/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.19054660]

Say what you will about either Zizek or Peterson; you must admit the merit of introducing the zoomers to real philosophy.

[Anonymous No.19054670]

>>19054660
that's the worst part about them.

[Anonymous No.19054671]

>>19054660
Define "real philosophy"
But sure, I get your point. They could be a gateway to "real" philosophy.

[Anonymous No.19054691]

>>19054671
As in, without them, zoomers would probably stick to shallow YouTube edutainment like Vsauce or Contrapoints.

[Anonymous No.19054775]

this was a good debate because both guys have a similar ratio of good points to being completely full of shit. 4 hours of Peterson admitting he hasn't read any Marx outside of the manifesto and Zizek giving a mostly unrelated talk he would have given in any context interspersed with him calling Peterson a moron. 10/10 would watch again.

[Anonymous No.19054825]

>>19054660
that's like saying 'its okay to encourage children to read harry potter tier books because they atleast read something'
in the words of harold bloom'let them not read mediocrity'

[Anonymous No.19054866]

>>19054775
He called him a moron? All I heard was a bunch of pandering from both sides the whole time
>oh isn't it so wonderful that we can all come together and have a conversation, my good sir I venerate thee!

[Anonymous No.19054877]

>>19054660
difficult to watch with the friends laugh track in the background

[Anonymous No.19054899]

>>19054660
I still haven't even seen this. Triggered Anthony Fantano, I remember. Is it good? I don't know, maybe I'll just have to watch it.

[Anonymous No.19054937]

>>19054670
kek

[Anonymous No.19054944]

>>19054899
No, it wasn't good

[Anonymous No.19054974]

Peterson doesn't know shit about philosophy tough.

[Anonymous No.19054988]

>>19054899
Worth a watch but it's not what'd you'd hope for.

[Anonymous No.19055016]

>>19054660
In a way, it is good because my deeply loved philosophy department is dying so we need more people to be interested in philosophy. On the other hand, I see new students choosing immature topics to research. There is a girl a few years younger than me how wants to write her thesis about harry potter.

[Fatana !NJJJCUcX7I No.19055020]

What is Zizek contribution to philosophy that's not just memes? Quiero decir nada pero ...

[Anonymous No.19055031]

>>19055016
*who

[Anonymous No.19055035]

Peterson literally started with Nietzsche instad of the greeks. He's peak boomer.

[Anonymous No.19055056]

>>19055035
Imagine your criticism of someone being that they didn't fall for a 4chan meme.

[Anonymous No.19055092]

>>19055020
I'm not an expert on Zizek but just off the top of my head. Reading Hegel trough Lacan. Offering an interesting reading of cartesian dualism. He also has really good criticism of the French post modernists and post modernism in general
You also have is theological side but i don't know anything about that.
He certainly is a serious philosopher unlike Peterson.

[Anonymous No.19055140]

>>19055092
>philosopher
Has Peterson ever claimed to be as such? He's a psychologist first by amy self description I've heard.

[Anonymous No.19055149]

>>19055031
*rebbit

[Anonymous No.19055377]

>>19054660
It's just funny how Peterson does not follow his own rules/advice.

>set your house in PERFECT order before your criticize the world
>got addicted to benzos and came near death
>still doesn't stop him from decrying how the neo-marxist postmodernists are destroying the world

>do your homework
>procrastinated and crammed a pamphlet to a Marxist debate the last day

[Anonymous No.19055392]

Neither of them are real philosophers or serious intellectuals.
Zizek is a funny meme man promoting Marxist and globalhomo agendas.
Peterson is a motivational speaker promoting liberal and globalhomo agendas.

[Anonymous No.19055393]

Has Peterson read Hegel? If not then he will miss a good amount of what Zizek is saying

[Anonymous No.19055407]

Jay Dyer would BTFO both of them.

[Anonymous No.19055431]

>>19054660
I don't know if zoomers really care or even about them though
None of the zoomers I've seen seem to have any care for anything resembling philosophy at all

[Anonymous No.19055466]

>>19054660
That's like saying Harry Potter novels are good because they got kids into reading

[Anonymous No.19055500]

>>19055431
Plenty of extremely online uni aged zoomers into Peterson and Zizek because of memes and youtube compilations. Peterson became a hero of the "anti SJW" Shapiro crowd. Think incels who wear ahegao shirts to school, nasal voiced debate kids and the like.

Zizek appeals to undergrads and socialist larpers, which is trendy right now with young people.

[Anonymous No.19055537]

>>19055393
>anglos
>reading hegel

[Anonymous No.19055567]

Why does Ben Shapiro have such a nasally girly voice

[Anonymous No.19055595]

Both Peterson and Zizek are very middlebrow and neither of them have very sophisticated arguments.
Peter Sloterdijk would own both of them.

[Anonymous No.19055600]

>>19055377
He constantly admits that he struggles to follow them just like everyone else you stupid fucking idiot

[Anonymous No.19055616]

>>19054660
Never thought of it like that. That's a really good point

[Anonymous No.19055622]

>>19055377
The real irony is that Peterson himself is a postmodernist. He doesn't even have a solid grasp of what truth is. His definition of "truth" is just whatever is evolutionarily beneficial. He literally said "what is truth?" in a debate and dismissed any sense of metaphysical universals in favor of total pragmatism.

[Anonymous No.19055644]

>>19054660
I know they helped introduce me to philosophy. They should absolutely exist and are overall a good thing for society (except Zizek)

[Anonymous No.19055651]

>>19055622
There really is nothing redeeming about Peterson. Hes just a walking contradiction.

[Anonymous No.19055676]

>>19055651
Jay Dyer has made really good critiques of Jordan Peterson and classical liberalism from a traditionalist and Orthodox Christian perspective.

[Anonymous No.19055704]

>>19054899
How did it trigger fagtano?

[Anonymous No.19055725]

>>19055676
I know. I'm a big Jay fan as well.

[Anonymous No.19055739]

>>19055725
I want to join the Orthodox Church because I think it is the one true church, but there is no Orthodox Church anywhere near me and I live with my parents and my situation doesn't really allow me to go anywhere.
I don't know what to do.

[Anonymous No.19055753]

>>19054660
They should have talked about Jung vs Lacan since that is where their actual knowledge intersects

[Anonymous No.19055771]

>>19054660
>sniffly jew
>nasaly jew voice
Do people actually listen to these hacks?
As a zoomer, I attribute none of my interest in philosophy to these quacks. Rather, my interest was piqued by the likes of HHH, Sadler, a handful of professors, /lit/, and, of course, the greeks.

[Anonymous No.19055795]

>>19055771
you have no idea how bad this sounds

[Anonymous No.19055807]

>>19055795
No, I understand completely.

[Anonymous No.19056092]

>>19055600
Maybe his entire philosophy is shit. Ever thought about that?

[Anonymous No.19056096]

>>19054660
lol

[Anonymous No.19056099]

>>19054660

[Anonymous No.19056137]

>>19055140
He's never claimed to be a philosopher. Ever. He always introduces himself as a Clinical Psychologist (except for the time he referred to himself as an Evolutionary Biologist, which was hilarious). He has an undergraduate understanding of philosophy which he maximizes by mixing together a melange of psychopharmacology and Jungian analysis. It can be a fun synthesis, but that's about it.

[Anonymous No.19056145]

>>19054899
It has abysmal sound quality because the microphones are garbage and Zizek keeps snorting in mucus like he has a permanent cold as always. I've met cokeheads and amphetamine junkies who snort less than he does. I don't know how anyone can listen to this shit for more than five minutes.
Along with this you have to listen to the crowd cheering everytime one of them finishes a point. They behave like they're at a boxing match or something.

[Anonymous No.19056159]

>>19054899
>Triggered Anthony Fantano, I remember
who the fuck cares about that bald faggot

[Anonymous No.19056349]

>>19056092
yes

[Anonymous No.19056355]

>>19055739
are you literally me? How old are you, what is your family like and what is your education?

[Anonymous No.19056362]

>>19056349
Peterson wouldn't want to hurt you (or anybody else for that matter), you know.

[Anonymous No.19056422]

>>19056362
Then why is he so explicitly anti-white

[Anonymous No.19056508]

>>19054691
>zoomers would probably stick to shallow YouTube edutainment like Vsauce or Contrapoints.
implying these two hack frauds didn't drive the zoomers into these hackier frauds

[Anonymous No.19056698]

Peterson pushing far right "cultural marxism" conspiracies is one of his biggest pitfalls. He unwittingly is doing work for fascists with that rhetoric.

[Anonymous No.19056707]

>>19054691
contrapoints actually knows philosophy, unlike peterson

[Anonymous No.19056716]

>>19054825
bloom sucks, you need to read virtue ethics

[Anonymous No.19056727]

>>19055016
yes i'm very sure you are a professor and not some channer trying to guess what philosophy undergrads are like

[Anonymous No.19056739]

>>19056707
Knows philosophy? Contra couldn't even comprehend Blanchard's (accurate) Typology and deflected with anecdotes. A degree is meaningless without the ability to process new information.

[Anonymous No.19056747]

>>19054660
that debate wasnt philosophy. that was two shitthrowers throwing shit over each others heads intentionally so that neither would be able to answer a question due to lack of scholarly knowledge in the other's field.

It was pure obfuscationism and beating around the bush.

[Anonymous No.19056750]

>>19056092
Nietzsche failed to follow his own philosophy, ever thought about that? I don’t care for Peterstein in the slightest, but your argument is a meme

[Anonymous No.19056761]

Peterson is a psychologist. Zizek is a philosopher. The debate only happened because the internet memers wanted to see it and they knew they could make money off of it

[Anonymous No.19056762]

>>19056739
knows philosophy =/= is an expert on every philosophy topic she ever talks about. she did graduate study on kant's aesthetics and has never erred on that as far as i know. she tends to just get continental philosophy wrong

[Anonymous No.19056775]

>>19056762
>she tends to just get continental philosophy wrong
also, sometimes she doesn't even get it wrong when r/badphilosophy grad student types think she does. she is just trying to explain philosophy to laymen which is pretty difficult without butchering the ideas

[Anonymous No.19056784]

>>19056698
retard

[Anonymous No.19056800]

>>19056698
gaslighting faggot
I don't even like Peterstein but cultural Marxism is real.

[Anonymous No.19056811]

>>19056800
>>19056784
Cultural Marxism is an anti semitic conspiracy theory that originated with the Nazis "cultural bolshevism" concept

[Anonymous No.19056823]

>>19056800
where are the marxists?

[Anonymous No.19056827]

>>19056762
>>19056775
Its a man not a woman.

[Anonymous No.19056836]

>>19056811
>this nigga hasn’t read Gramsci

[Anonymous No.19056841]

>>19056836
Neither has Peterson or the rightoids that go on about "cultural Marxism"

[Anonymous No.19056844]

>>19056823
In France

[Anonymous No.19056850]

>>19056841
Meh, doesn’t matter if they have or not, the ideas of Debord, Gramsci, Spectres of Marx are basically the Marxist scare in a nutshell

[Anonymous No.19056861]

>>19056827
nah she's a woman, see here: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/feminism-trans/

[Anonymous No.19056867]

>>19056861
>this Stanford article proves male socialisation is a myth
How about no

[Anonymous No.19056891]

>>19056861
It's amazing that people allowed this, even as a qualification. Everything about American culture is dying. I just want some to jack me into a Matrix-esque program pre-2010.

[Anonymous No.19056912]

>>19056698

Go back.

[Anonymous No.19056914]

>>19056811
But it's true.
"Conspiracy theory" was coined by the CIA to discredit anyone who disagrees with the established narrative.

[Anonymous No.19056938]

>>19056811
And? You haven't shown why it's wrong.

[Anonymous No.19056956]

Frankfurt School = cultural Marxism

[Anonymous No.19057005]

>>19056422
Because he is a boomer liberal

[Anonymous No.19057089]

>>19054660
>introducing the zoomers to real philosophy
>merit
pick one, lmao

[Anonymous No.19057110]

>>19054660
>Nietzsche
>Marx
>Real Philosophy
anon…

[Anonymous No.19057171]

>>19056750
That's because you're a retard and lack understanding. Jordan Peterson is conceding to the counter argument with his actions. Zizek pointed this out in their debate. Peterson realizes it's not enough to just tell others to clean their room. He feels compelled to go out there and talk about these societal ills that exist in the world cause there are larger forces at play here the individual alone can not surmount.. Yet he decries when other people do the same thing. It's a clear contradiction.