Can rap have literary merit? >inb4 nigger

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Anonymous Sun Sep 26 23:32:36 2021 No.19126613 [DELETED]

Can rap have literary merit?
>inb4 nigger

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 26 23:32:55 2021 No.19126616 >>19126613 only if the rapper is white

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 26 23:35:48 2021 No.19126624 >>19126613 N I G G E R

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 26 23:36:31 2021 No.19126627 >>19126613 Rage Against the Machine was unironically the peak of 90s poetry

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 26 23:36:32 2021 No.19126628 Only if clean words and positive afirmations, the absurd(gang talk) will encourage an innocent human with potential to discover the world of degeneracy and ruin his/familys life

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 26 23:53:06 2021 No.19126694 >>19126627 Based >>19126628 Maybe, but I'm more interested in "more sophisticated" hip-hop that came out of the underground in a reaction against "gangsta rap"

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 26 23:55:00 2021 No.19126700 >>19126613 no

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 26 23:57:12 2021 No.19126709 What do you mean by literary? Imo its only lit if its read, not heard.

Anonymous Sun Sep 26 23:57:42 2021 No.19126710

>>19126613
rap is great. I know you racists are worried about consuming non-white media, but really it's the oral tradition of poetry combined with simple entrancing beats. Lyrical and grammatical complexity, usually heavy with slang, balanced on a usually simple, pleasing and entrancing beat. If ya'lls don't like rap youse b faggots fr

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 26 23:59:44 2021 No.19126717 File: 343 KB, 813x850, 315.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19126710 >NIGGA IFFY UH >BLICKY GOT THE STIFFY UH >SCUUUUUUUUM GAAAAAAAAANG

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 00:01:31 2021 No.19126723 >>19126710 >really it's the oral tradition of poetry

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 00:04:18 2021 No.19126732 >>19126627 that doesn't mean it has literary merit

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 00:05:21 2021 No.19126737 >>19126694 any examples of "sophisticated" rap lyrics?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 00:05:23 2021 No.19126739 >>19126717 And all white music is "geetin drunk in muh trugg driin on a dirt rooad"

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 00:07:15 2021 No.19126747 when he said cheetos doritos fritos, I felt that lol jk, found myself listening to this freemason dude after a while, haven't heard his stuff after he passed a way. all in all, decent lad

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 00:07:26 2021 No.19126749 >>19126616 based

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 00:11:08 2021 No.19126755 >>19126737 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M--V7Rygjnw

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 00:13:45 2021 No.19126759 >>19126737 any examples of sophisticated lyrics otherwise nigga?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 00:14:18 2021 No.19126760 >>19126739 >"geetin drunk in muh trugg driin on a dirt rooad" Still more comprehensible than 90% of rap songs

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 00:14:25 2021 No.19126762 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdJm3InUc-8

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 00:14:31 2021 No.19126764 >>19126755 i cant understand much unfortunately

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 00:14:50 2021 No.19126765 >>19126613 The majority of rap is void of any substance, but there’re some great, eloquent, evocative artists within the genre.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 00:15:12 2021 No.19126769 >>19126760 Yeah, maybe if you speak cousin fucking redneck dialect.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 00:16:19 2021 No.19126773 >>19126710 shut up you ape

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Anonymous Mon Sep 27 00:18:04 2021 No.19126781

>>19126613
I don't know about "literary" because even the life-affirming stuff is still very simply articulated and tends towards cliches, but if you can get over the fact that you're not exactly "hearing anything new," but appreciate that some in their community are waking up to certain facts of life in the frame of their microcosm of social consciousness, I do still feel a tremendous beauty from that soulfulness trying to assert itself. It will never be sophisticated in the way that the art you're used to experiencing is, but it's not meant to be. It really is folkish at its core, and perhaps to me some of the work has extra impact, because the poor dealing with the struggle of life is infinitely more sympathetic than someone who has all the means to curb life's blows reacting to the same, because the only consolation option when you're destitute of all else is the emotional outcry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4yZuUQfErc

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 00:20:06 2021 No.19126791 File: 12 KB, 184x183, 1632685941660.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Yeah, maybe if you speak cousin fucking redneck dialect.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 00:20:30 2021 No.19126792 I can't listen to MF DOOM anymore. I love his production but his rhymes are so fucking corny.

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 00:20:45 2021 No.19126793

>>19126737
From death grips’ culture shock
>Shiva slashin’ through your flatscreen is nowhere for you to hide
>strangled by anaconda thumbs to the soundtrack of world genocide
>My thoughts tie knots in silver spoons, vampire on the rise
>punk a chump with a cunt for brains platoon in the zone and on the grind
>dead matter disposer from the mountains without peaks
>catch and release
>a time released horse capsule swallowed to wake the savage beast
>keep up or get left behind

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 00:20:53 2021 No.19126795 ITT: white bois thinking they cuckin theyselves by listening to black music

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 00:23:07 2021 No.19126803 >>19126759 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJf8G1E_hBU

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 00:25:27 2021 No.19126813 >>19126737 Yes. Yung Lean - Hurt >Bitch, I'm Murakami, shawty suckin' on my pastrami >Get that salami

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 00:32:05 2021 No.19126830 I'm unsure of whether the merit of good rap is musical or literary. I feel like it and slam poetry really toe the line between the two mediums. Is poetry only literary if its read instead of spoken? Is the line a beat being in the background? I dunno.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 00:41:08 2021 No.19126856 >>19126830 all poetry is musical in that it has measure, and it's usually meant to be recited out loud anyways

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 00:50:33 2021 No.19126883

>>19126793
I always like Artifical Death in the West for its lyrics

>Accustomed to these satin glitches drippin from my casket's inners
>Charmer play me out the basket last image I saw was splintered
>My reflection wasn't in it, in slow motion I give in
>Where you runnin' now, where you runnin now?
>Hopeless premonitions
>Tomorrow didn't come some say it's hiding
>But they're the ones who've hidden
>Euphoria followed by visions of peasants eating pigeons
>Where you runnin' now, where you runnin' now?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 00:51:12 2021 No.19126886 >>19126759 Almost anything by Aesop Rock. The project called "Hermit and the Recluse" is also quite good. https://youtu.be/TKOxHsbsSMQ

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 00:54:21 2021 No.19126892

>>19126883
Same, although personally I prefer Beware's lyrics:

And I know soon come my time
For in mine void a pale horse burns
But I fear not the time I've taken
Past the point of no return
Wage war like no tomorrow
'Cause no hell, there won't be one
For all who deny the struggle
The triumphant overcome

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 01:04:56 2021 No.19126917

DR. DOOOM is better and doesn't take himself so seriously
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taH3hwx4J00
>Chewing alligator meat live cowsteak sitting on old newspapers by the kitchen sink, you think I'm off limits driving a '74 dodge plymouth up the street with human feet colored apple-green with spots eating blueberry pop tarts. With the eighth body in my trunk my elbow bleeds with lumps walking from the sanitation dump with rotten skulls on my waterbed with miller beer kegs, blood in my cabinet, ears in my closet watching the raptors play the houston rockets

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 03:01:09 2021 No.19127175 >>19126886 This. Aesop Rock is undisputably one of the best lyricists in the game. 90% of his shit is unadulterated kino.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 03:12:30 2021 No.19127208 >>19126886 >Aesop Rock Reddit Rock

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 03:26:02 2021 No.19127252 >>19126613 Yes. Rap should be considered part of the American Ballad Tradition. But its literary value won't be found in the reddit puns of MF Doom. Probably my fave rap lyric is by 50 Cent: >Not a pretty nigga, but my mom think I'm handsome

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 03:34:40 2021 No.19127267 >>19126883 >>19126892 Ride is one of the greatest lyricists of all time imo

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 03:59:03 2021 No.19127330 No, but neither does Bob Dylan, and the literary establishment lavishes tons of praise on him. >>19126627 Rage Against the Machine is the cheesiest band of all time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 04:05:12 2021 No.19127349 >>19127252 >American Ballad Tradition This never had literary merit.

>>	v_v !!+e0M0fBMYzt Mon Sep 27 04:13:21 2021 No.19127370 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyE0FSMZKSM

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 04:16:03 2021 No.19127377 >>19126613 yeah but only by rappers that don't even really rap like ride i'm pretty sure he's doing some burroughs type shit with his lyrics, steroids still gives me the creeps

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 04:25:52 2021 No.19127408 File: 46 KB, 500x500, avatars-000001071706-umkd5k-t500x500.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] No. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltJuw9yNtec

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 05:14:14 2021 No.19127510 playboy carti's ad libs are the finnegans wake of music so yes

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 05:17:09 2021 No.19127520 >>19126613 Is it culturally relevant for a number of decades? Then yes

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 05:19:01 2021 No.19127529 >>19127349 No taste

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 06:51:42 2021 No.19127780 File: 102 KB, 707x755, Capture.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19126613 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKOxHsbsSMQ

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 07:21:55 2021 No.19127847

>>19126613

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82bvUBL4zOQ&t=602s&ab_channel=JosephMSunderland

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xpKeRgkpNA&ab_channel=A-OKAllDay

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=orpheus+vs+the+sirens+full+album

Back to the questiion in hand, no for the most part. this dude's lyrics tho? maybe. give it a listen your self and judge for your self. each album is like 30 mins long. all killer no killer.

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 07:28:36 2021 No.19127868

>>19126737
It's hard to say, every sentence is pain
Brothers killing brothers, descendants of Cain
Props if gettingknocked,and no mentionin'names
Had to steal, all that timeI spent in the flame

Got tobe in gracefirst, to fall from it
That money chase birthed the fall summit
Was wasteful as big eyes and a small stomach
Funny used to call my friends money, I lost hundreds
From low lands, shook of no man, God fearin'
Had death threats, not deaf yet, I'm hard hearin'
Revenge is the engine, with my heart steerin'
Enough disastrous crashes, had to start veerin'
Had to use your fists to change your fiscal
Figurin' how to get rich became the ritual
As teens bought full magazines, if we had an issue
We all had beef, but for dinner havin' gristle
All hooded, even headed in doubt, I'm sure-footed
Fear built relationships rapport couldn't
Being angelic get you popped, saying somethin' that's off-putting
Feeling weak for being in love, like amour shouldn't
Was action packed, cut your cap just to hate hub
For years spoke the code like every place bugged
Since them dudes in school, move like I taste blood
Fights bought forty nights, like the great flood
Still a nexus to the treacherous gutter
Kept two, never monochrome, my gift technicolor
Like the coat of Joseph, hope it don't affect my brother
Became man in the house quick, had to protect my mother
One of my cousins said he was gon' beat me like my pops
I blacked out, was ready to leave him in a box
My sister calmed me down, saw me reachin' for the shots
That's my linchpin, since then, we been on the rocks

[Verse 2]
May your life be fruitful if I appeal to you
I'm defense against ten trying to conceal the truth
Breaded when I medicine, that's what a healer do
Out here was too rough to bluff, every dealer knew
Don't mind if it was gross, this hope's genetic
Did the most to cope when the coast wasn't copacetic
When I rapped to you it's natural, no synthetic
Survivors of my father, it's my old genetic
I rhyme like divinity
Times the inner me cry from the imagery
Where we stood, no neighborhood sinner-free
From the curb, if any deserve to win it's me
To quiet the stomach, we had to rummage
Congregate with all denominations, but wanted hundreds
I wanted hundreds
I wanted hundreds
You got it poppin' at the top of the mornin'
Couldn't imagine what mothers on gutter blocks was endurin'
We took the hits, 'cause the knot was allurin'
My boy back up top, got popped for his urine
If a man slips, bent grip on his vice
We try our best to get it, could triple the price
Though crew did it for food, not to be drippin' in ice
Pray the stocks stack on my blocks, but liquid is nice
Known to throw trips, show fifths, dip with the dice
Dusk to dawn, much go on, no ubiquitous nights
To get paid out trade route like you shippin' a spice
The meek heard "Turn the other cheek", I got different advice
I got different advice

https://youtu.be/Zxvqe19O2H4

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 07:58:18 2021 No.19127943

>>19126613
Check out more MF DOOM, Ka, Orpheus vs the Sirens, billy woods, Armand Hammer, Earl Sweatshirt (his newer stuff mostly), Death Grips (unironically), Navy Blue, Deltron 3030, Aesop Rock, Mach-Hommy (some of his stuff is just gansta rap tho), Dälek

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 08:00:04 2021 No.19127948 File: 145 KB, 750x1264, FE8D781B-9E13-4BE7-B214-53140485BEB2_1_201_a.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >6 upside down thass a nine

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 08:12:35 2021 No.19127993 >>19127267 The lyrics were written by all the band members just FYI, should be credited to Death Grips. But yes they're some of the best out there, agreed.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 09:38:53 2021 No.19128293 >>19126616 Aesop Rock?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 10:10:01 2021 No.19128417 >>19126791 Literal chimpanzee wtf.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 10:12:57 2021 No.19128428 >>19127408 Moran is unfathomably based. Black books is just the story of a /lit/izen who owns a bookshop.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 10:13:25 2021 No.19128430 >>19126627 More like Rage with the Machine.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 10:14:30 2021 No.19128435 >>19126737 Tribe Called Quest

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 10:16:32 2021 No.19128444 >>19126710 t. 16 year old libcuck from /mu/

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 10:18:59 2021 No.19128455 >>19128430 >Fuck you I'm gonna do what you tell me

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 10:20:12 2021 No.19128462 Rap is good.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 10:20:48 2021 No.19128464 >>19128462 Rape* ftfy anon

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 10:22:45 2021 No.19128469 >>19128455 sounds like a wage slave anthem

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 10:22:51 2021 No.19128474 >>19128462 That doesn’t answer the question the thread is asking.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 10:23:29 2021 No.19128476 >>19127943 I might as well read actual good poetry and listen to classical music though. Better for mind and soul in every way

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 10:24:37 2021 No.19128479 >>19128476 why not enjoy both ?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 10:43:55 2021 No.19128547 >>19128469 Yeah, kind of, actually.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 10:51:33 2021 No.19128575 >>19128474 I wasn't trying to answer it

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 10:55:51 2021 No.19128593 >>19126613 lil ugly mane has a song that goes >standin in the rain thinkin bout all the mommas losing jobs that i be passin out, in vast amounts and i thought that was sufficiently deep premise to make a good story

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 10:58:36 2021 No.19128612 >>19126613 >And I’ma ride for my motherfucking niggas >most likely I’ma die with my finger on the trigger >they tell me don’t get high and try to make a living >I tell them I’m a hustler and I’d rather make a killing

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 10:59:24 2021 No.19128617

>>19126613
lil ugly mane has a song that goes
>standin in the rain thinkin bout all the mommas losin jobs over the rocks that i be passin out in, vast amounts
And I thought that was a sufficiently deep idea for a story, but rap makes a lot of sense for it

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 11:16:55 2021 No.19128688 >>19126613 This board is about literature, not music. That said, Sky's the Limit by Notorious BIG.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 11:19:50 2021 No.19128700 >>19128617 Lil Ugly Mane is amazing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 11:34:36 2021 No.19128771 >>19126613 It can, but it doesn't.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 12:11:46 2021 No.19129002 >>19126717 >mainstream modern music has little to no literary merit More news at 11

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 13:26:49 2021 No.19129374

By candlelight my hand will write these rhymes 'til I'm burnt out
Mostly from experience, shit that I learned about
Topics and views, generally concerned about
With different ways to come up and earn clout
I take a look at my life and pace the trails
From Tablik and savage females with fake nails to face veils

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 13:28:54 2021 No.19129380 >>19127868 Based Ka poster

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 13:35:45 2021 No.19129402 >>19126830 All literature is music but not all music is literature. Music IS the sonic experience and literature the linguistic. Linguistic experience is inherently musical but not all music experience has language. Music is the Ur-language.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 13:39:26 2021 No.19129422 File: 18 KB, 1190x1112, ngffggf.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19126769 >Yeah, maybe if you speak cousin fucking redneck dialect.

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 13:39:42 2021 No.19129425

>>19126613
Takeshi69 is the greatest mind of our generation.
His lyrics speak of freely embracing sexuality and moving on from what is old, to greener pastures.
He fully embraces any and all violence that comes his way, to the point where he, himself, causes the violence that he loves. He talks of his struggles of growing up poor, and unashamedly admits he robbed people to survive. People like this are truly the next Wolfgangs, and I implore you to listen to every song he puts out. The man puts dedication into every word of every song, and he will gladly get angry at you when he feels like it. Once again, 69 is a great rapper, a visionary of our time, and a genuine person with flaws and issues, and I WILL fight you on this. Too many of you faggots can't see talent when its dick is balls deep in your mouth. Its obvious that 6ix9ine is an avid reader of Stirners works, only caring about him and his own wants and needs. This is seen in full view with his case of"pedophilia" with a 13 year old, when in actually it's Hebephilia, and she had given consent. To sum it up, Sixnine is a philosophic songwriter who unashamedly brags about his deeds, putting in full view the horrid, despicable fashion, leaving you alone, thinking about all that is wrong in the world. That is why I firmly believe 69 is the best rapper of all time.

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 13:41:11 2021 No.19129432

>>19126613

Kanye West is not Picasso
I am Picasso
Kanye West is not Edison
I am Edison
I am Tesla
Jay-Z is not the Dylan of Anything
I am the Dylan of anything
I am the Kanye West of Kanye West
The Kanye West
Of the great bogus shift of bullshit culture
From one boutique to another
I am Tesla
I am his coil
The coil that made electricity soft as a bed
I am the Kanye West Kanye West thinks he is
When he shoves your ass off the stage
I am the real Kanye West
I don’t get around much anymore
I never have
I only come alive after a war
And we have not had it yet

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 13:43:16 2021 No.19129441 /lit/ doesn't even appreciate poetry, let alone rap

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 13:54:42 2021 No.19129488 >>19129441 >/lit/ doesn't even appreciate poetry, let alone rap thread/

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 14:20:42 2021 No.19129613 >>19129441 >poetry, let alone rap N

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 14:22:36 2021 No.19129622 >>19129441 >can’t appreciate, let alone products noteworthy for their massive commercial appeal.

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