/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.19119462]

Now that literature and film are dying as art mediums, do you think a new medium will emerge out of the zoomers that'll be more attuned to their attention span and disposition?

[Anonymous No.19119478]

Yes. It will be primarily composed of posts on image sharing forums full of loaded pseudointellectual questions posed by insufferable homosexual morons.

[Anonymous No.19119479]

>>19119462
TikTok already exists. Just accept that short-form media will rule.

[Anonymous No.19119488]

>>19119479
Not tiktok. Something that'd be genuinely considered an art form

[Anonymous No.19119494]

painting

[Anonymous No.19119504]

>>19119462
video games

[Anonymous No.19119506]

>>19119462
Hopefully Jesus will return and put an end to all of this soon.

[Anonymous No.19119517]

>>19119488
Art is intersubjective, everything is art. Everything.

[Anonymous No.19119527]

>>19119494
No. I think it has to be something that can't be readily available literally everywhere. Films and literature flourished only without abundance of exposure.

[Anonymous No.19119537]

>>19119462
Postmodern art is characterized by intense and insuperable self-awareness. We can’t go back, so how do we go forward?

What if the psyche were to become a platform for experimentation? Not just via psychedelics but voluntary chaos magick self-hypnosis. We must experiment with our perception to create new art.

There are art forms not yet invented whose geniuses walk among us.

[Anonymous No.19119538]

>>19119462
>new medium
the only new medium that could emerge is some kind of mixed medium (virtual reality, psychosomatics etc..)
mixed medium in my personal taste are always inferior to pure mediums
fundamentally because within a medium itself one has the choice between plural or mono expressive qualities

[Anonymous No.19119552]

>>19119537
Neural prosthetics, bioart, cyborganic appendages…. Transhuman creative revolution.

[Anonymous No.19119560]

>>19119462
Literature won't die, only its form could change. The traditional novel format may fall out of fashion, getting replaced by a hybrid form of poetry and short prose.

[Anonymous No.19119562]

No, technology will just kill our attention spam and aesthetic literacy completely until people realize that this is really bad and start forcing themselves to consciously re-learn those things, which will by then represent a major challenge. It's similar to what happened to physical activity, technology gave us a sedentary lifestyle and now in order to stop it from killing you you have to exercise, which most people struggle with.

[Anonymous No.19119576]

>>19119562
>you have to exercise, which most people struggle with.
And it won't get better with time.

[Anonymous No.19119590]

>>19119538
Film is a mixed medium too. It's a hybrid of theatre, literature, photography, etc. I don't think that takes anything away from it.

[Anonymous No.19119613]

>>19119590
i was indoctrinated by a remnent of the Malkovich school of suprematism so Its hard for me too see film as anything but mostly extraneous elements

[Anonymous No.19119619]

>>19119462
>Now that literature and film are dying as art mediums
They aren't, though. Literature has been growing and changing - ebooks, audiobooks, arguably interactive fiction / VNs. Film is also simply transforming, and if anything the advent of a multitude of competing streaming services promises a new era of competition and content. In my provincial anglo country, local film industry is noticeably developing. Stop getting your opinions from doomers on 4chan.

>do you think a new medium will emerge out of the zoomers that'll be more attuned to their attention span and disposition?
No. You're just describing what already appears to exist - rich visual media like Instagram and TikTok. It would be foolish to extrapolate too much based on this. Short video as the basis of a social network was attempted at least once before, and it was equally obnoxious back then. It was just another social media niche that had not been captured already. Some people predict the emergence of a "Metaverse" - a term for the proliferation and ordering of VR/AR virtual worlds and experiences akin to the internet. But if anything these sorts of experiences are going to be the opposite of "le short attention span", because they will be highly immersive experiences that deliberately try to trap the attention of users.

[Anonymous No.19119633]

>>19119462
Internet art already exists and is filling this function, it's basically a multidisciplinary art combining visual arts, literature (flash fiction or nonfiction), music/sound art into one

[Anonymous No.19119642]

>>19119619
is the combination of being wordy and having absolutely nothing interesting to say common in your provincial anglo country

[Anonymous No.19119665]

>>19119619
By dying, I don't mean they'll gradually become irrelevant. The opposite, they'll continue to be made exponentially. And that's precisely why they're dying, not as a medium but as an ART medium.

[Anonymous No.19119690]

>>19119462
kek, I'm only in the thread because I like schneider TM. his new album was excellent

[Anonymous No.19119742]

No.

[//\༼ ººل͟ºº ༽/\\ !!kFmfLu9hDmX No.19119781]

>>19119488
The desire for art has disappeared progressively for generations. No one my age cares if something’s considered an art form. If they claim to care (like me) they’re playing an elaborate game of pretend.

[Anonymous No.19119795]

>>19119781
Very few people historically cared about muh art.

[//\༼ ººل͟ºº ༽/\\ !!kFmfLu9hDmX No.19119801]

>>19119795
Okay then. What I said still stands.

[Anonymous No.19119802]

>>19119462
Gifs, memes and greentext are the superior art forms. An evolution to the boring films, boring museum/gallery pieces and boring literature

[Anonymous No.19119812]

>>19119801
>The desire for art has disappeared progressively for generations
This statement doesn't

[Anonymous No.19119825]

>>19119462

Historically, publishers have avoided novellas because they're not as profitable.* Nowadays though, the novella form is supposed to be making somewhat of a comeback, exactly because of the lowered attention span of the market.

*Of course, from the business point of view, it doesn't matter if the consumer actually reads a given book or not, as long as they buy a copy.

[Anonymous No.19119836]

>>19119462
theocracy and being part of the BOook.

[Anonymous No.19120130]

>>19119642
>is the combination of being wordy and having absolutely nothing interesting to say common in your provincial anglo country
Congratulations, you just made an even less interesting post than me.

>>19119665
>By dying, I don't mean they'll gradually become irrelevant. The opposite, they'll continue to be made exponentially. And that's precisely why they're dying, not as a medium but as an ART medium.
Okay, and what does this actually mean? Because it sounds like you're just positioning to shift the goal posts with some arcane definition of "art medium". How are literature and film dying as art mediums?

[Anonymous No.19120202]

>>19119462
>>19119488
mechatronic touch toys and puppetry

give it 10-20 years for mainstream adoption

[Anonymous No.19120217]

>>19119462
Memes are the only form of cultural vitality that's emerged over the last decade.
Yes I do mean garden variety image posts.

[//\༼ ººل͟ºº ༽/\\ !!kFmfLu9hDmX No.19120242]

>>19119812
Not many people have ever cared about it, and now fewer people do. This decrease occurred gradually over time.

[Anonymous No.19120257]

>>19120202
>mechatronic touch toys and puppetry
also, this idea isn't just for adults, could really be anything. Certain kinds of programmers will be seen as artists in the future - GPT-3 is arguably already an artistic endeavor

[Anonymous No.19120259]

>>19119478
So fag anons who are actually pseuds will make stupid questions on 4chan’s /lit/ board?

Kek

[Anonymous No.19120270]

>>19120202
>>19120257
You implied it without saying it, but AI will be an artform in the future, alongside robotics

[Anonymous No.19120280]

I've given some thought to how Zoomers and modern readers in general might be approached. One thing I've thought of, more than once, is that maybe the future is serialized fiction. Think about it. When Zoomers DO read, what do they read? They read manga, they read fanfiction, and they read light novels. All of these are serialized fiction. They are released a chapter/segment at a time, drawn out over the course of weeks and months. Each chapter gets some "space" between the one before it and the one after it, so Zoomers don't feel intimidated by having to read a huge amount of text at once. It's easier on their limited attention span. Additionally, they can leave comments on each individual chapter/section, which increases the interactive element of the story, which they like.

I think serialized fiction may be the way to reach modern readers. It's not even new or novel, either; Tolstoy, Dickens, and countless other great writers released their work in serialzed format. The Pickwick Papers first showed up in newspapers as a serial. So did War & Peace. They were huge hits, with audiences eagerly waiting on each new chapter. Maybe something similar can happen in the digital age.

[Anonymous No.19120288]

>>19120130
>moving goalposts
I literally said 'art' medium on OP itself you tool.
Exponential increase in production decreases the value of the 'art' factor. Abundance of content means less eyeballs or focus on individual work. If new content is thrown at people's faces every minute, genuine works of art become indistinguishable from regular content, and even if something stands out, it's only memorable until the next content hits their faces in the next minute.

[Anonymous No.19120328]

>>19120202

[Anonymous No.19120682]

>>19119462
Vidya. Rise up gamer

[Anonymous No.19120690]

>>19119462
vlogging, tik tok etc.

[Anonymous No.19120699]

>>19119488
It is an art form, ever since modernism unified art and life the goal of art is the aesthetic experience of each other. Same reason why you say you read certain books

[Anonymous No.19120713]

>>19119537
That already existed, it's called surrealism. This is why there is "no great art" anymore, no one knows its history

[Anonymous No.19120722]

>>19119538
virtual reality is aesthetically bankrupt. there is no future of art in 'immersion'

[Anonymous No.19120728]

>>19119562
That technology and its software is designed... that is where the art is.

[Anonymous No.19120745]

>>19119619
>Short video as the basis of a social network was attempted at least once before

and it was successful. Now we have better tech and accessibility. "it's obnoxious" is the phrase you say when you don't have the capacity to reconcile new media within the constraints of a limited understanding of aesthetics

[Anonymous No.19120753]

>>19119633
"Internet art" just mimics actual internet experience from 30 years ago. what a profound genre!

[Anonymous No.19120767]

>>19119504
>>19120682
Surprised how few people have said video games, but I agree

[Anonymous No.19120769]

>>19119781
No, it just doesn't resemble whatever 19th century theory you have of it

[Anonymous No.19120787]

>>19120767
video games are already on the way out. esports and speedrunning were the peak but designers are too concerned with balance and fairness for them ever to be effective

[Anonymous No.19120801]

>>19120745
>the rageful tiktok zoomer rises to defend his dance clips
I submit... Your superior understanding of aesthetics shames me.

[Anonymous No.19120821]

>>19120801
Thanks :)

[Anonymous No.19120832]

>>19120787
Shooters and classic strategy games hit a nice peak, but I still think there's a lot of room for the art side of gaming to grow

[Anonymous No.19120834]

One thing I feel like people have not accounted for is that consuming art in different media just feels different. I'm sure we all have read enough books to take this into account. There's a sensation, a sense, that comes from reading poetry and prose that can't be replicated, that isn't the same as watching a video or posting on social media. I think it's impossible to truly replace poetry and prose, and I think they'll always be around, simply because they do things to the brain that no other form of art does.

[Anonymous No.19120836]

>>19119488
TikTok and Vines are artforms
Also, Youtube videos

[Anonymous No.19120869]

>>19119462
its video games

you know its true.

[//\༼ ººل͟ºº ༽/\\ !!kFmfLu9hDmX No.19120947]

>>19120769
What does it resemble?

[Anonymous No.19120996]

>>19119613
you spelled remnant wrong while you were being pedantic fyi

[Anonymous No.19121003]

>>19119538
i mean, if we just compare film and literature, i would argue that literature is superior to film.

[Anonymous No.19121050]

>>19120869
Sex with Mitsuru.

[Anonymous No.19121113]

>>19120328
Pornography is not art

[Anonymous No.19121301]

>>19121113
It can be.

[Anonymous No.19121489]

>>19120280
This is already a thing in china

[Anonymous No.19121542]

>>19121489
Source? Im interested

[Anonymous No.19122275]

>>19120280
There's a truth to this. Notice that the some of the most celebrated brands in our time is serialised. Game of thrones, breaking bad, etc.

[Anonymous No.19122287]

>>19120280
I agree with this anon. The internet revolutionized serialized fiction.

[Anonymous No.19122401]

>>19119488
You lack imagination.

[Anonymous No.19122413]

>>19119488
Your retarded zoomer peers think all their stupid dances and stupid videos constitutes art. Stop coping already.

[Anonymous No.19122423]

>>19120280
> Think about it. When Zoomers DO read, what do they read? They read manga, they read fanfiction, and they read light novels.
Because they’re all legitimately retarded.