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and why

>> No.19098477

IQ84

It was so fucking pedestrian. Constantly mentioning and explaining Chekhov’s gun and then literally doing it, the constant name dropping of Proust and Swann’s Way without any sort of connection or meaning, the REPETITIVENESS. The fucking story is so fucking flat, the obsession with little girl cunny by the horny jap author.

1200~ pages of bullshit that goes fucking nowhere and says nothing.

>> No.19098483

gravity's rainbow. it sucks

>> No.19098486

fair

>> No.19098517

Snowcrash; I bought it and Neuromancer thinking if I read them I'd like cyberpunk more. Now I think I hate cyberpunk. I haven't read Neuromancer yet because I'm worried it's more fedora tipping edginess.

>> No.19098704

Jane Eyre
I read it because a girl reccomended it to me and then she ghosted me.

>> No.19098802

>>19098704
don't take it out on the book, you should be more mad at yourself for being a simp

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I will never be as good as shakespeare and it invokes an impotent rage in me

>> No.19098817

>>19098453
unironically my diary desu

>> No.19098838

Ishiguro. It’s trash

>> No.19098848

>>19098453
The Rainbow because it made me feel physically ill

>>19098704
Also No Longer Human for this exact reason

>> No.19098856

Call of the Crocodile. I hope you liked my five dollars you fucking cunt

>> No.19098858

>>19098517
I personally love Neuromancer, but haven't read Snowcrash so I can't give you a good comparison. Gibson is good at portraying cyberspace as an extension of psyche, and from what I remember there isn't too much edginess. Just typical cyberpunk fare with a decently cerebral narrative.

>> No.19098859

>>19098856
Im sorry for your loss

>> No.19098885

>>19098517
Neuromancer is a classic for the reason that it cuts that edge of sci-fi/detective as well being really well written.

Snow Crash is a satire on the whole cyberpunk stuff

>> No.19099146

Ararat and The Cabin at the End of The World. I wanted to read modern horror novels and used the Stoker Awards as a reading guide. Ararat is the worst book I've ever read and I quit Cabin after about 100 pages.

Ararat ended up being a poorly written genre thriller. It had an interesting premise but it was handled poorly as there was absolutely no depth to it; it's a bit of a cliche to say but the ideas were wasted. The characterization was the worst I've seen--it's hard to even describe the characters here because they're so shallowly defined (e.g. a female grad student with dyed green hair that's shaved on one side, whatever you bring to the table with that description is literally the entire character because she doesn't really say or do anything--and an old priest named "Father Cornelius" whose depth is whatever you happen to know about the archetype the author is trying to ape via just his name). The build-up was way too long and there wasn't really any tension because the climax is rushed once things start picking up (rising tension could have been used to better define the characters but the author has so little skill in that area that it just ends up being "this happened...now this happened...this is now happening!" and there aren't novel reactions to anything). While reading it I got the sense that he was trying to build one of the characters into a franchise--this was confirmed by someone on this board who looked it up another time I was on here bitching about it in a thread like this one. He ends up being boring and the little hints at some trauma he experienced as part of his job was the only depth the reader gets--think 'stoic' as a character trait but done almost to parody in that he just becomes boring. Anyway, I haven't read genre pop novels very much and I might just be shitting on something that's the common denominator (all I can really compare it to is Michael Crichton, who I read a lot as a kid, but at least those plots were carried out well and there were actual characters working within them).

Cabin also had an interesting premise and the characters were done a little better. I might not have given it enough of a chance but I tried reading it shortly after Ararat and no longer trusted the judgment of the Stokers as a means to guide reading choices. The family relationship that I suspect the entire 'horror/shock' of the plot was going to be based on once things start picking up was more than a little contrived (and the fact it was a little girl and 'muh two dads' came off as window dressing for the sake of late 2010s wokeness). If there was a twist coming, I didn't care enough to wait around for it and slogging through the book was too much to ask.

Lesson: you're probably better off asking for interesting books via a thread on /lit than you are looking to awards. The other book I read using the Stoker was "Boy's Life" which wasn't bad. Maybe the state of horror is just shit since 2000.

>> No.19099185

>>19098453
Girl with The Dragon Tattoo. Kept seeing lots of good reviews on it. Read it and instantly reject any reviews on popular books going forward. Haven't read a best seller in like 10 years.

>>19098477
That's the joke -- IQ84 is literally Swann's Way. Both suck.

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>>19098483
Filtered.

>> No.19099485

>>19098453
The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. Read them because they are my crush's favourite and she ghosted me. I understand the appeal of the books, but god are they boring. Don't get me wrong, it has a good setup for its universe but nothing else. It has no story, no goal, the characters just exist and go about their way. It's like reading a soap opera, like Adams just started writing, stopped on a cliffhanger and called it a book. I have read children's books with a better story.

>> No.19099557

Bleeding edge, two weeks wasted. Vapid, empty book that tries way too fucking hard to be quirky, I can't believe he wrote that after the incredible Against the day

>> No.19099568

>>19098477
first thought that was a way of referring to 1984.
cant use the joke for it now, damn it

>> No.19099701

>>19098453
Naked Launch. What an absolute misery... Burroughs and Kerouac should've been hanged.

>> No.19099800

>>19099485
''Awww gee Rick ,i really don't think a towel is a good weapon at all.''
''SHUT UP MoRTY, Press this lemon on my head so i can *Buuurp*, can think about something else than Vogon cube fetish porn.''

>> No.19099807

>>19099409
no, it just sucks. way overhyped. its a mess.

>> No.19099811

>>19099485
>they are my crush's favourite and she ghosted me
see this, simp: >>19098802

>> No.19099817

>>19099485
>he hasnt realized A Hitchhiker's Guide is for children

>> No.19099844

Oswald's tale, really fucking boring.

>> No.19099939

>>19098802
The book sucked anyway, I wouldn't have ever read it if it wasn't for her.

>> No.19099968

>>19099807
>reads a post modern novel
>expects a coherent structure
Being a mess is it's entire style. It finds beauty by abandonibg convential literary aesthetics

>> No.19099981

>>19099485
The only one I thought was objectively bad was the So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish; I didn't end up reading the 5th one due to how terrible So Long was.

That said, I honestly don't remember them outside of the pop culture references--they're not really memorable and there's no lasting impact in terms of depth or anything. I guess they're entertaining (except the 4th one) and not terrible--but outside of the fact they were relatively unique at the time they're not great; they just appeal to normies who like cheeky humor. (Aside, I remember thinking the 3rd one was the best of the series).

>> No.19100085

>>19098453
Steppenwolf

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>>19099968
>it's shit on purpose

>> No.19100100

>>19098477
This. It's what outed Murakami as a hack for me. Fucking algorithmic soulless shit.

>> No.19100113

Being and Time. It took a while to recover any good footing Philosophically.

>> No.19100134

>>19098453
Invisible Cities. I got absolutely nothing out of it

>> No.19100149

>>19100134
You didn't even feel smart while reading it?

>> No.19100154

>>19098453
Infinite Just.
Made me realize fiction is for plebs.

>> No.19100177

>>19098856
Kek

>> No.19100197

>>19100134
Invisible Cities is fantastic. You got filtered hard.

>> No.19100229

>>19099146
Clive Barker has a tendency of taking a really cool idea and writing it into an early grave.

Weaveworld is pretty good if you'd like a stand alone

>> No.19100246

>>19100197
I'm just into better stuff

>> No.19100250

>>19100229
Funny you mention him--I picked up Books of Blood around the same time but hated it. I've heard Weaveworld is good but was hesitant to bother with it after not liking the aforementioned.

>> No.19100262

>>19098477
Lol. Been keeping this on the back-burner having wisely dropped it a decade ago when I was like 17. For some reason I'm drawn to finishing it but fuark it just isn't a good book.

That said, you can see murakamis talent for drawing out a certain atmosphere

>> No.19100266

Most of Julius Evola, from whom I’ve read a dozen or so books. I have a sentiment that basically sees him as 50% “there’s something worthwhile there” and 50% worthless, maybe even harmful garbage.

>> No.19100268

>>19099485
>It has no story, no goal, the characters just exist and go about their way.
i'm not sure if you're trolling here. that's the entire point. the meaningless of it all, it's a major theme of the book. it's just a silly ride of nonsense, not like a drama exploring human nature or something.

>> No.19100278

>>19098453
Regret: Nuremberg War Crimes Tribunal; Soviet Evidence.
Why: Иди и cмoтpи

>> No.19100296

Les misérables

Actually still reading it, but have already finished the vast majority so I may as well finish it.
The story itself is good but I do not think I have ever disagree with an author more. I disagree with literally every single statement this guy has. Sometimes I just feel like fucking punching him in the face. It is bearable during the story parts, but just infurating during the "other" parts. It's like if you had a michelin chef cook you a dinner made from a leather boot and moldy potatoes

>> No.19100303

>>19100250
Books of Blood is great if you don't want to commit to a tome like Weave, and what with spooky season nearly upon us it's fitting.

>> No.19100321

A dirty job by christopher moore. one of the most astoundingly bad "works" i've ever witnessed, every cliche imaginable clogs up that festering grease trap, the "prose" is the slime of an ordurous weasel, and its superficiality knew no bounds, so much so that it seemed even to achieve a depth of inanity.
never read this book. NEVER read this book.

>> No.19100330

>>19098517
Snowcrash is fun, but mostly it's a mess.

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I picked up some very unsavory fetishes that I swore I did not have before I read the book
Or at least I was unaware of them

>> No.19100342

>>19100331
i actually burned this book. shame he was such a pervert, he was obviously a genius.

>> No.19100346

>>19100091
clueless

>> No.19100348

>>19100331
>>19100342
Cities of the Red Night is better.

>> No.19100358

>>19098517
>>19098885
>>19100330
Snow Crash started out as a graphic novel that's why it's written like that. He ran out of money or something and just turned it into a book with no pictures

>> No.19100369

>>19098477
I just finished it after months of on-and-off reading, sorta feel the same way. But now that I've invested so much time into it, I just feel empty to be done with it. Almost don't want to read anymore lol. But I loved Hardboiled Wonderland, despite how I feel about 1Q84.

>>19098517
FWIW I loved Snowcrash but couldn't finish Neuromancer - I liked the messy humor of the former, but if that turned you off, Neuromancer takes a bit more of a mature approach.

>> No.19100374

>>19098453
The second half of Demian, right from the part where basic bitch hippie shit starts

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>>19098856
Pleb detected. CotC is fucking great.

>> No.19100390

>>19100374
The ending was pretty good, however

>> No.19100409

>>19098477
1Q84 would've been better suited as a variety of excerpts for short stories, I love the Town of Cats stuff.

>> No.19100434

>>19100268
No trolling. One just reads it and hope something cool happen. It's exactly the reason why I hated it.

>> No.19100449

>>19100382
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gR_n8win2Vs&t=41s

Sounds great according to this.

>> No.19100463

The books of the new sun.
It might just be one of those I won't "get" since I don't care much for Christianity, but to me it just seemed like an obscure and uneventful journey with an unsatisfying conclusion and a boring protagonist.

>> No.19100472

>>19100463
To be fair, why *would* you even read botn if you dont care about christianity? That's like someone reading The Republic while ot caring about philosophy

>> No.19100476

"The Handmaid's Tale". I can't tell why people like it so much, especially with that non-ending.

>> No.19100483

>>19100472
It's supposed to be a scifi classic not some cryptoreligious shit. At least Left Behind has the decency to stay in the Christian bookstore ghetto

>> No.19100525

>>19100449
oh it is. Call of the Crocodile (and the rest of the gardnerbooks) is like a litmus test. You either see how multilayered they are (all the allegories to Dante's Inferno, The King in Yellow, Faust) and love it. Or you just have a generic retard reaction which means it's literally 2deep4u.

>> No.19100543

>>19100483
Lmfao, its a book about christianity first and foremost, the sci-fi shit is just the framework so the story can take place. Next time do yourself a favor and spend 5 mins on the wikipedia of an author before reading their book

>>19100476
I am convinced no one has read this book, they jsut watched the TV show or know the plot and like it enough to be like yeah I wanna read that haha

>> No.19100559

>>19100543
Blending the lyric extravagance of fantasy and the keen edge of science fiction, The Book of the New Sun weaves a powerful tapestry of awesome terror and dreamlike beauty. It begins in a future so distant our civilization is no longer even a memory, and the remnants of our science seem like magical forces. It is a time when the Sun is dying, and legend speaks of the return of the Conciliator, who will bring about the birth of the New Sun. In the great Citadel, young Severian is apprenticed to the order of the Seekers for Truth and Penitence - the ancient Guild of the Torturers - until he is banished for the sin of mercy. Armed with the sword Terminus Est, Severian wanders the lands of Urth on his way to a post in distant Thrax. It is an odyssey fraught with monsters and mysteries and woven about with strange portents. For into his hands falls a miraculous gem whose powers move him to a grander destiny...a destiny he dare not refuse.

Oh yeah and Severian is Jesus. GTFO

>> No.19100573

>>19100543
>I am convinced no one has read this book
The only good bits are pre-revolutionary Canada's horrific sexism; sex with the unwomen; the unwomen work camps (off-screen) particularly for unwomen with penises; and the future anthropologist.

The idea that a woman can be a bourgeois subject, even in the critique of that through determining historical forces limiting the narrative capacity of the focus character, is ludicrous. She never gets to the point where the subject breaks subjectivity and exceeds itself, probably because its a copy of medieval female saint narratives, rather than the modern poet hero narrative.

So yes, some of us cunts have read it, but we don't talk about it, because it is a piss-weak copy of the English Romantics, because it failed in conducting a proper materialist analysis of gender and subjectivity, and because while she can write a convincing sex scene (unlike orwell) I'd rather masturbate to Gulag Archipelago. And I do.

>> No.19100587

>>19098517
Nothing captures a male pizza delivery guys thoughts about himself better than the first chapter of Snowcrash.

>> No.19100603

>>19100587
I think you meant the hit Australian SBS television comedy "Fat Pizza."

>> No.19100615

>>19100603
Sorry but I haven't watched a TV show that came out after 2001.

>> No.19100639

>>19100615
The year Walker Texas Ranger ended. A fellow Norris Knight

>> No.19100646

>>19100525
Allegories are gay. I read a story to read a story. I don't read a story to read the distorted reflection of some other story.

>> No.19100658

>>19100639
Chuck Norris is the only reason I believe in God.

>> No.19100668

>>19100646
Well duh. It has a ridiculously crazy plot so I'm assuming you almost certainly didn't finish Call of the Crocodile. That shit was off da fucking hook man.

>> No.19100680

>>19100615
It is seriously your loss. Fat Pizza is Shakespearean in its low comedy. Which is to say it is bawdy, overwritten, sad, from an outsiders perspective, and still better than anything an American has ever done other than suicide.

>> No.19100694

>>19100680
Hell is American television force fed like Alex was in Clockwork Orange. If the commercials inflicted upon you as you view the atrocity were not worse, one would look forward to them.

>> No.19100707

>>19098477
This but also everything he's written since Wind Up Bird.
Fucking Colorless Suzuki or whatever the fuck it's called being the worse offender. That book, more than any other of his lazy rehash period, just screams "I wanted a bigger house and a Lexus".

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>> No.19100745

>>19100266
Amen. "REEEE NOOO THATS TOO MODERN REEEEE"
"I bet you havent heard of this obscure reference to Ancient Egypt heh. It's not mainstream"
Fucking hipster.

>> No.19100790

>>19100250
What horror books *do* you like, anon?

Personally I found Ararat mildly enjoyable, while taking it for no more than a 'genre pop novel', where thin characterizations and the like go with the territory; one expects no more, like one expects no more from any given episode of a one-hour action-thriller tv series. Also, I'm a sucker for almost any book that's set in the cold and snow, which induces insta-comfy vibes.

>> No.19100791

>>19100707
What about Kafka on the Shore? Haven't read that yet, but I've heard good things and it was written after Wind Up Bird.

>> No.19100991

>>19098453
The Laws
Fucking waste of time, even worse is that I started with them

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>>19100434
I can see why you'd be disappointed in it then. I loved it because I was reading it with a mindset that it was just a bunch of jokes and nonsense. It's one of my favorite books now. I felt like the beginning story about the girl and the phone made it very clear that following a plot or character wouldn't really lead you anywhere, that the book was absurd nonsense.

>> No.19101480

>>19100791
That one significantly diverges from Murakami's usual formula and is worth reading. Everything after Kafka just sucks.

>> No.19101496

>>19100268
>that's the entire point. the meaningless of it all
excellent cope

>> No.19101614

>>19098517
its isnt. thanks for confirming my choice to read neuromancer frist when i was you last year

>> No.19101621

>>19099185
You’re genuinely retarded and have zero taste. Although I’m glad Proust filters retards like you. Stick to reading game of thrones.

>> No.19101624

>>19098453
I wish I got more out of Georges Perecs Life. It felt too itemized and while the puzzle theme was interesting there were times where I felt the book wasn't for me.

>> No.19101629

>>19100246
This. Invisible Cities is entry level tumblr tier writing

>> No.19101817

>>19100369
Adding to this, I realize I don't regret 1Q84, I just didn't love it and wouldn't recommend it. He has a lot of better, shorter works.

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The satanic bible. It was so shit.
If I ever thought that a bunch people are literal drones who speak about things they don't know about, this book just cemented that.
I've heard so much about the book and "Le ebil stanic ritools" and "muh satan was more rational than Jesus" that I wanted to give it a shot, see what the fuzz was about
So, first off, this book isn't a millenium old work, it was writing by some fucking hippie in the 60's, probably while on Acid.

The book starts to throw a bunch of slander agaisnt the chruch, but not christianity as a religion, feels like what an edgy 14yo would say.
Then LaVey goes and claims that praying is useless, since you appeal to an unmaterial being, right there and then I though "Oh nice, so this book is gonna be a natural conclusion to materialism over spiritualism"
And then, he tries to teach you dark rituals, which are also appealing to unmaterials beings, and you just have to REALLY believe that they work.

He makes the bold claim that all religions outside of christianity are heretic for the names they give to God, then he says that for rituals you have to chant the names of all dark gods humanity has known, meaning that he recognizes gods as entities that represent the same idea created by a collective conciousness among societies, but that doesn't apply to good gods because tee hee I'm edgy.

The one thing I agree with him is that he says that hot people live life on easy mode, and even then he tells you to stuff mackerel in your pocket to woo a girl who grew up in a fishing village. I am not kidding, this is an actual line, written in the part about black magic.

It was a fucking circus, a very compact circus that could fit in a backpack, it's not even occultism, it's just larping.

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>> No.19102049

>>19100382
Eyes wide shut is pleb tier
>The elites have sex with prostitutes
NOOOOOO

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>> No.19102056

Journey to the Center of the Earth (By Jules Verne)

The scientific science fiction of someone who lived a hundred years ago is very retrofuturistic and interesting to read about, like how it combines actual knowledge of geology at the time with biblical beliefs about antediluvian giants, but the actual "end" and the "mystery of the compass" after the epilogue was so retarded I hated the book for it. You literally could have just said "the compass switched polarity because we must have passed through the center of the Earth!" and the story would have had its payoff, but no, it didn't, and it was fucking lame.

>> No.19102071

>>19100091
literally at times
>that femdom scat scene

>> No.19102101

>>19098453
Dhalgren
Shit was so gay

>> No.19102112

>>19098453
The Bible
Years of delusion and angst

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>>19102112
I love edgy ladies

>> No.19102198

>>19098453
Catcher in the Rye. everyone has the debate about weather the main character is a good guy and like...from page one you can tell hes a total nutbar. Like, hes soooo inside his own head, and he over thinks shit and has this weird as fuck philosophy that makes him such a fuckin weirdo to the point of being a social outcast, and its not charming, not in the fucking slightest. I don't know why there even is one, its so clear that hes a sociopath.

>> No.19102208

>>19102198
post feet

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>>19102208

>> No.19102300

>>19102198
He rapes his sister, Phoebe.

>> No.19102329

>>19102198
t. woman
obvs some guy like that totally rejected you lmfao

>> No.19102356

>>19102329
You don’t get it.

>t. Woman
Here’s his feet >>19102231

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>>19098453
The Darkness That Comes Before.

>100 pages into first apocalypse book
>the love of one of pov character is literally selling her body while he watched her do so. she's standing on her balcony welcoming him back home, as she's fresh from the downdicking
>their big love story is actually pov character going after (but never finding) a sex customer that hurt the girl.
Dropped it after that and never looked back.

And after reading his blog, and how he talks about the "Trump-Media-Combine" or some other pseudo intellectual bullshit and that makes a rantpost about how he's an atheist and got bullied for it. Bakker might be one of the most embarrassing pseuds writers alive. He's obsessed with his self-image but routinely gets passed over by people in his fields. Not to mention the man is incapable of accepting any kind of criticism.
>dude your characters are all kinda shit and samey
>N-N-NO YOU DON'T FUCKING UNDERSTAND THEY WERE MEANT TO BE UNLIKABLE BUT ALSO FUCK CANADA WHY IS NOBODY SHILLING FOR MY BOOK IN THE MAINSTREAM I AM SO MISUNDERSTOOD REEEEEEEE

>> No.19102365

>>19102231
Nice legs. They'd look great on my shoulders.

>> No.19102385

>>19102356
there's nothin to get. women are memes.

>> No.19102390

>>19102361
Sounds like something only a Redditor would love.

>> No.19102427

>>19100409
Town of cats was a really fun short story. I bought a few short story collections after 1Q84 just because of town of cats, but good short stories are few and far between it seems.

>> No.19102476

>>19102365
Thanks. I'm very proud of my legs

>> No.19102483

The secret commonwealth, a sequel to the golden compass series. It was the most unpleasant thing I ever read. I'm actually reading fanfiction to try and forget about it. I went into it thinking i'd at least enjoy it like i did in my childhood when i read the original series.

There was a random explicit lesbian romance in the middle of it, attempted rape for some reason, Lyra and her daemon hate each other and fight all the time. Everyone is miserable. and some 60 year old dude has a crush on Lyra and keeps talking about how beautiful she is and how much he loves her, for some reason. I hated all the characters.
it's like all the characterizations went out the window. Some of the parts were interesting, but it should have been all new characters set in the same world. I think philip's getting senile after reading that horrible mess

>> No.19102587

>>19102198
He’s just like me!

>> No.19102592

>>19102198
>Catcher in the Rye.
Isn't that the story where the main character rapes his sister, Phoebe?

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>>19102587
>He’s just like me!

No. The closest posters from here are like is F Gardner.

Fact

>> No.19102614

>>19102604
Holy Kek. Can’t argue with that.

>> No.19102629

>>19102604
Strikes true on so many levels. I often see people here saying they’ll be the next Hemingway. Gardener has set the bar here. Unless you publish that’s the gold standard everyone here will be measured against.

>> No.19102635

>>19102604
>>19102629
Shame /wg/ denies him because he's a animefag. he's the only one that writes in that general.

>> No.19102662

Galápagos is reddit literally

>> No.19102804

>>19098477
I'm a total Murakami fag. I have read all of his novels, but even I think 1Q84 isn't good. It annoys me how many people read it and write off Murakami without trying Wind Up Bird or Kafka. The book isn't even "a bit overwritten": it has literally hundreds of pages that could be cut without losing anything. I have reread every other book this man has authored, but cannot muster even an urge to revisit 1Q84.

>> No.19102861

>>19098453
Anything by Robert Anton Wilson. I read five of his books. Utterly worthless, complete garbage, there's nothing else to say.
I originally was going to post that I didn't regret reading any books, even ones I disliked, until I remembered RAW.

>> No.19102912

>>19102604
based

>> No.19103128

Perdido Street Station

Jesus what a god-awful piece of shit.

>> No.19103156

>>19102604

All Gardrner did was buy some 4chan ads. Is it that easy? Anyone here could come up with some autist tier shit novella, make a laughably bad cover and then shill it with 4chan ads. Why isn't everyone doing this? I don't get it, I'm truly puzzled by the Gardner meme

>> No.19103178

>>19103156
He was the first to do it. Or at least the only one who has pursued it so aggressively. Call of the Crocodile has been out for a year and there's still threads about it. It also helped that it's really fucking bizzare (it has a weird twist and uses a lot of ideas from /x/ creepypastas.) Also the main thing that helps writers is writing new books. F Gardner has a shit ton at this point.
The only book I read of his is Croc btw. Not a Gardner historian. But I can see how he must've gained the success he has. It's fairly obvious when you think about it.

>> No.19103187

>>19100543
Ive read half of the BOTNS, but I don't understand it. I've never read comlete Bible or any other Christian text. Should I drop it and come back to it later?

>> No.19103402

>>19103128
Can you suggest the good ones by miéville?

>> No.19103405

>>19103187
Stop reading genre fiction.

>> No.19103533

>>19098453
the fountainhead; filled with autistically nietzschean tryhard

>> No.19103929

>>19100091
Kek basically

>> No.19103959

malazan book of the fallen

so fucking good it sits at the top of fantasy for me

so fucking bad it will destroy your standards of fantasy. like after reading it other fantasy would be so lame

>> No.19104353

>>19098483
ngmi sweetie

>> No.19104376

I'm on book 5 of 7 of the Dark Tower. The first was great, the second was good, the third was fantastic but the fourth and fifth fucking suck hard and I have two to go. Sunk-reading fallacy is pushing me to finish the series even though I'm not enjoying it but I heard parts of the last book are good so we'll see I guess. King was better on cocaine.

>> No.19104380

>>19102055
18+

>> No.19104412

>>19098453
Definitely The Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. Everyone knows that Jekyll is Hyde nowadays and I had no idea before I started reading the book that that this was the big shocking plot twist at the end of it. I have no idea why I even finished it when I came to realise this. I don't even know if it would have been a good twist or not back when the book was published but it sure as fuck isn't now.

>> No.19104422

>>19100091
it's not shit, the structure of the episodes is one of the most meticulous of any novel ever written, if you can't see it that's not Pynchon's fault

>> No.19104445

>>19098453
Tai Pei was Waldun level bullshit you guys memed me into buying and I'll never forgive you.

>> No.19104722

>>19100085
Unironically filtered.

>> No.19104927

>>19098453
The Eragon series I guess? I was a child though, I didn't know better.

Really I can name books that I was underwhelmed by or wish Id read at some other point in my life, but no books that I absolutely regret reading.
Except actually, I just remembered I read all the Song of Ice and Fire books. Last two were rather boring and the series is probably never going to be finished, so that's my pick

>> No.19105145

>>19098453
almost all of fiction, but especially The American Psycho.
it left me with a certain expectation for further books, for them to be read like ads or something.
really detrimental to my writing style as well (not a writer, but in general).

>> No.19105203

>>19105145
That's a weird opinion
Did you read American Psycho while young or something?

>> No.19105292

>>19105203
yeah, I enjoyed reading from an early age and read it in the summer when I was about 14-15, it helped me to start working out and kinda discipline myself about it, but besides that it was just generally a bad book to read

>> No.19105460

>>19098477
I have very fond memories of 1Q84. Murakami has a strong handle on archetypes. Sometimes I like to imagine the NHK fee collector knocking on my door

>> No.19105592

>>19105292
That's a weird age to read that book, and that's a weird takeaway from it, kek
It's funny tho