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so let me get this straight Anonymous Fri Sep 17 19:50:34 2021 No.19070717 [Reply] [Original]

there have only been two truly "great" men in the entire history of philosophy: plato and Kant. Am I wrong? Can you name literally one philosopher who wasn't a derivative of one or the other, directly or indirectly, who didn't just ride their coattails, who would have existed at all if it weren't for those two, who wasn't just a result of their influence?
>Aristotle
derivative of Plato
>Plotinus, proclus, etc
derivative of plato
>Augustine
derivative of plato
>Aquinas, averroes, etc
derivative of aristotle, therefore plato
>the empricists (locke, hume, bacon)
reactionaries to plato and aristotle, therefore to plato
>leibniz
he comes close to being original, but did nothing truly revolutionary
>wolff
close, but nowhere near plato and kant
>fichte, schelling, hegel
derivative of kant
>schopenhauer
derivative of kant
>nietzsche
derivative of schopenhauer, therefore kant
>heidegger
derivative of nietzsche and hegel, therefore of kant

It seems like true genius is one in billions. Even all these other geniuses are just brain children of the real, original thinkers. I literally can see nothing truly original and new between plato and kant and after kant, except the empiricists, but even though they were new, they were still derivatives because they were reactionaries to the thought created by plato.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 19:53:47 2021 No.19070728 >>19070717 wow you've got it all figured out

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 19:59:33 2021 No.19070755 >>19070728 it seems I do

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 20:00:43 2021 No.19070762 >>19070717 the buddha, jesus

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 20:01:44 2021 No.19070766 >>19070762 and the guys who wrote the upanishads

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Anonymous Fri Sep 17 20:04:00 2021 No.19070784

>>19070766
They're just derivatives of the Buddha and/or derivatives of the Jains, who you could make an argument are also whom the Buddha derives from. It's a bad argument, but you can make it.

Anyways, I'm going to say one guy from India and one guy from China. The Chinese guy can be Confucius (but, hmm, perhaps he's just derivative of Sagacius Zhu, who was just derivative of the Sage Wen... hmm...). We could also add one guy from Mesoamerica to be fair, because we know they had smart dudes, even if we lack most (but not all) of their works.

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Anonymous Fri Sep 17 20:11:02 2021 No.19070813

>>19070762
ok I can probably grant this, I think the category I'm looking for is people so great the spawn other great people, like Alexander inspires Caesar and Napoleon, Jesus comes and suddenly all these people John, Paul, seem to tap into their own ability, that must have been there but had to be activated by someone "truly" great.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 20:12:21 2021 No.19070819 >>19070784 wow, this is embarrassing, the Upanishads predate the Buddha by centuries

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 21:28:22 2021 No.19071238 kant is extremely derivative of plato it’s all p much either plato or spinoza or nietzsche

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 21:34:27 2021 No.19071277 >>19070717 Socrates

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 18 02:16:29 2021 No.19072392 Mt Stupid post

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 18 02:25:25 2021 No.19072429 Freud.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 18 02:37:26 2021 No.19072468 >>19070717 >so let me get this straight Stoped reading right there

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS Sat Sep 18 02:41:27 2021 No.19072478 File: 139 KB, 600x401, B6849C58-81AF-4392-A6C3-119A4CC968AE.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >dog posting

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 18 02:43:38 2021 No.19072486 >>19070717 you have to be 18+ and also have actually read philosophy

>>	None !!lZetafI6z8s Sat Sep 18 02:43:41 2021 No.19072487 >>19072478 you're not the real caterpillar are u

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Anonymous Sat Sep 18 02:47:30 2021 No.19072500

>>19070717
Wolff is a major influencer and predecessor of Kant, unacknowledged by Kant. And then you have Hume, the acknowledged predecessor. Wolff studied under Leibniz, who had his Aristotle and Plato read.
It is Platos all the way down.
No Plato - no philosophy as we know it, only bullshit and simulacra.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 18 02:55:20 2021 No.19072527 Hermes The people that created and contributed to all ancient religions.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 18 02:59:11 2021 No.19072537 >>19070717 >>Aristotle >derivative of Plato read him please >>heidegger >derivative of nietzsche and hegel, therefore of kant you legit have no idea what youre talking about

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS Sat Sep 18 04:32:44 2021 No.19072712 File: 64 KB, 515x752, DFD45C9B-0B15-4630-B7BF-3D445C09960B.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19072487 I am. Are you the real Zeta?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 18 08:11:40 2021 No.19073244 >>19070717 >>fichte, schelling, hegel: derivative of kant They literally all refuted Kant

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 18 08:16:52 2021 No.19073256 Kant is derivative of Protagoras.