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[Anonymous No.19111873]

What is traditionalism and will it help me become less spiritually bankrupt?

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.19111893]

It’s a propaganda term for rightwingers and reactionaries to control the simple folk.

Do the oldest traditions interest you or just the modernist traditions?
This book give you some perspective.

[Anonymous No.19111908]

>>19111873
It's wasting your time instead of reading Henry James.
It will make you spiritually retarded.

[Anonymous No.19111909]

>>19111873
It is a symptom of being spiritually bankrupt

[Anonymous No.19111914]

>>19111908
Should also read William James while you're at it

[Anonymous No.19112046]

>>19111893
>the simple folk.
what an actual retard, read herodotus and the presocratics and then hang yourself

[Anonymous No.19112346]

>>19111914
>Should also read William James
BTFO by Rene Guenon (pbuh)

In Guénon’s view, however, as he expresses it in his keynote Crisis of the Modern World (1927) Jamesian pragmatism merely exemplifies the modern tendency to emphasize action over contemplation and instrumentality over knowledge. Guenon remarks how under the Protestant dispensation religion descends towards two privative states, “moralism” and “sentimentality,” until it dwindles down to jejune “religiosity.” Guénon writes: “To this final stage [of dispirited religion] correspond theories such as that of the ‘religious experience’ of William James, which goes to the point of finding in the ‘subconscious’ man’s means of entering into communication with the divine”; thus “a limited God [of subjective rather than transcendental experience] is stipulated as being more ‘advantageous’ than an infinite God.

[Anonymous No.19112357]

>spiritually bankrupt

Nonsense on stilts.

[Anonymous No.19112382]

>>19111893
I swear to god I will find where you live and rape you

[Anonymous No.19112437]

>>19112346
No one cares

[Anonymous No.19112440]

>>19111893
those who reject traditionalism are triggered modernists

[Anonymous No.19112445]

>>19112440
>traditionalism
Is this another LARP, where disenfranchised youth clings onto some ideology (the more opposite of the status quo the better)? And by ideology, it never manifests beyond reading books, and yelling at people on the internet?

[Anonymous No.19112474]

>>19112440
Traditionalism IS modernism with their gross oversimplifications and pseudry.

[Anonymous No.19112490]

>>19112346
so is guenon denying here that religious experiences are possible, or what? wouldn't that retroactively refute his entire hashish sniffing project of being initiated? the pragmatic view here is totally correct; your opposing conception of a transcendent god is meaningless to someone who claims to have personal experience of god. all of you crypto-thomists never integrated anything past the middle ages into your view of the world hence your proclivity to make bizzare otherworldly statements and get all huffy when no cares since you're just taking your personal opinion or valuation and blowing it up into absolute cosmogenic reality

[Anonymous No.19112502]

>>19112445
Apparently its final form is marian autogynephilia judging from a thread yesterday about twitter transtradcaths/ortho

[Anonymous No.19112505]

>>19112445
>>19112474
>>19112357
Yes we get it zoomzoom, you want to disassociate and criticize ideology and identifying with them because you are so objective and logical, not needing to cling to any spooks cause you're so smart. You can't escape ideology. If you try to, you'll be left as an empty soulless vessel of rotting flesh. KYS bug. Being radically reactionary is the only reasonable type of ideology to this filthy degenerate world, lacking of any virility. Traditionalism, perennialism etc, are good alternatives to modern cuckery.

[Anonymous No.19112521]

>>19112505
>kys bug
he says, as he follows an ideology with no material ground in his immediate world. You wrote all that, to out yourself as the bugman. Yes, now go read some more!!! Maybe you'll find another ideology that's gonna explain away all your woes, and you'll get to call more people on the internet idiots for not agreeing with you. The irony here is fucking palpable. So now. Go ahead. Answer my question. How does traditionalism manifest? Tell me? If you feel this strong about it, surely it goes beyond the internet and words on a page?

[Anonymous No.19112531]

>>19112521
He can go be trad right now but he won't fly out to Kabul due to racism, etc.

[Anonymous No.19112534]

>>19112505
Oh look a 4chan degenerate who is yelling at strangers to kill themselves is a moaning about muh fitlhy degenerate world and being an empty soulless vessel of rotting flesh.

Go buy an ounce of self awareness from somewhere

[Anonymous No.19112544]

>>19111873
>spiritually bankrupt
Spirit only comes from being alive. You become alive through meaningful, real, long-term, and emotionally valid engagement with others
Not by trying to buy it in a can

[Anonymous No.19112567]

>>19112521
>muh materialism
The bugman outs himself. It manifests in my spirit, midwit. Tradition manifests through me out into the world. Your braindead secular ideology only leads to ruin, which you ironically subscribe out of fear of being "wrong" about anything, just like the pathetic modern academic who says and accomplishes nothing of importance. You will rot from the inside while traditionalists at least try to preserve a flame of pride, love, and virility and will spread this flame to all I care about and especially my family.

Go back to fapping to trannys, faggot

[Anonymous No.19112576]

>>19111893
You are the simple folk

[Anonymous No.19112585]

>>19112531
Yes, he can fucking go be trad. And that trad won't be him moving halfway around the world, to be surrounded by people he doesn't know, to follow some God he only read about on a few wikis and /lit/ books. Which is what always happens when you develop your belief system after failing at life, in whatever capacity. Generally people that fail socially, tend to isolate themself with ideology. Which is why the western anons are so angry at Christianity and try to escape it, to some far away religion where surely they will not be losers anymore.
Now all of this isn't me trying to discredit traditionalism in any case. Just fucking tired of LARPers getting real angry at people in lack of any of their own arguments. Be it tradlarpers, tradcatch larpers (who are very eager to justify why they don't go to Church or perform Christian rites). It's all about self-isolation. And whatever results from this, is useless, and such followers are useless to anyone else in their own ideology.

[Anonymous No.19112586]

>>19112534
your reply is a reaction of your degenerate insecurities. Looks like the virtue and noble ideals of traditionalism hits a chord in you, tranny

[Anonymous No.19112588]

>>19112586
>virtue and noble ideals of traditionalism
kek

[Anonymous No.19112607]

>>19112585
>everyone who has a form of religious belief are just LARPers cause I can't fathom having any faith in anything divine whatsoever. I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE AND STIRNER
I sense some hope in you though, one day when you face a personal crisis and see your godlessness and bottomless pit of despair you have created for yourself in your soul - you will be saved

[Anonymous No.19112624]

>>19111908
Why would any non-faggot read Henry James?

[Anonymous No.19112625]

>>19112607
>saved
There are always some who actually have enough backbone to face their crises without backsliding into childish fantasy escapism, cretin

[Anonymous No.19112627]

>>19111893
The oldest traditions do indeed interest me.

[Anonymous No.19112632]

>>19112588
Don't get the point in arguing with people who haven't read and understood an esoteric book in their life and can't fathom the idea of tradition beyond "muh chivalrous knights or barbaric vikings". You can only understand ideas on a material level, it's laughable

[Anonymous No.19112647]

>>19112625
You are literally alive because of some childish fantasy or some cope or another. Otherwise you would have killed yourself out of despair and endless pessimism. You think way too highly of yourself

[Anonymous No.19112652]

>>19112490
>so is guenon denying here that religious experiences are possible, or what?
No, he is saying that looking for God in the “sub-concious” leads to pseudoreligious experiences that has no relation to true mystic/metaphysical insight or realization.
>wouldn't that retroactively refute his entire hashish sniffing project of being initiated?
No, because he didn’t propose looking for God in one’s sub-concious, but rather he advocated following traditional methods
>the pragmatic view here is totally correct
No it’s not
>your opposing conception of a transcendent god is meaningless to someone who claims to have personal experience of god.
So? The truth is the truth, it doesn’t matter if people who are deluded find the truth meaningless, that’s their loss
>all of you crypto-thomists never integrated anything past the middle ages into your view of the world
Why should we? The truth remains the truth independent of historical circumstances

[Anonymous No.19112654]

>>19112567
>It manifests in my spirit, midwit
Oh yeah. Cool. So it stays in your room. Isolated from the world. Too bad you still use the internet, so other people have to read your bullshit.
>more cool internet words
Idk, sounds like they don't manifest in your spirit either. Sounds like you just read Evola, and thought he was very cool and edgy, and attached yourself to this ideology, that excuses why you're a nobody, and a loser (yes, even spiritually anyone on the internet can tell you're a loser).
>secular
Where did you get that? Did your schizo brain just make this amalgamation of anons in your head and projected it on me, in desperate hopes of being right? Nothing about me is secular. I'm a practicing Christian. Very likely your country's tradition for millennia. This means I talk to other people at Church, I practice rites that have been tradition in my space for two thousand years. Means I spend wholesome time with my family. If this is rotting because I didn't read someone's book, then so be it.
>You will rot from the inside while traditionalists at least try to preserve a flame of pride, love, and virility and will spread this flame to all I care about and especially my family.
Retard fuck. I bet you aren't allowed near children.
>Go back to fapping to trannys, faggot
What? Do I have to be some kind of degenerate to make you feel better? So fucking cringe, and if I bothered to have this argument with every retard larper on this board, we'd arrive to the same conclusion. Them getting really fucking mad, shoving all their internet phrases on to me, and never really show any of the virtues of their own ideology.

[Anonymous No.19112655]

>>19112586
Hyperreal virtue and noble ideas for retards who take pride in reading westernized secondary sources and gross oversimplifications. This shit is same as newageism but because it was written by edgelords so it must be true. There is so much divide between religions and their sects on the most fundamental level that I don't believe how someone could fall for this fad. It really signifies the spiritual bankruptcy of "traditionalists" and their distance from the generational practitioners of those "traditions".

[Anonymous No.19112668]

>>19112607
>godlessness
I'm not. Religious belief is practiced. It has to manifest in some ways. Either in how you interact with the world, or how you interact with the people around you. You finding the few ideologies where you don't have to call your old aunt Jemima and visit your grandparents is on you. But this gosh darn degeneracy sure is stopping you from that, isn't it.

[Anonymous No.19112670]

>>19112625
also you proved my point of just holding on to "logical" beliefs or whatever you want to call it (it's a paradox either way) because you want to fulfil some egoic fantasy of appearing clever and "above childish fantasies" - you are an intellectual LARPER who is in reality a simple midwit that believes in nothing and stands for nothing.

[Anonymous No.19112673]

>>19112652
>The truth remains the truth independent of historical circumstances
Ah yes good luck explicating "the truth" without recourse to historical circumstances. Gotta have the unpushed choo choo train in the sky push you along.

[Anonymous No.19112680]

>>19112670
You know nothing about me except that I ridiculed you for being immature
Talk to me when your balls drop

[Anonymous No.19112708]

>>19112654
>Oh yeah. Cool. So it stays in your room. Isolated from the world
I'm a husband and father, zoomzoom. Your pathetic imaginative abilities have been polluted by endless entertainment and technological brainwashing, that you can't fathom anything beyond your little fragile reality you have created for yourself, too scared to change.

>>19112655
It's metaphysical and strengthens the individual, not to be taken literally - but to be believed in and followed.

>>19112668
>religion
that is tradition and I support it. There isn't ONE TRUE tradition, but many that are used as an antidote to chaos and degeneracy - I support many forms. You just chose to call it an ideology which itself is a loose term
>You finding the few ideologies where you don't have to call your old aunt Jemima and visit your grandparents is on you. But this gosh darn degeneracy sure is stopping you from that, isn't it.
No degeneracy is stopping the world from being good and harmonic - I myself and those I care about are in good heath and in harmony with the divine order. Every day is a blessing.

[Anonymous No.19112718]

>>19112680
I know you are a tranny

[Anonymous No.19112720]

>>19112708
>It's metaphysical and strengthens the individual, not to be taken literally - but to be believed in and followed.
Newageism 101

[Anonymous No.19112728]

>>19112708
>zoomzoom
I'm a father of 3. So I guess right back at you.
>angry angry angry

[Anonymous No.19112765]

>>19112708
>to be believed in and followed.
seething thomist

[Anonymous No.19113128]

>>19111893
90% of us are simple folk that are controlled through fear and intimidation. So if that's the case with traditionalism too (it's not, only if you focus on the most degenerate and decadent outliers is that the case), then the only difference would be that the priests and warriors would be running things rather than the bankers and merchants.

[Anonymous No.19113872]

>>19111873

[Anonymous No.19113900]

>>19111873
Depends. If you adopt "traditionalism" as an ideology thats just another form of modernism. To actually embrace a living tradition is much different. I recommend the oldest living tradition, the oldest institution on earth, that one founded by our Saviour himself, God made man, Jesus of Nazareth, the Christ, the Way, the Truth, and the Life, who is glorified as it was in the beginning, as it is, and ever shall be, world without end. Amen.

[Anonymous No.19113959]

>>19111873
>What is traditionalism
Traditionalism has a capital T.

[Anonymous No.19113964]

>>19111873
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnnXKmGQ4nI
Watch this to understand. Traditionalism isnt 'return to monke' or whatever retarded polcunts think.

[Anonymous No.19114682]

>>19113964
No one on pol thinks that traditionalism is "return to monkey" you fucking lying niggerkike

[Anonymous No.19115344]

>>19112652
Holy btfo...

[Anonymous No.19115346]

>>19111873
What is it? A bunch of incels larping as gladiators
Will it help? Not at all

[Anonymous No.19115351]

>>19114682
Thats why I said "or whatever".

[Anonymous No.19115558]

>>19111893
>the simple folk
yes all the ungodly wealthy simple folk in LA and NYC, we must protect them at all cost

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.19115577]

>>19115558
It was a polite way to say the simple minded
You look like you want some equal time.
The political establishment on the pretend left use the term progress in a similar fashion to fool their flock.
Feel better?

[Anonymous No.19116198]

>>19115577
so who is the 'real' left? just you?

[Anonymous No.19116233]

>>19115558
ignoring the shirt. this is a hideously disgusting outfit. why is he dressing like a gay 17 year old? no one over the age of 16 should wear those shoes. those pants are cropped way too fucking high. just omg.

[Anonymous No.19116481]

>>19116233
He's probably in his 20s. If he shaved the basedbeard he'd look better.

[Anonymous No.19116514]

>>19116198
that which will never be a thing and is only an utopia

[Anonymous No.19116531]

>>19112505

[Anonymous No.19116549]

>>19111893
Women are so retarded bros

[Anonymous No.19116649]

>>19111893
Every thread, without fail, you just have to shit up with your low quality posts. Don't you have anything better to do?

[Anonymous No.19116666]

>>19111893
>It’s a propaganda term for rightwingers and reactionaries to control the simple folk.
Yes, the traditions that helped us survive are only about 'control'. Dumb bitch.

[Anonymous No.19116683]

>>19112534
lol this
Dude better be trolling, otherwise it's kind of sad.

[Anonymous No.19116687]

To me Traditionalism means doing pull-ups and not speaking to women.

[Anonymous No.19116806]

>>19111873
this may be a pessimistic reading of Evola, but if you take what he says seriously the conclusion for anyone reading today is that there is an overwhelming if not impossible chance for someone like us to come into contact with the Transcendent and that you should basically just live through life the best you can, die, and well who knows what happens after that...maybe you'll be born in a more spiritually fulfilling time. The worst and most prevalent reading of Evola I've seen on here is people taking all his claims about the age of decadence seriously and admitting we live in an age of soulless dissolution, but then also thinking they're some esoteric ubermench who's gonna do crazy magic or that some new religious movement will start or any other false hope of some Transcent values being bestowed onto them in their lifetimes. Don't get me wrong, you can read and apply the advice in RIde the Tiger in very practical ways to your own life, but as stated in the book, it should not be done with any hope of spiritual awakening or salvation from nihilism as a necessary outcome.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.19116923]

>>19116666
Read the book posted. It’s all about the survivors struggle

>>19116198
The general left are those that want free, especially those who want free of centralized authoritarians. Notice how you can see these types in both Democrats and Republicans? (Pardon if you’re not in the US, but it’s practically the same in most other countries too)