/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.19099312]

tl'dr how does it feel to be back in school bros?

I know a lot of you are at university now in the fall too. How are you holding up? I am so stressed out. Any book recommendations? I feel like I'm ruining it by being so nervous all the time when It isn't really so bad : S

[Anonymous No.19099556]

>>19099312
Jewniversity bros how do I find a /lit/ gf? Pic untelated

[Anonymous No.19099639]

>>19099312
I have an English teacher that is unironically in support of banning books because she read Kafka
Fuck community college

[Anonymous No.19099667]

>>19099312
Also read huckleberry finn.
Comfy adventures on a raft

[Anonymous No.19099668]

>>19099312
Are you guys even allowed to have parties and stuff because of meme virus

[Anonymous No.19099674]

>>19099639
What does Kafka have to do with banning books?

[Anonymous No.19099703]

>>19099674
She read the torture scene in The Penal Colony and didn't like it

[Anonymous No.19099709]

First year student here. I already feel like dropping out. I can't envisage how I can support this for the next 4 years.

[Anonymous No.19099725]

>>19099703
:|

[Anonymous No.19099731]

>>19099725
:|

[Anonymous No.19099734]

I hated college, killed all of my interest in reading for fun.

[Anonymous No.19099822]

>>19099312
>tl'dr how does it feel to be back in school bros?
Damn it feels good to be a postman and to never have to teach you little fucks again.
Yes I do know you're undergraduates.
Oh god its so good waking up at 3.30am instead of marking your papers.
It is so much better shitting in a common latrine simultaneously with 19 other men whose guts have synchronised like women claim their oestrus do, to actually do something productive in a group like emitting literal crap, instead of being in another staff meeting and having to listen to that guy go on and on about workloads knowing full well he isn't a union member.

Enjoy your hell, I am in paradise, forcing bourgeois panties into tight slots.

[Anonymous No.19099849]

>>19099822
I seem to remember some guy talking about becoming a post man in another thread. Was that you, anon?

[Anonymous No.19099900]

>>19099849
Its always me, but I am mythologising my own condition in an exploration of the possibility of the subject interfacing with salvation. Haven't decided if I feel more Great Russian or Whig Literary Apocalypse yet.

Here's a pro-tip for universities:
If you want to "make money" you need to network like fuck. Identify the children of the bourgeoisie an wedge your being into theirs so you can hoist yourself on their petards.
If you actually care about knowledge, wisdom, science or discipline: your undergraduate degree is teaching your how to write to formula. You need to be reading and writing 8-10 hours per week per subject. If you actually care about knowledge you need to set up a coffee or drinking crew who also care about knowledge, so that you can debate, for example, the History of Science canon works and their implications for disciplinarity in general; or, "how does methodology fall apart;" or, "why are sociology and literary criticism moribund shit fests where as anthropology and historiography still have some life in them?" You actually start doing real work in Au Honours, or US/UK Masters (yes I know US Masters is really Quals, but Quals is the first time you actually learn in your discipline.) You won't get a job with your PhD btw.

I recommend being a fully trained plumber before your Arts degree.

[Anonymous No.19101269]

my stupid History prof said that Marxism isn't relevant anymore. What a dumb bitch. Also why is History such a dumb subject? They don't even know how to use theory and just cobble together half-baked ideas that reflect the cultural logic of the time they live in.

[Anonymous No.19101285]

>>19101269
You'll want to get a "Quals" historiography textbook.

Historians are engaged in a discursive meta-textual practice of text production. They read documents to make documents. The rules of reading documents and the rules of making documents are ARBITRARY and deliberately so: historians deny some deeper truth underwriting their discipline. Historians, unlike sociologists, know they're playing the glass bead game.

>They don't even know how to use theory
Might want to watch EP Thompson destroy Althusser's fuckboi mate. We know what theory is, but we prefer the complex terrain of discursivity and hermeneutics.

>cultural logic of the time they live in
so exactly like theory?

[Anonymous No.19101288]

>>19099709
Damn. What specifically made you feel so bad anon?

[Anonymous No.19101297]

>>19101285
ep thompson thinks the workers have all kinds of agency. yeah right LOL. Have you met a worker ever and thought wow they comprehend their class position and are developing their consciousness outside of neoliberal values! pfft. Althusser was the most blackpilled man to write theory and was a good man.

[Anonymous No.19101352]

>>19101297
>Have you met a worker ever
60 hour weeks, mate. You'd want to look at the history of the BLF in Australia.

Also your description of class consciousness as individuated is a liberal bourgeois perspective on the subject.

Thompson was a cunt, but in the matter of disciplinary theory he tore Althusser's little English boy a new hole. If you want a more sustainable historian's theory, try looking into Operaismo's conceptions of the subject, discipline, co-learning, collective learning, etc.

>blackpilled
You're only saying that because he killed his wife, not because you've actually read Perry Anderson.

[Anonymous No.19101408]

>>19099312
It's pretty nice. I'm a 31 year old dude that's going back to college. Last year was my first time taking any classes in ~7.5 years and this semester is my first time being on campus. It's fun and I wish I took it more seriously, studied harder, and just did better the first time around so I never had to drop out.

Oh well, I have a much better study ethic now and I'm getting all A's. Thanks for reading my blog. :^)

[Anonymous No.19101418]

Been out for 4 years now. Taking my professional licensing exam next month. When do I stop having nightmares that I missed my very important final exam and now my degree is revoked?

[Anonymous No.19101429]

>>19101418
Never. I was still having them for years after I dropped out. Usually it was a nightmare where I skipped a course on a foreign language the entire semester and had a final exam coming up.

[Anonymous No.19101445]

>>19099312
Starting masters soon at a prestigious University. I am both excited and afraid since I’m an international and they might write exams and papers differently over there.

[Anonymous No.19101475]

>>19101288
That no matter how I structure my day there is not enough time to do all the coursework.

[Anonymous No.19101486]

>professor in small college town
>students back in person
>hot teen sluts everywhere
Give me Epsilon through Rho variants and five more years of lockdown Zoom semesters, I am tired of this.

[Anonymous No.19101498]

I'm 28, I have a full time job and earned my house and savings through that job.

Should I go back to school to study Literature as a second degree?

[Anonymous No.19101501]

Classes haven't even started and I'm already contemplating suicide.

[Anonymous No.19101527]

>>19101498
Why would you want a second degree? Personal pride? I mean, it's largely why I'm going back, in addition to opening up more career opportunities, but it's a lot of work to balance it and a full time job.

[Anonymous No.19101530]

>>19101498
Why don't you just find a community of people reading canon and read with them?

>>19101486
Don't worry, you'll never get tenure.

[Anonymous No.19101636]

>>19099312
>tl'dr how does it feel to be back in school bros?
I like looking at the women.
yesterday one told me that what I said was well put. And to repeat it. Which felt good.
I go to college because you get meet cute girls there. I'm old. 23

[Anonymous No.19101697]

>>19101636
23 isnt old.

[Anonymous No.19101742]

I am a PhD and I have to wear masks 24/7 because for some reason I manage to share an office with the only person in our lab who is "uncomfortable" with people around her do not wear masks. We can not even enter the building if we are not vaccinated but we still have to mask everywhere. You walk outside, no one gives a shit.

So pretty shit. I want this madness to end, universities have gone off the deep end.

[Anonymous No.19101754]

>>19101742
Just have sex with her already.

More seriously, I feel your pain. Being around someone like that, day in and day out, would drive me mad. I'd get angry. I'd start acting outwardly rude to the selfish whore.

[Anonymous No.19101761]

>>19101742
>lab
Go back to enjoying your engineers. You can't come here unless you have a hermeneutics. Social sciences don't count, you can have those, we don't want them.

[Anonymous No.19101865]

>>19101754
She already makes my skin crawl. She embodies everything I hate about academia and the sort of people that take root in it. I am sure she will become a professor, the path is already prepared for her.

>>19101761
But I also enjoy being a pseud. Although I do not share the pain of being a classics PhD.

[Anonymous No.19101958]

i feel bad for you. what a sham you are put through, anon. what do you think the reward of all this stress is? is it worth the lifelong dreams you will have where you forgot to study for some test, or can't find the exam room? is it worth being humiliated endlessly by artificial deadlines, for which you must grovel for an extension, whose only purpose is to make your ta's life easier? will it be worth it when any passion you had for learning has been completely desiccated from your intellect? do you think a $70k salary will help you with that? are you even studying something you like or did you sell out before you even put in your application? i hope you're smart enough to receive grants and subsidies and avoid the debt most students go into simply to get some meager credential they require to 'advance', all the while being taught by failures with paltry achievements.

[Anonymous No.19101965]

alas i forgot to mention your final humiliation: medical submission to these buffoons. enjoy, anon! enjoy your stay!

[Anonymous No.19102052]

It's pretty pathetic. I'm a Classics PhD at a second rate university... I don't think I'll go to campus this semester and I only went a handful of times last year. I'm on my comps so it's not that big a deal. Still, I barely know anyone and the entire conversation, this thread among it, of how utterly trite academia is is looming over my head along with the shittiness of my peers. Everyone volunteering for the dumb departmental groups (GSA's) which are all online and ways to check off boxes. Most are doing Queer theory or some shit like that...

[Anonymous No.19102066]

>>19102052
Oh and my only saving grace of hooking up with chicks on archaeology projects is null... and so is the one consoling fantasy of meeting a hot slut in one of my classes I TA - oh well.

[Anonymous No.19102077]

>>19102052
Fucking hell are you me? Just know that it doesn't get any better at top tier unis, it's worse. My visceral memory of my PhD was hanging out with absolute faggot rich kids in arrested development, every one of them was doing shallow trendy shit, nobody cared about anything but they all seemed to get rewarded the more shallow and ditzy they were. This post hit home too >>19101865
>embodies everything I hate about academia and the sort of people that take root in it. I am sure she will become a professor,
I know this exact feeling. After a while you can feel it in your bones, this person is one of the ones who is going to make it, exactly because of how awful they are. They are awful in all the right ways, they're the perfect awful cocktail this shithole wants and cultivates.

Someone having a PhD from Harvard means less to me now than someone having a BA from a state school meant to me when I was 18. It's absolutely meaningless. Anyone who can tread water with a B average can get a PhD. I spit on my fellow PhDs (except you two).

[Anonymous No.19102109]

>>19101429
Holy shit, I can't believe this is a common thing. I had a dream where I has to sit an ancient greek test out of nowhere. What is it about foreign language; just the fact that there's no way to bs your way through it, that everything is unknown?

[Anonymous No.19102114]

>>19102077
There is some good people out there. I work with another PhD at a different school, who I need in my Master's, on Latin and Greek - right now were reading Eutropius for example - as we both feel extremely uncomfortable in our milieus. The way languages are approached is trash (I'm not great at them, but still) and the hurdles of classes which you couldn't care less about is frustrating.

There are people who are setting up alternatives. I stumbled upon this recently and have a deep respect for the guys who created this institute. https://ancientlanguage.com/

A good interview with them:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OooCm3aSL-I

[Anonymous No.19102121]

>>19102114
Excuse the phone posting

[Anonymous No.19102133]

>>19099639
Even for a community college, that sounds retarded. I went to a community college last year, and my English teacher was going to have the class read Metamorphosis. She ended up cancelling it because of covid though.

[Anonymous No.19102134]

>stay in ogre apartment all day by myself
>steal out for an occasional walk, at night, when people can only see me in brief headlight flashes
>walk on trails into the forest in pitch black
>utterly alone, no social contacts save for my parents
>sleep deprived, sad, and self-hateful
>somehow tard raged through three years of a biology major, graduating this semester
>still can't give answers if anyone asks me what I learned
I'd say it's looking up

[Anonymous No.19102157]

>>19102134
Biology just lends itself to rote memorization, you won't retain anything if it isn't actively used.
t. biochemistry and can't even remember how to solve an integral

[Anonymous No.19102174]

>>19102077
Spit on it before I push it in, trust me on this one.

[Anonymous No.19102192]

>>19102157
It's especially odious when you have a jumble of unrelated classes that further muddy the waters, but I'll cover everything pertinent I've done over the years once college is over.

Where can a bio major/philosophy minor get a job? I know I can google this, but I want to talk to anons, with or without experience in this. Perhaps work as a lab assistant?

[Anonymous No.19102197]

>29 yo
>NEET but financially secure through crypto and other investments

Should I take up a Degree in Maths and Philosophy?

[Anonymous No.19102199]

>>19102114
I hope more initiatives will pop up outside academia, but particularly free ones sustained by communities of people putting in effort because they care about it, not for profit. Anything profitable will be coopted by the existing regime.

>>19102174
I told you already, I don't want the vaccine.

[Anonymous No.19102256]

>>19102199
>I hope more initiatives will pop up outside academia, but particularly free ones sustained by communities of people putting in effort because they care about it, not for profit. Anything profitable will be coopted by the existing regime.
The problem is that we need the university for a few things:

* The library
* Each other's company
* Undergraduates to intellectually abuse

The science geeks have failed to steal us the library we need, they stole their journals, but in my sub-discipline I not only need secondary works of scholarly knowledge from the last 200 years in chapter and monograph form, I need repositories of contingent documents from the last 200 years. Freeware archives from organisation's internals don't exist.

/lit/, reddit's "disciplinary" forums, scholarly societies, all have failed to provide peer relationships in a suitable time frame.

And who'd trust me with their child? They'd get a plumber who can do logistics and communism back.

[Anonymous No.19102297]

>>19102199
>>19102256
This is just languages. It is "paid" as you are attending classes and they are online, but the methodological approach is what makes it much more interesting and rewarding. I've done both styles of learning Latin and Greek and the natural method is much better...

I really wish Classics journals were stolen and older texts and editions of language books were available. Rather read an 1800's edition than anything now

[Anonymous No.19102311]

>>19102297
Oh you're just talking language acquisition, not imparting disciplinary reading.

I thought we were planning to socialise the university as an institution, not the trivium and quadrivium.

[Anonymous No.19102352]

>5 semesters into computer science
I have never been so busy in my life. First exam of the semester is tomorrow in my compilers course. Wish me luck bros.

I've been enjoying reading Moby Dick in the tiny pockets of spare time I find every once in a while.

[Anonymous No.19102358]

>>19099668
they've been having parties this whole time

[Anonymous No.19102396]

I wish I took school more seriously. I graduated with a 3.5 in economics and no relevant internships. Took me a year to find a job and now that I've been working here for a couple years I make high 5 digits but it doesn't seem like enough. I wanted to get one of those banking jobs where you make like $150k right out of college and learn all kinds of cool finance shit but now all I do is price pharmaceuticals and it's sort of boring. I couldn't imagine doing this for 40 fucking years. I wish there was some clear path out of this that didn't involve either going back to school for tens of thousands or taking a massive income hit to go into something like the trades. Take all of the opportunities you can in school. Honestly I wish I had waited to go later I probably would have majored in something completely different.

[Anonymous No.19102404]

>>19102352
>fungus exam in 11 hours
I need a 4chan-blocker

[Anonymous No.19102405]

go to a CC, everyone is retarded, I'm retarded

[Anonymous No.19102409]

>>19102396
You know maybe you should have read some labour history and Engels.

[Anonymous No.19102412]

>they all got vaccinated

holy shit lmao F to you fucking nerds

[Anonymous No.19102420]

>>19102409
No my life would have been infinitely better if I never had anything like that at all.

[Anonymous No.19102424]

undergrad /lit/ major here
>nearly the same as before
>tons of parties/clubs/student activities
>dining halls open like normal
>gyms the same
>normal interactions with professors instead of stilted zoom bullshit
But me on the other hand I spend 90% of my time outside class doing homework or exercising. I see friends once a week or so. Trying to find a wife but most women I meet are very boring. I think my roommates girlfriend keeps hitting on me when she's drunk and then regretting it the next morning so that's the most action I'm getting.
Zoom academy nearly killed me though. University really gave me something to do with my life and being kicked off campus was devastating. I barely made it through without just completely abandoning my studies and becoming some blue collar schmoe.

[Anonymous No.19102432]

>>19102396
I know the whole "study what you love" thing is a meme but then I hear about what happens to people who go to school with no passion.

[Anonymous No.19102434]

>>19102420
You're a great advertisement for the economics degree mate.

[Anonymous No.19102478]

>>19102432
Idk, it's damned if you do damned if you don't. I know people who studied shit that was their passion and they're working really shitty jobs for much less money than I am. Maybe I'm just a drama queen, my life is comfy above all else I suppose. I make enough go out with friends, spend on hobbies, live, and save at the end of the day. And there's a clear path of advancement. I have a buddy with a degree in biomedical engineering, he sells fucking insurance for like $40k a year and he hates it. I just had higher expectations for myself I guess.

>>19102434
It seems more like a degree you get along with something like finance to make yourself seem smarter. Everyone I talked to interview for corporate jobs whether they were accountants, finance guys, administrative retards, whatever all thought that economics was some kind of big brain hoodoo magic. Like it's one of those degrees that normies just automatically associate with having a big brain when in reality it's just applied statistics. It taught my 0 hard skills though.

[Anonymous No.19102512]

>>19101269
>my stupid History prof said that Marxism isn't relevant anymore
funny, Im a history major and id say something like maybe 1/4 of my history teachers are explicitly marxists. And from the stickers on the doors of the history department professor offices.... I dont think thats too far from the overall distribution of the history department.

My favorite teacher is a Hegelian. Though I do get some decently good historical materialist profs too. Ive noticed my favorite teachers incorporate historical materialism as a particular lense (though that itself leads to a wishy washy perspectivism which they are usually glade to confirm themselves).

Though I did have one teacher like you described that was definitly very "liberal" and said that marxism and that stuff about class isnt as relivent anymore and its obscurant to racialism and other systematic sctuff. You could tell he use to be some sort of socialist, but got worn down over time with how resigned he said it.

History isnt a dumb subject, its what>>19101285 said where more prof's are very cognoscent about the perspectivism in their feild of study.

[Anonymous No.19102518]

>>19102478
If you aren't actually very sharp or hardworking you won't get very far anyway, but having a degree is a pretty decent guarantee for a middle-class lifestyle.

[Anonymous No.19102522]

I'm a 3rd year and I regret going. For my field at least (CS), I realized I could have been 100x more productive just going NEET and working on self-run projects/doing freelance work and moving into the job industry from there without accruing any debt. In fact for this field, you need a portfolio to get any jobs, which is something you're expected to do on top of getting your degree, and it's more valuable than the degree really since the degree is just a way of filtering out candidates. My question then is why do we even get the fucking degree? Yes, many people will ignore your application if you don't have a degree. But if you have a good enough portfolio, it won't matter. You will learn WAY more that is relevant to your job in those 4 years of independent practice and work than 95% of those university grads because they're burdened with a course load teaching them stuff that is mostly not necessary for what they will actually do.

But once you've entered university, you can't just leave unless you have a very good reason. If I quit now it's a massive loss with no gain, and it would be a huge obstacle in getting a job. So for now I have to finish these two years and get the degree or I'm screwed. And my energy to work on the projects that will really help me is always limited because I have to deal with a heavy course load. Perhaps it is worth it in the end, just because it's incredibly hard to get an interview without a degree. I don't know. But even then, screw the university system. It is just as they say, it's a scam, and we're the willing victims.

[Anonymous No.19102539]

>>19102396
wah wah wah i wish i could go back in time. shut the fuck up. live in the present. youre being pathetic. wishing you could change the past and fearing the future and avoiding now. i wish i wish i wish.

[Anonymous No.19102597]

>>19102518
I just do the absolute bare minimum at work and everyone keeps praising me for...doing exactly what they asked. I don't understand how the bar is so low.

>>19102539
Yeah I know. I've recently deleted all of my video games but I just end up spending my time going from one thing to the next every few weeks without actually finding something that's enjoyable enough to just keep working towards.

[Anonymous No.19102601]

any foreign language majors here? majoring in french with aims for something in academia but i'm not sure. i speak norwegian as well. is my future just going to be one of translating business documents? is even that too optimistic?

[Anonymous No.19102779]

>>19099312
It fucking sucks. Most of my classes are on Zoom. The campus is filled with retarded, negrified zoomers, and the services are all fucked because of "covid". I'm coming back to academia from 5 years in the real world and it's quite eye-opening how much of a scam this shit is. And I'm attending a program this is top ranked in the world for my field. The work is just navel gazing, trite, bullshit. All of the prof's are just zombified, zero passion. Two years of sitting behind a screen will do that to a nigga I guess. Not to say that academia wasn't in the midst of a long, drawn out, death rattle before this pandemic hoax. Really just waiting til they mandate the vax so I can have a good reason to quit.

[Anonymous No.19102820]

>>19102311
That’s a whole different project, equally important, but harder. The university system won’t collapse until capital does

[Anonymous No.19102852]

>>19102820
The working class has achieved standards of self-education between 1850 and 1950 that exceeded the quality of contemporary universities. Marx aimed Capital at *workers* because he expected that they were collectively self-education from the WEAs.

The only two groups interested in self-education I've encountered are adult tankies and old school syndicalists. Autonomia is too busy thinking they can win to build institutions for the long march.

[Anonymous No.19102856]

>>19101408
Hey, 31 year old dude, I'm a 32 year old dude who is thinking of going back to college.
What are you studying? How hard was it to get back in? How are the profs and zoomers treating you?

[Anonymous No.19102893]

>>19102852
Good points. Hence the less ambitious attempts to make language learning in Classics better and remove some of the bs from that. Saw a project to built gender neutral Latin nouns. Kill me my nigga

[Anonymous No.19102918]

>>19101475
Take 4 classes a semester bud.

[Anonymous No.19102934]

>>19102893
>Every declension -x
DO IT POOFTER
Oh gods.
I feel for you classicists the worst. History is at least surviving in the academy, and outside the academy functioning left organisations heartily encourage it. Yes, the one functioning left organisation in your nation-state, haha, it is better than the 1990s, trust me. Trust me.

Whereas the bourgeoisie have had the bad taste to abandon classics despite it being the dankest interpersonal self-management tool in existence. Also fetish fuel. Don't tell me you didn't wank to white goddess before rejecting Graves.

[Anonymous No.19102952]

>>19102934
Nah even worse than that. Making every noun a 5th declension since Masc./Fem. are same. Amices, for example. BIG YIKES

[Anonymous No.19102973]

>>19102856
I'm 32 back at school after terrible jobs. I still have no future. I feel old and try not to pay attention to other students. I do the readings kinda but just read what I want anyway and apply it to the classes I'm in in papers. Idk I can't keep doing factory jobs so at least it's a break from that even if it's totally pointless.

[Anonymous No.19102984]

>>19102973
the library has the collected works of Stalin so I'm going through those that I otherwise couldn't. Maybe I'll develop Stalinist feminism for a gender studies class just for fun.

[Anonymous No.19103005]

>25
>quit job
>enroll back into uni
>don't even have to pay cuz it's not burgerland
>no stress of failing
>study for pleasure

feels fresh desu

[Anonymous No.19103012]

>>19102952
All terrain is political in the struggle, but this is a bunch of radical bourgeois liberals shitting their jorts in public while trying to shoot an RPG out of an M60.

Again, I am so glad I lucked out and didn't take Sanskrit in first year to be fucked by a University Legend (80, bicyclist) who tried to pull me dad (30 years prior) and me brother (2 years later) who was an adamant austrohungarian imperialist—in the 1990s.

Not because latin greek and sanskrit are bad, but because my resentissemont is so much less as a historian than as a historically minded classicist.

[Anonymous No.19103025]

>>19102984
Isn't collected stalin in french marxists.org? You need to read Sheila Fitzpatrick on actual stalinism and how stalin actually democratically responded within the party to the forces placed upon him by young members…

…which is to say chicks did Great Purge.

[Anonymous No.19103086]

>>19101418
>>19101429
Is this a form of PTSD? Is this ever explored or explained? Is school that traumatic and should it be?

[Anonymous No.19103139]

I'm that Eastern Euro guy who was enthusiastic about going back to university at 24 (after two years of NEETing) and studying Classics as an undergraduate before applying to become an English/German-Hungarian translator (since translation can only be chosen as an MA field after any other BA degree).

Everything about it feels pointless. I could study the Classics much faster and more effectively by myself, I wouldn't have to study reheated western theory from the 80s on the side and accept the shit takes of the professors, my time and energy wouldn't be wasted on travelling to and fro between classes (and between my hometown and the university's town) on crappy, dirty, overcrowded buses, I wouldn't have to live in a crappy, dirty, overcrowded shitheap they call dormitory with two other retards in a single room, and for what other reason am I putting myself through all this (and coursework) but to get a paper that will allow me to get another paper that won't even guarantee employment or that I won't be phased out by machine translation? I don't even care about translating legal documents, advertisements, and all that crap, it's just that languages are the only thing I'm okay at, I have no other skills besides it.

I've barely started but I already want to go back to NEETing things up and just learning French and Italian on my own while polishing my German skills and maybe getting some crappy part-time job with those skills, my mother and brother would probably be disappointed, but I can't really find it in my heart to care about what they think of me so long as it does not affect my living situation. I also have some pressing physical matters (teeth straightening, going to a doctor with my knees and hip) that I want to take care of that I don't have the time for with uni in the way, I simply can't find it in me to contribute to a society that never gave me anything and that never cared about me either, I am absolutely shameless in abusing every loophole I can to do the minimum amount of work needed to get by in it. It deserves nothing less than my scorn. What am I going to miss out on in such a way? No way someone like myself is ever going to find himself in a functional relationship with a serviceable woman, and so if not for family, then for what else are men ought to make slaves of themselves? Even people who do "all the right things" get fucked over all the time in the romantic and economic sphere of our times : I have zero interest in gambling and making a fool of myself.

God knows my dream is to do all I can to spite this disgusting world.

[Anonymous No.19103152]

i'm an undergrad lit major and it has been horrible during the pandemic. Most of my classes are still online. I haven't seen most of my peers in more than a year. My interactions with professors have been shit too. I also barely made it through last semester, and from being top of the class I went to failing a course as I couldn't bring myself to finish an essay (in my defense I was working and doing this extracurricular thing that took most of my time). The only reason I've survived is my girlfriend, the only person I've been able to see normally.
I hate this bros I just wanna go back to normal courses and make some new friends.

[Anonymous No.19103203]

>>19102601
what do you plan on doing with your french major? linguistics, literature?

[Anonymous No.19103218]

>>19099312
Fucking fed up with it, can't wait for it to end. Just here to finish my masters but that's it. I'll study just enough to keep my scholarship and write an okayish thesis and that's it.

[Anonymous No.19104206]

>>19102856
Mechanical engineering. The most difficult part about getting readmitted was coming to terms with what a poor student I was the first time around. I had to file appeals and all that showing I'd changed and my situation had.

I haven't really had to ask for any sorts of special accommodation from my professors, and I don't think I look quite as old as I am. It also helps with all this retarded mask wearing to blend in. The biggest surprise I found was that I remember a lot more than I thought.

I'd say go for it if you feel a calling. I wish I was still in touch with the person that gave me the shove to finish this thing. I'm tremendously indebted to them.

[Anonymous No.19105812]

Aren't you all very scared for your futures? I thought studying and reading stuff that is at least tangentially meaningful for you would be at least okay. Just think you will have to work for 40 years now doing something you have absolutely no interest in and probably marry some dumb bitch.

What are you all going to do?

[Anonymous No.19105844]

>>19101352
>>19101285
You sound absolutely retarded, just like every “historian” with an inferiority complex.

[Anonymous No.19105898]

>>19101352
I thought Workerism was a minor Italian sect that has been gone 60 years? You history people are fucking incredible lol. (I am a lot more interested in Dengism and Xi Jinping, just because there are 1 billion+ peoples lives existing both in American retail and in China shaped by it)
Anyway the only time I felt good after the first three weeks of school was coming out of a lecture feeling the cool air and seeing an almost complete, and yellow, full moon. I think I'll become a buddhist monk. I could read another hundred books about the left and get a ton of validation from professors but I don't really know if the stress is worth any of it.

[Anonymous No.19105921]

>>19103139
You nailed it, brother.

[Anonymous No.19105975]

>>19105812
>Just think you will have to work for 40 years now doing something you have absolutely no interest in and probably marry some dumb bitch.
Not necessarily. You can get the degree, save some money, then become a hermit. If land is too expensive you could try squatting.
I agree that it's pointless to continue living a life you don't enjoy, so I'm working on moving towards one that I will.

[Anonymous No.19105978]

Why are women who study Classics so scary?

[Anonymous No.19105986]

>>19105978
By which I meant scarily ugly

[Anonymous No.19106089]

>>19102192
>bio major
>job
anon, I...

[Anonymous No.19106182]

>>19102820
>>19102852
>>19102893
SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!!!

Ok, I'm going to lay it out for you. It's not the college, you fucking morons. Smart and/or rich kids do better in life than dumb and/or poor kids. In the 20th century, the egalitarians saw that a bachelor's degree correlated with higher income and all this other shit, so they started pushing education as a right. Combine that with social justice reforms and shit, and intersectionality, and diversity as a value, now we're passing along retards who literally CAN'T FUCKING READ OR DO MATH because we're trying to make SUUUURE everyone can get that magic bachelor's degree so we can help the poor, stupid kids. Guess what? You didn't help them. You just gave them $100,000 or more of debt they have no chance of paying off. Real wages are going down or at best, stagnating, as their debt grows and grows. You didn't fucking HELP these retards. Because you CAN'T help these retards. Now we're teaching fucking high school math in colleges because you passed these retards. They should've dropped out after middle school. If Tyrone and Karen can't fucking read or write or do math, they're not getting a bachelor's degree. Plain and simple. BUT YOU FUCKING RETARDS think that we must have "equal opportunity" or "equal outcomes" or whatever the fuck, ALL IN THE NAME OF EQUALITY, which doesn't FUCKING WORK, and now we're all worse off because of it. The colleges profit off all these new retards coming in, they're charging more and more as tuition skyrockets and outpaces everything, the financial institutions managing the student loans profit, and colleges grow and grow to justify having these retards there. They create made up fucking degrees to scam you retards out of money. There was no fucking journalism degree, but now it's been created to scam people to getting one and to waste time and money for 4 years when that seat could've gone to someone who would've added actual value to the university. Guess who's the only ones who can actually AFFORD college now? It's not the poor, stupid kids. Yet you've tricked them into going anyway. The rich, smart kids were ALWAYS going to be fine. You just made it worse for everybody else because you tried to help Tyrone and Karen, and it doesn't fucking work.

https://quillette.com/2021/08/19/as-us-schools-prioritize-diversity-over-merit-china-is-becoming-the-worlds-stem-leader/

[Anonymous No.19106234]

>>19106182
You linked a fucking Quillette article. Are you stupid ? What's wrong with you? You need to learn how to evaluate sources instead of embarrassing yourself pal.

[Anonymous No.19106239]

>>19106182
Fucking hell, Biden's already talking about making community college a free and right for everyone. College will become high school. It's a giant fucking waste of time. I think in the Netherlands, students are done with school at 16 and doctors are done with schooling by 24 or some shit. But instead, we're teaching literal fucking middle school and high school math to everyone for TEN FUCKING YEARS to make sure "no child is left behind." Remember the AP and Honors classes? (Here's a secret, they aren't for gifted kids, they're for normal kids, the regular classes are for literal fucking retards who should've dropped out after middle school anyway.) Yeah, well, the racial disparity between Honors students and regular students is "unacceptable," so they're racist now and schools are getting rid of them. And now, if you'll read that article, in math classes, we're teaching literal identity politics and social justice education in fucking math class to make sure Tyrone and Karen can pass it, and also to indoctrinate everyone because your stupid fucking social justice ideas only work when they're stitched together and held up by the masses who blindly follow it because muh fee-fees and valuing "equality" over anything else despite it being a sham. So now you could have two math students, who's a C average student and one who's an A average student, and you can't fucking tell who's actually better at math because the grades aren't based on math. Community college will become a right, now everyone will be educated from age 6 to 20, and then even MORE people than normal will go to college. We'll be teaching high school in fucking master's programs. Fucking hell. Fuck you, fuck college, and fuck equality.

[Anonymous No.19106244]

>>19106234
>Percy Deift, Svetlana Jitomirskaya, and Sergiu Klainerman are professors of mathematics at, respectively, New York University, Georgia Institute of Technology and University of California Irvine, and Princeton University.

Everything they link to is cited.

[Anonymous No.19106280]

>>19106182
>>19106239
It's not the degree. The degree is a result of being rich or smart. The degree isn't what fucking matters. If you're privileged or resourceful or hard-working or smart or whatever, you'll most likely end up at college and you'll be set. You probably would've made it with or without the degree. If you're retarded but not poor, then yeah idk trade school, coffee shops, something comfy, let your parents give you a job and don't fuck it up, maybe you can become a middle manager somewhere. If you're poor but not retarded, you're going to have to work and receive scholarships. Or join the military for the GI bill (scam, you only get to use it for 36 months), or work before going back to school, or maybe you'll do fine without the degree. If you're both poor and retarded, why the fuck are you in college? It's not the degree. The degree filters out the fucking retards, but now the retards are going to college anyway, so now you can't tell who's a retard and whose not, except by maybe if it's STEM or not. But even STEM is shit now. American education is fucked.

[Anonymous No.19106333]

I’m 21 and am poor and retarded and have only finished high school because of retard classes
I am so intimidated by the idea of community college or any of that shit as I am so fucking stupid and fat and out of shape and I have scoliosis and severe sweating problem so hard labor is hard and kills me
I want to hang myself because I will never be as smart as any of you

[Anonymous No.19106347]

>>19099312
One of my mates has just gone away to uni last week. Meanwhile I pack boxes full-time and earn £7 an hour

[Anonymous No.19106352]

i just transferred and am getting a psychology degree, how fucked am i?

[Anonymous No.19106375]

>>19106352
1,000% fucked. it's the degree with the worst job prospects. it's the definition of meme degree. women do it because it's "interesting" and it keeps them busy, then they go work at Starbuck's when they graduate. please know what you're getting into.

[Anonymous No.19106389]

>>19099312
I'm about to get my associates in arts and science from my community college
I'm thinking of transferring over to a university that's offering a program that will help me get my bachelors

[Anonymous No.19106392]

>>19106333
for me it's either that or education studies which seems to have even worse career options. i was planning on going into a history program but got cold feet.

[Anonymous No.19106398]

>>19106392
>>19106375
oops

[Anonymous No.19106410]

>>19106392
>get excited that someone replied to me
>it was a mistaken reply
:(

[Anonymous No.19106414]

>>19106352
You can get a PhD and charge people like $100 an hour to talk about their problems. Psychologists are apparently in increased demand now with covid.

[Anonymous No.19106417]

>>19106410
dude community college is just high school 2. just show up and turn in the work and you'll pass. you don't even have to talk to anyone

[Anonymous No.19106424]

>>19106417
I sucked at high school because I was bullied daily and couldn’t focus and was extremely tired all the time
I gave up freshman year because I tried to commit suicide, so they placed me in literal retard classes
I am so fucking stupid that I’m scared I will fail

[Anonymous No.19106426]

>>19106280
>>19106239
>>19106182
Based

[Anonymous No.19106434]

>>19102197
you should pick up an art, like writing, drawing, music

[Anonymous No.19106438]

>>19106424
you gotta work on your spirit fren. prayer and meditation for you.

[Anonymous No.19106451]

>>19106424
You'll be fine. At least you won't have anyone bullying you anymore.

[Anonymous No.19106470]

>>19099312
I haven't been "back in school" for over ten years.

[Anonymous No.19106479]

>>19106182
>>19106239
>>19106280
those kids aren't retards, they were failed by their parents and teachers

[Anonymous No.19106484]

>>19106333
>I want to hang myself because I will never be as smart as any of you

anon..... my heart is heavy for you. it's hard for me to find words, but... earlier this year, someone close to me took his own life. many of his high school teachers didnt understand what they were dealing with, so his mom really had to step in and make sure he had a good support system. your post reminded me of this time we were in a car, and i was listening to a podcast, he asked what i was listening to, and i started talking about it. i think it was about some supreme court case or something. and he was looking down and to the side, and said in a soft voice, "how do you know all this stuff..." he worked at a movie theater and worked at a restaurant and he was a hard worker, better than me. but those guys didnt know how to treat him either. he was 22. anon, i know my words might not mean much to you, but i will tell you what i wish i could tell him. i know life fucking sucks and some of us arent as special as others, but thats ok. please find what you like doing and just do what you can to sustain it. see your family and see your friends, we want to see you, we wish we could. your job and your knowledge and all this other shit doesnt matter, i dont care if you think youre not as smart as the others, i want you back. everybody wanted to see you happy, you think it doesnt matter but it does. anon, i want to see you happy, i dont want you to struggle, i dont want you to leave. there's so much i still never showed you. fuck work, stop caring about those assholes, do what makes you happy.

[Anonymous No.19106498]

>>19099312
I'm doing CS, third year. We are not going back to campus this semester because teachers are still scared of covid.
While most material is easy to understand the amount of work you have to put is asphyxiating. We are basically working at this point. Sometimes in trivial programs and without pay.
I'm part of the "best" university of this third world country and it seems that just means we as students just do a lot of work. I know people from other unis that lead comfier lives while studying engineering and cs.
I should have studied Math since neither analysis or algebra felt like chores and I no longer plan on being and codemonkey.
I would dropout but that would disappoint the only person I love in the world, my mother, so I'll just take two more years. It's just an undergrad program at the end of the day.

[Anonymous No.19106544]

>>19106484
Anon you’ve brought tears to my eyes
I appreciate it lots, and I’m very sorry you lost your friend
I will try, anon. I won’t give up just yet.
Thank you.
>>19106438
<3
>>19106451
That’s what I’m nervous of, being an adult and still having people fuck with me for no reason than to make me feel bad
But I know I just need to man up

[Anonymous No.19106549]

>>19106352
I majored in it my first semester, unless it's your calling like Andrew Huberman, it's not going to be too great. If you're actually passionate about helping people figure things out, may not be too bad of an idea.

[Anonymous No.19106559]

>>19106544
>being an adult and still having people fuck with me for no reason than to make me feel bad
that won't happen at community college. you should start by taking an english class or something like that to get a feel for it. maybe creative writing

[Anonymous No.19106565]

>>19106549
what did you end up switching to?

[Anonymous No.19106614]

>>19106544
i said it was someoen close to me... but it was my brother. my big brother. i work a shitty fuckign desk job miles away from home and i dont even make $30k a year, thats what all my "being smart" got me. i had to get the confirmation numbers or whatever the fuck from the funeral homes or crematorium or whatever before i could go. i took as many days as i could. i went negative. my mom wasnt sleeping, she wasnt eating. in his note he placed on his bed, he said please dont be mad. he said he loved us and that he tried but he couldnt do it. he waited. he knew i had my job and mom was close to getting her pension and dad was thinking about retiring here in a couple years. he waited becase he didnt want to burden us and he wanted to know that we were ok. buit were fucking not. he said he couldnt do it, but he was. we were proud of him and we loved him and we dont care about how smart he is, that doesnt matter. he likes movies, hes seen way more than me, he's seen all the classics that i wish i saw but never have yet. he was so much more than he thinks. my dad's absolutely crushed. my dad is a little similar, my dad works construction, he installs furniture in office buildings and things like that, he unloads trucks and puts chairs and desks together. my dad also barely graduated high school, i dont remember if he actually did or not. my dad's absolutely crushed, he really loved him and took care of him better than anybody else did. he still loves him.

i know on this site, talking people out of it is "cringe" or whatever the fuck. or that living for other people is selfish and theyre trying to guilt-trip you and if you want to, then you should feel free to do it. but you dont know how fuckign stupid youre being, saying things like that. you think all this shit matters that doesnt. i know its hard, and i know you struggle, idk if you struggle more or less than my brother. but please just work through it and do a little and do what you can to sustain your lifestyle. i have a small place with a roommate, but i have my computer and phone and video games. i bought a record player and started collecting vinyls last year. i have enough money and time to travel sometimes to see my friends and family. my mom's dog is happy when i do that.
isnt that enough?

[Anonymous No.19106628]

>>19106565
I wasn't sure about what I wanted to do so I half assed high school. After recently finding a motive to keep going, I'm working on pumping up my math scores and re-taking the SAT next year. If all goes well, I'm going to pursue civil engineering as a major. If you're a guy, (which you probably are) try working a part time job for a while to figure things out (mainly that you hate working for other people).

[Anonymous No.19106648]

>>19106628
The experience is pretty useful, not for improving your resume or anything like that, but mostly realizing that if you don't work hard for a living you'll be stuck working under shitty people, this goes for both blue and white collar work.

[Anonymous No.19106839]

>>19106614
Thank you for sharing anon
my family is very dysfunctional and I have no friends, so it gets hard to live for others sometimes
I really feel for you, but I’m glad you gave me first hand experience of someone you love passing away like that
It puts it into perspective
I wish you well in the future

[Anonymous No.19106986]

>>19106244
Brett Weinstein and Jordan Peterson were working profs too... Quillette was started by a Jewish woman who worked for Rebel Media in Canada a fake news source for boomers. She was given a lot of money by libertarian Jews to start Quillette and pushes a very specific agenda you are falling for. Just twice before sharing that junk next time thanks.

[Anonymous No.19107001]

>>19102192
can you code/data science?

[Anonymous No.19107086]

I really really want undergrad pussy.

[Anonymous No.19107107]

>>19107086
I used to get it and I still know a lot of girls who give it up every weekend, and who have friends who do it even more. It's honestly not worth it for 95% of them. They are all having as much casual sex as a man could have if he could get it, and the thing is, they're sharing the top 20% of guys on and around campus. I have witnessed this with my own eyes. It's exactly like Brave New World, I've actually seen some girls replicate the "have you had Bernard yet?" "hahaha you had the tall German guy? Me too, we're so crazy!" conversation more than once.

If you really enjoy casual hookup sex with a girl who is completely used up and and destroyed by 22, and you can get it without debasing yourself, maybe it's still worth it. In the same way that going to a dirty bazaar and eating finger foods out of the same greasy trough as a billion Chinese immigrants who lick their fingers between bites is worth if you don't mind that.

But do not go into it with your guard down. No one should have to fall in love with a girl who just gave her pussy away for free for 3 straight years. That's humiliating.

[Anonymous No.19107122]

>>19107107
Have you noticed any connection between these actions and success after?

[Anonymous No.19107131]

>>19107107
Agreed. I ain't falling for these chicks. Just want a pump and dump or a DESI girl who is probably less beat up

[Anonymous No.19107136]

>>19106986
are they wrong though? you're allowed to judge the information individually, you dont have to blanket it with a "your source bad my source good"

[Anonymous No.19107137]

>>19107107
Heed this guy's advice, don't sleep with whores. Don't debase sex and love, they're sacred.

[Anonymous No.19107213]

>>19107122
What do you mean, general life/career success? The one consistent thing I've noticed is that women who loved dating and socializing in their university phase become incredibly depressed after graduating and getting their first job, because it dislocates them from both the lifestyle and the oversaturated social field of university.

In university they could do a few hours of work on their assignments and readings in the library with friends, broken up by gossip and browsing Twitter and Tinder like a low effort dayjob, and they were surrounded by more potential friends, hookups, drama, and excitement than they could ever exhaust. At a job they have a very small network of people they can potentially fuck, and that network is further reduced by most of them being older and in relationships, or unattractive and unexciting because they are people with 9-5 dayjobs, not exciting future doctors and professionals just passing through on the way to greater things.

University is a revolving door of young attractive people, there is always a new crop of especially attractive guys with especially good prospects to glean a two-month fling from. For a woman to go from that to working at a no-name office job because she got solidly mediocre grades is bracing. Especially since women don't really think ahead and plan their future, so they fully thought the feelings they had in university would last forever, of always being wanted and surrounded by fun social energies and new adventures waiting to happen, with low effort required to stay afloat in one's tasks.

Most of them that I've seen cope with the change by going even harder into slut and hookup behavior. They move to a trendy neighborhood they can't afford and try to maintain their frivolous lifestyle and the feeling of being 21 in university. They don't save, they struggle at their job, they try to ignore normal adult long-term planning as much as possible, they spend their spare money on crap, they often increasingly live in filthy dorm room like apartments often with a neglected pet.

Then they either get a guy dumb enough to date them long term, but he's below what they would have considered in their league in university, or they waste 3 years demi-dating bad Tinder on again/off again guys and burn out completely. They start to go really really crazy after 26 as they age and watch other women they know get married and have kids.

>>19107131
On my first month of college I sat in on a class where a bunch of brown girls were talking about how they hate their own men and hate how their parents try to set them up with them at traditional cultural functions, and they like frivolously fucking tall white guys.

[Anonymous No.19107240]

>>19107213
Extremely redpilled and agreed.

Fortunately I'm a tall decent looking white guy, though studying Classics has no sexual value (which is why I do it because its edifying for myself)

[Anonymous No.19107270]

I'm a townie that works on a uni campus and I hate you faggots. in fact everyone does

[Anonymous No.19107289]

>>19099312
Me on the upper right

[Anonymous No.19107311]

>>19107270
Same. I was a townie in Cville and would blast the Strokes whenever I had to pass through UVA. everyone there is white and plays lacrosse. east coast prep shit. any UVAfags here?

[Anonymous No.19107315]

>>19107136
Idk I don't have time to read Quillette. You should make it so you don't either.

[Anonymous No.19107319]

>>19099667
tom sawyer is infinitely comfier.

[Anonymous No.19107334]

>>19107213
That sounds extremely accurate.

[Anonymous No.19107372]

>>19107240
Explaining the greek middle voice will bewitch nearly any slut. Trust.

[Anonymous No.19107389]

>>19107213
high iq post

[Anonymous No.19107408]

>>19099668
I study at a Liberal arts college and we were having senior graduation parties already back in April and May.
Campus Administration literally just said "pretend to wear a mask and we'll let you have your fun"

[Anonymous No.19107439]

>>19102512
I'm not in history but I'm a grad student in philosophy, so I run into the history department relatively often. I think 1/4 is a bit too high. Here, the self-proclaimed marxists are either new postdocs who process everything through twitter, or ancient union types that have been emeritus since the early 2000's.

I think by the time someone is on the tenure track they've outgrown the idea of attaching an ism to every idea they come across. At least I hope.

[Anonymous No.19107444]

>>19107372
Well if your decent enough looking and have passion in what your talking about you can pull... its worked in the past for me. *begins reciting declension tables*

[Anonymous No.19107454]

I miss uni. Now I have to work.

[Anonymous No.19107466]

>>19107454
Main reason I went to, and still am at, grad school. Though its beginning to be worse than I expected.

[Anonymous No.19107608]

I wish i banged more whores in uni.

[Anonymous No.19107711]

>>19107608
I wish I went to uni
I wish I had sex

[Anonymous No.19107755]

>>19107439
You're analytical aren't you?

[Anonymous No.19107772]

>>19106182
Let me lay it out for you:

Read Braverman on Skill, Thompson on Time, Poulantzas on class structure, and Autonomia on class composition.

Your reductivist schema is shitting your pants in public, and is US specific.

Fuck off and read some labour history. You're a sep-cunt so start with Dubofsky.

[Anonymous No.19107786]

>>19105844
I accept your movement to ungrounded abuse as an absolute concession. Thanks for admitting you're wrong.

>>19105898
Thing is that all the serious Tankies I know who watch China aren't watching Xi Jinping as a leading theoretician, they're watching him as a barometer of the capitalist state formation's conduct.

In contrast you can take workerism or autonomia and start using them RIGHT NOW in YOUR WORKPLACE and HOMETOWN to advance class struggle instead of waiting on China to lift you up out of poverty.

[Anonymous No.19107975]

>>19107608
Same... I was trying to date girls rather than just cycle through them.

[Anonymous No.19108064]

>>19107772
I don't have to read these boring fucks to tell you this shit doesn't fucking work. Your refutation to everything I said is "uhh..... read this! got em!!" shut the fuck up nerd. Cunts are like you are making everything worse.

[Anonymous No.19108078]

>>19101498
Just check out the course guide and do the reading on your own without paying.

[Anonymous No.19108081]

>>19102077
>nobody cared about anything but they all seemed to get rewarded the more shallow and ditzy they were
Yes, this is the worst. Exactly this. Just throw out as much as crap as you can and never execute deeply on it. The other thing are people who are just the advisor's pet, doing nothing else but his bidding. They never push back and have no real interest, their specialization will be shaped by whatever their advisor pushes them into. I just can not fathom why these people become PhDs.

I am actually doing really well for myself, but academia is destroying my soul. It is all just bullshit work.

[Anonymous No.19108272]

>>19107786
I guess I was in IWW for like a year. Workers don't care. A march on the boss with no theory and just asking for better schedules is the absolute limit of potential in Canada.

[Anonymous No.19108284]

I have neither gone to class nor completed any assignments since the start of the semester

[Anonymous No.19108391]

I wish I could go to college. My greatest regret is being too strung out on pills and arrogance in HS to take my studies seriously and attain a scholarship. I’ve been working various manual labor jobs I find on Craigslist for 7 years now. I cant apply for Fafsa due to a shady financial history regarding a certain three letter agency. I live a double life, fitting in with neither the uneducated proles I work with or the academic types I meet in the bars and cafes. I go out with a college girl for drinks and she can see the punishment my poverty and toil has rewarded me in my wrinkly sun damaged face. They despise me and for good reason, my future is bleak, there is no way out. I could offer them nothing more but a one bedroom apartment in the shitty part of town with the niggers and whores. I don’t know what to do, nowhere to turn, my mistakes will haunt me for the rest of my life

[Anonymous No.19108404]

>>19108391
Are you on drugs? There are a lot of GOOD jobs you can get without a college degree. I make ~$100k/year with nothing but my high school diploma.

[Anonymous No.19108422]

>>19108404
Not anymore thankfully. What do you do? I could use some advice

[Anonymous No.19108424]

>>19108284
What's going on with you bro?>>19107772
I love Braverman and also Burawoy, and Gramsci. Who comes after Poulantzas? I like his writing on the state too. What I was suggesting was History/humanities do not like these guys in terms of labour history.

[Anonymous No.19108428]

>>19108422
I work for a railroad. There are plenty of different avenues of work you could pursue from track work to actually running trains. Just be willing to work a VERY flexible schedule.

[Anonymous No.19108456]

>>19108428
my nigga what is your job title on the railroad? I saw you in the other thread. Give me the rundown on what the best jobs within that racket are, pretty please :)

[Anonymous No.19108501]

>>19108428
I never considered working for he railroad. I’m looking at job listings now, many hiring entry level positions. What’s the work like and how manageable is moving up the ladder towards making a decent salary? Thanks a bunch

[Anonymous No.19108530]

>>19108456
I run yards. Tell the trains what to do, tell the switchers where to put the cars, and all sorts of other little things that end up being more important.

Making switch lists is fun. It's like playing a game trying to be efficient and block out as many things in the given space you have.

I started off as a conductor, did a stint in the track department, and took this position for the better work schedule.
>>19108501
Entry level pays really well. Moving up doesn't make you that much more money. You need to get into the management side for that and I have no desire to play that game. I'm unionized and happy to remain that way for now.

[Anonymous No.19108561]

>>19108530
final question: how likely is this stuff to become automated and what was the process for joining a union like(which I assume is desirable)?

[Anonymous No.19108565]

>>19106424
i nearly failed high school, but community college/uni was a breeze. CCs are generally more flexible with grades and schedules, some states even offer it for free. but above anything else, just have a plan for what you're going to do.

[Anonymous No.19108567]

>>19108530
I imagine the schedule is rough, 12h shifts, working nights and what not. How many hours of work a week you think I’m looking at? I’ll do what it takes to get a career going. Being a conductor sounds fun, the jobs listed is for terminal work, prepping and arranging cars for departure. After years of that and experience gained I could gun for a better position?

[Anonymous No.19108577]

>>19108561
They've already done a lot of the cuts in my opinion. Automation is a risk for any job, but this is the kind of job that will always need "boots on the ground" so to speak. The union has very little to do in the hiring process. This isn't like being a plumber, pipe fitter, electrician, etc. You get hired, get past your probation period(normally like 90 days) and then the union "protects" you. You cannot be fired except by process after that, and have avenues for appeal along the way.

You'll make a good living, you'll get good healthcare benefits, but you may not like the life entirely. It's worth a shot and will be far better than doing gigs on craigslist in the long run.

[Anonymous No.19108613]

>>19108567
>the jobs listed is for terminal work, prepping and arranging cars for departure
It may list it like that, but you'll probably take trains over the road too. I could write a whole book about the railroad, but I only have the 4chan(nel) reply box for now. Your only real "promotion" from conductor is to become an engineer.

Starting off you'll probably work an extra-board. That means on call. You'll get a ~2 hour call(varies by collective agreement) and show up to work. You might be switching cars in a yard, servicing customers, taking a train out of a siding and moving it down the road, or whatever. For most railroads, you work an 8 hour day and go on overtime after that. As a railroader you're actually subject to a different set of labor laws. You don't get overtime after 40 hours a week necessarily, you don't pay into Social Security, but you do have required rest after working by law, you do get 48 hours off if you work 6 days in a row(also by law), and some other quirks.

[Anonymous No.19108637]

>>19108613
>Your only real "promotion" from conductor is to become an engineer.
how long does that take typically, and what does it entail?

[Anonymous No.19108655]

>>19108613
Sounds great. I got a sprained elbow right now from a work accident but once I'm healed up I'm gonna apply to Pacific Rail. Thanks a lot anon I owe ya

[Anonymous No.19108666]

>>19108637
Just depends if they accept "volunteers." It could be a year or two, but you may decide you don't want it. Your seniority starts in a new craft and you go back to the bottom.

Me personally? I loved being a conductor. Switching cars was fun until they changed all the rules. Dropping off a car while it's moving, shoving 10 more to you, pulling the pin, and watching 1,000+ tons of freight roll into the track and make a thunderous boom is fun.

I recall one time there was a tank car with the top dome open--it was loaded with beef fat that they processed into biofuel. It was sloshing out and dripping on the sides of the rail. The yard lead was turning into a rotten mess that smelled like french fries, funny enough.

I was running a remote control engine that day. Finally I let the car roll into its track. I had to go shove the rest of the train into another track and was riding the rear car. I happened to look over and see that leaking car hit the other cars in its track--it looked like Old Faithful. A 200' geyser of orangish-brown diarrhea shooting into the air. I almost fell off the car I was riding in tears of laughter.

[Anonymous No.19108702]

>>19108666
any encounters with train hoppers?

[Anonymous No.19108710]

>>19108702
Yeah. I've got a couple of the bums arrested. Nobody rides my trains for free.

[Anonymous No.19108733]

>>19099312
i've somehow secured a doctoral scholarship starting feb next year, but i might just kill myself instead
it only gets worse from here, doesn't it? i'm so fucking tired already bros

[Anonymous No.19108750]

>>19106182
>>19106239
>>19106280
TL:DR of these posts is to read Bryan Caplan's "The Case Against Education". The signalling theory of education is obviously correct.

[Anonymous No.19108758]

>>19108733
You'll be okay, Anon.

[Anonymous No.19108801]

>>19102052
>>19102077
Holy shit are you me phd bros?

Only thing I have going for me is that my labmates and advisor are actually pretty cool, but everyone is busy with their own shit. I wish the pandemic would have gone on longer so that I could just do my research shit at my parent's house instead of going to this shit college town.

Also, FUCK undergrades and FUCK these loud ass turks that live next door to me.

[Anonymous No.19108812]

>>19099312
I feel horrible. The forced vaccination is ruining my thoughts. I’m not vaccinated. I want to kill you people for being tolerant of this clown world.

[Anonymous No.19108822]

I go to a fairly prestigious university, like borderline Ivy League but not quite. Like B tier Ivy League.
And to sum up in a nutshell, this place is a joke. I study for like 9 minutes, and still get a B+ on papers. The professors are all morons for the most part, the students don't give a shit, and the standard of what they expect has dropped so low that I'm basically doing high school tier work. I am seeing peak clown world in action every day, and it's only going to get worse.

[Anonymous No.19108828]

I'm so happy I'm done with college and got out before COVID hit. I went to one of if not the best public university in the US and I couldn't help but be disappointed by almost everyone there. They just weren't that interesting or smart or even curious. There was an incredible lack of real passion for anything beyond social justice related causes. Even the people who cared deeply about politics had really shallow takes, basically repeating takes from cable news hosts - no one was reading any political philosophers or anything. I treasured the professers who were actually good at their jobs and loved their work, and the one guy I met who thought about things at all I value deeply to this day.

Getting laid was also extremely overrated, even with cute girls and me performing well. The first time I got a girl to go nuts for me was a great boost to my self confidence and ego, but past that sex, even with a girl willing to do anything I asked her to, just didn't excite me much. I imagine I'm suffering porn-related brain damage but I want anons to understand that it's hardly the end of the world.

[Anonymous No.19108849]

>>19102134
That was me in college. I hope you’re looking forward to a low wage, insecure, soul crushing office job!

[Anonymous No.19108850]

>>19108822
University of California? it seems like a mess right now, especially with the over-enrollment at Berkeley

[Anonymous No.19108872]

Studying both western classics(Latin, Greek) and eastern classics(Ancient Chinese, Sanskrit, Pali and Tibetan) at my Japanese uni. It’s incredibly comfy and very intellectual rewarding to dive into both traditions. At least there are no wokekism or gender studies encroaching here. It’s all about the good old fashioned classics whether you like it or not.

[Anonymous No.19108926]

>>19108064
>I don't read
/lit/. Cheers cunt

>>19108272
And then you brush off and do it again until you die. Stop whining like a fucking baby boomer, you're gen x minimum.

[Anonymous No.19108940]

>>19108424
>What I was suggesting was History/humanities do not like these guys in terms of labour history.
/his/ is as closely related to history as /lit/ is to reading. Their opinion isn't valid.

The reason why your local department doesn't read theory is because it doesn't generate papers. Poulantzas is followed by the pathetic interlocutors of EP Thompson in the poverty of theory debate: what's interesting here is the turn away from class towards pure theory. This is rather stereotypical of rich marxists and dying movements.

The thing with historians is that we really do not esteem theory for its own sake, the question is, "Yes, and, what do the documents say." and the documentary record is usually rich enough that social-science theory looks like water soup. Theory is best as an irritant for historians.

If you're talking about refounding theory to save sociology, well, good luck to you. If you're talking about theory in the workers movement, well then, actual praxis is a rich enough stew that...

also do what the train guy suggests. You've got more chance of being a highly influential social scientist by reading seriously, writing seriously, and doing blue collar work than going through the university.

[Anonymous No.19108965]

>>19103139
normies really can’t understand why people don’t want to play a rigged game

[Anonymous No.19108968]

>>19105812
Monastery, homestead, or suicide

[Anonymous No.19109158]

>>19108733
or you could be the next blackpilled schizo academic that /lit/ shills for weeks

[Anonymous No.19109210]

>>19107439
>1/4 is a bit too high.
maybe a bit of an overestimation, but its definitely not a needle in a haystack if you get my drift. Also go to a pretty big uni.
>Here, the self-proclaimed marxists are either new postdocs
yah, definitely a few of those. Its amazing how you can get a picture of someone by what they post (or dont post) on the door to their office.
>grad student in philosophy
Was thinking that, but than I thought I didnt want to be writing massive boring dissertation with fellow know-it-alls. IDK felt like history allowed me to flex my philosophic interest without being so pigeonholed (and allowed me to be a know-it-all with less competition).

[Anonymous No.19109236]

>>19109158
The chances of them putting out two monographs in two years and 3 bad journal articles a year, just so that you can remisunderstand a Foucault expy is minimal.

Nick Land took DECADES of MDMA and partying to become the nazi fuck he is today.

[Anonymous No.19109248]

>>19101418
5 years out, still having nightmares too

[Anonymous No.19109271]

how to absorb a textbook into my brain?

[Anonymous No.19109428]

Feels good pirating textbooks again.

[Anonymous No.19109455]

>>19109271
The trick is you don't. Like 20% of a textbook is even anything useful, the rest is just words.

[Anonymous No.19109474]

>>19108940
Yes i annoy my instructor with theory when I think they misinterpret their documents.
>>19108968
It feels that way doesn't it. Maybe I'll be in a forest in Thailand the next 40 years doing some anapanasati.

[Anonymous No.19109479]

>>19109271
Only way I've found is if you want to win an argument against someone you dislike you become motivated to collect a handful of ideas from a textbook to write that paper because you don't dare make a mistake forgetting something.

[Anonymous No.19109489]

>>19109479
I see you too have learned from the ways of this board.

[Anonymous No.19109495]

>>19109271
Depends on the course, upper/lower division, and whether it's useful for your degree.

[Anonymous No.19109543]

>>19109495
>Depends on the course
electrics, acoustics, sound reinforcement, temp power systems, sound engineering and more.
>upper/lower division
we don't have it here.
>useful for your degree
Most of it is useful to the degree but I am doing this to learn for my own sake instead of just learning it to tick a box or pass an exam so I would like to know as much as possible anyway.

[Anonymous No.19109649]

>>19109543
I don't have a clue on your courses, so I can't give anything specific. This was what I did for my upper division courses when getting my bachelors in accounting:
1. Read chapter
2. Reread chapter - jot down notes
3. Do any practice problems at end of chapter
4. Reread chapter - jot down notes that would have been helpful for practice problems
5. Repeat steps 1-4