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>epic poem
>it doesn't even rhyme
???

>> No.19029846

>>19029841
The Pope translation is what you're looking for

>> No.19029862

>>19029841
Didn’t the original Greek have a lot of assonance and alliteration, like internal rhymes of the sound word structures? Rhyming at the end of lines isn’t that universal, anon.

>> No.19029889

>>19029862
Greek poetry is structured by patterns of long and short vowels. English poetry is structured by patterns of stress. Rhyme is superfluous and wasn't introduced into European poetry until it was taken from the Arabs in medieval Sicily and southern France.

>> No.19029902

>>19029889
>Rhyme is superfluous and wasn't introduced into European poetry until it was taken from the Arabs in medieval Sicily and southern France.
But there was still assonance and alliteration in Greek poetry, no? You’ve just stepped around my point quite dismissively.

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>>19029841
>[R]hyme [is] no necessary adjunct or true ornament of poem or good verse, in longer works especially, but the invention of a barbarous age, to set off wretched matter and lame meter; graced indeed since by the use of some famous modern poets, carried away by custom, but much to their own vexation, hindrance, and constraint, to express many things otherwise, and for the most part worse, than else they would have expressed them.

>> No.19029913

>>19029902
>But there was still assonance and alliteration in Greek poetry, no? You’ve just stepped around my point quite dismissively.
I was agreeing and adding to it.

>> No.19029923

>>19029913
>I was agreeing and adding to it.
Alright. My bad. I found this if you’re interested.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/263057

>> No.19031082

>>19029862
They didn't use rhymes, either internal or end-rhymes. There was alliteration, but it wasn't used consistently as it was in e.g. Beowulf, in Homer it was only an occasional addition on top of the verse.

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>>19029846

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>>/lit/thread/S19005240#p19005905

>A POEM HAS THREE ELEMENTS: (I) METRE, (II) RHYME, (III) PROSODY; METRE IS THE ONLY INDISPENSABLE ONE

>> No.19031228

>>19029841
>epic poem
>it's not even epic

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>>19031082
See link >>19029923

>> No.19032086

>it doesn't even rhyme
It has winged words what more do you want