books too controversial for modern day people

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[Anonymous No.19060609]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_unworthy_of_life

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[Anonymous No.19060646]

>>19060605
An interesting question is whether modern people are morally superior than those who in their day believed such things. People today pride themselves on their morals while believing in the most patently absurd things. Who was right?

[Anonymous No.19060704]

>>19060646
They were right. Human life has no inherent, universal worth. We westerns act like there is such a thing only because our societies are permeated with christian sentiment. But this view is highly unpractical, has no basis in reality and ignores concrete circumstances. If we enable all cripples to breed we will have real, negative evolutionary consequences (already have actually, like loss of iq and raise of mental illnesses) that will affect our culture (ideals, morals that stem from stupidity, weakness etc). Serious politics of the future will have to acknowledge these problems and will have to adopt some kind of eugenics program.

[Anonymous No.19060744]

>>19060704
you clearly have no grasp of how population genetics work
without selsective pressure which promote "cripple" genes, they do not spread and multiply, it is just like shuffling the exactly the same cards around and around again

[Anonymous No.19060754]

>>19060744
its not that there is selection pressure that propagates "cripple" genes, the point is that due to our advance in medicine and because of our prevailing morality "cripple" genes are no longer selected agaisn't as it was before. And this "improvement" has negative, dysgenic consequences.

[Anonymous No.19060761]

>>19060754
where is the problem if a stable 1% percent is crippled?

[Anonymous No.19060776]

>>19060761
I'm not talking about literally crippled, disabled people. The fact is that more weaker people live on to adulthood than pre medicine revolution which basically wiped out infant mortality. The mechanism of infant mortality would wipe out those, who were not strong enough and it was a harsh selection process, since it was literally 50/50 if the child will live on. In our days weakness just has more chance of surviving and spreading out in culture.

[Anonymous No.19060788]

>>19060776
>weakness just has more chance of surviving and spreading out in culture.
in the west we have basically no selective pressure regarding "weakness/strenghth" only selection pressure regarding social abilities which just means that weakness and strenghth does not spread or decrease
I ask again where is the problem?

[Anonymous No.19060825]

>>19060788
I'm talking in relative terms. In relation to older times, (pre infant morality reduction) we have 50 percent higher chance of those, who would have died in earlier times, living on. Physically and mentally weak people survive more often that before. Again, I'm not talking about positive selective pressure that you keep repeating. I'm talking about disappearance of negative selective pressure (infant mortality).

My problem is that today's culture is the product of weakness that dominates. Our cultural, moral ideals are oriented towards securing and propagating the existence of midwits and disadvantaged (compare with ideals and morality of ancient greeks/romans, where infant mortality was very high, so high that parents would not name their children some weeks after the birth and where securing the existence of healthy, strong children was prevalent due to social necessity). I just have a suspicion that high culture can not flourish in these settings.

[Anonymous No.19060827]

>>19060761
The problem is that healthy people tend to die more before having kids, because they join the army, take part in risky activities, etc., whereas the crippled and weak stay at home, breed like rabbits, and use up welfare incessantly. This imbalance gradually leads to a dysgenic increase in the disabled percentage. The selective pressure FOR disabled is essentially welfare, the pleasure of sex over other non-disabled activities, and the tendency of lower humans to value sex and reproduction over higher activities.

[Anonymous No.19060881]

>>19060609
>written by two people who had zero Nazi ties [one dying well before Nazis took control and the other critical of the Nazis] and before the Nazi party controlled Germany
>but because Nazis took some of its ideas, it's thus a Nazi phrase and conception wholly

What did they mean by this?

[Anonymous No.19060888]

>>19060881
Its funny, because german scholars even copied some of american eugenic ideas pre Nazi era. Americans would literally castrated ill bred people. And now people things about eugenics as something peculiar to nazi politics.

[Anonymous No.19060895]

>>19060704
Lmao look at this dude

[Anonymous No.19060901]

>>19060605
anyone has a pdf?

[Anonymous No.19061011]

>>19060895
le epic sarcastic attitude that covers lack of point

[Anonymous No.19061029]

>>19061011
you're an edgy nazi apologist in the 21st century
wake up Hans. your side lost

[Anonymous No.19061057]

>>19060704
By saying that human life has no inherent value, one actually cannot conclude that people with disabilities should have a lesser right to live.

You know, because the argument that they have a lesser right to live stems from the idea that their lives are less valuable which is all built on the idea that there is inherent value to human life.

No value -> no euthanasia for disabled people.

[Anonymous No.19061067]

>>19061029
I'm not though, unless you are so retarded as to equate any eugenics politics with nazism.

[Anonymous No.19061083]

>>19061057
no inherent universal value =/= no value at all. Their worth comes from society and if society deems them as unworth of life, then they are unworthy. The same problem arises in law, where the distinction between universal and positive law exists.

[Anonymous No.19061084]

Think what a sensible government could do with a little bit of eugenic refinement of its people: no more tards, ugmos, gingers (male).

[Anonymous No.19061091]

>>19061083
I wonder what "society" would think of this 4chan boad

[Anonymous No.19061191]

>>19061091
I'm sure it would say a lot about it, if it became a societal problem

[Anonymous No.19061419]

>They were right. Human life has no inherent, universal worth. We westerns act like there is such a thing only because our societies are permeated with christian sentiment. But this view is highly unpractical, has no basis in reality and ignores concrete circumstances. If we enable all cripples to breed we will have real, negative evolutionary consequences (already have actually, like loss of iq and raise of mental illnesses) that will affect our culture (ideals, morals that stem from stupidity, weakness etc). Serious politics of the future will have to acknowledge these problems and will have to adopt some kind of eugenics program.

[Anonymous No.19061549]

>>19060605
Any book that challenges the neo-liberal power structure.

[Anonymous No.19061558]

>>19061549
Klaus Schwab - COVID-19: The Great Reset

[Anonymous No.19061571]

>>19060744
There is differential fertility favoring low IQ

[Anonymous No.19061604]

>>19060704
Think about why morals are important and practical.
>loss of iq and raise of mental illnesses
No such things, you've been lied to.

[Anonymous No.19061650]

>>19061604
morals are important and practical from a certain perspective, to certain people. There are no morals that could be important and practical universally, across time and space. That's why I say our current christianity influenced morality is blind to concrete here and now problems that we face.
>No such things, you've been lied to.
Just because you close your eyes and lull yourself to sleep does not mean that certain problems do not exists. Read Modernity and Cultural Decline: A Biobehavioral Perspective.

[Anonymous No.19061689]

>>19060605
Triumph of the Will
Myth of the 20th Century
Politische Theologie
On the Jews and their Lies
The Culture of Critique
Considerations on France
Camp of the Saints

[Anonymous No.19061720]

>>19061604
>>loss of iq and raise of mental illnesses
>No such things, you've been lied to.
i guess you've never real seen Rick and Morty, or at least haven't understood it

[Anonymous No.19061866]

>>19061650
>Just because you close your eyes and lull yourself to sleep does not mean that certain problems do not exists. Read Modernity and Cultural Decline: A Biobehavioral Perspective.
The IQ has been increasing, I'm not going to refute an entire book after I already caught you on bullshit and ignorance. In any case you will also have to connect this to your ideas, but I doubt you even think it's necessary.

[Anonymous No.19061877]

>>19060704
Ever look up how many artists (especially writers) had full-blown schizophrenic ancestors/kids? Eradicating mental illness would probably cost society more than it would gain.

[Anonymous No.19062046]

>>19061866
>The IQ has been increasing
it has been increasing due to enviromental factors (better living conditions). This fact accounts for the Flynn effect. But it is observed, that Flynn effect has stopped/is on reverse in some well developed countries. There are other factors that decrease general intelligence (such as lower amount of highly intelligent women having offsprings due to contraception/career/modern ideals). Woodley of Menie has called this co-occurence model, since both increase and decrease can be posited, but the first trend is stopping, since out living conditions have reached its peak. Not to say about the distinction between s and g components of iq and how g has been silently on the decrease. Would suggest you to read more about it, but you seem to be already set on your worldview.

[Anonymous No.19063640]

>>19060605

[Anonymous No.19063727]

>>19060888
>Its funny, because german scholars even copied some of american eugenic ideas pre Nazi era. Americans would literally castrated ill bred people. And now people things about eugenics as something peculiar to nazi politics.

Yes. There is an excellent book on this subject, quite readable and fascinating:
Martin S. Pernick, The Black Stork: Eugenics and the Death of "Defective" Babies in American Medicine and Motion Pictures since 1915 (Oxford University Press, 1999)

[Anonymous No.19064387]

>>19060744
A lack of selective pressure for socially valued traits is dysgenic because mutational load will accumulate. This is not to speak of race, IQ, fertility rates, and mass immigration.

[Anonymous No.19064910]

>>19060605
The Holy Bible. I expect the gays and Jews to have it banned.

[Anonymous No.19065061]

>>19061689
>Myth of the 20th Century

> In private Adolf Hitler said: "I must insist that Rosenberg's The Myth of the Twentieth Century is not to be regarded as an expression of the official doctrine of the party."[3] Hitler was quoted as calling it "mysticist nonsense" and Goebbels put it down as "ideological belch".[4] Hitler objected to Rosenberg's paganism.

interesting

[Anonymous No.19065075]

These

[Anonymous No.19065177]

>>19065075
I talked to the guy and he went on and on about how his books haven't been given a cum tribute and how he's upset that it hasn't happened.

I'm pretty sure that such tributes open a portal to hell and victims become characters in his novels. That's why there has never been any evidence of a Gardner cum tribute and why he eggs us on to "complete" them.

Gardner is a devil-worshipping psychopath who uses 4chan and cum tributes to trap souls. He then uses the souls to generate novels.

[Anonymous No.19065388]

>>19060704
Huh. So life has no value or meaning? Then who gives a fuck about IQ decreasing or mental illness spreading? My death is for all intents and purposes the end of the universe.

[Anonymous No.19065397]

>>19061083
Why the fuck would society deem that? You're envisioning a society whose interests correspond with some meaningless Darwinian drive, where every individual understands that it has no value for them or their loved ones and in fact may be detrimental to their lives and the lives if their loved ones.

[Anonymous No.19065405]

>>19065177
I thought Gardener was religious? If anything I bet he’d be pissed if someone did a Cum tribute.

[Anonymous No.19065448]

>>19061419
>Nick Land

I don't know why people find this depressed fedora-tipping lunatic so appealing.

[Anonymous No.19065472]

The bible