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What was the peak of western civilization and what has/is causing its downfall?

>> No.19093856

>>19093849
>peak
idk maybe rome or greece
>downfall
started with reformation

>> No.19093858

>>19093849
start with the greeks

>> No.19093867

>>19093849
Greco-roman civilization is different from Western civilization. What's causing its downfall? Read Spengler.

>> No.19093869

>>19093849
>>19093856
>>19093858
Id say some time between 1700-1912.
I would wager maybe 1800s or thereabouts.

>> No.19093880

The decline is caused by many things. You could say Romanticism or Impressionism was the start. Postmodernism and Cultural Marxism were the biggest blows. The internet and capitalism.

>> No.19093884

>>19093880
>You could say Romanticism or Impressionism was the start
Why?

>> No.19093886

>>19093849
Peak
Nazi Germany
Downfall
poor supply chain managment.

>> No.19093898

>>19093884
Rejection of reason and rationality

>> No.19093904

>>19093898
Didn't sentimentality create the best art?

>> No.19093907
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>>19093884
The start of postmodernism

>> No.19093916

>>19093907
>>19093849
The end of seriousness and the beginning of the age of irony

>> No.19093930

>>19093904
How?

>> No.19093957

>>19093916
This but ironically

>> No.19093964

>>19093916
so post-WWII?

>> No.19093965

>>19093849
>peak of western civilization
Probably Classical era Greece, or republican Rome.
>what has/is causing its downfall?
Nihilism.

>> No.19093970

>>19093965
>Probably Classical era Greece, or republican Rome.
Not Western. That was a posterior civilization.

>> No.19093981

>>19093964
That's when it began yes. The meaninglessness of actual war in face of an object (atom bomb) that would make any kind of actual fight between soldiers look like a LARP definitely plays a role, yes

>> No.19093985

>>19093849
>western civilization
no such thing

>> No.19093986

>>19093849


THERE ARE NO SUCH THINGS AS: «WESTERN CIVILIZATION», NOR: «WESTERN CULTURE»; THESE SPURIOUS TERMS ARE, RESPECTIVELY, INAPTRONYMS FOR: «PROTESTANTSPHERE», AND: «PROTESTANT MORES».

INSTEAD OF AN IMAGE DEPICTING A STATUE OF OCTAVIVS AVGVSTVS YOU SHOULD HAVE ATTACHED ONE DEPICTING MARTIN LUTHER, OR JOHN CALVIN.

THE PROTESTANTSPHERE REACHED ITS VILE CVLMEN IN THE SECOND THIRD OF XX CENTURY; IT IS DECAYING DUE TO THE VILENESS OF ITS OWN PRINCIPLES; IT WAS BUILT ON THE FOUNDATIONS OF ITS OWN FILTH; SOME CLAIM THAT IT IS DECAYING DUE TO POSTMODERNISM, MODERNISM, ROMANTICISM, ILLUSTRISM, BUT THESE ARE ALL INTRINSICAL PHASES OF ITS HISTORICAL DEVELOPMENT, NOT CORRUPTOGENOUS FACTORS EXTRINSICAL TO IT.

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>>19093916
Further elaboration:

>> No.19093996

>>19093986
>THERE ARE NO SUCH THINGS AS: «WESTERN CIVILIZATION», NOR: «WESTERN CULTURE»
Elaborate.

>> No.19093998

>>19093986
Go back to /x/ schizo

>> No.19094004

>>19093849
>[our society] used to be great!
>but now it's only a shadow of its zenith...
This sounds familiar

>> No.19094015

>>19094004
>Bad people made observation x is so observation x is inherently untrue and evil.
Midwit take

>> No.19094019

>>19093986
Stop posting

>> No.19094022

>>19093996


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CONTINUE READING THE REST OF THE POST.

>> No.19094031

>>19093986
the worst fucking tripfag I swear. I can never read more than one line because he sucks so much.

>> No.19094201

>>19094015
>>Bad people
Missing the point.

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>>19093849
The peak of all civilization is the present moment. Its downfall will be the inevitable eco-castrophe that will destroy it. This is a good thing.

>> No.19094359

>>19093849
There is a book/essay on this, specifically on why empires fall, what are the signs it will fall and so on.

The Fate of Empires and Search for Survival - John Bagot Glubb. It's only 52 pages and you can find it online, I have never seen a physical copy being sold (if anyone sees one, please let me know).

>> No.19094405

>>19093849
Periclean Athens tbqh. Late medieval England and Italy were also exceedingly based.

>> No.19094411

>>19093849
The peak of Western civilization was.... I dunno bro. I have this idea that the "Western Golden Age" was from the 1410s to 1945 AD. There were certainly hard times in that timespan, and Western greatness outside of it, but from 1492 to 1945 the West was far and away the greatest civilization in the world, and technologically no one came close. The 1410s was when the Age of Discovery began in Portugal and Spain. 1945 was when the West lay in ruins and the rest of the world caught up, leading to decolonization and the end of Western hegemony. Maybe you could say 1999 instead of 1945, because the Western empires survived de jure until Portugal handed Macau over to China.

Do I feel bad about it? Not really. I don't see myself as a Westerner, The West arose from the ashes of the Late Bronze Age collapse and the fall of the Ancient Near East civilization. In the same way, I was born here and now to be the founder of a new civilization, the Homer to the next great civilization. I do mourn the West, I do wish that it didn't die. But it did die, and we must move forward.

>> No.19094437

>>19094341
The fact that Chad Haag is on this macro means either he personally created it or the creator just picked recommended stuff off of amazon.

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>>19093849
France's Belle Époque in the late 19th century.

>> No.19094561

We peaked in the 1980s, and have been freefalling since then.

>> No.19094590

>>19093849
Peak: When the Italians ruled everything
Downfall: When the Jews ruled everything

>> No.19094594

>>19093986
Anglo devils seething. They fuck up everything and then blame everyone in the west. Absolute scum.

>> No.19094599

>>19093898
>reason and rationality
But these are precisely the causes of the downfall.

>> No.19094602

>>19094594
Anglo haters are universally just too afraid to talk about Jews so they pretend it's all the anglos

>> No.19094634

>>19094602
Can you remind me who gave israel to the jews? What's the country on earth that can't stop making wars to defend israel?
Anglos are the jew enablers. Cope.

>> No.19094654

>>19094634
It was the Dutch who let them get a foothold. They weren't even allowed in England for 400 years

>> No.19094691

Peaked with Alexander. Declined with the assasination of Seleucus. Also not /lit/

>> No.19095944

>>19093898
Refuted by Guenon and Nietzsche

>> No.19095974

>>19094004
>>19094201
Just woundering. if we are at point x. and there is, lets say, 7 more or less distinct points before point x, wouldnt it be likely that one of those other 7 would have arelitive "greatness" in some capacity related to ours? Unless greatness is a strict function of the linear progression of time, there is probability that a "high point", in after the fact consideration was there.