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Most women are so artificial that they have no sense of Art. Most men are so natural that they have no sense of Beauty.

>> No.19039087
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>>19038585
From Dorian Gray a few saws that stuck
>...one should never put one's worship into words.
>Shallow sorrows and shallow loves live on. The loves and sorrows that are great are destroyed by their own plenitude.
[And one near the beginning:]
>Intellect is itself a mode of exageration, and destroys the harmony of any face.

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i liked dorien gray , is there anything else by him you guys would recommend?

>> No.19039133

>>19038585
A real mediocrity as a writer, revered for being gay.

>> No.19039147

>>19039123
The Decay of Lying, it's a familiar essay of about 30 pages
His fairy tales are wonderful as well

>> No.19039148

>>19039123
Yes, Dorian Gray.

>> No.19039157

>>19039133
>Intellect is itself a mode of exageration, and destroys the harmony of any face.

>> No.19039190

>>19039157
I am not impressed by this kind of platitude which was ubiquitous at the time.

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>>19039147
thanks

>> No.19039208

>>19039190
Um, I did it as a joke, anon. (It's quoted above). But if it's a platitude than the idea's everywhere: where else have you witnessed this particular sentiment?

>> No.19039245

>>19039208
The idea that intellect looks odd in the face is one that children are familiar with. It's an old stereotype.

>> No.19040202

>>19039157
well now Im perplexed, because he is quite the ugly fellow.

>> No.19040272

Most "Great Men of HIstory" quotes are empty verbalisms

>> No.19040367

>>19039245
3.5/10 b8

>> No.19040374

>>19040272
Cite a few for keks

>> No.19041618

>>19039133
filtered

>> No.19041788

>>19039123
Seconding this. I find Wilde's writing absolutely beautiful; already read everything from him and now want an author of similar style. Does /lit/ know any?

>> No.19041893

>>19039133
it had its moments, but his prose is mediocre and he comes out as a pseud
the chapter with the 50 pages of gem and garment descriptions was abysmal

>> No.19041905

>>19038585
Why are gay men so based? It feels like they're the only ones who understand both men and women.

>> No.19041928

>>19038585
>Most women are so artificial that they have no sense of Art. Most men are so natural that they have no sense of Beauty.
The West was lost the second it couldn't stop trying to shoehorn the world into false dichotomies.

>> No.19041944

>>19041928
Wilde cared less about the truth of his statements than their aesthetic. They are supposed to be contemplated, not necessarily believed.

>> No.19041995

>>19041944
Stupidest thing I've read all day. Critical theorists would have loved to have a statement that retarded to their name.

>> No.19042007

>>19041995
If you don't get it you should give up on literature as an art form and stick to technical writing.

>> No.19042015

>>19038585
Dorian Gray more like Dorian Gay

>> No.19042020

>>19042007
The idea that he thought that statements such as that could form any praxis is ludicrous. Failing that then, there is no point in his statement but poeticisms, turning politics into poetry. Why? So he could ride the coat-tails of the then pressing issue. It's cowardice, stupidity and crowd pleasing.

>> No.19042059

>>19042020
Funny that you'd call it crowd pleasing when Droain Gray was extremely controversial on release. The sentences deal with politics, gender, morality and other sensitive topics since they are supposed to be provocative. Except Wilde considered art first and foremost a tool to express beauty; he wouldn't write without thinking it had a contemplative appeal. Hence why you parallel it to poetry; poetry is about the mood and beauty it evokes rather than truth statements.

>> No.19042089

>>19042059
If you're not making truth statements about politics, the 20th century version with all the horrible butchery mind you, then you are doing it to crowd please.

>it was meant to be provocative
Exactly, you're proving my point. He was currying controversy—popularity—first and foremost beyond anything else. This is fine of itself, though not something I applaud, but for the fact that, A. He was so terribly insufferable about it, and B. That he was a monstrous idiot who's political 'ideas' (they do not deserve the credit to be named such) were idiotic.

Plus I'm butt-hurt that he's the vanguard of fags and gets a black-cheque in such a regard despite going well beyond mundane faggotry all the way down to molesting boy-Mohammedans.

>> No.19042199

>>19042089
He was a massive attention whore at heart, so you're not wrong he was seeking, partly, to be outrageous with his text. Regardless, Wilde's approach to art and lyrical ability makes so that the outrage is expressed in a form that's appealing to read.

>Plus I'm butt-hurt that he's the vanguard of fags and gets a black-cheque
If it's worth anything to you he regretted a lot while in prison, particularly his hedonistic way of life, and was seeing more value in Christianity and tradition. Dorian Gray itself has an anti-hedonistic theme.
I don't really endorse faggotry or a lot of what he did, but nonetheless think his writing is good and his life interesting.

>> No.19043333

>>19042089
>If you're not making truth statements about politics
Stopped reading there

>> No.19043341

>>19042199
Elllmann's biography's wonderful