Phenomenological-Falsifiability Argument for God the Holy Spirit

[Holy-Spirit-Worshiping Alice-R(...) !!pm4Oxc+6gxa No.19051067]

The major premise is that philosophical devices used for the comprehension of the particular are unlikely to comprehend the universal or itself. E.g , microscopes may see the minute, but alone they are unlikely to comprehend the the petri dish if they are not recognised in the first place. Similarly, we cannot comprehend a war simply by examining one entire battle - the Battle of Stalingrad alone cannot give us a recognition of the Eastern Front and it is unlikely a soldier who died in Stalingrad can truly comprehend the full Eastern Front including Bagration. A telescope may see outer space, but it highly unlikely to see itself by itself. In summary a minor premise cannot know or recognise the entire syllogism on its own. "The particular can only comprehend the universal by phenomenologically examining itself."

The minor premise is that the natural sciences, in particular, Popper's theory of falsification is highly unlikely to perceive God, because it is a device for reductive, exact, quantums of understanding. Falsifiability has yet to examine itself. Yet, Scripture tells us at Isaiah 11:1-2, the Gifts of the Holy Spirit:

>And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:

>And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord;

Now, philosophy is the love of wisdom, which may yet lead to true wisdom. "Knowledge" may correspond to the sciences, even the natural ones. The problem here is that the Gifts of the Holy Spirit encompass both philosophy and the sciences - arguably they are elements of the Holy Spirit Himself. And yet it admits to physical truth, truth in the natural sciences, corresponding to the Gospel of John 16:13 thus:

> Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

>The Gospel of Luke 17:20 - 17:21 "And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you."

NB, Pharisees to Karl Popper, that Popper was an agnostic Jew.

"Falsifiability is the particular and in its contemporary formulation has yet to falsify itself OR does not want to examine itself".

The conclusion thus: "Falsifiability can only comprehend God the Holy Spirit by phenomenologically examining itself. Falsifiability in its contemporary formulation has yet to falsify itself and phenomenologically examine itself to comprehend God the Holy Spirit. OR Falsifiability is the particular and does not want to comprehend God the Holy Spirit by phenomenologically examining itself".

PS American Christianity is too paterological. It is not pneumatological enough.

[Anonymous No.19051205]

>>19051067
this doesn't really seem to make an argument for the holy spirit it just attempts to limit the domain of falsifiability so it can't be used against the holy spirit. also can you define what the holy spirit is from your perspective because I may or may not believe in it.

[Holy-Spirit-Worshiping Alice-R(...) !!pm4Oxc+6gxa No.19051260]

>>19051205
You read Marx or Lenin?

[Anonymous No.19051270]

>>19051260
what, no.

[Holy-Spirit-Worshiping Alice-R(...) !!pm4Oxc+6gxa No.19051309]

>>19051270
That would be a shame, because Marxism-Leninism in all its destructiveness was a Materialization of the Holy Spirit. Inductively, it is a point for God the Holy Spirit.

>>19051205
Subjectively, the Holy Spirit is the thinking, reasoning sum. Objectively, we would need phenomenology. But I maintain that falsifiability is encompassed by the Holy Spirit.

[Anonymous No.19051330]

>>19051067
I'm going to Alice.

[Anonymous No.19051638]

>>19051067
Yeah but if you want to actually prove that something analagous to "the Holy Spirit" even exists instead of just asserting it you need to read the CTMU. A truly rational approach to theology is what is required at this moment in time; and what that means is rational explication of the higher-order cognitive meta-language we use to interpret and identify both the religious and scientific/subjective and objective parts of reality. (Theo)logically this ultimately leads to a form of pantheism/panpsychism and if you can't accept this I'm sorry.

http://ctmucommunity.org/wiki/Common_CTMU_objections_and_replies#There_is_no_empirical_evidence_for_God.2C_so_there_is_no_reason_to_believe_one_exists..

[Anonymous No.19051646]

>>19051067
Remember to all refuting.

To insult Him the Son of Man is allowed, but to insult Him the Holly Spirit is to burn forever in flames.

[Holy-Spirit-Worshiping Alice-R(...) !!pm4Oxc+6gxa No.19053427]

>>19051205
Where are the weaknesses within the premises?