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>humanity still hasn’t figured out how consciousness works
just hit us with a meteorite

>> No.19032955

1. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS: «HUMANITY».

2. CONSCIOUSNESS IS THE FACULTY THAT DERIVES FROM THE POTENCY OF SAPIENCE; IT WORKS BY COGITATION OF SENSIBLE, INTELLIGIBLE, AND AFFECTIVE, STIMVLI; IT IS THE DISCURSIVE AGENCY OF THE MIND.

>> No.19033090

>>19032927
More than half of humanity still believes in semitic desert tales, and the other half is busy exploring the depths of sexual degeneracy and accomodating brown proto-humans, I'd imagine it's a pretty serious impediment to progress

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>More than half of humanity still believes in semitic desert tales, and the other half is busy exploring the depths of sexual degeneracy and accomodating brown proto-humans, I'd imagine it's a pretty serious impediment to progress

>> No.19033108

>>19033090
As true as this is, you only need a handful of geniuses to vastly accelerate progress, as seen in the enlightenment when the peasantry couldn’t even read or write

>> No.19033146

>>19033090
The desert tales are about understanding consciousness and how it relates to human created societies. Most people do not see the connection because they are not religious scholars.

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>>19032955

>> No.19033291

>>19033146
>my hecking jew talmud expert told me so
Embarassing

>> No.19033302

>>19033108
>believing in human linear progress
Deluded. The enlightenment accelerated human rationality, which will be our undoing.

>> No.19033309

>>19033146
You sound like a 20 year old "muh ockultism and spirituality" faggot. Back to /x/ with you

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>>19032927
>>humanity still hasn’t figured out how consciousness wor-

>> No.19033999

>>19032955
>CONSCIOUSNESS IS THE FACULTY THAT DERIVES FROM THE POTENCY OF SAPIENCE; IT WORKS BY COGITATION OF SENSIBLE, INTELLIGIBLE, AND AFFECTIVE, STIMVLI; IT IS THE DISCURSIVE AGENCY OF THE MIND
you literally said nothing that in any way even begins to explain consciousness, god I hate you you are genuinely one of the worst people on this board

>> No.19034109

>>19032927
Idealism just takes consciousness as the fundamental part of reality, and so there's no possibility of explanation there.
Materialism is a giant epistemological failure.

>> No.19034138

and it's a good thing too. fucks with weird plans to capitalize on what would surely be a rich market for mind control
>not like we don't have this already. it's called consumerism
well yes that's true

>> No.19034167

>>19033999
Despite strong numbers I confess Kevin doesn't really bother me. He's just part of the landskip now, keeps true to himself, and at least provokes a little thought. Would miss him were he to up and disappear

>> No.19034385

>>19032955
>POTENCY OF SAPIENCE
have your (You) retard, now that you have your fix kindly disappear for the rest of the week

>> No.19034471

>>19033146
Don't listen to the dogmatists, you are right. We are literally living in a Tower of Babel world and people are too stupid to realize it.

>>19034109
Yes, that's why you need to embrace neoplatonism

>> No.19034531

>>19034471
>>19034109
>idealism is true... cause it just is okay?

>> No.19034550

>>19034531
You either fucked up your (you)'s or you are legitimately dyslexic

>> No.19034558

>>19032927
“ The object is phenomenal and has no substance in itself; the subject is noumenal, and hence its own substance and the substance of the object as well” This is where a lot of the issues come from.

>> No.19034569

>>19034531
Based retard

>> No.19034573

>>19034558
The phenomenal/noumenal distinction is implicitly dualist

>> No.19034578

>>19032927
I know how it works.

>> No.19034592

>>19032927
Anyone who falls behind computationalist functionalism is an idiot. Joscha Bach is the man.

>> No.19034676

>>19032955
What a bunch of fucking gobbledegook shit you posted.

>> No.19034737
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Consciousness is absolutely nothing. Its just a void for an object to occupy. Consciousness is always consciousness of an object, and that object gives to consciousness its entire being and essence. What is "consciousness of a pain" other than a pain? What is "consciousness of a sight" other than that sight?

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>>19032927
We are what, less than 600 generations since the earliest start of civilization (and about 200 from the real start, desu)?
Is it really that surprising we haven't figured the hardest parts yet?

>> No.19034865

>>19034573
Yes. Though if you don’t accept some form of dualism, I don’t see any real options left but panpsychism, which I don’t find very sensible, as to me consciousness seems to need very specific donations and a very high degree of complexity to exist, as shown by how easily consciousness can be stopped (eg. death, sleep, drugs, fainting) and how complex of a biological structure a zygote has to develop into in order to be an organism with consciousness. Though I would be interested if you have an alternative perspective on this.

>> No.19034873

>>19034865
*conditions
not donations

>> No.19034964

>>19034737
It's possible to be conscious during dreamless sleep if you're skilled enough in certain meditation techniques. In these instances there are no objects to be aware of. Nothing except awareness being aware of itself..

>> No.19035069

>>19034865
Once you admit the independent existence of the mind, I don't see a reason to continue to posit the physical world which is now extraneous. All 'physical' laws can be satisfactorily explained as the result of forced Intelligibility.

>> No.19035092

>>19034964
What does this "consciousness" consist of? What sensation is felt? If no sensation is felt, why isn't it the same as unconsciousness?

>> No.19035160

At least you’re being ironic unintentionally.

>> No.19035183

>>19032927
consciousness is just sense mixed with thought. the only reason consciousness seems complex is that it is self-feeding.