/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.19124826]

Im literally Raskolnikov.

[Anonymous No.19124829]

>>19124826
Same. Haven't finished the book btw

[Anonymous No.19124842]

>>19124826
Im literally Okonkwo

[Anonymous No.19124847]

>>19124826
I
Am
Svidrigailov

[Anonymous No.19124859]

>>19124826
At this point ''I'm literally Raskolnikov, guys'' has become a bigger meme than ''I'm literally Harry Haller.''

[Anonymous No.19124888]

>>19124826
I JUST REALIZED THE JEANS I WEAR WHEN I TEACH MY COLLEGE MATH CLASS CLEARLY EXPOSE THE OUTLINE OF MY ASS CHEEKS!!!

[Anonymous No.19124899]

I'm literally Prince Myshkin

[Anonymous No.19124909]

>>19124826
That book is literally shit and Dostoyevsky is literally overrated.

[Anonymous No.19124912]

I wish I were Alyona Ivanovna

[Anonymous No.19124917]

Nietzsche literally reenacted the horse beating scene from this novel in real life. What else did he plagiarize?

[Anonymous No.19124923]

i cant be the only one who thinks raskolnikov would look like a human legoshi

[Anonymous No.19125084]

>>19124826
Im literally Pyotr Verkhovensky.

[Anonymous No.19125093]

>>19124826
you probably do not have his willpower

[Anonymous No.19125100]

I am literally God

[Anonymous No.19125114]

It is so common to feel like Raskolnikov that there are manga characters that feel like Raskolnikov

[Anonymous No.19125210]

>>19124826
what's up with the ending to crime and punishment
>but that's another story!
wtf? isn't that the crux of the story you're supposed to be telling here

[Anonymous No.19125224]

>>19125210
The crux of the story is that w*men ruin everything. Even a decrepit old f*moid can actively destroy your life and even killing it won't resolve the issue as these satanic creatures can still haunt you from beyond the grave.

[Anonymous No.19125229]

>>19125210
anon, it's called crime and punishment, not crime and punishment and redemption

[Anonymous No.19125241]

I don't feel like cooking today.

[Anonymous No.19125348]

>>19125210
the implied existence of a future story to come is the happiest ending the book could have gotten

[Anonymous No.19125357]

>>19125348
no the happiest ending is Raskolnikov becoming emperor.

[Anonymous No.19125360]

what i wouldnt do to date raskolnikov bros...

[Anonymous No.19125459]

Rasklnikov is literally born-to-be Cowboy that happens to be in the boring old boring pre-Soviet shithole of Russia. He should have been the one going to America, not that old boomer rapist. Haven't finished the book btw

[Anonymous No.19125543]

Can I fuck your sister?

[Anonymous No.19126894]

>>19124826
I may be stupid but I cant follow this book. The scene in the bar is as far as I got because I couldn't tell who was talking.

[Anonymous No.19126968]

>>19126894
It's hard to follow because it's poorly written dogshit, not sure why it get shilled

[Anonymous No.19127014]

>>19124923
Not any more

[Anonymous No.19128071]

>>19126894
oh... they're talking at raskolnikov's apartment... again

[Anonymous No.19128084]

>>19124826
Enjoy prison

[Anonymous No.19128090]

>>19125093
He was a louse

[Anonymous No.19128093]

>>19125210
Do you not understand what a narrative is?

[Anonymous No.19128099]

>>19128071
oh shut your whore mouth the conversations and feverdreams in raskolnikovs room are some of the best parts

[Anonymous No.19128104]

>>19128090
i dont think he ever demonstrated any sort of willpower throughout the story. his convictions were iffy, his motives were iffy, and his refusal to turn himself in demonstrated his weakness. the only time he showed any sort of willpower was when he fessed up

[Anonymous No.19128121]

>>19125459
>old boomer rapist
He’s not a rapist. That’s kind of the point.

[Anonymous No.19128124]

>>19126894
It’s some drunk dude who is actively fucking his family over and lamenting to raskolnikov. It becomes important much later in the story but you can basically skim most of it since it’s just a lot of exposition to say “I’m a drunk and keep spending all my money on booze leaving my family in poverty and my daughter has to sell her body now to make ends meet.”
This is where most people get stuck the first read through since it seems very out of place and seemingly serves no narrative purpose.

[Anonymous No.19128477]

>>19124847
...me too

[Anonymous No.19128486]

I'm literally Sonja's dad

[Anonymous No.19128523]

Huh, what a coincidence I am actually reading the book as well anon. 100 more pages until the end but even now I see that Raskolnikov has cracked and has basically admitted his murder

[Anonymous No.19128604]

>>19124847
Please follow him and kill yourself as well

[Anonymous No.19129688]

>>19128486
marmiteladov waw based

[Anonymous No.19129725]

>>19124923
>tfw no arc where raskolnikov talks to a shark and has to answer a quiz show on societal norms to enter a black market fighting tournament
feels bad

[Anonymous No.19130039]

>>19126894
have you not read a book before?

[Anonymous No.19130103]

>>19124826

Every plebeian binary C&P-BKZV Dosto reader fails to compreheend how ridiculous Raskolnikov is. Prince Mishkin is as mentally ill as Raskolnikov, however 100x more based. You're no different than Fantasy readers.

[Anonymous No.19130108]

>>19124923
if hes raskolnikov then jack has to be razumikhin

[Anonymous No.19130109]

>>19128486
tfw to qt sonya gf

[Anonymous No.19130116]

>>19129688
>on le walk
>le drunk
>get run over by horse
>repent, LIKE A BOSS

[Anonymous No.19130226]

Say what you want, but pic related is literally Porfiry interrogating Raskolnikov

[Anonymous No.19130240]

so are we going to talk about the dream with the horse?

[Anonymous No.19130260]

>>19130240
i hated that part :(

[Anonymous No.19130271]

>>19130260
but what does it mean

[Anonymous No.19130307]

>>19128104
>his convictions were iffy
Yes
>his motives were iffy
I think they were pretty well laid out. You have to consider that he was a student living in 19th century St. Petersburg and what that meant. This was the era where the intellectual underpinnings that would bring about the horrors of the 20th century took root. He believed that there was a bifurcation developing in the nature of man. The future belongs to the Napoleons of the world, the ones who can send 10,000 men to their deaths with a pen stroke, and are free of the antiquated shackles of conventional morality. To him, a normie was just a louse. The character of a man who could harness the energies of the masses and lead a million men into battle, slaughter millions, and reshape the world was a fundamental departure from a normal man. The murder was a declaration of his Greatness, and his participation in a new paradigm of limitless scope of action unbound by the arbitrary morals of society.
>and his refusal to turn himself in demonstrated his weakness. the only time he showed any sort of willpower was when he fessed up
Yes but there is some nuance to this question. According to his thesis, if he was really to set about on his revolution and define his own morality he would have no reason to turn himself in. That would be like turning yourself into the police for stepping on a bug. Most of the book is about the terrible disunity that his crime created in his soul. His mind was sick and poisoned, like many intellectuals of that age(which has not improved much to this day) but his heart was still good. When he turned himself in and began to repent he once again became free because the nature of man is not ours to change. It’s not serving our own will that makes us free.
It’s incredible that a man like Dostoyevsky was able to characterize this reality decades before we’d see half the world revolutionized by these very same ideas with calamitous results. The utopians of the 20th century believed in the blank slate as well. They believed we could simply enact social change and create a new Socialist Man whose nature was so fundamentally different to those who grew up during capitalism that it would be like a materialist eschaton.

[Anonymous No.19130316]

>>19130271
Groups of people will gather to commit moral atrocities in the name of an ideology, each one thinking themselves completely justified.

[Anonymous No.19130385]

>>19128121
There are hints that he made a mute young woman commit suicide though. What is your reasoning?

[Anonymous No.19130460]

>>19130316
to me it meant that oftentimes people's motives are unfounded and simply random. the horse, who in the grand scheme of things did nothing wrong, was used as a punching bag for simply no reason.

it may be a reach, but i think the horse is intended to represent lizaveta. throughout the story, any mentions of sympathy for the old woman are pretty much non existent. lizaveta, however, was typically mentioned in relation to the murder as why it was "tragic." lizaveta was abused and beaten by the old woman, and its mentioned that she's extremely reserved, quiet, and innocent with no other intentions but to help; yet, she was punished for this.

the fact that raskolnikov was a child during this dream means to me that he was impressionable and was developing the ability to make moral decisions. he would have seen the horse beating as wrong, and in turn, developed a moral conviction to recognize the beauty of innocence, as he was trying his best to protect the horse. lizaveta showing up in the apartment was something he didn't see coming, and in a moment of selfish panic, he was forced to abandon his convictions, and join the "wagon" of people who hurt the innocent

ik this isnt articulate but its 4chin so wahetever

[Anonymous No.19131025]

Reminder that the detective was literally the blueprint for Columbo. Pretending to act dumb but actually suspecting the whole time.

[Anonymous No.19131171]

>>19126894
>>19128071
have you tried using your brain and reading for comprehension? i swear a lot of you fuckers don't actually read you just rotely process the sound of each word or something.

[Anonymous No.19131195]

>>19130316
>Groups of people will gather to commit moral atrocities
imo your analysis should stop there. there was no ideological basis for what they did to horseman, they did it because some humans are vile. the point is that some humans will always be vile and do vile things. it ties back into the debates some of the characters have about french socialist thinkers and how some people believe that if you remove all "inequalities" all crime will cease to exist. the point is that crime and evil will exist regardless, whether rationalized through ideology or just because someone is an asshole or blowing off steam.

[Anonymous No.19131219]

>>19131025
Heh heh heh. You must know a lot about detective work...or crime in general. It sure is fascinating stuff, huh? Heh heh heh. May I ask: what draws you to the subject, anon? Some special significance, perhaps?