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19047213 No.19047213 [Reply] [Original]

Why were philosophers and writers of the past so mean about women?

>> No.19047222

>>19047213
At their time women didn't have any means to show their talent because of patriarchy.

>> No.19047311

>>19047222
Glad that changed, how would humanity survive without ehhhhhhhhhhh....Harry Potter?

>> No.19047321

>>19047311
Ada Lovelace.

>> No.19047328

>>19047222
what about before that time?
like when MAN first evolved?
was the patriarchy an always existent presence then?
if it wasn't then why didn't woMEN show their talent since the dawn of MAN?
if it was then I dare say it is natural and perfect

>> No.19047343

>>19047321
And black women landed a man on the moon
And Shakespeare was actually a FTM trans
And Marie Curie did all the work while her hubby drank and played videogames
And Jeanne d'Arc led armies into battle
I fucking love science and history

>> No.19047350

>>19047213
because they ended up surviving, and the ones that let women take on these roles to show their "talent" all fell apart under the weight of supporting them and their incompetence.

>>19047222
nice trips. women even today as they're unfairly supported and lauded seem to be trying their best to fail. it seems retarded at this point to even consider the patriarchy as ever having been anything but pure bullshit to justify wounded egos of people who fundamentally lacked the competence to be special and wanted an excuse for it, so they may feel less small and use it as a cudgel on those who do good for others.

>> No.19047352

frankenstein is probably the only good book a woman has written

>> No.19047354

>>19047343
You should, it might grease a screw or two in there.

>> No.19047358

Fuck philosophers, I want to know the factual number of female plumbers on the planet

>> No.19047360

Try that shit now and you'll get pegged. Be careful misogynybros.

>> No.19047367

>>19047360
>Try that shit now and you'll get pegged
I'd love for a woman to rape me, but they have neither the strength nor bravery to do so, and I'm a slut for both of these things.

The tragedy of womanhood is their inherent physical weakness, when strength is the ultimate expression of beauty.

>> No.19047375

>>19047367
Logic of a nigger

>> No.19047379

>>19047367
>neither the strength nor bravery
True, they always trick you into pegging somehow. It ain't safe out there for misogynybros.

>> No.19047380

>>19047360
men need to be pegged

>> No.19047403

>>19047375
You can cope all you want, but weakness is very ugly. Who will write poems about the mythical tales of women wrestling and defeating horrible beasts? Who will write of their strife and triumph through life-threatening ordeals against armies and horrible kings? Who will sing of their might that put rivals to shame and made them an idol to follow? No one. No one will, not even women. Women have naturally taken place as the lessers due to their natural lack of bodily strength and vitality. Women are desired and coveted, but never admired. Heroism is the domain of men.

>> No.19047413

>>19047403
Do not reply to me anymore, for I have no concern for the negroid mind

>> No.19047417

>>19047380
Absolutely not. A manly misogynist such as myself would have to admit defeat if a woman pegged me and made me hers.

>> No.19047431

>>19047417
The greatest demotivator in the world of femdom is that the men is never forced against his will, everything happens with his consent. What is the fucking point? I'm only making for myself an illusion of being dominated by a woman, I pay her to do it, and she makes a safe word, notes down my likes and dislikes, prepares a scenario, etc. My fucking god, if a woman were to actually grab me by the neck of the street and make me her bitch, I would swear my life to her. But it will never happen. *sigh*

>> No.19047435

>>19047431
>is that the man*
>in the middle of the street*

>> No.19047481

>>19047352
Wuthering Heights too

>> No.19047669

>>19047403
Literally just read Eurypides, you ignorant pseud

>> No.19047674

>>19047352
Frankenstein is fucking shit.

>>19047481
This is better.

>> No.19047676

>>19047669
Will a woman jump out of the book to kick my ass? No? Then read Gorky.

>> No.19047780

Because they were truth seekers and were not held back by our arbitrary social conventions

>> No.19047803

How can you even get yourself to read non-fiction written by a womam? Every history book ever penned by them is garbage, the same goes for psychology (just look at the disaster that is Marie-Louis Von Franz). They can't write well for the same reason that most of the tripfags are females - they are attention whores who put their ego before their work

>> No.19047808

>>19047352
There are some pretty strong theories Mary came up with the central plot and padding but she didn't write the prose, Percival did.
>married to famous Gothic author
>suddenly publish Gothic book in the exact same style
>written during a party
>writes nothing else, refuses to elaborate

>> No.19047818

>>19047222
holy fucking reddit

>> No.19047827
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19047827

>>19047213
Literacy messes with your mind

>> No.19049362

>>19047213
as a woman I always envied men,
most of my function is designed for reproduction, and my best years are spent by my body being pumped by hormones, which alter my mood, sleep, health, eating, and fitness habits 3/4 of each month. I wish I can be normal like men, that my bodily functions don't alter my abilities and that my mind is in the same state each day.

>> No.19049380

They wrote for other men back in the day. There were no women to chastise them. Ancient banter. Half the women hating stuff wouldn't exist if they had to show it to their own mother.

>> No.19049390

>>19049362
Why? I guess you've been pumped full of ambition by modern society, even though your instincts are screaming at you to settle down and birth some kids.

>> No.19050979

>>19049362
how pathetic do you have to be to larp as a woman?

>> No.19051011

>>19047213
Quite easy. They are mentally and physically inferior which is why the patriarchy existed since the the hunter gatherer period and still going on today in more places untouched by global homo. I suppose with the invention of guns this has level the physical playing field between men and women but those will slowly be stripped from the hands of citizens and monopolized by the government.

>> No.19051082

>>19047222
to be whores on tiktok and onlyfans? Man the ancients really missed out

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>>19047413
why do negroids come to this board when they dont even read?

>> No.19051128

>>19047343
St. Jeanne d'Arc is a saint who saved France, please don't insult her for the sake of your ... what exactly? inability to accept women are capable of doing things too?

>> No.19051325

>>19047367
>>19047360
That's why youre supposed to hide your insults under layers of mental gymnastics. I never get caught lmao

>> No.19051681

>>19051011
Prove it

>> No.19053363

The real question is, why are there no female philosophers? There are plenty of feminist icons in many fields throughout human history, but no philosophers.

>> No.19053591

>>19047375
I kneel.

>> No.19053657

>>19047213
I'm sure that given the chance, most men would prefer to become women. The reproductive hormones make you feel like shit at times. But the actual physical feeling of being a woman is great. It's nice to have tits and an ass. It's nice to have soft skin and wide hips. The clitoris has twice as many nerve endings as the glans penis. I don't think all praise of masculinity is motivated by jealousy but parodic levels of machismo indicate compensation for lack of female attention or traits. Misogyny is a giant cope and you all fell for it

>> No.19053665

>>19053657
Where's the fun or sense of achieving something if everything is handed to you?
I'll pass.

>> No.19053716

>>19053665
Speak for yourself. You stand on the shoulders of greats who built the society and technology you rely upon. Men today are so neutered that they may as well be women

>> No.19053727

>>19053716
>You stand on the shoulders of greats
Ah yes, all men.
So you're implying women are neutered men that don't achieve anything great? I agree.

>> No.19053734

>>19053657
You're thinking from the perspective of a male, judging female experience with a male mind. You think becoming a woman would be nice cause titties booba and easy life, proving once again that transsexualism is just a sexual fetish. You're missing the part where female intellect is entirely different from males, sure women have on average much simpler time existing but it's the sort of strictly materialistic gain traded for by intellectual weakness and emotional lack.

>> No.19053737

>>19047827
>Author of Sex
DAMN

>> No.19053738

any man who sits around and thinks for a living is going to come to the conclusion that women are animals.

>> No.19053774

>>19049362
Being horny is far worse.

>> No.19053777

>>19053738
>he doesn’t fuck dogs

>> No.19053780

>>19051011
Guns are too heavy for women to use them effectively.
Israel training concluded that female's ability to hit a target diminished the more prolonged the conflict was.
Since their gun was too heavy to carry for their shoulders and the recoil hurt them more than the males.

>> No.19053784

Philosophers in the past were not just critical about women but also men, only when you hold a pussy whipped ideology do you think their opinions about women are harsher than men

>> No.19053785

>>19053774
Virgin detected

>> No.19053871

>>19053780
Vietnamese women proving you wrong SKS is the tool don’t make me act the motherfucking fool

>> No.19053899

>>19053784
Holy shit, read a book

>> No.19053922

There was no such thing as International Women's Day or Black History Month so they had no idea what they were saying was wrong.

>> No.19053944

Because woman's main strategy is to deceive and enamour, but philosophers have their apparatus of falsehood diminished or flat out burned, so they see females for who they are, overgrown manipulative children. Only normification and lying to yourself can heal you, but if you have crossed the line there is no turning back in some sense.

>> No.19054001 [DELETED] 

>>19053363
there are no black philosophers for the same reason; it requires extremely high iq to actually break ground in philosophy since you need to think in abstracts, which requires a lot of thought and autism. Women and blacks rarely have this high iq autism

>> No.19054073

>>19053784
t. has only read history from a feminist perspective which always tries to undermine or outright ignore the criticism of women from past thinkers

>> No.19054091

>>19053871
Now strap 40 kg of gear on them and make them fight for a few hours trying to seize a building.
I was expecting someone to post the female kurdish snipers to be honest.

>> No.19054095

>>19054091
>force PLAF light infantry from 1970 to fulfil USMC urban missions from 2015

you’re an officer aren’t you?

>> No.19054295

>>19047321
Of the few women of talent, you decide to pick a meme.

>>19047360
>Try that shit now and you'll get pegged.
If only.

>>19047352
Frankenstein isn't good.
The Interior Castle is. Claudine if you want fiction.

>> No.19054306

>>19047213
>Some of the wisest people to have ever lived think of women as the inferior sex
We may never know.

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>>19047222

>> No.19054387

>>19047213
It is a mistake to see women as worthless because they are physically and mentally inferior in the pursuits of men.

They have value in their proper place it is only when their excesses are uncontrolled and unrestrained and their femininity mutilated that they become repugnant.

>> No.19055068

>>19053727
No, only the last few generations of men since World War 2. The problem is that there's too many people and too few roles for them to fill. I would even venture to say that the advent of social media has killed hero idolization and it's no longer possible for anyone to be great
>>19053734
>judging from the perspective of a male mind
>with female intellect
you know most men I've met are miserable
I am just pointing out the obvious

>> No.19055153

>>19051681
>mental
The Cambridge Handbook of the International Psychology of Women (Cambridge Handbooks in Psychology, pp. 139-152)
We conclude that there are no overall (average) differences between women and men in general intelligence, but there are some large and persistent differences on cognitive abilities that on average favor males (e.g. mathematics, mental rotation, mechanical) or favor females (verbal ability, most tests of memory).

>physical
Look up the controversy of MTF in female sports in the high school/university/professional brackets. Those who were once mediocre male athletes are now breaking female records. Note the mental gymnastics needed to defend MTFs dunking on biological women.

>> No.19055158

>>19047222
Based bait, I could learn a thing or two from you.

>> No.19055173

>>19047827
Butterfly can you go into the thread about Chekhov’s gun and give your opinion?

>> No.19055435

>police not readily available unless in city and slow to respond
>woman cant defend themselves for the most part
>any time a woman in most of history wants to do something they need a man to escort them
>said men get annoyed for having to bear this burden so they shit talk them as useless creatures
>now women can learn self-defense, get weapons, live in places where cops readily appear by dialing a few numbers on a phone
>some women still wont take advantage of these because they want their man to do it

>> No.19056920

>>19055153
But there are no differences in IQ, there are differences in the domains each gender clusters yes. But control for that and there's no difference - I've read a lot of recent studies on that.
As for physical differences, yea they're in your face in all tests, women have persistent weaker upper body strength and grip pressure throughout all age groups compared to males. Women are also having less muscles and more fat.

>> No.19057310

>>19056920
There is no difference in average IQ, but men have a longer bell curve. Women are literally the midwit meme in flesh, men are based retards and geniuses.

>> No.19057617

>>19057310
I believe this is a common myth. Women do have a tighter bell curve for IQ, but men have both a wider distribution and a higher average.
>>19056920
Most recent studies axiomatically assume that women and men's intelligence are the same and will p-hack until they find an effect that "proves" it's due to some random factor. The same people telling you it's due to educational domain selection would tell you it was due to average corn intake or time spent jacking off if it matched up to the data.

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>>19053657
That is possibly the gayest most disgusting thing I've read in months

>> No.19058969

>>19058962
If you use 4chan frequently at all that's a lie

>> No.19058998

>>19047213
Plato wasn't.

>> No.19059903

>start new thread asking a really dumb question
>reply to said thread with a really dumb answer
>instant attention

Women use white matter instead of grey matter to “think” (i.e. women feel, men think). Woman is a different animal to man where man is vastly superior. “Patriarchy” was the best thing to happen to women (look at the progression of women’s “liberation” and women’s happiness. Women now follow women instead of men and for it they’re completely miserable.

>> No.19059933

Lmao at the retards on this board (supposedly the smartest one) who don’t know what children do: that women suck compared to men.

>> No.19059943

>>19057310
That’s only because IQ tests were designed to show these results. Women are far dumber than men, very obviously.

>> No.19059952

easy targets

>> No.19059953

>>19047213
Hold on, is this the quote that supposedly shows Aristotle thought men have more teeth in their mouths? Because to me this reads like it could be an idiom.

>> No.19060568

>>19054316
What is it with phil*sophers and just /saying/ stuff which is usually pulled directly from the anus?

>> No.19060596

because "The Greeks" liked male anus a bit too much

>> No.19060624

>>19059953
Elaborate please.
I laughed out loud when I first heard the teeth thing.
It's something so easily verifiable but so totally within the realm of reality that I wouldnt even bother checking if I was them.

Of course dames have fewer teeth. It allows for their mouths to move at faster speeds while they tell lies.

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>>19047213
>a more important role in reproduction
I'm as sexist as my fellow 4 channel users, but surely women have a more important role in reproduction, no?

>> No.19060817

>>19053657
the absolute state of this retarded autogynephilic tripfag

>> No.19061046

>>19060686
>I'm as sexist as my fellow 4 channel users, but surely women have a more important role in reproduction, no?
Not really.
In animal rearing, you take the best male for X task and breed him with Y number of women.
His genetics will be inherited through all the future male animals and thus he has influenced the evolution of his species much more than women.
He just shaped the entire future stock.
Males in mammals exist to assure the healthy survival of the X or Y species.
Since in males, the best ones get to breed. So they naturally have the most influence to shape their species.
Mostly individually.

>> No.19062134

>Men have a more important role in reproduction
What's the reasoning behind this?

>> No.19062744

>>19062134
Since when have the greeks ever let something as silly as “reasoning” stop them from saying things?

>> No.19062802

>>19062134
IIRC Aristotle said men contribute the form and women the matter. Form > matter so it seems reasonable that men have the more important role. he wasn't talking about child raising or parenting or something

>> No.19062955

>>19062744
cope.

>> No.19063012

>>19047213
>Men have more teeth than women
Why did the Greeks say things that were so obviously wrong? It's not even that hard to count the number of teeth someone has.

>> No.19063219

>>19053734
>You're missing the part where female intellect is entirely different from males
>emotional lack
Explain.

>> No.19063281

>>19047222
isn't the existence of patriarchy throughout history a sign of woman's inferiority?

>> No.19063616

Women are overgrown children that can't function on their own. In the past this wasn't such a big deal because although men would have more expectations placed on them, they still lived in a patriarchal society and could be the undisputed heads of their families, tribes, etc. Nowadays (in the West at least) men have lost all the benefits of living in a patriarchal society, but still have all the extra expectations placed on them.

>> No.19063622

>>19047213
Have you ever dealt with them anon? I mean am I right guys, lol

>> No.19064005

>>19063622
r*ddit tier

>> No.19064162

>>19060624
If I said you had no guts, or your ideas were toothless, you know I'm not speaking literally. Why would Aristotle mean women literally have fewer teeth, when it's such an obvious thing? Isn't it more likely that he was saying something about their mentality, like they have no edge, or they're not as sharp? It's not clear to me that he's referring to literal blood either, or that mutilated, deformed or monstrous refer to the physical body, because those descriptions are interspersed with descriptions of mental attributes like "immature" and "colder in nature."

>> No.19064434

>>19063281
Precisely.

>> No.19064608

>>19047350
>lacked the competence to be special
The issue is clearly that while women can clearly become perfectly competent at many things, it is extremely, extremely rare for any of them to be driven to become genuinely exceptional in anything with prior precedent. Almost all high achieving women are good at things that society has approved as being something that it is respectable to excel at, but women who would be driven to actively break the paradigm they work under to establish something better, even if it costs them status, or to conquer unknown or hostile territory are ridiculously low in number, and so most of the celebrated woman achievers are those who accomplished something after a man already did it and layed the groundwork for others to follow.

There is nothing wrong with this, but expecting otherwise and getting disappointed that things don't work out like that helps nobody.

Still, Amy Beach, Sylvia Plath, Temple Grandin, Barbra Liskov and the like are all fine people.

>> No.19064664

>>19047213
Philosophers are fundamentally estranged from others, romance isn't compatible with philosophy. As Nietzsche said, a married philosopher is an absurdity

>> No.19064867

>>19062134
IIRC he doesn't believe the woman contributes materially to the child - instead she is just a vessel that carries the man's seed. Aristotle was clearly an intelligent guy, how he thought such things is a headscratcher for me. We're all subject to our own time and place, I suppose.

>> No.19064887

>>19064867
Back in the day they didn't understand biology or know that the woman carried eggs. They likened the sperm to a seed, the woman was just the dirt it was planted in

>> No.19064915

>>19047481
How is it good?

>> No.19065020

>>19047222
If women are so strong and useful, why didn't they just withhold pussy?

>> No.19066140

>>19047352
>frankenstein is probably the only good book a woman has written
The only good part of Frankenstein is the Romantic Period opening section.
The rest of the novel reads like it was written by a woman who couldn’t coherently explain the philosophy and science behind the plot, so she blabbers on ad nauseam.

Better women writers seem to usually be British mystery writers.

>> No.19066174

>>19054091
>Now strap 40 kg of gear on them and make them fight for a few hours trying to seize a building.
>I was expecting someone to post the female kurdish snipers to be honest.
I think /k/ found research that showed Sniping was one of the only areas were woman were as good or possibly better than men as soldiers.

>> No.19066214

>>19064887
Based farmers.

>> No.19066406

>>19065020
Because they lived in a pre modern society that didn't consider them to be fully people and the men would have just raped them anyway

>> No.19066477

Seems like a good thread for someone to convince me to not be a sexist but 99% of women I've met have been vapid and annoying with nothing redeemable beyond their bodies. Like obviously there are exceptions but we're talking in general. Rarely rarely rarely have I met a woman that I wanted to spend time. That copypasta of women living life through the lens of Instagram is true.

>> No.19066621

>>19066477
The fucked part is 99% of women know this and act like this. If you saw how much time and anxiety the average women puts into her looks you wouldn't hate them but feel incredibly sad for their situation.

>> No.19066646

>>19066621
I wonder how much of it is just because of the first world and how much is biological. What are women like in India, Russia, Syria etc?

>> No.19067404

>>19066477
Can someone post the copypasta

>> No.19067431

>>19053657
Women are the ones transitioning to "men" way more than vice versa, really gets the old noggin' a joggin'

>> No.19068266

>>19053785
Not him, but I have a gf, and I hate how "predatory" I feel sometimes when I'm horny and how different I feel afterwards. She likes it but the juxtaposition still messes with me a lot. With her is kinda comfy, because I go from predatory to just wanting to protect her after we do it, but fuck, fapping just feels awful because of that shit.

Just feels like I'm being mind controlled, to be fair, which hey, in a way I am, I guess.

>> No.19068374

>>19067431
Yeah and they also have a way higher rate of detransitioning