/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.19124209]

Books about Traditional Catholicism? It is way more aesthetic than my parents boring Protestant church. I've been watching a lot of SSPX videos on youtube and the Latin mass is pure kino.

[Anonymous No.19124217]

>aesthetics
>instead of personal relationship with our Father
Stay away from the church in general if this is your thought process.

[Anonymous No.19124229]

>>19124209
Traditional? You mean like castrating choir boys so they keep their high pitched voices?

[Anonymous No.19124238]

>>19124217
Why would you tell someone with an interest in the Church to step away from it?
Don't listen to this guy, OP. You have good taste but you also have to understand that it's much bigger than that. You will get used to the beauty and once the novelty wears off you'll only have your relationship with Jesus.
>>19124229
No, traditional like actually adhering to the Word.

[Anonymous No.19124246]

>>19124238
I would advise people to distance themselves from the pagan mystery cult that is the whore of babylon (the roman catholic imperial church). Catholicism is satanic, sorry larper

[Anonymous No.19124248]

>>19124238
>Catholic Church
>Adhering to the bible

[Anonymous No.19124265]

>>19124209
no trust me bro the protestent service is pure kino
PURE LUDO even
a bit of keyed and locked
the minimalist reverence way better then that ornamental fop
animals like baboons ornement thier asses red you dont need that

[Anonymous No.19124319]

>>19124238
I'm sorry anon, you are correct in that assertion. Op, do stick with the church but don't be a fool who cares more about looks than substance.
I'm just so tired of people who insist that one religion or tadition is better than the other simply because it looks shinier.
There's an entire business in burgerland devoted to giving Evangelicals exactly what they want to hear and then acting as though they're magically all good because "Pastor whatzit saieed that ah aym POWERFUL, and that tha LAWD is on MAH side". There's no substance, there's no care, no love. And going into a tradition simply cuz it's old or kino is pitiful, and only does a misdeed to the congregation who takes it seriously.
It's all just theological lookism, and I grow increasingly tired of it every day.

[Anonymous No.19124348]

>>19124209
I'm sure that Hell is "aesthetic" and "exciting".

[Anonymous No.19124359]

>>19124209
It sounds like the real problem is that your parents don't have enough books.

[Anonymous No.19124416]

>>19124359
Why have you saved my shelf?

[Anonymous No.19124457]

Europe and the Faith, The Great Heresies, and Crusades: The World’s Debate. All by Hilaire Belloc.

[Anonymous No.19124565]

>>19124359
To help you worship your idols.

[Anonymous No.19124569]

>>19124416
>>19124565

[Anonymous No.19124608]

>>19124319
I will always speak the Truth. There is only one Church, The Eastern Orthodox Church, and salvation cannot be found outside of it. That said, we don't need cultural converts.

[Anonymous No.19124610]

>>19124569
>t. Pastor Jim of First Baptist Church of Mum's Basement

[Anonymous No.19124655]

>>19124238
As you can see, some anti-catholics are already filling you with lies and confussion. I would recommend for you to ask a catholic priest or see more of the doctrines of catholicism and the rules they follow in official catholic sites.
>>19124265
>PURE LUDO even
What a bad joke
"ludo" will never surpass kino and forever will remain a /v/ tier word

[Anonymous No.19124747]

>>19124655
>I would recommend for you to ask a catholic priest
This, just hit them up on Grindr.

[Anonymous No.19124833]

>>19124747
Originality is not your forte, right?

[Anonymous No.19124898]

>>19124833
>truth hurts

[Anonymous No.19124902]

>>19124898
What truth, you were making a lousy joke and now you are acting as if you were saying something with merit.

[Anonymous No.19124918]

>>19124902
>seething

[Anonymous No.19124922]

>>19124918
See >>19124833

[Anonymous No.19124937]

>>19124209
you are a child

[Anonymous No.19124966]

>>19124922
>coping

[Anonymous No.19124969]

>>19124966
See again >>19124922

[Anonymous No.19124971]

>>19124209
Read the Catholic mystics if you're in it for the aesthetics. Particularly the Spanish mystics and the Desert Fathers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_mystics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desert_Fathers

[Anonymous No.19124982]

>>19124969

[Anonymous No.19124985]

>>19124982
Not meme tier reply this time?
See again>>19124969

[Anonymous No.19124999]

>>19124359
>All those books
>No Veggie Tales VHS/DVDs
This person is going to hell

[Anonymous No.19125094]

Pretty sure I've seen this exact same b8 in the exact same format before.

t. traditional catholic

[Anonymous No.19125186]

>>19124999
I have them boxed away for when I have a dozen kids with my tradwife.

[Anonymous No.19125770]

>>19124416
>>19124359
Yo whats your discord again, I closed our old dm and cant find your tag anymore

[Anonymous No.19125785]

>>19125770
I've never talked to anyone from 4chinz on Discord.

[Anonymous No.19125789]

>>19125785
Yeah you have, you just never knew I went on lit. Remember the winchester church recommendation you gave? That should be enough for you to remember me

[Anonymous No.19125823]

>>19125789
Anon. I'm being completely honest. You must have been talking to someone else, I was probably in some thread where someone gave you their handle. I've only ever used Discord to talk to people I used to play games with. I've never discussed Christianity once on Discord.

[Anonymous No.19125829]

>>19125823
Damn, I might have then. You should know that there is someone wandering around Christian discord who is exactly identical to you in your love and devotion to Ryle, books and all

[Anonymous No.19125858]

>>19125829
That makes me happy. The more Ryle scholars the better. Have a rare Ryle.

Any good Christian discord servers anyway?

[Anonymous No.19125864]

>>19125770
I merely hijacked the photo of his idols and have never been on Discord at all, as I am not transsexual.

[Anonymous No.19125870]

>>19125858
Most are populated by trivial drama or empty polemic, you sometimes find gems but they are far and few in between. You'll have to dig hard, and inquire all to find those worthy to even discuss theology with

[Anonymous No.19125871]

OP posts this every week. It's bait.

[Anonymous No.19125875]

>>19124209
*Tips fedora*

[Anonymous No.19125883]

>>19125823
Why do you need that man to tell you that when John said it far better in his epistles? In fact, he didn't say to be careful not to love the world *more*, he said to outright not love the world or the things in it. All you need to do is to put a lot of wear on that pristine Cambridge. Burn everything else but the ESV Study Bible for occasional reference insights.

[Anonymous No.19125928]

>>19125883
Why are you so upset that people read books authored by people that labored for the Lord all their lives?

[Anonymous No.19125954]

>>19125883
Also I didn't make the pic. Personally I'd have chosen a different quote. If you want it in context you will find it at the end of this very short exposition of Matthew 8:28-34. https://ccel.org/ccel/ryle/matthew/matthew.ix.iii.html

Now go and tell me all the faults you find with it.

[Anonymous No.19125971]

>>19125928
I'm not "upset", I'm trying to help (You) to see the danger that you are putting yourself in. Right there you have quoted a man who is telling you to be cautious that you don't love the world more than Jesus. Yet the man who was probably Jesus' closest personal friend while He was human in earth tells you to absolutely not love the world, at all. And not only are you endangering yourself by intaking such false notions and thinking it "good stuff", but you are spreading it around to others who might think "oooo, look how based, I like that".

Until you've read the Holy Bible to the point of having it completely internalized, reading anything else beyond some things like historical/cultural context references and explanations of symbolism is extremely dangerous, and in fact in and of itself says "the Holy Bible isn't enough for me".

[Anonymous No.19125995]

>>19124217
kill your self
>>19124209
listen to bach, convert to lutheranism

[Anonymous No.19126003]

>>19125971
You don't know anything about me. You are just making a bunch of assumptions about my knowledge so you can act smug on anonymous imageboard.

[Anonymous No.19126061]

>>19126003
>You don't know anything about me.
I know that:
* (You) post that photo of your shelf several times per week. I'm sure you get a nice hit of dopamine every time someone comments "based" (or even "holy based" as I saw a couple of days ago).
* (You) posted that meme so obviously consider it to be a "great quote".
* Your Holy Bible and even Study Bible are in pristine condition as if they are show pieces rather than actually read with any degree of dedication, certainly not to the levels of dedication you invest into the study of Protestant "heroes".
So I wouldn't say that I don't know *anything* about (You), as that is a fairly substantial amount. I do, however, admire that you put that attention into Biblical things rather than standard worldly celebrities, sports figures, and such. I think you are onto an excellent track, but in need of a bit of loving error correction from very serious danger potentials.

[Anonymous No.19126080]

>>19124209
What sort of mass services have you attended so far?

[Anonymous No.19126095]

this book has a ton of trad legalistic wankery if you’re interested in that sort of thing

[Anonymous No.19126130]

>>19126061
Firstly, that shelf is massively downsized. I had hundreds of volumes of Reformed and Puritan literature that I've offloaded. I suffered from a sort of "book righteousness" for a long time. The ones I kept are the ones I read that have actually helped me and I know will be of use to others.

Secondly, I've said I didn't make the meme. I gave you a link to go see the quote in context.

Thirdly those particular bibles are new. I've own a great many more. I used to have lots of Cambridge, R.L. Allan, and Church Bible Publisher bibles. All of them premium bibles. See again the "book righteousness" problem I had. I've since given away or sold all that I could and kept one, the KJV Clarion you see there.

Fourthly I've read the bible in it's entirety several times, particularly in the KJV translation with the Psalms a great deal more in the Coverdale translation. I'm the only person in my family that has read the Bible in its entirety and it pains me greatly. I've done much to try to get my parents to read the bible, but although they go to church every Sunday they still do not. Scripture is my only rule for faith and life and the authors who I kept would agree with that statement 100%. I do not agree with everything they each wrote.

[Anonymous No.19126228]

>>19126130
Well ok then, all cured it seems! I am certain that my own sin is far, far deeper, longer, wider. Keep a vigilant inward eye. Let us pray for one another, sincerely. I especially hope that your love for God is able to spill over to others and reach them.

[Anonymous No.19126341]

>>19124359
>Knots United
Sounds like gay furry porn anon.

[Anonymous No.19126457]

>>19126341
Weird that your mind is thusly oriented. I do not know to what it actually refers, but it causes me to think of Celtic knot work, and the notion of the Body of Christ being united through threads weaved invisibly throughout humanity without requiring any overtly obvious surface connection (such as a particular state registered institution). That we, members, are all such despite perhaps each being isolated apart from each other in the conventional sense. There could, in given church building, in fact be only 1 actual member, 3 in another, 40 in some, etc., yet all of them united via the "knot work" into the Body of Christ. Again, however, I have no idea to what that book might actually refer, but it certainly doesn't invoke "furry porn". "...be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind..."

[Anonymous No.19126495]

>>19126228
I would still like to hear what you make of this exposition.
https://ccel.org/ccel/ryle/matthew/matthew.ix.iii.html

>>19126457
It's simply about doctrinal disputes within 19th century Anglicanism. Still a very practical work that I've gleaned a lot of good information from. Pic related.

[Anonymous No.19126583]

>>19126495
>simply about doctrinal disputes within 19th century Anglicanis
I greatly prefer my own impression.
>what you make of this exposition
0.0
I can't express the details of my inner experience of impressions/thoughts succinctly, other than that I found his putting of the Gergesenes' reaction to be particularly powerful. I am definitely grateful for having read that, bless you.

[Anonymous No.19126651]

>>19126583
Are you still the same anon I've been speaking with this whole time? Now that you see the quote from the meme in this short exposition do you still find it not good?

[Anonymous No.19126704]

>>19126651
Yes, same. As for the quote itself, I grant that it is much better contextually there than as a stand alone, and either way still quite seriously neutered when compared to "Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.". Ryle essentially says there that it's perfectly OK to love the world but not more than you love Christ. This is Babylon, and while I pray for its wellbeing, per God's command via Jeremiah, I personally despise it, on the whole. Perhaps this Ryle fellow was far too reserved and cautious to express, or even clearly see, I don't know. At any rate, I definitely value certain aspects that he stimulated within my awareness regarding the Gergesene incident and I do not doubt that he has said many, many more things of some worth. It is truly dangerous, reading the words of men outside of Scripture.

[Anonymous No.19126714]

>>19124209
>TRADCATH is BASED and KINO
lifelong devout Catholic here, dude you're falling for a meme. just convert first and understand how the church functions and what the theology is before diving into "MUH BASEDNESS" or else it'll just be a phase you grow out of.

[Anonymous No.19126720]

>>19124209
>"""tradition"""
>from the council of trent 1563
>internalised protestantism that killed everything that made catholicism great

[Anonymous No.19126725]

>he isn't an outspoken modernist Teilhardian Ecumenist
Get with the TIMES

[Anonymous No.19126758]

Someone needs to tell /lit/ that the trad cath 4chan poster meme already ended.

[Anonymous No.19126772]

>>19126758
>the trad cath 4chan poster meme already ended
Nig plz

[Anonymous No.19126777]

>>19126704
I don't think that was his intention, just a mistake on his part. He was just a man. He was far from reserved however.

A small extract from his preface on his commentary on John.

>“I SEND forth the volume now in the reader’s hands, with much diffidence, and a very deep sense of responsibility. It is no light matter to publish an exposition of any book in the Bible. It is a peculiarly serious undertaking to attempt a Commentary on the Gospel of St. John.

>I do not forget that we are all apt to exaggerate the difficulties of our own particular department of literary labour. But I think every intelligent student of Scripture will bear me out when I say, that St. John’s Gospel is pre-eminently full of things “hard to be understood.” (2 Pet. iii. 16.) It contains a large portion of our Lord Jesus Christ’s doctrinal teaching. It abounds in “deep things of God,” and “sayings of the King,” which we feel instinctively we have no line to fully fathom, no mind to fully comprehend, no words to fully explain. It must needs be that such a book of Scripture should be difficult. I can truly say that I have commented on many a verse in this Gospel with fear and trembling. I have often said to myself, “Who is sufficient for these things?”—“The place whereon thou standest is holy ground.” (2 Cor. ii. 16; Exod. iii. 5.)

>The theological standpoint which the writer of this Commentary occupies will be obvious to any intelligent reader. Such an one will see at a glance that I belong to that school in the Church of England which, rightly or wrongly, is called, “Evangelical.” He will see that I have no sympathy whatever with either Romish or Neologian tendencies. He will see that I hold firmly the distinctive theological views of the Reformers and doctrinal Puritans, and that I totally disapprove the loose and broad theology of some modern schools of divines.—But while I say all this, I must be allowed to add, that in interpreting Scripture, I “call no man master or father.” I abhor the idea of wresting and warping God’s Word in order to make it support party views. Throughout this Commentary I have endeavoured honestly and conscientiously to find out the real meaning of every sentence on which I have commented. I have evaded no difficulty, and shrunk from no inference. I have simply followed Scripture wherever its words seemed to point, and accepted whatever they seemed to mean. I have never hesitated to express my disagreement from the views of other commentators if occasion required; but when I have done so I have tried to do it with courtesy and respect.”

[Anonymous No.19126819]

>>19124209
I'm a biritualist, I attend both ordinary form and extraordinary form masses, and am somewhat familiar with both of these communities and let me just start by telling you, if you aren't baiting, there is very little in the way of good literature when it comes to contemporary traditionalist Catholicism.

I'm partial to the extraordinary form myself, don't get me wrong, however, the traditionalist movement is overrun by lay grifters that quite literally profit off of panic, bless their souls, Taylor Marshall being a prime example though there are many more. Traditionalist and conservative clergy aren't so bad, especially those who are engaged in active conversation with the rest of the Church (Cardinal Robert Sarah, for example, actually has some good written works, look up his bibliography and just pick something that looks interesting), but even then you find many who are actively in a state of prideful disobedience towards their bishops or the Pope himself. That's not to say that disobedience is bad 100% of the time, but it's something that must be approached with extreme prudence.

If you insist on traditionalism, I would recommend the following course of action
1. Pray about it, strongly, every day. Pray the rosary. Ask for the aid of the Holy Spirit. Examine your conscience. Ask yourself if you want to convert because its epic and based and trad and aesthetic or if you want to convert because you believe in the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Read scripture. Read the church fathers, the documents of the councils, the works of saints, etc. (this should be done while you're doing the rest of these steps).
2. Find an FSSP, ICKSP, or diocesan latin mass near you and attend it. Please don't take communion if you aren't received into the church. I cannot in good conscience recommend SSPX, I do have a lot of respect for Abp. Lefebrve, though. Stay FAR away from SSPV, CMRI, and independent tradcath churches.
3. Feel the place out, talk to the priest, get to know the people there. The priest may have some good recommendations, he may not, that's up to you to figure out, God granted you with the gift of intellect, so use it.
4. This is optional but I strongly recommend it -- attend an ordinary form mass, there's a website called "reverent catholic mass" or something to that effect to help you find them in your area. Attend one, you may be surprised, you may like it.
5. Keep doing step 1, for the love of God, and begin the formal faith formation process. If you were baptized in the trinitarian formula all you need to do is confirmation, confession, and first communion. If you weren't baptized you need to get baptized. There's more to it but the RCIA director will explain it to you.

Really do make an effort to get involved in your church community. I'm pretty spergy so this is not something I did initially and I deeply regret it. God bless you.

[Anonymous No.19126820]

>>19126777
Checked, I do appreciate his expressed stance here.

[Anonymous No.19126828]

>>19126819
Oh, another thing, the works of Cardinal Ratzinger, later Benedict XVI, and his journal communio, are invaluable to the conservative position in the post-concilar church.

[Anonymous No.19126915]

>>19126819
You seem quite knowledgeable. What do you think of Bishop Barron? And what do you think of Most Holy Family Monestary / the Dimond brothers / vaticancatholic.com
Just curious

Also, where can I get a rosary? I had a conversation with a priest when I first went to mass last week, but it was outside the church so I didn’t want to make him run inside and get one (if he had one to give me) because there were other people waiting to talk with him. Do they sell them at specialty stores or something? I guess I could just get one online…

[Anonymous No.19126954]

>>19126915
I'm not super knowledgeable by any means, I was only baptized this year, so take what I say with a grain of salt, I'm wrong sometimes.

I think Bishop Barron is okay. I like listening to his homilies and his podcast occasionally. He's kind of pedestrian for my tastes, but I find that he rarely dilutes doctrine for the sake of simplicity, which I like. I'm not a super big fan of the Jordan Peterson/Sohrab Ahmari stuff he's been up to lately, but he has a ministry he's trying to run and that kind of stuff brings in ad revenue.

The Dimond Brothers are just terrible. I have no doubt they're doing what they're doing out of a love of God (they operate out of a literal trailer from what I can recall and live in poverty), but they're deeply misguided, and rely on very bizarre and misguided interpretations of scripture to uphold their views (they don't even believe in baptism by desire; if you were to follow their teaching on this you would believe that the penitent thief is in hell). Honestly they're the most extreme sedevacantists I've ever seen, its baffling to me they have such a huge following on youtube.

As far as rosaries, there are specialty shops that sell them, if you look up "catholic store" you'll find one near you (if you live in an area with a lot catholics at least). I'm sure a priest would be happy to give you one as well if you're willing to wait around after mass. Wouldn't shock me if he had an extra one on him.

[Anonymous No.19126981]

>>19126954
Behold, a Catholic has just said:
>they're deeply misguided, and rely on very bizarre and misguided interpretations of scripture to uphold their views
about some other Catholics...

[Anonymous No.19127038]

>>19126954
> rely on very bizarre and misguided interpretations of scripture to uphold their views
This was what I thought when watching their videos, but I don’t really have a solid enough understanding of biblical hermeneutics to solidly refute any of their claims. I was asking because I’m in a group chat with a guy who is really into them and keeps urging everyone to watch their “third secret of fatima” video. He thinks John Paul II is the antichrist. And I’m not using “antichrist” as just a figure of speech. But my understanding is that John Paul II is generally highly favored among Catholics, right?

Anyways, I’d ask what Catholic podcasts you might recommend, but honestly I’m trying to limit my podcasting and internet surfing because it seems like it’s deeply stunting my spiritual development. Hopefully Cardinal Robert Sarah’s book The Power of Silence can help me with that. I’ll pick up a copy tomorrow from my local library.

And, whatever, this is sort of unrelated… but it’s something I at least want to share. I hope that Jesus can teach me how to love because sometimes it feels like I’ve forgotten. I’m looking forward to getting involved with my church community if I can overcome this fear and shame. I’ll pray for it.

[Anonymous No.19127152]

>>19124248
based smugposter

[Anonymous No.19127253]

>>19124209
You know what's even more aesthetic? Roman art. You'd realize that if you weren't brainwashed by your kiddy diddling priest
>durr the empire was Christian
Lel

[Anonymous No.19127646]

>>19124217
This is literally all catholics thought process though. At least OP is honest that he is a retarded fag

[Anonymous No.19128015]

>>19127038
John Paul II is a canonized saint (though I think he was canonized too quickly) so Catholics generally have a favorable opinion of him. If there’s anything I’m not a huge fan of about him it’s that he turned the office of the pope in to a much more public affair, essentially making the papacy a celebrity office. Don’t know if that’s his fault, though, could be the advent of mass media.
I’ll pray for you brother in your intention as well. Peace.

[Anonymous No.19128459]

I'd suggest finding a church near you which offers the Traditional Latin Mass (aka "Mass in the Extraordinary Form" or the "Tridentine Mass"). Seek out a group like the ICKSP or FSSP, if possible. Go to Mass there and speak to a priest. I have found that any priest offering the Latin Mass is almost assuredly well versed in Church history and has a strong interest in Catholic literature.

Remember what Our Lord said:

"Behold, I am with you always, even until the end of time."

[Anonymous No.19129706]

https://www.fisheaters.com/catholiclibrary.html
https://iteadthomam.blogspot.com/

[Anonymous No.19130741]

>>19124209
>tfw the Traditional Latin Mass is younger than the Protestant Reformation
BEGOME

[Anonymous No.19131149]

>>19130741
No, try again