with my wife though.

Anonymous Wed Sep 29 05:44:01 2021 No.19139411

>>19138420
>I hope every white woman who isnt already trying to form a family with a man, is burned alive at the stake by the people they aided and supported. Then I can die satisfied.
You sound quite bitter and resentful anon. This isn't healthy or productive. I hope things improve for you somewhat.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 05:50:03 2021 No.19139420 >>19138883 Based autist reviewer

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 05:54:46 2021 No.19139431 >>19138098 christcucks on suicide watch.lel

Anonymous Wed Sep 29 05:57:31 2021 No.19139435

Every single person who is against eugenics is cope in the flesh. The one major agreement between scientists and philosophers, even continental philosophers (from Plato to Schopenhauer to Nietzsche), is that eugenics would make humanity and the world significantly better by many important metrics. It's literally one of the best intellectual pleb tests, just ask someone their position on eugenics (you have to make them think it's safe to share their true views with you first though).

Anonymous Wed Sep 29 06:06:19 2021 No.19139455

>>19138609
Eugenics is the exact opposite of evolutionary theory. It is the conscious reversal of the evolutionary trend by the human mind with a moral goal in mind, rather than the natural goal of increasing the quantity of a given genome. Eugenics is essentially the theory of quality (human intelligence guiding evolution) against the theory of quality (natural "intelligence" guiding evolution).

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 06:08:06 2021 No.19139460 >>19139455 >against the theory of quality Against the theory of quantity*

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 06:12:42 2021 No.19139470 >>19139435 What if corona is just one big nudge to make superstitious retards kill themselves?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 06:21:31 2021 No.19139492 >>19138114 For any problem, the first step to fixing it is acknowledging it exists.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 06:22:37 2021 No.19139495 >>19139492 I don't think this happens without our societies breaking down honestly.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 06:23:30 2021 No.19139497 >>19139495 You mean you feel we can't process this information without it destroying our social order? I think it can be done. It'll be a hard journey though

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 06:24:17 2021 No.19139499 >>19138114 kill industrious and good looking people

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 06:29:01 2021 No.19139514 File: 493 KB, 801x868, Sigma male grindset people are tools.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19138098 Obviously whites are superior to other races. Just look at humanity through a non-biased lens and you can tell. >T. Black girl

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 06:29:31 2021 No.19139516 >>19138513 Nice but you're lacking the gene for humility and prosocial behaviour.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 06:29:52 2021 No.19139517 >>19139499 kys incel good looking people are in general superior in many ways compared to average looking people be it in intelligence,creativity,immunity against diseases,etc.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 06:32:08 2021 No.19139526 >>19139514 you will never be a woman OR black.

Anonymous Wed Sep 29 06:36:02 2021 No.19139539

>>19138107
>“... a scientist who reported genetic influence on intelligence was also perceived as less objective, more motivated to prove a particular hypothesis, and more likely to hold non-egalitarian beliefs that predated their scientific research career…people who described themselves as politically liberal were particularly likely to doubt the scientist’s objectivity when she reported genetic influences on intelligence.”
>Her point here is to paint the left as hopelessly biased on this subject, but despite Harden’s dubious effort to paint herself as a leftist, many individuals touting genetic determinist views also harbor racist and classist views that are hardly egalitarian. There are obvious reasons for this and it doesn’t take a leftist to distrust their motives, nor should one expect leftists to embrace a sugar-coated version of genetic determinism.
I am Jack’s complete lack of self-awareness.

Anonymous Wed Sep 29 06:43:40 2021 No.19139562

Western intellectuals are fucking vermin. I was reading about some German anthropologist whose ideas on the spread of pottery decorative patterns (or something such) had inspired the evil nazis, vaguely indo-europeanism or something like that iirc. Naturally after WWII this theory was rejected due to these associations but fairly recently the theory had been corroborated in some study and German scientists were too scared to be associated with the project due to the results.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 06:49:54 2021 No.19139578 >>19139562 >theory about the spread of civilisation Sounds interesting. Got a source?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 07:12:33 2021 No.19139691 >>19139455 Eugenics is the same thing as animals choosing attractive and large partners and no amount of sophistry will change this

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 08:04:12 2021 No.19139899 >>19139691 If it's the same thing then why isn't it the same thing?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 08:04:12 2021 No.19139900 >>19139514 I’d demelanate your progeny

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 08:07:40 2021 No.19139911 >applying science to the immaterial Oof.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 08:09:46 2021 No.19139920 >>19138336 On the internet

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 10:50:40 2021 No.19140587 >>19138114 Genetically modify humans to become the amazon female small male master race.

Anonymous Wed Sep 29 11:08:27 2021 No.19140662

>USA starts a eugenics policy
>perfectly normal orphans, the poor, and even wealthy people with minor mental illness are caught up, sterilized, and sent to institutions for no reason
>eugenics policy continues to this day with black people with planned parenthood, giving rise to the ghetto hood rat black bitch archetype
>hood rat girls are simultaneously incentivized to have as many kids as possible with the worst guy because they’ll get free government money and child support once he’s not around, while the blacks at the more normal level of intelligence abort their kids because they can’t afford them without breaking up their family for welfare gibs
>entire family structure is destroyed in a single generation
>now you can’t go in any downtown in the Midwest without getting shot in the face by a gang member
>nazi Germany follows USA’s lead on eugenics
>ends drawing the ire of the Jew banker class that sustains it, and is firebombed to hell, it’s women raped by Russians at the end of the war, and the entire country was cleaved in two for decades
maybe it’s better if the retarded eugenics proponents just keep their opinions to themselves. at the very least do not encourage the government to do anything to “improve” the population

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 11:13:48 2021 No.19140690 >>19140662 Eugenics in the modern era is directly modifying the germline of a person so that any future child that they have will have desirable traits.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 11:22:09 2021 No.19140719 >>19140690 and if the “desirable trait” becomes something that is dysgenic or antisocial down the road? or if it causes unforeseen health complications?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 11:26:11 2021 No.19140736 >>19138107 >>19138883 Go to the reviewer's profile. They have reviewed 'Blueprint' and 'Mismeasure'

Anonymous Wed Sep 29 11:26:37 2021 No.19140741

>>19140719
Fear mongering. There is essentially no risk associated with knocking in genes that you want into a person.
There is no risk associated with making your child have blue eyes or a certain hair color. You're just trying to hold back evolution because you don't like the reality that certain phenotypes are superior to other ones.
We WILL become the amazon female small male master race and no one can do anything to stop it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 11:34:32 2021 No.19140789 >>19140741 turn back brah. save your soul

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 11:43:29 2021 No.19140845 >>19139411 >moralfagging on 4chan

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 11:46:20 2021 No.19140859 >>19139492 You just want to use a semitic measure to promote your own I'll reasoned racism you fucking tool

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 11:49:50 2021 No.19140876 >>19138098 still trust DNA? who is lysenko-pilled here?

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Anonymous Wed Sep 29 11:53:43 2021 No.19140905

>>19138593
>>19138576
Tbh I'm not worried about it. In 100 years we'll probably have the technology for the average person to afford gene editing for their baby to make them instantly chad. Two chinese immigrants can have blue-eyed 200+ IQ children and all that. 'Race' will just be a matter of fashion.
So I think the real praxis for eugenics is making sure this technology ends up in the hands of the common people.

Anonymous Wed Sep 29 11:55:20 2021 No.19140912

>>19140741
Who holds the controls? Who decides what traits?
Cosmetic changes like blue eyes are nice, but not what anyone means by "improving the species." Focusing on such superficials is a deflection tactic.
The first thing western governments would select for is agreeableness, something our community, or at least the white part, needs far less of.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 11:55:39 2021 No.19140914 >>19140876 DNA is fake? QRD?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 11:55:42 2021 No.19140915 >>19139514 You know the rules. Post tits and feet or GTFO

Anonymous Wed Sep 29 11:59:19 2021 No.19140930

>>19140662
>you can't have eugenics because...
>because...
>because jews... you just can't ok!
Then kill the fucking Jews. Kill leftist trash. Then have eugenics.
>>19140789
>save your soul
Are you implying making a less dysgenic world is displeasing to God? Why would making a society less inclined to worship filth and ugliness be damnnable? If anything, it would be more indicative towards orienting people back to important things, like religion and civilization, art and architecture, literature...

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 12:01:10 2021 No.19140944 >>19140914 Just graft some hands on yourself, bro.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 12:02:42 2021 No.19140957 >>19138336 the most obvious place retard

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 12:03:16 2021 No.19140961 >>19140944 Intriguing, I go research

Anonymous Wed Sep 29 12:04:38 2021 No.19140970

>>19140912
I don't think of it as only superficial alterations.
I want to genetically modify humans so that we become the amazon female small male master race. I post on /sci/ and I'm not going to do the whole thing right now on this board. I just wanted to say that you guys who are against genetic engineering of humanity won't stop us. You can't stop evolution.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 12:06:56 2021 No.19140980 >>19138098 >the genetic lottery Is there a more retarded phrase than this? It is not a lottery.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 12:10:09 2021 No.19140998 >>19140980 >Is there a more retarded phrase than this? It is not a lottery. Liberals believe (You) could have just as easily been a pajeet in India or some African in Timbuktu.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 12:11:00 2021 No.19141003 >>19140970 Yeah the futurama snusnu thing is your bit you do? There will be no American eugenics program, for the same reasons there will be no South African eugenics program.

Anonymous Wed Sep 29 12:11:00 2021 No.19141004

>>19139691
no, eugenics is the fucking state choosing your partner for you as part of a breeding scheme. you have room temperature iq if you can't figure out why people would be opposed to surrendering control over their own reproduction to some committee. or did you not even understand that that's what the word meant?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 12:12:16 2021 No.19141013 >>19141004 You're taking your favorite reddit dystopian novel or movie and applying it to reality. This is what midwits do.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 12:12:54 2021 No.19141019 >>19140690 >Eugenics in the modern era is directly modifying the germline of a person so that any future child that they have will have desirable traits. this is your brain on reddit futurism. desirable to WHOM?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 12:13:06 2021 No.19141020 >>19141003 Then America will be left behind.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 12:16:44 2021 No.19141048 >>19141020 Yeah, by China maybe. The modern world is so disgusting, but maybe we'll see some truly strange things before we die.

Anonymous Wed Sep 29 12:18:35 2021 No.19141057

>>19141013
no, i'm taking the literal meaning of the term "eugenics" and applying it to this thread about eugenics. you're stone cold retarded. eugenics is by definition the surrender of an individual's control of their reproduction to a breeding plan administered by some larger authority. you have a brain the size of a pea. if you're not being made to breed with someone that you wouldn't be breeding with otherwise then no eugenics is taking place you fucking mental insect

Anonymous Wed Sep 29 12:19:59 2021 No.19141063

>>19141004
No, eugenics is just (conscious) improvement of the human through selective breeding, opening a gene clinic promising babies with +5 IQ points is a better way to do eugenics than barging into people's homes and snipping their testicles. Obviously early eugenics mostly focused on the completely powerless like the severely mentally ill, so that's where you image of "forced" eugenics comes from.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 12:21:16 2021 No.19141072 >>19141057 You don't have to have them surrender control, simply direct people towards proper choices. This would be done by education, specific types of separation in schools, etc. I see literally no problem with this at all.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 12:21:24 2021 No.19141074 Like all non-local (potentially) political issues, eugenics is not worth having an opinion on unless your net worth is at least $10MM

Anonymous Wed Sep 29 12:22:59 2021 No.19141082

>>19141057
>eugenics is by definition the surrender of an individual's control of their reproduction to a breeding plan administered by some larger authority.
This is just completely wrong given that plans where people were encouraged to pair with certain types of people but weren't stopped from reproducing with undesirables existed and were also considered eugenics.

Anonymous Wed Sep 29 12:23:14 2021 No.19141083

>>19141019
Anyone who wants to have superior offspring.
>>19141057
That's not how it has to happen anymore. Two people can fall in love and want to have kids, then we just step in and modify their germ-lines so that the kids that they have have traits that we want our population as a whole to have.
So I guess semantically we don't have to call this "eugenics" based on how you define it but in the end the effect is the same - the proliferation of only desirable traits and not undesirable traits. We no longer need to force-breed people, we can just slice out their germline and knock in genes that we want their children to have.

Anonymous Wed Sep 29 12:23:22 2021 No.19141085

>>19141063
>so that's where you image of "forced" eugenics comes from
I think any foundation of eugenics would be focused first on the mentally ill/genetically disabled. Those with severe defects should absolutely not be breeding, this shouldn't be controversial.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 12:25:03 2021 No.19141093 >>19141083 I can't wait for the government to manually intervene to breed people to be even more docile and bovine this is the greatest plan ever. Your descendents will be too stupid to ever complain about anything except soccer and the weather.

Anonymous Wed Sep 29 12:27:40 2021 No.19141106

>>19141093
>I can't wait for the government to manually intervene to breed people to be even more docile and bovine
They don't need to. Look around you, man. Most people already are the definition of an NPC. Your vision of what eugenics in practice would be is straight out of reddit dystopianism.

Anonymous Wed Sep 29 12:30:01 2021 No.19141117

>>19141106
I assume eugenics in the form of gene editing will only be used by state power to harm me. I have no reason to support it. Now, if I had $10MM and would benefit from structurally retarding my inferiors while enhancing my clan and progeny that's another story

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 12:32:07 2021 No.19141130 >>19141085 this makes sense until you realize it's not going to be you making the decisions, it's going to be the government bureaucracy. What they consider "good" and what you consider "good" are probably at about a 90 degree angle from each other.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 12:32:35 2021 No.19141132 >>19141093 My descendants will be members of the amazon woman small man master race. This will be members of the Supreme genetic class and will run the world.

Anonymous Wed Sep 29 12:33:01 2021 No.19141136

>>19141117
What matters is who's in power. Western governments in their current form practicing any kind of 'eugenics' would be something to keep a suspicious eye on, but if a different government took power, one far less sick and deranged than our current one, I may be more receptive. Eugenics means very different things to two types of ruling parties. Our type, of course they would love a docile, bovine, racially ambiguous consoomer class; hell, we're practically almost there.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 12:34:37 2021 No.19141145 >>19141132 My descendants will be members of the cowgirl-woman and normal-man race.

Anonymous Wed Sep 29 12:37:03 2021 No.19141154

>>19141130
There is no real reason in keeping people docile beyond a point, lest they lose productivity and the social arrangement of west already allows you to keep people pretty docile.
In all probability governments are going to encourage people with genetic illnesses to seek gene therapy, and that's about it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 12:39:58 2021 No.19141164 >>19140905 >Race' will just be a matter of fashion Imagine the sheer seething from current leftoids generations then. No race is genotype not your phenotype reeeee!, just like boomers when it comes to trannies today.

Anonymous Wed Sep 29 12:42:01 2021 No.19141174

>>19141063
>>19141072
great, so instead of the state barging in and castrating me/forcing me to breed against my will it will achieve the same results with coercion, manipulation, and various psyops. sorry, but being hypnotized by netflix into wanting to participate in the "amazon workforce of tomorrow" breeding program is not any better than being forced at gunpoint, and in fact much worse since resistance to insidious media campaigns is harder to muster than to naked violence.

the only "improvement" that would even be produced is an improvement in your function as a drone-like tool of capital. anybody who can be bamboozled into giving up real control over the only thing they have (their individual existence) by the promise of future civilizational "improvement" (that they'll never see) is medieval-peasant level of naive already, but to look at the world in 2021 and go "i wish that the people in power exercised greater and more insidious control over me and my children so that we might better fit their purpose" is just off the charts retarded, a complete disappearance of dignity and self-interest. none of that "improvement" treating yourself like cattle would bring would be FOR YOUR BENEFIT you goddamn retard

Anonymous Wed Sep 29 12:42:29 2021 No.19141178

>>19141132
>>19141145
I support these outcomes I just wish we had a more ethical way of getting there
>>19141154
>assuming technology will be used in a controlled, purely beneficient way by our leaders to fix a few ills
I think the automobile would like a word with you.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 12:43:58 2021 No.19141181 >>19141164 they'll watch "get out" and be appalled at the callous treatment of transracialism, like zoomers shitting themselves over tranny jokes in ace ventura

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 12:44:21 2021 No.19141186 >>19141164 Changing the genotype is how you change the phenotype. What you're saying doesn't make sense.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 12:44:30 2021 No.19141188 >>19141174 Introducing PRIME PARENTHOOD. It's your body. Now it's your choice. Subscribe and save on Amazon Gene Therapy to make your future more equitable and inclusive.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 12:44:33 2021 No.19141190 >>19141174 I said further itt that our current government doing it would clearly be to my detriment. This is mere speculation, not ZOG-tier 50s advertisement Based eugenics campaigns.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 12:48:25 2021 No.19141209 >>19141190 so we just need to definitively solve the problem of government and enter a heaven-on-earth era of perfect lawfulness, morality and justice and then eugenics can be practiced non-detrimentally. no biggie

Anonymous Wed Sep 29 12:50:06 2021 No.19141215

>>19141174
My point is eugenics does not have to be forced in the way most people understand, i.e by literally stopping people from breeding with the threat of violence.
And even if there wasn't a state, but a social convention propagated by influential people with the end result of those considered the "inferior" to not being able to breed then it would still be eugenics.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 12:50:52 2021 No.19141219 >>19141209 You will get a gene that makes you like the taste of bugs. You will eat the bugs. You will live in the pod... etc

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 12:52:36 2021 No.19141225 >>19141186 Yeah but I assume the nu chinese will still cluster with the unmodified chinese, since the gene therapy wouldn't be WMAF but simply modifying the existing genotype in slight ways to make things like blue eyes happen.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 12:52:46 2021 No.19141226 >>19141215 The state is almost preferable to social convention because you can wage lawfare against it, based on previous social convention, as the non-violent weapon of last resort. Against current social convention there is nothing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 12:56:28 2021 No.19141243 >>19141209 No, we just need Hitler to come back.

Anonymous Wed Sep 29 12:59:36 2021 No.19141255
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>>19141174
>Get pregnant
>Test pregnancy for any of a 100 different genetic abnormalities
>Get abortion
totally legal, jews solved tay-sachs disease this way
>Get IVF
>Test 10 embryos for any of 100 monogenic and dozens of polygenic diseases
>Select best embryo and have healthier child
Already happened, legal-ish
>Create pluripotent stemcells, produce 1000 eggs, fertilise eggs and produce 1000 embryos
>Test and filter out embryos for hereditary disease
>Test and filter out embryos for intelligence
>Have smart healthy child.
10 years away
Eugenics is already happening, it's just a question of how far you want to push it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 13:00:14 2021 No.19141256 Not reading anything written by a leftist sorry.

Anonymous Wed Sep 29 13:00:29 2021 No.19141258

>>19141225
If we are seriously discussing genetic modification for phenotypal supremacy, it converges to giant women and small men. It's not going to be a bunch of blue eyed chinese people, nor is it going to be "chad" and "stacy".

It's going to be a race of tall women with big hips who can carry 4-5 babies at a time without pain, and small 3'5" proportional cute incredibly athletic men with extremely fast reaction speeds, dense bones, and a basal metabolic rate of like 500-600 calories a day.

The amazon female small male master race is unironically and objectively the best morphology that can exist for humans given modern and future levels of technology. Things like skin color, or what we call "race" in the modern world, are just cosmetic.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 13:03:21 2021 No.19141271 >>19141258 Based monster girl accelerationist

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 13:03:49 2021 No.19141273 >>19141258 No, cowgirl normal man is the optimal race. Normal man still has the civilization building abilities of today, and the cowgirls have the udders and milk producing capabilities of bovines to feed more children.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 13:06:09 2021 No.19141281 >>19141273 Shit, maybe you're the based monster girl accelerationist. How am I supposed to choose?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 13:12:42 2021 No.19141325 >>19141258 This sounds kind of based, even though it's obviously filthy fetish shit.

Anonymous Wed Sep 29 13:16:27 2021 No.19141342

>>19141325
Its inevitable and trying to dismiss it as fetish shit isn't going to stop it. There's a great deal of logic and fundamental biological principles that support the idea.
I talk about this on /sci/ in more detail. I don't want to go into it now because I'm phone posting and this isn't sci.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 13:19:34 2021 No.19141348 >>19139562 You talking about the Marija Gimbutas conspiracy theory of the sunny and peaceful matriarchal bronze age utopia getting destroyed by evil patriarchal Yamnaya

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 13:40:22 2021 No.19141431 >>19141342 I had no idea /sci/ was that horny

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 13:58:23 2021 No.19141522 >>19141431 /sci/ talks about robowaifus all the time. Pretty good board.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 14:21:27 2021 No.19141609 >>19138098 >genetics is random

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 14:26:17 2021 No.19141621 >>19141431 this is a stale feminist meme, many 70s sci fi stories about this ridiculous foid fantasy lel

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 14:38:07 2021 No.19141671 >>19138218 Psychology student here. Why so much hatred for the field?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 14:40:57 2021 No.19141683 >>19139691 You do know that animals don't always choose the "best" option, right? If the brightest and prettiest peacock has an awful hereditary disease he will still be chosen over uglier, but healthier mates.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 14:44:10 2021 No.19141699 >>19141621 >many 70s sci fi stories about this ridiculous foid fantasy lel Examples?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 14:50:20 2021 No.19141720 >>19141522 My body is ready

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 15:29:08 2021 No.19141924 >>19141671 >a scientist institutionally tell you how you should behave. now you know

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 16:58:20 2021 No.19142291 >>19138883 Blueprint was a great read, short and informative. I highly recommend it

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 18:19:57 2021 No.19142646 >>19138883 Who the fuck writes a leaflet for a review?

Anonymous Wed Sep 29 18:24:28 2021 No.19142661

>>19138107
Not surprising. These socialist/sjw losers literally have nothing to do but attack any mention or thought against their ideology (which is to tear down the current system). The scary thing is that they're on literally every website online. How can this many people do it for free? What a bunch of losers

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 18:38:07 2021 No.19142715 >>19140970 You've posted in dozens of threads over the past few days. Isn't there some containment board for you? Keep your fetish away from our blue boards you deviant.

Anonymous Wed Sep 29 18:38:53 2021 No.19142718
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>>19141255
>Create pluripotent stemcells
10 years? Why do you say it will only take 7 years? Do you have evidence for this r year timeline? Are there steps before we get to this point in 2 years? I bet you read an article about scientists just doing this, but it was dated two years ago.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 18:45:02 2021 No.19142734 >>19141342 >I talk about this on /sci/ in more detail. Too much detail yet to no-ones surprise completely lacking in substance and credibility. This poster is a fetishist and we all hate him. shame shame shame

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 18:47:35 2021 No.19142740 >>19138820 The lenght the average american will go to to defend his privilege of 5k ambulance rides

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 18:49:19 2021 No.19142749 File: 135 KB, 980x656, 1630439523089.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I am tired

Anonymous Wed Sep 29 18:56:43 2021 No.19142788

>>19142715
I've been free for the past few days. I was on a hiatus for a while there but I'm back for a little while (not tonight though I'm busy). We can talk about the idea if you want but only for a bit. I'm also phoneposting so I can't be as thorough.
>>19142734
I go into detail about the idea and my posts have substance but the jannies usually delete the threads.
Most /sci/ anons don't hate me. You and some others despise me, which i dont get. I only post the idea in threads where it is relevant. Anyway why do you hate me so much?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 19:05:11 2021 No.19142818 File: 27 KB, 600x440, oUTZTwJ.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19142788 Because only an autistic deviant like yourself can be so obsessed with such degeneracy.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 19:19:48 2021 No.19142894 >>19142818 I disagree. The world i want is a less degenerate world where there would be less domestic violence and big happy families. But you will always dismiss my idea simply because the origin of it comes from a fetish.

Anonymous Wed Sep 29 19:33:54 2021 No.19142956

>>19138363
https://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/14/science/14skull.html
>In a 1981 book, “The Mismeasure of Man,” the paleontologist Stephen Jay Gould asserted that Morton, believing that brain size was a measure of intelligence, had subconsciously manipulated the brain volumes of European, Asian and African skulls to favor his bias that Europeans had larger brains and Africans smaller ones.

>But now physical anthropologists at the University of Pennsylvania, which owns Morton’s collection, have remeasured the skulls, and in an article that does little to burnish Dr. Gould’s reputation as a scholar, they conclude that almost every detail of his analysis is wrong.

Anti-hereditarians stay losing (and lying).

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 19:37:10 2021 No.19142966 >>19139514 > nothing more then tools

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 19:54:48 2021 No.19143033 File: 570 KB, 1856x1133, gustaf-kossinna.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19139562 >>19139578 >>19141348 I believe anon is talking about Gustaf Kossinna and settlement archaeology.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 20:30:31 2021 No.19143169 >>19143033 So basically PC archeological establishment would rather like to hold indoeuropean spread peacefully among these bronze age hippies? Like a fashion trend or something? lmao

Anonymous Thu Sep 30 00:28:34 2021 No.19144066

Holy fucking kek, checkout the liberal seething on this newyorker article

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/09/13/can-progressives-be-convinced-that-genetics-matters

"“There will be no reason to pursue these types of research programs at all, and they can be rendered to the same location as Holocaust denial research.” By the time he wrote again, several hours later, one of Harden’s few supporters among the fellows had changed the thread’s subject line from “new genetics paper” to “Seriously? Holocaust deniers?” Darity responded, “I feel just as strongly that we should not keep the notions that the world is 6000 years old or that climate change is a fabrication under consideration.”"

The irony of all this is that affirmative action is not only needed, but absolutely necessary. We see the democratic party becoming more and more of an "elite" party. It'll be interesting how they tip tow these truths while controlling their african and mexican pets.

>>	The Spirit of Man Thu Sep 30 00:46:15 2021 No.19144130 >>19139411 Im that anon. My life is unironically great. As for resentful, yeah, of course. Have you seen the way bitches act? I wont be gaslit about any of it. But, that notwithstanding, my lifes aight.

Anonymous Thu Sep 30 00:53:53 2021 No.19144156

>>19144066
I like how she denounces her parents for being conservative, castigates the government for making her ancestors middle class, and has become a single mother. Interesting biographical information in the article. She is indeed trying her best to be liberal, but are her genes against her?

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 00:56:59 2021 No.19144162 File: 28 KB, 749x459, 1632256442373.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19144130 >life is unironically great >thinks murderous thoughts about women whose standards are too low but not low enough to sleep with him

>>	The Spirit of Man Thu Sep 30 00:59:06 2021 No.19144167 >>19144162 I have a girlfriend who i love bro, it is called satire, have a laugh you dingleberry

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 03:04:15 2021 No.19144511 >>19139492 This isn't a problem. It's just arrogant shitters trying to play God.

Anonymous Thu Sep 30 04:03:15 2021 No.19144681
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>>19142718
> bet you read an article about scientists just doing this, but it was dated two years ago.
Yes.
If by yes, you mean in mice.
>https://www.statnews.com/2021/07/15/creating-mouse-eggs-entirely-from-scratch-researchers-raise-prospect-of-futuristic-infertility-treatment/

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 10:45:14 2021 No.19145983 >>19144681 We can create pluripotent stem cells in mice? A 1SD increase in IQ for new babies would be pretty significant.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 10:59:11 2021 No.19146043 >>19144130 >calls himself an anon >tripfags

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 14:26:11 2021 No.19147025 >>19141671 because social sciences are just politics with half sassed experiments thrown in as justifications ?

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 15:19:23 2021 No.19147309 >>19147025 As someone who likes psychology I hate to admit that this is true. There are a small minority who aren't fuckwits and carry the torch from when it branched off from philosophy, but for the most part it's a complete shitshow.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 16:02:34 2021 No.19147550 >>19138218 How do I into modern evolution then t. not a woman

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 16:11:03 2021 No.19147587 >>19138114 Blame white people and reverse raycism, duh.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 16:21:33 2021 No.19147643 File: 132 KB, 1200x720, jean_baudrillard.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19138883 >four pages >couldn't even group paragraphs that are clearly touching on the same point next to each other

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 16:22:23 2021 No.19147647 >>19138107 >>19138883 I appreciate the effort in a way

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 16:25:24 2021 No.19147664 >>19138502 Its relative rarity suggests high intelligence is not a very useful adaptation

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 16:32:38 2021 No.19147708 >>19142740 There's nothing to refute here because it's not relevant to the discussion. You showed up to a conversation about why there are no ice cubes in the freezer and said "the length iceists will go to to defend not having a pool"

Anonymous Thu Sep 30 16:43:53 2021 No.19147780

>>19141671
As someone who was interested in psych, as well as philosophy, and now plans to switch to computing instead, the main issue is its been infested with a heavy left leaning bias along with the other social sciences. You arent getting objective learning you're often getting a narrative supported by their selection of "science"

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 18:14:32 2021 No.19148324 Can someone justify the thought process leftists like OP's author go through when thinking IQ varies amongst individuals BUT NOT groups? Is it a larp so she doesn't get canceled? Do they all have an underlying secret understanding?

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 18:14:46 2021 No.19148325 >>19139411 Whats contraversial about what he said? White women should be starting starting families instead of spending their maternal instincts on whatever pet is currently favored by jews

Anonymous Thu Sep 30 18:15:38 2021 No.19148331

>>19148324
>“To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy, to forget whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed, and then promptly to forget it again: and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself -- that was the ultimate subtlety: consciously to induce unconsciousness, and then, once again, to become unconscious of the act of hypnosis you had just performed. Even to understand the word 'doublethink' involved the use of doublethink.”

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 18:50:21 2021 No.19148534 >>19148325 Burning people at the stake is bad, anon.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 19:07:41 2021 No.19148629 >>19138576 maybe, but maybe socialism is the Great Filter and we are fucked no matter what

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 19:31:50 2021 No.19148739 >>19148534 Not nearly as bad as failing to fulfill your duty to society you live in though

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 20:38:18 2021 No.19149012 >>19148629 Then this universe has a really dumb great filter.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 23:34:25 2021 No.19149932 >>19148534 >t. heretic

Anonymous Fri Oct 1 00:30:20 2021 No.19150164
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>>19138098
There's a thoughtful critique on the LA Review of Books which questions her assumptions and conclusions

https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/why-dna-is-no-key-to-social-equality-on-kathryn-paige-hardens-the-genetic-lottery/

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 1 01:03:31 2021 No.19150312 >>19141174 nigger logic

Anonymous Fri Oct 1 06:01:00 2021 No.19151340
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>>19150164
>Yet in her effort to convince readers that genes matter, Harden overstates the degree to which they matter. She tells readers that, “in samples of White people living in high-income countries, a polygenic index created from the educational attainment GWAS typically captures about 10–15 percent of the variance in outcomes like years of schooling, performance on standardized academic tests, or intelligence test scores.” She compares this figure to that for household income, which accounts for 11 percent of the variance. What Harden doesn’t tell readers is that much more of the variance is explained by parental education: about 17 percent when only one parent is considered and over 20 percent when both are. The polygenic index for educational attainment therefore captures an underwhelming amount of variance in educational attainment and other socioeconomic outcomes — certainly not enough to justify putting it at the center of policy solutions.
Cutting edge science that can predict at birth from your genes 10-15% of the variance isn't quite as good as knowing the socioeconomic position of your parents - this is not surprising. If anything, parental education explaining so little is shocking.
I haven't read the book, but GWAS are in their infancy (i.e. about 10 years old), and are nibbling away at explaining the total heritability of various traits that twin and sibling studies have identified. Those studies are far more relevant than GWAS at explaining the influence of nature/nurture.

>Her target is historian Ibram X. Kendi, who defines a “biological antiracist” as someone who believes that “there are no genetic racial differences.” But Harden is reading Kendi out of context. In How to Be an Antiracist, Kendi clearly rejects the view that biological, essentialist differences, whether genetic or otherwise, explain behavioral and social differences between Blacks and Whites. As he says: “Biological racism rests on two ideas: that the races are meaningfully different in their biology and that these differences create a hierarchy of value.” Kendi says that antiracism requires rejecting both views, not just the latter, as some would have it. Kendi does not claim that there are no genetic differences between people; indeed, he acknowledges genetic variation between individuals based on geography, but rightfully denies that this is racially meaningful. Harden, who rejects race as a biologically valid category, should agree. Her target is in effect a Strawman view, which no serious scholar holds, that there is no genetic variation across populations.
Damn this shit is hard to follow.

Anonymous Fri Oct 1 06:09:29 2021 No.19151367

>>19150164
>We think Harden misunderstands the liberal resistance here. After all, it was the liberal egalitarian disability activists who fought for disability rights for the genetically, congenitally, and otherwise disabled in the 1970s. What liberals reject is any facile entertainment of the “cognitively superior European” thought experiment because it flirts with centuries of scientific racism. It is not an innocent example, and it is no surprise that the thought experiment isn’t instead a speculation about African cognitive superiority. Liberals balk because there is absolutely no data, as Harden herself acknowledges, suggesting the existence of biological differences that could provide an explanation for the appalling socioeconomic disparities created by centuries of racist policy.
Goddammit this review is funny. It sounds like Harden is trying to break it to them as gently as possible, spoon feeding them the science that is inevitably coming down the pipeline whilst whispering that they can have all their social programs and pretend 'race' doesn't exist and they just spit it out "RACIST, read Ibram X. Kendi, certified genius, genes cannot possibly explain black white inequality, scientifically impossible."

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 1 10:06:39 2021 No.19152058 >>19138225 And a lot of subversive matridna strategies too. Hence they always team up with other subversive groups like gays and social parasites to disempower the dominant male group. Maximum Power Principle is life.

Anonymous Fri Oct 1 10:39:20 2021 No.19152212

>>19148324
Imagine being religious and believing in science save for those areas which contradict your faith, which you block out mentally. That is the modern progressive. Still, it's surprising to see someone in that camp even suggest mental and psychological faculties are subject to natural selection and thus variation.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 1 10:51:42 2021 No.19152258 >>19138176 post it

Anonymous Fri Oct 1 12:32:06 2021 No.19152708

Remember when that jewish geneticist wrote an NYT article trying to gently explain to liberals that "it's literally only melanin" was just a smidgen too unscientific and was going to allow Satan himself to gain a foothold in discourse?

Remember the 1k comments on the article from liberal boomers and jews trying to gently explain that they think he's a demon who's trying to fool everyone with botox and fake eyelashes?

Remember when, right in the exact midpoint of the article, its purpose was realized with that one sentence that mentions that ashkenazi jews are technically allegedly ridiculously purported to be the smartest?

Remember when Steven Pinker did the thing where he he made a powerpoint presentation on why ashkenazi jews are very smart but it's maybe sort of not genetic because that would be nazi idk the science is fuzzy.

God I love jews. Hilarious shit. Can't wait for the next generation to produce its own version of this genre, these skits with free-form jazz. I love it.
I also love the genre of white women doing something mildly intelligent--or even, just something different--for a change and then getting verbally abused by everyone on the planet.

ITT we've got
>the righteous guy who KNOWS that the word eugenics auto-implies authoritarianism
>the guy who insists that eugenics is no different from exaggerated fit mate selection
>the 200 iq who reminds everyone that DNA contains more than just eye color: behavioral cues from docility to psychopathy
>the smattering of christcucks who can't participate in this discussion at all besides meekly muttering "save your soul" non-sequiturs
>once again, no mention of the 14 day embryo rule, its implementation, its relation as a pre-req to genetic engineering, or Israel's recent relaxation of it

I am supremely glad to know that nothing has changed in the past 10 years. Absolutely nothing. Except, perhaps, Israel's biotech scene. Again, glad.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 1 12:47:47 2021 No.19152807 >>19138114 Lower the ceiling to simulate raising the floor.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 1 13:14:35 2021 No.19152946 >>19152708 pee pee poo poo this anon is a pseud pee pee poo poo

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 1 13:17:16 2021 No.19152961 >>19138609 They need to organize dysgenic masses for political power, of course they're going to pander to the delusions of the sick and unfit.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 1 13:19:08 2021 No.19152976 >>19141004 >x is only x when the state does it this is like some weird inversion of communist logic

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 1 13:25:03 2021 No.19153004 >>19138225 Wherever did you get the idea that women don't compete for males?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 1 13:25:09 2021 No.19153005 I hate the fact that they call it a lottery, as if its all random, and the struggles of people's ancestors over millennia of hardship and selection pressures to get to this point are just irrelevant.

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>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 1 14:04:35 2021 No.19153231 File: 14 KB, 397x225, yeah_thats_the_stuff.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19152946 thanks for the meal

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 1 14:29:11 2021 No.19153356 >>19148739 >>19149932 Ohh watch out boys, we have some edgy fucking reddit tier faggots who want to start burning people at the stake. Aren't they so cool and out there?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 1 15:25:15 2021 No.19153694 >>19153356 ironic considering we have digital stake burnings all the time from your crowd, but as they say DO YA THANG TWITTER

Anonymous Fri Oct 1 15:48:31 2021 No.19153808

>>19138363
>>19138431
>>19142956
>Gould literally fabricated the data in Mismeasure while falsely accusing the older scientists of having fabricated their data.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Jay_Gould
>>Biography
>His mother Eleanor was an artist, whose parents were Jewish immigrants

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 1 16:09:55 2021 No.19153921 >>19153005 That fact that families use terms like the smart one or the good looking one is proof enough that it is a lottery. There are clearly siblings that mog other sibling physically or intellectually

Anonymous Fri Oct 1 16:24:28 2021 No.19153995

>>19148324
In Pinker's "Blank Slate" he very quickly avoid the discussion by simply referring to Guns, Germs, and Steel.
Said that I've only read the first 100 pages of the book, so I don't know if he return on the topic (unlikely, he seemed very scared of the argument).
Also I just realized that the Blank Slate was written in fucking 2002, if that was something taboo back then I can't imagine now.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 1 16:25:53 2021 No.19154006 >>19138114 tax the genetically gifted

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 1 16:27:33 2021 No.19154011 >>19153004 they compete for male resources not sperm

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 1 16:29:06 2021 No.19154018 File: 13 KB, 262x262, 1593860955393.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19138363 >book thats literally been deboonked

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 1 16:31:46 2021 No.19154030 >>19147664 the list of species led to extinction by humans suggests otherwise

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 1 16:33:26 2021 No.19154040 >>19153005 Remember that these people don't feel or identify any real connection to the past or future, they're just rootless consoomer bug people living in the moment.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 1 16:35:42 2021 No.19154052 >>19138520 >liberal white women are going to get bailed out of the problems they caused by some group of simps for the price of a pussy I see no changes here

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 1 16:38:25 2021 No.19154069 >>19139435 >appeal to authority

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 1 16:41:47 2021 No.19154084 >>19138098 what if they use CRISPR to get rid of jealousy? whoa leftism gone

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 1 17:11:57 2021 No.19154214 David Reich's lab at Harvard is pretty much dismantling the whole "race is not real" type nonsense that most modern leftists believe. Im excited to see the stuff Reich and his team publish in the coming years.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 1 17:30:14 2021 No.19154276 >>19154018 1.The two are not independent of each other 2. Women seek biologically fit producers of sperm

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 1 20:51:24 2021 No.19155243 >>19153005 They call it a lottery because they're good little rawlsians.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 1 21:55:16 2021 No.19155586 >>19152708 I think they spaz out even harder in the future. I've seen bubbling signs that the left is going in on incest. I think one of the talking points will be that being against incest is eugenics.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 1 22:00:12 2021 No.19155613 >>19154214 Based fellow Archaeogenetics bro.

Anonymous Fri Oct 1 23:37:33 2021 No.19155964

>>19138593
Civilization certainly alters the selective pressures placed upon the humans that inhabit it. This should be common sense. I have very little faith that our current iteration of civilization can be steered out of this current dysgenic death spiral. The best strategy seems to me that intelligent and capable individuals should begin gathering together covertly into a breakaway civilization with the intention of surviving the inevitable collapse and take it upon themselves to design long term plans for healthy sustainable human development. It's either that or just give up and submit to the cycles of civilization and let humanity destroy itself with short-sighted greed and lust for power.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 1 23:44:44 2021 No.19155995 >>19139499 how does killing industrious and good looking people increase the average IQ

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 1 23:54:04 2021 No.19156020 >>19138098 Is this some type of bioleninist autism that wants to CRISPR everyone into a homogenous drone work unit after the any-day-now world revolution happens?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 2 01:16:44 2021 No.19156313 >>19138218 They must lack the evolved gene for understanding it..

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 2 01:20:37 2021 No.19156322 >>19138114 Exterminate white people

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 2 01:22:41 2021 No.19156326 If you can breed a wolf into a poodle what do you think you can do with a person? Biology is destiny.

Anonymous Sat Oct 2 01:28:51 2021 No.19156338

>>19138218
Women can’t think beyond their fee fees. And because the educated ones don’t have families they latch onto the sub human brown retard races as a replacement for child rearing. Whatever women touch they turn into a child safe retard park with rubber mats and helmets galore. Anything that might pop that safety bubble world view is violently shunned even if were to save their worthless feminized life. The misogynists were right, women never should have been allowed out of the kitchen and bedroom. More then even Jews they are the reason academia in the West has become almost 100% fake and gay.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 2 01:31:10 2021 No.19156345 >>19138363 >Stephen Jay Gould He got caught lying like a Jew

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 2 01:35:51 2021 No.19156356 >>19138820 This is true. The left, high powered by psychotic Jewry, is hell bent on overturning everything good in order to assuage their inferiority complex. They will stop at nothing to return the world to chaos and dirt.

Anonymous Sat Oct 2 01:54:53 2021 No.19156396

>>19156020
So it seems. So it seems. Without of course having stopped to consider the contents of the book let alone read and evaluate it my impression is that it pushes this kind of inverted viewpoint of eugenics that advocates grinding down those with good genes to reduce the human stock to a middling average in pursuit of "genetic equity."
All but the most willfully self-deluded know that someone without down syndrome is intrinsically favorable than someone with it, and one of the greatest problems humankind faces is the genetic detritus mucking up its lineages . Nobody wants to see more downies walking the earth. People want to see the kinds of human optima we all deep down know are not culturally biased but are innate and intrinsic anatomical and physiological templates of beauty, intelligence, and fitness.

Somehow the nazis, who didn't even have a good understanding of heredity and got caught up on a scientifically far less informative concept of race have become associated with the fact that people are built of varying quality materials and have lent this truth unfavorable connotations when it's just the case that some people are genetically superior to others and others inferior and we have to learn how to deal with it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 2 02:13:26 2021 No.19156473 >>19153694 >your crowd ????? I condemn digital witch hunts too

Anonymous Sat Oct 2 03:31:27 2021 No.19156722

>>19139495
What is true is already so.
Owning up to it doesn't make it worse.
Not being open about it doesn't make it go away.
And because it's true, it is what is there to be interacted with.
Anything untrue isn't there to be lived.
People can stand what is true,
for they are already enduring it.

Anonymous Sat Oct 2 05:59:47 2021 No.19157143

>>19153921
Those are random chances FROM WITHIN an existing fixed distribution of genetic potential that itself got to where it is through struggle, pressure, history etc. It doesn't mean that populations themselves only got to where they did by luck or random chance.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 2 09:21:43 2021 No.19157669 >>19138363 Gould himself admitted that he would lie if he ever discovered controversial facts about races. Why would you even read him to begin with?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 2 09:27:23 2021 No.19157692 >>19138098 >Bell Curve - Lefty Version No such thing. It’s like saying “righty argument for why tranny pronouns and trigger warnings are awesome”. It’s an oxymoron, it goes against their most fundamental beliefs.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 2 09:43:32 2021 No.19157753 >>19154214 >>19155613 Be sure to read the data, not the spin. Reich's data will probably be solid, but when he writes/talks about it, he will be globohomo.

Anonymous Sat Oct 2 10:24:32 2021 No.19157897

>>19138820
Could you say the right is the inverse of that? Where the right is very cynical about social relations and desires homogeneity and religious similarity to weld people together pragmatically?
While at the same time they are idealist in their attempts to gain power and painted Trump as a messianic figure.

Anonymous Sat Oct 2 10:42:05 2021 No.19157966

>>19157897
>painted Trump as a messianic figure.
No anon, that was just us.

>>19154214
>>19157753
There is no way Harvard [yeshiva] publishing is going to print the races are genetically distinct, especially with regards to intelligence. I wonder what will actually come of it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 2 12:23:34 2021 No.19158345 >>19140736 >They Kys

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 2 16:10:50 2021 No.19159397 >>19158345 Xer*

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 2 17:36:17 2021 No.19159835 File: 42 KB, 600x620, 1629665543315.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19138883 >>19138107 Based, genecels seething

Anonymous Sat Oct 2 17:52:26 2021 No.19159902
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>>19139435
The problem with eugenics is two-fold. First, that everyone who wants it thinks they have "the good genes" and aren't going to be part of the bulk of human cattle sterilized and bussed away to hinterlands to be removed from the gene pool, because in historical practice, no eugenics program EVER focuses on the breeding side, it's always on the extermination and sterilization side.

Second, because the
>many important metrics
change over time, and are extremely political environment dependent. You just need one retard in power who disagrees with you and your politics on what a
>important metric
is to, after a fuckton of slaughter (potentially including you) you don't even get a cool society, you just end up like the Amish where everyone's marrying their first cousin or whatever because the gene pool is so fucked anyways and is so limited after decades of protectionism from outsiders and optimization towards
>important metrics
like "whose family is most religious" that inbreeding is the norm and is completely unavoidable

Saying
>we should do intentional societal eugenics
is bad for the same reason
>we should switch to a North-Korean style "one man one leader" system
is bad - you're literally putting all your eggs in one very, very unstable basket.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 2 17:53:40 2021 No.19159911 >>19138883 >Literal 2000 word essay At least they still have passion for writing

Anonymous Sat Oct 2 18:00:50 2021 No.19159937

>>19159902
What we are more likely to get is a eugenic breakaway civilization where the wealthy and powerful practice eugenics among their in-group while intentionally implementing conditions upon the masses that facilitate dysgenics. I'd assert that this is already the case and what we are witnessing in recent western politics exemplifies this.

Anonymous Sat Oct 2 18:54:31 2021 No.19160190

>>19159937
What value is inducing dysgenics in the majority of the population? You just end up with a bunch of useless difficult people using up resources. This is like the argument that science would develop a cure for aging but the government wouldn't subsidize it. Just curing diabetes is worth trillions to society. It would cost so much more to continue paying for all these old problems.

Anonymous Sat Oct 2 19:02:14 2021 No.19160216

>>19138114
Basically subsidize the low IQ instead of pretending that you can just affirmative action their way up; genetic differences would be an argument for equality of outcome because no one deserves their superior genes. Not even kidding, that's what her point boils down to.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 2 19:09:44 2021 No.19160243 >>19160190 >You just end up with a bunch of useless difficult people using up resources. As opposed to intelligent and able people using up the same resources. Which of the two is a bigger threat to your group?

Anonymous Sat Oct 2 19:22:28 2021 No.19160276
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>>19160243
Then you just sterilize them all, like with some sort of worldwide vaccine program. But no, that is also bad, who is going to run the nuclear plants? Heck why would you expect these dysgenics to show up for any job? Do you want to run everything yourself? You have that many children? No, you want lots of inventive, industrious, and servile people. Beautiful too, so you can have a quick screw when you want. Science isn't there yet though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 2 20:09:46 2021 No.19160456 File: 121 KB, 289x435, 2590FRAUD.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19138098

Anonymous Sat Oct 2 23:16:50 2021 No.19161132

>>19160190
The majority of the population is becoming increasingly obsolete and a significant percentage of them will be replaced by AI and automation in the not too distant future. The masses are rapidly shifting from being a valuable resource into being a liability.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 2 23:50:08 2021 No.19161250 >>19161132 Yes fine. Then you sterilize/kill them (if your ethics allow it), not cause then to breed a bunch of even more useless children (no matter which ethical theory you have.)

Anonymous Sun Oct 3 00:31:31 2021 No.19161434

for the midwits missing the point.
it's not that eugenics don't produce results, the problem lies in who gets to decide which traits should be selected for.
(Pretty sure anyone here can think of a particular group they would be very uncomfortable in knowing they're shaping the evolutionary future of humanity)

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 3 01:00:06 2021 No.19161518 >>19161434 And we should be comfortable with the fact that your dimwitted mother was able to help shape the evolutionary future of humanity by producing you?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 3 01:02:16 2021 No.19161526 >>19161518 Just as we're as comfortable with yours, yes, that is the jist of it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 3 01:04:06 2021 No.19161533 >>19161518 Total anarchy will always be preferable to total tyranny.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 3 01:18:16 2021 No.19161588 >>19161526 >>19161533 But what shall be done when a powerful group of humans successfully organizes to engage in eugenics and as a result all of our dimwitted mothers and their progeny are rendered a perpetually inferior class of humans?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 3 02:19:57 2021 No.19161793 >>19138156 Sparta was more kind and human than any so-called egalitarian society, while one seeks to bring the best the other seeks to bring the worst

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 3 02:44:21 2021 No.19161874 >>19154214 David "A Thousand Years" Reich

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 3 02:57:40 2021 No.19161912 >>19160276 Nice facebook pic Bob.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 3 04:24:27 2021 No.19162200 >>19138883 What word processor are you viewing this in? I need a dark mode word processor

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 3 05:54:13 2021 No.19162398 >>19154214 He's also not a racist.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 3 05:56:48 2021 No.19162408 >>19156396 Probably because the Nazis put into practice the most far-reaching "eugenics" program.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 3 05:59:38 2021 No.19162419 File: 72 KB, 352x524, fca[1].png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19156020 >bioleninist

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 3 06:01:17 2021 No.19162427 >>19153005 WE

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 3 06:06:16 2021 No.19162436 >>19141048 >he believes the China meme

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 3 09:06:56 2021 No.19162934 >>19138593 okay there robert e howard. i bet we all become apes and worship dark gods in ruins after a long enough time too. you idiot

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 3 09:12:28 2021 No.19162956 >>19161874 underrated post

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 3 09:12:30 2021 No.19162957 >>19162934 He isn't exactly wrong. Civilizations rise and fall. What exactly has been achieved in this iteration to prevent the fall? Eternity is quite a long time to hold back entropy, do you honestly believe humans are capable of this?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 3 11:21:45 2021 No.19163480 >>19162408 Allegedly >>19162934 >>19162957 We seem not to far from genetically engineering a new human, which could significantly change the type of civilization we produce.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 3 11:49:53 2021 No.19163605 >>19163480 We're very far from it honestly sci news are utter shit and completely fail at describing the (sad) reality

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 3 12:29:00 2021 No.19163770 >>19163480 >allegedly

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 3 13:02:24 2021 No.19163888 >>19163770 Where are the bomes? The boines my man, where dem boones? >>19163605 Ethically distant? Because we are getting lots of the old genome decanted with regards to intelligence. Gattaca is just a few pluripotent stem cells away.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 3 13:26:21 2021 No.19163990 >>19138576 Love is the best form of Eugenics you fucking sperg.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 3 14:24:25 2021 No.19164235 how did humans get to be as smart as we are without eugenics... that's right. God. Therefore be zealous, and Repent.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 3 15:21:32 2021 No.19164551 >>19164235 Seems to me your God was very against humans eating from the tree of knowledge.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 3 16:26:20 2021 No.19164933 >>19164235 >how did humans get to be as smart as we are without eugenics... Indifference to the suffering of the poor. Intelligence memed itself into being negatively selected for.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 3 16:38:39 2021 No.19164988 >>19138107 >top amazon review is a long rambling essay about why the author is wrong and a nazi whoa, now I'm interested

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 3 19:05:19 2021 No.19165682 >>19138114 Give all white babies lead poisoning so their IQ matches the average black man

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 3 20:32:04 2021 No.19166098 after reading this thread in full, i can only say that i wish civilisation never progressed past ancient greece.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 3 21:15:41 2021 No.19166388 >>19166098 after reading your entire post i think ur a fag

Anonymous Sun Oct 3 22:07:37 2021 No.19166659

>>19161588
We call that a "bad thing" and last time someone tried at scale, we did WW2 to stop it.

Nukes made it harder to repeat the
>fuck up warmongering eugenicists
plan but since China's up to shenanigans most western nations have been sanctioning them and using Covid as an excuse to move production out, which is helping pressure the regime to stop pretty much as best as we're able without explicitly starting a war that ends with everyone in the stone age.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 3 22:15:43 2021 No.19166692 >>19140719 >and if the “desirable trait” becomes something that is dysgenic or antisocial down the road? such as?

Anonymous Sun Oct 3 22:41:21 2021 No.19166804

>>19166659
The country with the most developed eugenics program before WWII was the United States. The country with the most significant eugenics program after WWII, still the United States. The country that currently has the most active eugenics program is still the United States. So what exactly are you talking about?

Anonymous Sun Oct 3 22:55:25 2021 No.19166870

>>19166804
>So what exactly are you talking about?
WW2 and Pre-WW2 Nazi Germany's mass extermination, eviction, and exile of Jews, homosexuals, the elderly, the disabled, and rounding up of other social or genetic undesirables by the Nazis for the purpose of eradicating these groups in society, with the propaganda's stated purpose of taking these actions being eugenically building and growing a new "master race".

The above things are bad and someone with the power to do that is categorically a
> powerful group of humans successfully organized to engage in eugenics

So what we did, historically, in response, was strenuous opposition, namely
>liberate the camps they were using to exterminate or work these groups to death, kill soldiers supporting the regime, and execute most of the high command for crimes against humanity upon the war's conclusion

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 3 22:56:50 2021 No.19166875 >>19166692 raping women to pass on seed

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 3 23:20:12 2021 No.19166956 >>19155995 IQ is a normal distribution and 100 IQ is always the median, so if you kill all the intelligent people then almost every below average person's IQ goes up.

Anonymous Mon Oct 4 00:35:25 2021 No.19167168

>>19166870
Look at Wikipedia over here. Anon, the US eugenics program started by Margaret Sanger has killed at least 5 times even the highest number estimated for the German genocide during WWII. So unless you are now going to argue the US isn't warmongering (a ludicrous claim), I don't know what you are talking about.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 4 00:38:16 2021 No.19167175 >>19138114 blame whitey?

Anonymous Mon Oct 4 00:57:55 2021 No.19167247

>>19167168
> Margaret Sanger
Are you implying that birth control is a "US eugenics program" and is in any way comparable to a literal genocide?

If so, you've lost the plot, anon. Literally every developed nation uses birth control, making calling it a "US program" pretty stupid, and there's an obvious big difference between those German measures where
>the federal government sends troops to your home to escort you, your family, and your entire neighborhood to work camps and death camps
and
>private individuals can purchase widely available condoms and hormonal birth control

>But I meant abortion-
Which is not a form of birth control, and so long as I'm Mr. Wikipedia, pulling from the article on Sanger,
>Due to her connection with Planned Parenthood, Sanger is a frequent target of criticism by opponents of abortion. However, Sanger drew a sharp distinction between birth control and abortion and was opposed to abortions throughout the bulk of her professional career, declining to participate in them as a nurse
So you SAY abortion if you mean abortion, because if you mean birth control, you're being retarded making the comparison

>But Sanger supported eugenics-
-and old-timey presidents owned slaves; no one's perfect, more at 11. Also support for something stupid doesn't mean the good stuff you did wasn't good, nor does it make something that isn't eugenics, eugenics.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 4 02:04:32 2021 No.19167451 >>19167247 >Eugenics is only genocide or forced sterilisation or some other evil This low IQ take is the primary reason for opposition to eugenics today unfortunately.

Anonymous Mon Oct 4 02:34:12 2021 No.19167554

>>19167247
Sanger helped start Planned Parenthood to "cleanse the race". I put it in quotes because that's the phrase she repeatedly uses in her book. Planned Parenthood performs 35% of all abortions in America. PP was started, and continues, to target low income and minority women, and their neighborhoods. It is a eugenics program that has killed tens of millions. That is its purpose and it is successful at that purpose. (Including birth control would be far more than just tens of millions) The incarceration rate and life expectancy of American blacks isn't exactly a heartening argument against there being an ongoing genocide either.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 4 02:40:16 2021 No.19167584 >>19167451 Seems like a fear based pysop to intentionally discourage people from discussing eugenics. Just because we choose to ignore selection pressures doesn't mean that they cease to exist.

Anonymous Mon Oct 4 03:00:58 2021 No.19167637

>>19167554
Since you seem likely to have trouble following along I will add. Before the war the US had been in the lead on eugenics, the Germans program got ideas from the US model. Then Germany was attacked and defeated for reasons completely unrelated to any Jewish genocide. After the war US eugenics continued to up their game until they moved from involuntary sterilization and birth control onto mass homicide. (Beyond blacks, Jews are overrepresented in those deaths too. Hmm, thinking about it, they probably go to private clinics.)

Anonymous Mon Oct 4 03:09:45 2021 No.19167657

>>19167451
This is the eugenics version of
>REAL communism has never been tried!!!

>>19167554
>It is a eugenics program that has killed tens of millions
The difference you continue to refuse to acknowledge is that in the US, all of these systems you're calling "eugenics" are free and voluntary, whereas in countries like Germany, they were mandatory and forcibly imposed on the populace. Any analogy you try to use to relate the two is just going to fall through because there's a big fucking difference between choosing to use a condom or take a pill or opt into an optional surgery, versus being shot and rounded up.

The core issue with all of your arguments is you're saying we need to advocate for "more eugenics". It's my belief that the only element you can get more on is by compromising voluntariness, because you can't argue
>we should do more eugenics, we don't do enough
and simultaneously complain
>we do literally the most eugenics

>US eugenics continued to up their game until they moved from involuntary sterilization and birth control onto mass homicide
You seem to have a lot of really great arguments AGAINST eugenics for someone whose ostensibly arguing we should do more of it. You LIKE involuntary sterlization and mass homicide?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 4 03:38:50 2021 No.19167745 >>19167657 Can I take it you are perfectly content with preimplantation embryonic selection? I promise we won't call it eugenics.

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Anonymous Mon Oct 4 05:07:04 2021 No.19167944

>>19167745
Whether or not I’m a fan (I’m indifferent if the decision is voluntary and to prevent known genetic life ruiners like Downs syndrome), my point’s we ALREADY do that, and far more with eg., designer babies.

If you’re advocating for “MORE eugenics”, you’re implying you want more than what’s allowed in the status quo, but for some reason won’t say what - in my view, because you DO want some nazi shit or involuntary program, because why else would you be so fuckin’ cagey about what you want?

Tldr
>we should do more eugenics
>”like what?”
>more.
>”okay, how?”
>[REFUSES TO ANSWER]
>”Like nazis where you force it on people? That’s where everyone historically goes first when you say ‘more’.
>[REFUSES TO ANSWER]
Quit being a sussy baka, anon.

Anonymous Mon Oct 4 05:08:10 2021 No.19167947

Are there any older, more original books on this take? This book's new, there are barely any reviews and I'm not pulling the trigger if it's rehashing what's already been explained in the past. At this point there's nothing new under the sun.

I prefer 19th or early 20th century studies on this kind of stuff. You can't find modern scholarship on things like eugenics or race realism because those would ostracize you from the academia and "scientific community" and you can kiss all that grant funding goodbye.

Anonymous Mon Oct 4 05:09:26 2021 No.19167952

>>19156396
Beg you to read to the end if you're the anon I'm responding to. Actually talks about the book.
I just assume what my biases tell me, and even if it isn't to degenerate people, there's still a degree of CRISPR'ing everyone into work units. And then all the extra shit added on so certain world society which is definitely the next step of humanity can work, but that's just what I think of when I see left ideologies and them tackling genetics, the book probably doesn't advocate that, after a little bit of research in it, it still seems to propose some utopian alternative though. But I think it's nice some leftists seem to realize genes do matter, even if majorly shunned.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 4 05:12:15 2021 No.19167961 >>19167944 There's some shit by Charles Murray, not exactly old though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 4 05:13:16 2021 No.19167965 >>19167961 meant for >>19167961

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 4 05:14:36 2021 No.19167969 >>19167961 meant for >>19167947

Anonymous Mon Oct 4 05:24:21 2021 No.19167996

>>19167947
>primary reason for opposition to eugenics today unfortunately.
No retard it's because polite society doesn't like discussions that lead to scary or "racist" conclusions, especially something that suggests egalitarianism isn't perfect or that inequality isn't systemic - this post sort of captures that point >>19167584 although I don't think it's a psyop. It's just not part of the Overton window and saying it publicly will ruin your name. Discussing black crimes rates like "muh 13/52" is an obvious example, as is Asian American academic performance since it's incompatible with the principles of affirmative action (colleges changed minorities to under-resepresented minorities, notice URM is the de facto phrase) and invokes the obvious truth to racial IQ differences. They use all sorts of semantic games without admitting the obvious reason.

Also see >>19167947
>You can't find modern scholarship on things like eugenics or race realism because those would ostracize you from the academia and "scientific community" and you can kiss all that grant funding goodbye.

The Supreme Court hasn't had the chance to overturn the infamous Buck v. Bell case which says compulsory sterilization is perfectly constitutional. It's constantly criticized but sterilization/eugenics have never faced the Court since then so it's still the law of the land. Based Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes put it best:

>The ruling was written by Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. In support of his argument that the interest of "public welfare" outweighed the interest of individuals in their bodily integrity, he argued:

>We have seen more than once that the public welfare may call upon the best citizens for their lives. It would be strange if it could not call upon those who already sap the strength of the State for these lesser sacrifices, often not felt to be such by those concerned, to prevent our being swamped with incompetence. It is better for all the world, if instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime, or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind. The principle that sustains compulsory vaccination is broad enough to cover cutting the Fallopian tubes.
He's 100% right.

Anonymous Mon Oct 4 05:36:08 2021 No.19168026

>>19167969
I assume you mean the bell curve, but that's been discussed to death and all the basic details are online.

He wrote a book called "Coming Apart" a few years ago. I enjoyed it. He used a thinly-veiled bluepill by attributing everything to economics so even the NYT said it was one of their books of the year and called it a must-read. Pretty much describes how economic divides have made rural whites (the redneck trash meme) experience a sort of eugenic-like stratification. People associate with their own kind economically and geographically so urban, high-IQ yuppies marry each other while the working class keep marrying their hometown low class rivals. He avoids IQ and uses term like "cognitive ability" so it's not considered wrong think - my professor put it on our syllabus for a course, he must've known Murray's past so it was shocking but based.

Anonymous Mon Oct 4 05:55:38 2021 No.19168087

>>19167944
>Whether or not I’m a fan (I’m indifferent if the decision is voluntary and to prevent known genetic life ruiners like Downs syndrome), my point’s we ALREADY do that, and far more with eg., designer babies.
>If you’re advocating for “MORE eugenics”, you’re implying you want more than what’s allowed in the status quo, but for some reason won’t say what
I think you're pretty ignorant of the state of the art. Anyway, you want a policy discussion - I would as dictator do my best to change the incentives around family formation, which currently does everything possible to discourage smart young women from having any children until they're in their 30s, whilst rewarding those who can't think beyond next week. You can do so with larger tax credits for children and lower benefits; mandate child care at all places of employment; free IUDs for everyone - pay people to have them in fact, like Sanger etc. obviously won't tip the balance much but better than currently exists.

The real opportunities are around embryonic selection, specifically with polygenic scores which are discussed in this book. With a large enough number of embryos you can radically reduce risk for a wide range of diseases and increase desirable traits. This can be entirely voluntary and personalised for each individual. A smart government would subsidise it because of the massive savings in health care and increased productivity.

Genocide is not only evil, it's a clumsy, expensive and politically impossible policy, which I would never advocate.

I don't think we're that far apart, you're just hung up on the cartoon version of eugenics.

>>19167947
Perhaps Sociobiology by EO Wilson. Mostly about animal behaviour and biology, rather than humans, but it was enough for an attempt to cancel him in the 70s.
The Harvard education review article by Jensen is a classic and lays out the fruitlessness of current social interventions in remaking society (specifically the black-white education gap).

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 4 06:17:17 2021 No.19168134 File: 61 KB, 800x533, 1610086023049.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19139492 They dont always take that attitude

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 4 09:43:43 2021 No.19168770 >>19167996 Egalitarianism isn't the consensus of polite society, unless you live in a social democracy. In other countries, even those with social democratic movements, like the UK, it's very much in vogue to shit on whatever class of people.

Anonymous Mon Oct 4 12:30:42 2021 No.19169419

>>19167657
>there's a big fucking difference between choosing to use a condom or take a pill or opt into an optional surgery, versus being shot and rounded up.
Not to the baby. The difference also rather lessens when you constantly propagandize to ostensibly less intelligent people in desperate economic conditions, which you also had a hand in helping to create and specifically target them for.

>>19167657
>all of these systems you're calling "eugenics"
They are eugenics. Eugenics isn't about rounding up people for extermination camps. Nor are designer babies actually possible yet. I'm getting the feeling you need to be 18 to post here.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 4 13:25:34 2021 No.19169700 How can you do a lefty version of the bell curve? Wouldn't that just be saying that there's absolutely no valid way to examine patterns?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 4 13:47:44 2021 No.19169813 >>19169700 Yup and it wouldn't matter if you could because objectivity isn't real man

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 4 14:13:16 2021 No.19169965 >>19169813 So I'm confused did the guy just write a book to say "Thinking is bad everyone is identical?"

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 4 14:59:21 2021 No.19170261 File: 530 KB, 1920x2485, 1633373961515.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19152258 they're quite good trotters desu

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 4 15:26:30 2021 No.19170418 >>19146043 Kek

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 4 15:37:06 2021 No.19170478 Reich's lab proved the aryan invasion of india myth happened im looking foward to more deep ancestry studies of West Africans, San and pygmies its going to show how far removed from the rest of humanity they really are...

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 4 16:08:03 2021 No.19170638 >>19170478 Isn't it currently over 100,000 years distant? Longer than coyote diverged from wolf?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 4 16:26:40 2021 No.19170737 >>19170638 San are 200kya split, West Africans (including Bantu who split from that line) are 100kya.. with "ghost" admixture...

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 4 16:36:40 2021 No.19170788 >>19170478 All that distance and they still share the cultural universals.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 4 16:38:09 2021 No.19170794 >>19170788 lol

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 4 16:40:51 2021 No.19170810 >>19170794 It's true.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 4 16:41:55 2021 No.19170814 >>19170810 humans are much more than "universals"

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 4 16:49:25 2021 No.19170838 >>19170814 Well duh, but there's some things that all cultures have in common.

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