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19112746 No.19112746 [Reply] [Original]

Okay, /lit/, what's the consensus on James Joyce?

>> No.19112749

basado

>> No.19112820

>>19112746
He’s great, only contrarians or people with a political axe to grind will say otherwise

>> No.19112832

>>19112820
What political ax is anti-Joyce?

>> No.19112947

>>19112746
Finnegan's Wake falls below the level of what could be considered human communication. He was good up to that point. Then, he crawled up his own ass and died.

>> No.19112950

>>19112947
>falls below
Rises above.

>> No.19112975

>>19112950
Doesn't matter. If it fails to communicate, it was a waste of the author's time. It's a nice puzzle book, and there are many websites devoted to helping people decipher it. But it isn't art. It isn't even communication.

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>>19112746
BTFO'd by Lukacs
http://criticaltheoryindex.org/assets/RealismintheBalance---Lukacs-Georg.pdf

>> No.19112991

>>19112975
>>19112947
What part gave you trouble?

>> No.19113013

>>19112832
Just the fact that he’s a white male “genius” and is an avatar of the traditional notion of canonicity. Concepts that are not in fashion these days.
The content of his writing itself is pretty apolitical and rarely upsets people.

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>>19112988
Lol how would this be a btfo? Lukács would have been crawling past grand climacteric around when Ulysses was unfolding academically—if you knew the history of it, you'd lol at this marxoid dumbass. Same goes for FW, which is still going through the unravelling process.

Also this moron's take on "realism" fucking KEK I wonder if you take that quotepic seriously wew

I will lay it out for you if you're too stupid to see what's wrong there

>> No.19113031

>>19112988
The idea that something a "broad mass of people" enjoys is better for that reason, is retarded. Broad masses enjoy soap operas and Marvel movies, end of argument.

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>>19113015
*detonates your pretensions*
1/2

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>>19113205
2/3

>>19113031
You're misreading it, it's not a question of the taste or aesthetic sense of the masses for literature, but of the purpose of literature for individuals and society.

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>>19113230
3/3

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>>19113205
>>19113230
>>19113234
Kek you have a nice sense of humor

It should give everyone hope that filteredfags like this can get crap in print. People were asleep at the controls and the still are =^)

>> No.19113804

>>19112746
Ask me about Joyce, James Joyce.

>> No.19114907

>>19112746
Did he really write that? Based.

>> No.19116434

>>19114907
broooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

>> No.19116580

>>19112975
For a book whose purpose is to transcend language, I'd say it's done a fine job.

>> No.19116609

>>19113314
TLP enjoyers should be autistic and smelly.

>> No.19116626

>>19112746
There are people on /lit/ who get very, very offended at the mere mention of him and I don't know why
Like, look at how many people get fucking furious at the IDEA of finnegans wake. It's uncanny

>> No.19116871

>>19116626
I think these are people who were filtered. And you can be filtered before even reading it. Then you can get filtered during the first read through. I don't think anyone gets filtered when they do the full on what should I be visualizing read through, it's too compelling at that point (and why it's considered a masterpiece). Not many people get to that point, understandably. I think you have to get sucked into it somehow.

>> No.19117103

>>19116871
What you mean by "the full on what should I be visualizing read through"? Just immersing yourself in it and allowing the words to stimulate images as you read?

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>>19117103
I was trying to avoid saying "going through all the references" which includes old photographs of things that are no longer in Dublin.

This turns a lot of people off.

The novel was written in a way that it comes into full force when it's reconstructed. Ulysses builds the mind that creates Ulysses. I imagine it's the same for FW

>> No.19117274

Still the greatest stylist of the English language, 100 years later